DAT-Heads Digest #101
Contents:
D>A Etiquette Questions ("John Blackmore")
need clone of Phil Lesh and Friends (Barryblade)
Nak 300 batteries (Wagner One)
Re: Allman Brothers 3/6 (AGerst1574)
Whoops - I didn't send my final version (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
multiple miking technique (SCOTT JAMES ROBERT)
Re: **ATTN SxSW** (Chris Trumbore)
Re: Peter Min and SxSW rules (Chris Trumbore)
Ticketmaster (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
Wanted live DAT's of Katrina & the Waves/ Hall & Oates ("mzclaw@primenet.com")
Re: HOB Taping ("Charles M. Quinn")
SxSW and some interesting opinions (wallyski@texas.net)
Where to service SV-3700? (Deadveg)
New CDR870 deck from philips (rick s)
**ATTN SxSW** (Jim Amentler)
The Fall are coming (Jack DeGuiseppi)
Dave Matthews Band (Paul K Colomb)
Matchbox 20 allow taping?? (BassFeed)
Studebaker John & The Hawks Taping? (MR JEFF S MORROW)
RE:DAT decision (Eric Reichenbach)
Need recommendation for analog recorder(no dat content) ("Mark Ruenes")
From: "John Blackmore" <blackmor@iconn.net>
Subject: D>A Etiquette Questions
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:34:12 -0500
Soon after introducing myself to DAT, I made a massive D>A offer. Now that
I'm in the middle of it, I'm finding that on occasion I zone out/get
preoccupied and miss the analog flip, so the last song on the side is cut
off. I include the entire song on the next side, but how does one handle
this? I've just been leaving a note like "sorry I f'ed up the flip - it's
around 38:35", or something like that. I can't imagine anyone generous
enough to start over, and I refuse to believe this doesn't happen to anyone
else! Is a note even necessary?
Another related question - does it make sense for a lowly unidecker to start
an analog tree (or vine/weed/whatever-the-hell-all-this-crap-is)? I got too
too many responses this time, and I hate turning lots of eager fans down.
Just wondering what some opinions are.
--
John Blackmore
blackmor@iconn.net
P.S. - Outlook 98 is giving me an extraordinary amount of grief, so if this
gets posted 6 times, I truly am sorry.
From: Barryblade <Barryblade@aol.com>
Subject: need clone of Phil Lesh and Friends
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:44:36 EST
at the Fillmore from last weekend. Tons to trade. Email for list.
From: Wagner One <wagner@teamschoeps.org>
Subject: Nak 300 batteries
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:56:14 -0500
I have some information concerning Nak 300 batteries on my site:
http://www.enteract.com/~wagner/dat/portable_power/
On 07/25/18 12:00 AM, Jeff Bowen wrote:
>BTW. Where can I find some replacement 9.8
>volt batteries for the CM-300s? I was told a round nine volt carbon
>battery will work but it is a snug fit. Anyone have any better
>suggestions?
--
Mike Wagner - wagner@teamschoeps.org
A bad Dead show is better than a good day at work...
From: AGerst1574 <AGerst1574@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Allman Brothers 3/6
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:08:34 EST
Ouch, my D-3 is on its way to Pro-Digital to be cleaned and I am unable to
tape the Allmans on 3/6 at the Beacon. If anyone has this and would like to
trade, please get back to me.
Adam
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Whoops - I didn't send my final version
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:42:50 -0800
I just realized that I sent the draft before my final version.
"(more of a glaze due to heating effects and the materials
involved and heating effects)"
should have read "(more of a glaze due to heating effects and the
materials
involved)"
I will compare what I sent to my finalized paper hard copy and if anything
is significantly different (the above is not significant but it did make me
realize I didn't send my final version) I will let you know. Thank you for
allowing the bandwidth for that. I really appreciate it and hope that by
reading it some of you will have more of an open mind. I seem to be in the
minority here (materials/mechanical backround) while most of you appear to
be EE/computer people.
