DAT-Heads Digest #104
Contents:
Portable CD players with digital outs? ("Clint Spaar")
Analog>R300>CDR? ("Clint Spaar")
Tori Amos taping policy? ("David D. Rogers")
ISO: Cheri Knight/Blood Oranges (ASAMEL)
ISO: CT Unideckers & Re: D>A Etiquette ("John Blackmore")
portable Headphone amp (Daniel Mahoney)
subscribe (david short)
new order b&p offer (Rahul Krishnaswamy)
Re: D>A Etiquette Questions (Mike Lieman)
Re: Need recommendation for analog recorder(little dat (Mike Lieman)
oh my ! (EByron)
Re: D>A Etiquette Questions ("Jack R. Lebowitz")
ISO Rolling Stones Club Shows & Madison '97 (Kkc414)
Coco Montoya Taping Policy (Jmratman)
JID 2/1,2/2 tree info (David Hollister)
FS: Digicon 2 SCMS buster (T r i s t a n T o m)
20 bits into D7? (Udo van den Heuvel)
Pens (Toby Germano)
Bobtapes mailing list (Eric Schoneveld)
Fwd: Dylan LA ' 97 (Boook)
Dylan LA ' 97 (Boook)
Re: SxSW ("Charles M. Quinn")
Good Hi8 External Mic [non DAT] (Chris Kushmider)
90M tapes in portables (Jay Fitzgerald)
Searching for Moe with Bob Weir @ Fillmore and Saratoga SBDS (DJaySteve)
PCM-R500... error rate display (JohnaH1464)
From: "Clint Spaar" <cspaar@top.monad.net>
Subject: Portable CD players with digital outs?
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:22:56 -0500
Hi...
Are there any portable CD players with digital outputs?
Thanks,
Clint
From: "Clint Spaar" <cspaar@top.monad.net>
Subject: Analog>R300>CDR?
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:22:56 -0500
Hi all,
Is it possible to just use the D>A converter on my Sony without recording
to tape, and running the D-out to record CDRs? Would the SBM function
work also?
Thanks for any replies,
Clint
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@lightlink.com>
Subject: Tori Amos taping policy?
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 18:31:35 -0800
\Does anyone know what Tori Amos' policy or attitude is towards tapers and
tape trading? I haven't heard anything definite. The closest thing I've
heard/read about her attitude is that she hates bootleggers, but mainly
because most bootlegs are of poor quality and she feels the fans are
getting jipped. At the same time, I've never heard of anyone taping her
shows without stealthing.
If she were to develop a clear policy (if she doesn't have one already), it
would certainly make things easier for me. :)
Thanks,
<> David
URL me at http://www.lightlink.com/drogers/
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From: ASAMEL <ASAMEL@aol.com>
Subject: ISO: Cheri Knight/Blood Oranges
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 22:40:06 EST
Does anybody have anything by this wonderful band or their tallented bass
player?
Bruce
From: "John Blackmore" <blackmor@iconn.net>
Subject: ISO: CT Unideckers & Re: D>A Etiquette
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 23:32:13 -0500
First off, just thought someone might like to hear the results of my D>A
etiquette survey - it was unanimous that filling side A and putting the
complete song on side B is the right way to go, no apology needed. What the
hell, they're getting D>A copies! I must say I'm relieved as it means I
don't have to sit there and time it. Thanks for responding.
Moving on, I'd like to find a fellow unidecker in Connecticut (or
Poughkeepsie area, NJ, anywhere that's not ridiculously far) to combine
forces with and clone some DATs. I have lots of Dead and some Phish thanks
to some generous B&P offers, but I'm always looking for other bands. I'm
tired of grovelling, don't wanna trade analog much more, and don't have the
$$$$$$$$$ for a new deck (yet). I'd rather trade! I found one volunteer on
digiphish, but like I said, I'm looking for other bands, too. Please e-mail
if interested. Thanks.
John Blackmore
blackmor@iconn.net
P.S. - if it helps sway you, I'm going to try to tape both nights of Phish
in Providence.
From: Daniel Mahoney <mahoney@mail.dcache.net>
Subject: portable Headphone amp
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 00:43:39 -0500
There's been some discussion about headphone amps powering Etymotic
Canal-phones ( and other headphones ) and the possible need for more
amplification. So I wanted to pass along this
info I found tonight :
http://onramp.uscom.com/~soundpro/headamps.html
this looks like an ideal solution. And for under 50 bucks.
I can't recommend it cause I've never used or seen one- but from what I see
hear I'm buying one.
Dan
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Tape trading - see my DAT List: http://www.dcache.net/~mahoney/dm_dats.htm
From: david short <davidshort@netmatters.co.uk>
Subject: subscribe
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:56:50 +0000
pls add me to your board.
From: Rahul Krishnaswamy <rsk9@cornell.edu>
Subject: new order b&p offer
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:34:50 -0500 (EST)
i've got the following stuff all on one dat i'd like to trade for a blank
and postage: (all in LP mode)
New Order 93 Reading Festival, 85 Tokyo
Jesus Jones 91 London
Republica 96 Portland
thanks.
-rahul
From: Mike Lieman <mikelieman@albany.net>
Subject: Re: D>A Etiquette Questions
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 08:42:10 -0500
>From: "John Blackmore" <blackmor@iconn.net>
>Subject: D>A Etiquette Questions
>Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:34:12 -0500
>
>Soon after introducing myself to DAT, I made a massive D>A offer. Now that
>I'm in the middle of it, I'm finding that on occasion I zone out/get
>preoccupied and miss the analog flip, so the last song on the side is cut
>off. I include the entire song on the next side, but how does one handle
>this? I've just been leaving a note like "sorry I f'ed up the flip - it's
>around 38:35", or something like that. I can't imagine anyone generous
>enough to start over, and I refuse to believe this doesn't happen to anyone
>else! Is a note even necessary?
It's common practice in the analog world (especially going from 100's or
110's to 90's) to have to deal with this problem... You're totally correct
in just starting the blown song again on the second side.
A note isn't even necessary.
>Another related question - does it make sense for a lowly unidecker to start
>an analog tree (or vine/weed/whatever-the-hell-all-this-crap-is)? I got too
>too many responses this time, and I hate turning lots of eager fans down.
>Just wondering what some opinions are.
You could spin off a pair of tapes for two people who are really eager to
get the music out. Let them do the real work, and you get the satisfaction
that you're not really *that* lazy...
peace
Mike
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From: Mike Lieman <mikelieman@albany.net>
Subject: Re: Need recommendation for analog recorder(little dat
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 08:54:09 -0500
>From: "Mark Ruenes" <thrak@flex.net>
>Subject: Need recommendation for analog recorder(no dat content)
>Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:45:25 -0600
>
>I know many of you run analog recorders off your dat recorder at the
>concert. I am looking into doing the same thing, so I can give a copy to
>the band after each show. I just wanted to know if there is an online
>company that sells good analog recorders($100-400), and if one type is
>better than the other. Please let me know by email.
>
Hmmm... You're not interested in the BEST analog recorder (which as y'all
know, IMNSHO is the PMD-430) but something that's good enough... How's
about a Sony WM-D6C? It's in the range, had Dolby B & C, A useful enough
meter, A nice leather (L E A T H E R ! !) case, and is reasonably durable.
Use 90 minute tapes, and it'll last forever. (They've been known to get
tempermental w/ age w.r.t. longer tapes, i.e.: pitch flux)
peace
Mike
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From: EByron <EByron@aol.com>
Subject: oh my !
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:03:14 EST
(regarding taping at HIS festival)
Wally from SxSW said........
snip---
However, without permission, tough luck if a bouncer bears down on you.
Thanks for the bandwidth, and I do hope to see many of you at the
festival.
snip---
if this is the way "festival"planners are thinking _and mouthing off
....should be an interesting summer
From: "Jack R. Lebowitz" <jackl@lemreid.com>
Subject: Re: D>A Etiquette Questions
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 09:19:40 -0500
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:34:12 -0500,
"John Blackmore" <blackmor@iconn.net> wrote:
>Soon after introducing myself to DAT, I made a massive D>A offer. Now that
>I'm in the middle of it, I'm finding that on occasion I zone out/get
>preoccupied and miss the analog flip, so the last song on the side is cut
>off. I include the entire song on the next side, but how does one handle
>this? I've just been leaving a note like "sorry I f'ed up the flip - it's
>around 38:35", or something like that. I can't imagine anyone generous
>enough to start over, and I refuse to believe this doesn't happen to anyone
>else! Is a note even necessary?