peace,
Pete
From: SCOTT JAMES ROBERT <jscott@ucsub.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: multiple miking technique
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:57:06 -0700 (MST)
Provided my relative inexperience, I thought perhaps someone could offer
some insight on multi-track room recording. I am recording various
arrangements of musicians for a film soundtrack. Time sync is not an
issue as various passages of music will simply be matched up by ear, later
on and in a city far, far away. I'm simply laying down the tracks, not
being involved in the mix-down. I have at my disposal a DA-88, a Grace
8-channel pre-amp, plenty of Audio Magic cable, and pairs of Geffel
omni's, AKG 480 ck61's and 63's, the Schoeps VMS system with an 8 and a 21
(sub-card setup), and possibly a pair of U-87's for vocals. Regardless,
all recording will occur in the Boulder, Co Contemporary Art
Museum's upstairs loft, a "live" sounding room (wood) that is roughly
rectangular in shape. I would like to use both near-field and back-of
the-room miking for mostly acoustic-ish music. Questions I have are: What
mics would be best suited for where? Will I have problems with time
alignment and phase? How does spaced omni's hung about 5 feet out and the
VMS at the back of the room sound for most jazz trio and quartet stuff?
What about when I have to do percussion groups? Should I be entering the
DA-88 at +4 or -10? It's my understanding the DA-88 requires different
cables (non-XLR) to run in at +4. I am by no means a studio engineer,
just a taper who's trying to help a friend out. Any comments, possible
problems I might run into, or simple advice would be welcome either posted
in the group or as e-mail direct to me. Thanks guys.
James Scott Jr.
(can't wait to see the rest of the front row crew in Nassau and Prov!!)
From: Chris Trumbore <cdt@op.net>
Subject: Re: **ATTN SxSW**
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 17:13:34 -0500
Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com> wrote:
>>If anyone is caught
>>taping at any of our venues, all DATs and tapes including
"blanks" will
>>be confiscated and the taper will be ejected.
>
>"Confiscation" of another's property without due process of law is
>considered Grand Larceny.
Let's not forget that most people won't willingly hand over their
property to a thief, and once these criminals threaten anyone with
bodily injury, they've moved up to the category of "robbery" (a
second degree felony in Texas). Moreover, if the value of the
property stolen is greater than $1500, like many taping rigs, the
theft will automatically be a "state jail felony" under Texas law,
regardless of whether or not a threat is used. Finally, if, as
Wally alleges, staff members have already decided that taping
equipment will be "confiscated", they've committed criminal
conspiracy pursuant to section 15.02 of the Texas penal code,
"criminal conspiracy".
Interested tapers should look at a few other sections of the Texas
penal code: section 29.02 "robbery", section 31.03, "theft", and
31.08, "value" (i.e., assessing value to stolen property)
--
Chris Trumbore
cdt@op.net
From: Chris Trumbore <cdt@op.net>
Subject: Re: Peter Min and SxSW rules
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 17:23:56 -0500
wallyski@texas.net wrote:
>Its funny that Peter has acted so maturely when responding to the
rules
>that SxSW and the venues/artists have set up this year regarding
>recording.
Unfortunately, what you, the SxSW, and these venues/artists don't
seem to realize is that private citizens can't set up "rules" which
violate the rules of the state of Texas (these are often called
"laws"). They are a higher authority, you know.
>Sorry, but I dont write the rules, I was merely pointing them out and
>warning people of the consequences if they are caught taping without
>permission.
What you "pointed out" is something called a "crime". In a
previous post I've quoted the specific sections of the Texas penal
law which you and your little friends have already violated, and
will violate if they proceed in the comission of the crimes which
you alleged on the DAT-heads mailing list.
>Ya know, only the band owns the copyrights
>to the music, and if they dont want you to tape, then TOUGH.
suffer the
>consequences as I did at Jazz Fest 96 when my equipment was thrown
onto
>the ground and my tapes were snapped right in my face as I was
booted.
No, the rest of us inform the police when we are the victims of a
crime. We don't "suffer the consequences."
--
Chris Trumbore
cdt@op.net
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Ticketmaster
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:52:44 -0800
"Such monopolizing reminds me of Ticketmaster."
Hey has anyone seen Ticketmaster's new ad campaign?
"Ticketmaster
Coming Soon To a Venue Near You
Why Change?"
I'm not gonna comment (do you think I could go off on them?) but will say
that I am still trying (after *MUCH* time and effort) to get back $20 for
when I purchased 4 tickets ($10 plus their ridiculous charges) only to get
to the venue and told that myself and 3 friends from work would have to pay
$5 more to get in since ticketmaster made a mistake. If it was $15 I
*would*not* have bought the tickets. Not only that but the tickets said 8
pm and the show went on just before midnight (and I wouldn't have bought
them had I known this). I seriously *wish* I would have recorded all the
conversations I had with them. If so I'd make an MPEG3 and post it to the
web. It would be the biggest crock of shit (you'd be laughing your asses
off!!) anyone has ever heard (unless you've had similar experiences with
them). Seriously. And I write this months after "cooling down". You
should have seen me during the weeks right after it when I was trying to
remedy the situation. I called *numerous* times, went back to the outlet
where I got them, spent hours on hold(this is not an exageration and yes I
know I'm crazy for doing so, but I'm a person of principle and wanted to
see if it *actually*was* possible to solve this issue with them), got
numerous beat around the bush stories(oh I don't have authority, you'll
have to call back when/blah blah blah). Heck I'm still waiting for 2 of
them to call me back. I gave them all the info they needed. They said
they would solve the problem. I seriously give up. For crying out loud
they couldn't even find the show in their computer system unless they had
some bullshit code number. Not to mention my phone bills for the hours on
hold. Or my time.
Sincerely Peter Min (knowing them, I'm probably cut off from tickets now)
From: "mzclaw@primenet.com" <mzclaw@primenet.com>
Subject: Wanted live DAT's of Katrina & the Waves/ Hall & Oates
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 17:11:25 -0700
Does anyone have any live DAT's of the band Katrina & the Waves.
They have been playing throughout the UK and Europe.
I'm also looking for live DAT's of Hall & Oates, especially from their tour
in 1997.
Thanks Much, Mark
From: "Charles M. Quinn" <cmquinn@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: HOB Taping
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 17:15:19
>From: bwise@edc.org (bwise)
>Subject: Re: HOB Taping
>Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:50:48 -0500
>
>>Some asked about the House Of Blues and their taping policy. Lets get a
>>little activist.
>>
>>/s/
>>Charles
>
>I'm a little confused about this. I went to the HOB in Cambridge, MA last
night to see Jefferson Starship and met a DAT taper there. The HOB had a
pair of quite nice looking mics set up hanging from the roof of the hall,
wired to the soundboard area. The taper had been allowed to patch into the
feed from these mics and the soundboard guy was watching over his deck to
make sure it wasn't stolen while the taper went up front to enjoy the show.
I suppose they could have given the taper a soundboard feed, but barring
that it seems like a pretty friendly arrangement, and perhaps even a good
compromise to avoid micstands obstructing people's view. I was also
convinced that I could have easily stealthed the show if I had wanted to.
>
>Cheers,
>Bart Wise
That has not been the experience at the Los Angeles HOB. Did you talk to
that taper, was he with the band?
At the LA HOB they wanted the one of the road crew for Zero to bust someguy
holding up a pair of mics. Someone in the audience with a Zero backstage
pass told the security guy that he was with the band and it was okay that
the guy could tape.
The Zero guy told me at the Ventura show that the HOB has a standard thing
in their contract with the artist that no taping will be allowed except for
what the HOB gets. That way they can have exclusive rights to show it.
I know people who refuse to go to the HOB because of this taping policy.
Charles
From: wallyski@texas.net
Subject: SxSW and some interesting opinions
Reply-To: wallyski@texas.net
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 19:58:38 -0600
Well, its really simple. We have secured rights at Emo's, Electric
Lounge, La Zona Rosa, Stubbs, and 4 or 5 others. I will post them as
soon as my boss gives me the full list.
The point is, tot hose of you who have never experienced SxSW, its
crowded and things change on the hour, every hour. Its not convenient
at all to have people show up every hour to try to get a ptch. Not gonna
happen.
As far as the confiscation of tapes is concerned, we will fully
reimburse anyone for the cost of the blanks, if it even happens. The
simple fact is that if the band only wants us to have the DAT for
internet broadcast, then thats the way its going to be. Im tired of
hearing groaning from some of the "dat-heads" on this list. If you want
to get technical, we can. Many of the "dat-heads" break the law often.
Bootlegging for profit can arise from the aquisition of live recordings
that are not supposed to be in circulation. Thats why we have secured
the rights as we have.
Note- we do not have rights to any band that did not give us permission
to be the sole holders (with the exception of the band) of their music.
If anyone has a problem with any of this, i apologize. Thats the way
things are being run this year.
Any questions, please feel free to email me.
Again, i reiterate that the BAND/ARTIST controls the music. If you have
permission, we can work out a system of patches. no problem
However, without permission, tough luck if a bouncer bears down on you.