Personally, I wouldn't send out a tape like that, even with a note,
although the person who gets the tape can usually fix the situation by
simply re-recording silence (or filler) over the cut music on the "missed
flip" side...
You don't need to start over, though. What I do in such situations is to
simply rewind the analog deck back to where the flip was missed and record
"silence" over that material to the end of the tape (record with no input
signal or the "record mute" function on). That way, no problemo, nothing
to explain, and your "mistake" is "covered".
It's cool that you're doing D>A...I also find it gratifying to spread the
music to less the obsessive/committed to taping ;-)...it wasn't so long ago
that I regarded my DAUD-1s from my taper friends as among my most treasured
possessions!
J
From: Kkc414 <Kkc414@aol.com>
Subject: ISO Rolling Stones Club Shows & Madison '97
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:44:09 EST
I am looking for Stones shows. Please email privately and I'll send you my
list.
Kevin
From: Jmratman <Jmratman@aol.com>
Subject: Coco Montoya Taping Policy
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:07:21 EST
I'm seeing Coco in a bar in Portland, Maine this Thursday. Does anyone know
his taping policy?
He can wail!!
Jim Ratner
Cape Elizabeth, Maine
From: David Hollister <dhollist@Iphase.COM>
Subject: JID 2/1,2/2 tree info
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 08:43:03 -0600
Most updated info at http://www.public.asu.edu/~dhollist/jid_tree.html
If you're on the tree, please check in to see what's up. The tapes are
rollin.
--
David Hollister Interphase Corporation
dhollist@iphase.com
Software Engineer Dallas, TX
http://www.public.asu.edu/~dhollist
From: T r i s t a n T o m <TT@TheGrid.net>
Subject: FS: Digicon 2 SCMS buster
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:16:34 -0800
I have a Digicon 2 SCMS remover box for sale (resets SCMS to 00). It has
full optical and coaxial ins and outs. Will take best offer.
TT@TheGrid.net
From: udo@dinges.xs4all.nl (Udo van den Heuvel)
Subject: 20 bits into D7?
Date: 08 Mar 98 09:29:07 +0100
Hello All!
Since I take up too much of Greg Hanssens time I'll ask my question here:
the Zefiro inbox has a 20 bit ADC which sends 20 bits to the DAT, a D7 in my
case. Since the D7 can only record 16 bits onto tape the 20 bits are cut off at
the lower end to make the data 'fit' on the tape.
Since these are the lower order bits - polluted with noise - it's no big deal,
but what may the consequences be? I'm sure the Inbox will be an improvement
over the ADC of the D7 but can I hear the difference in quality (16 vs 16 minus
noise audio bits)?
Can I hear the effects of the D7 cutting off the lower bits?
Can an expert provide some insight?
Or someone with some experience with the Inbox?
Greetz,
Udo
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From: TGermano@webtv.net (Toby Germano)
Subject: Pens
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:07:14 -0800
A few weeks ago, someone mentioned the Dixon Ticonderoga REDI-SHARP PLUS
as being a great pen to use for CD-R's. I live in Northern California,
and no stores seem to have them! Does anyone know of an on-line source
that sells them?
Thanks!
Toby Germano
http://www.inergy.com/Tobison
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From: E.W.Schoneveld@caiw.nl (Eric Schoneveld)
Subject: Bobtapes mailing list
Reply-To: E.W.Schoneveld@caiw.nl
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 18:36:33 GMT
Hi Folks,
I just wanted to tell y'all that I created a mailing list for Bob Dylan
Tape Chat.
The Url to sign up is at :
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5290/bobtapes.htm
In case you cant get there or dont succeed in subscribing you can drop me=
a
line and I'll add you manually...
Eric
ICQ: 9018684
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From: Boook <Boook@aol.com>
Subject: Fwd: Dylan LA ' 97
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:56:59 EST
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To: DAT-HEADS@virginia.edu
Subject: Dylan LA ' 97
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:56:04 EST
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Have the 5 Dylan shows from LA in 1997 done w/ Schoeps.
Looking for other Dylan Schoeps shows and Van Morrison and
Jonny Lang. Also looking for some Robert Bradley tapes.
Boook@aol.com
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From: Boook <Boook@aol.com>
Subject: Dylan LA ' 97
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:56:04 EST
Have the 5 Dylan shows from LA in 1997 done w/ Schoeps.
Looking for other Dylan Schoeps shows and Van Morrison and
Jonny Lang. Also looking for some Robert Bradley tapes.
Boook@aol.com
From: "Charles M. Quinn" <cmquinn@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: SxSW
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 11:56:23
Care to post the language of your "exclusive" rights. I am sure our lawyer
friends here can probably point out how UNexclusive they are. I bet you
have exclusive rights to broadcast the internet show only.
Anyhow, I glad we are going to eat into your bottom line by forcing you to
buy metal detectors, and make sure your are going to have both male an
female security. Yep! Gonna have one of your male goons pat down women in
the crotches as they come in. Maybe you need metal detectors too, eat more
into your profit.
Of course there will be those who walk past your heavy handed security to
be handed thier deck from their bartender/waitress friend. I bet there are
spots in a given venue where one could go a few days early and safely leave
a deck without anyone finding it.
I think you need to learn the lesson that no security is perfect. You will
only deter those who are stupid.
>From: wallyski@eden.com
>Subject: New rules...
>Reply-To: wallyski@eden.com
>Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 14:43:23 -0600
>
>Well, since you all love to keep the pendulum swinging in full force, i
>guess we'll have to impose some draconian rules. The venues that we are
>covering will most likely be conducting thorough searches upon entry to
>the venue. That is fully within our rights, and it just goes to show
>ya, that if you keep your mouth shut, none of this would have happened.
>Such adamant opinions that go so many different directions...
>Well, it doesnt matter. NO DATs will be confiscated. If you are lucky
>enough to get your deck in (good luck), and you are caught taping, then
>your DATs will be bulk erased and returned to you. Anyone wanna argue
>with these rules? I dont believe they violate any laws.
>
From: Chris Kushmider <chriskus@pottsville.infi.net>
Subject: Good Hi8 External Mic [non DAT]
Reply-To: chriskus@pottsville.infi.net
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 15:17:24 -0500
Hello,
If anyone can advise me as to a good, small, stereo external mic [under
$50] for use with a hi8 camcorder, I'd be very appreciated.
Thanks - Chris
--
"... but sometimes I'd feel more fulfilled
making Christmas cards for the mentally ill."
--Morrissey
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/1670/bootlist.html
From: Jay Fitzgerald <jayfitz@micron.net>
Subject: 90M tapes in portables
Reply-To: jayfitz@micron.net
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 13:50:04 -0700
Any input on portable decks (Sony D-8,PCM-1,D-100,etc) that handle 90m
tapes reliably? I'd be using it for playback mostly.
thanks,
jay
From: DJaySteve <DJaySteve@aol.com>
Subject: Searching for Moe with Bob Weir @ Fillmore and Saratoga SBDS
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:07:51 EST
Does anyone have these two gigs . Moe with Bobby at the Fillmore and Saratoga
last summer. Thanks Steve,SDBS preferred but excellent mics are erxcellent!
From: JohnaH1464 <JohnaH1464@aol.com>
Subject: PCM-R500... error rate display
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:52:45 EST
ok. when I put my R500 in error rate mode I see the following...
A 11 22 33 44 ---- where 11 22 33 44 are the 4 number groups
I'm assuming that 11 and 22 are for the A head and 33 44 are
for the B head. Am I correct?
Assuming this, do the pairs go together (as in high and low
grouping) or do they have other meanings.
And, why is it I generally only see readings on 22? I've never
seen readings on any of the others unless the deck is searching
or in pause mode.
Any help on this will be greatly appreciated!!!!
-- John
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