Thanks for the bandwidth, and I do hope to see many of you at the
festival.
Wally
From: Deadveg <Deadveg@aol.com>
Subject: Where to service SV-3700?
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:17:41 EST
Just looking for suggestions on where to have my deck serviced (new heads, set
to spec's, etc). Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,......Mike
From: rick s <synco303@gulf.net>
Subject: New CDR870 deck from philips
Reply-To: synco303@gulf.net
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 22:08:39 +0000
I just saw in a catalogue a new cdr deck from philips. does anybody know
anything about this unit. Is it reliable. Does it need special cd blank
disks like the pioneer units? It was selling for 599.99. It also records on
rewriteable disks but cna not record computer data.
if any one had any info on this unit please reply
Thanks!
Rick
From: Jim Amentler <jimbo@jimamentler.com>
Subject: **ATTN SxSW**
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 18:50:36 -0800
>From: wallyski@texas.net
>Subject: **ATTN SxSW**
>Reply-To: wallyski@texas.net
>Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 14:49:11 -0600
>
>hello. my company has obtained recording rights for much of the SxSW
>festival, so if you are planning on taping, you MUST clear it through us
>(Monsterbit Media) before attempting to record. If anyone is caught
>taping at any of our venues, all DATs and tapes including "blanks" will
>be confiscated and the taper will be ejected. We have the rights
>because we are going to broadcast the shows on the internet.
>
Interesting. Sounds like Wally Skinner is setting himself up for criminal
theft charges. A buddy of mine is a City Attorney in Texas. According to
him, if they take your equipment or tapes, that is called theft. They do
have the right to eject you from the venue, but not to take your equipment.
Jim
From: Jack DeGuiseppi <jackd@aa.net>
Subject: The Fall are coming
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:57:50 -0800 (PST)
Hi,
The Fall are doing a brief tour of the NYC area. I would do many things
for a crisp DAT of any or all of these shows.
3/28 Connecticut date to be confirmed
3/30 Coney Island High, NYC
3/31 Coney Island High, NYC
4/3 Middle East, Boston
4/4 Trocadero, Phila.
4/5 Black Cat, WDC
4/7 Brownie's, NYC
4/8 Brownie's, NYC
thanks,
jack in Seattle (about as far from the East coast as possible)
From: bluewaterbaboonfarm@juno.com (Paul K Colomb)
Subject: Dave Matthews Band
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:10:27 -0600
Will anyoneplanning to attend Dave Matthews Band shows in either Canada
or the US PLEASE contact me
Also if you are planning on attending New Orleans Jazzfest please contact
me
Thanks alot
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From: BassFeed <BassFeed@aol.com>
Subject: Matchbox 20 allow taping??
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:32:03 EST
Does anyone know what matchbox 20's taping policy is.
From: CDWD82A@prodigy.com (MR JEFF S MORROW)
Subject: Studebaker John & The Hawks Taping?
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:41:30, -0500
Sorry for the intrusion... Just picked up my tickets to see blues
guitarist, harp player Studebaker John Grimaldi. I would appreciate
if anyone could advise me as to his
taping policy. He plays quite a bit in Europe so I'm sure he fears
the "spaghetti boots" and doesn't allow taping but I thought I'd give
it a try. Thanks....
Jeff
Chris Duarte Video Trade List....
http://www.geocities.com/~bluesarchive/trade.html
From: HALFSTEP@webtv.net (Eric Reichenbach)
Subject: RE:DAT decision
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:07:27 -0500
Not that this will make a huge difference in your decision, but I do
believe the PCM-R300 has 3 motors, not 2.
From: "Mark Ruenes" <thrak@flex.net>
Subject: Need recommendation for analog recorder(no dat content)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:45:25 -0600
I know many of you run analog recorders off your dat recorder at the
concert. I am looking into doing the same thing, so I can give a copy to
the band after each show. I just wanted to know if there is an online
company that sells good analog recorders($100-400), and if one type is
better than the other. Please let me know by email.
Thanks,
Mark
<DAT Taper/Trader>
Looking for:Sister 7, moe., Dream Theater, King Crimson, and Phish
Check my webpage for a list of tapes:
http://www.flex.net/~thrak
The 7th plane: a tribute page to Sister 7, check it out
http://www.flex.net/~thrak/7thplane
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