DAT-Heads Digest #110
Contents:
Fiber Optic Cable Data (Yalk)
Ben Harper in Boston - anyone taping (or want to)? (Beau Colburn)
Pearl Jam down under...and CDR870 question (Id My Tree)
RH tix grovel (Tass)
FUJI DATS $3.99 (American-Digital)
TASCAM DA P1 ("Michael James Melko Jr.")
Urgent to your Representative (Yalk)
Ziggy Marley/9:30 Club taping policy? (YouthDude6)
Anyone taping GSW in California/Utah/Washington? (Davidlown)
To equalize or not. (RKB4%ERF%EbrFacErf@bangate.pge.com)
Pink Floyd 2/28/80 ("Paul Galis")
Re: CD-r disk rotational speeds (Jonathan Edelson)
ISO Smashing Pumpkins 12-18-96 LA and 1-28-97 Boston DATs. (Edward Davis)
ABB Cybercast... (Steven Kingsley)
Oh No! Fostex D-5 problem (Marc Olson)
SxSW Festival (BILL_HANCE@premier-research.com)
Re: Portable for 90m tapes ("David D. Rogers")
Experiences with Pioneer DC88 Portable? (Rich Winter)
Re:To pad or not to pad.. (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
Re:To pad or not to pad.. (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
From: Yalk <Yalk@aol.com>
Subject: Fiber Optic Cable Data
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:23:54 EST
For those that need it, I have placed a .pdf of the fiber optic cable data
sheet of the cables I sell at my ftp site, ftp.klay.com, in the pdf file as
FiberOptic.
Thanks!
Regards,
Klay Anderson
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: Beau Colburn <rcolburn@emerald.tufts.edu>
Subject: Ben Harper in Boston - anyone taping (or want to)?
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:06:44 -0500
Hey All-
Here's the deal. I'm seeing Ben Harper at the Avalon tomorrow night, I
wanted to tape (stealth), but my deck is in the shop. I'd love to have a
copy, so if anyone is interested I can offer use of my Core Sound cardiods,
and an SBM-1. All you would need was a D7/8/100, etc. I'd love to work
this out, so if you're interested please email me asap. Or call locally,
617-666-6568.
Thanks-
Beau
---
Beau Colburn
rcolburn@emerald.tufts.edu
http://www.tufts.edu/~rcolburn
"This is definitely bigger than Lolopalloza" - overheard at The Great Went
From: Id My Tree <wmaangel@richmond.infi.net>
Subject: Pearl Jam down under...and CDR870 question
Reply-To: wmaangel@richmond.infi.net
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:01:23 -0500
Hi, I wanted to ask two questions...
1. Has anyone here who reads this list taped Pearl Jam on their current
New Zealand/Australian tour? Please mail me if so! I have over 200
different PJ tapes to offer in trade :)
2. The Philips CDR870 has me intrigued....I know you can bypass having
to use the expensive "tax-paid" consumer CD-R's by manually opening the
drawer after loading a consumer CD-R and replacing it with a cheap
computer blank...does anyone feel this could have a short or long term
effect on the drawer's open/close motor? Does anyone know any other way
to circumvent the consumer discs? The unit seems pretty decent for the
price (for those of us who can't afford the impressive HHB)...but I
wouldn't want to invest in such a unit that would be damaged by pulling
and pushing on the loading drawer to use the cheap blanks...
Thanks for the space!
Matt C.
From: Tass <gv1@axe.humboldt.edu>
Subject: RH tix grovel
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:06:16 -0800 (PST)
OK I'm *really* sorry for the wasted b/w, but I'm DESPERATE!
A good female(!) friend of mine has missed every single chance to see them
live (for many years now) and I would simply *kill* to see then a 2nd time
myself...
SO! if anyone has extra tickets, or knows where I can get a couple extra
tickets for 04.02.98 in SF (NO scalpers please, I'm a poor college boy and
hate those pricks anyways!)...I'm willing to pay face, or maybe a tad more
if *neccessary*
and will of course supply a copy of the show on DAT or analog or
whatever...
again, sorry for the wasted b/w, but I'm trying every option I can think
of here in hope...
From: American-Digital <dan@am-dig.com>
Subject: FUJI DATS $3.99
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:35:43 -0500
Hello Digital People-
Fuji has decided to become player in the DDS for music market and
has offered some very competitive prices. We have sold several
thousands of these DATs to a large commercial account without one
return. I work very closely with the media purchaser at this company
and his comment on the Fuji DATS was "flawless".
Your pick 60m or 90m as low as $3.99!!!!
To view this product please go to 90m/180min:
http://www.american-digital.com/fuji90m.html
Or for the 60m/120min:
http://www.american-digital.com/fuji60m.html
Thanks-
Dan & Larry
http://www.am-dig.com
888-USA-DATS
From: "Michael James Melko Jr." <mjm1@megsinet.net>
Subject: TASCAM DA P1
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:40:19 -0600
I am planning on purchasing a TASCAM P1 this week. The sales man suggested
to purchase a better portable battery. What is wrong with the TASCAM
battery? What other brands should I look into?
From: Yalk <Yalk@aol.com>
Subject: Urgent to your Representative
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:51:55 EST
Please read; this affects us all:
Congress has declared war on VCR's and PC's. A Clinton administration bill,
H.R. 2281, containing restrictions on new devices that might be used for home
recording has moved one step closer to becoming law. This bill would ban new
generations of VCR's and personal computers with digital copying ability.
NOTE:
It will effectively take away the right of consumers to record in their homes.
It is URGENT that you do something to stop this bill. Contact your
Representative today and urge them to kill this bill.
For more info, http://www.hrrc.org
Don't say I don't warn you.
Regards,
Klay Anderson
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: YouthDude6 <YouthDude6@aol.com>
Subject: Ziggy Marley/9:30 Club taping policy?
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:37:38 EST
Folks~
Can someone be so kind as to enlighten me with any info they know
about Ziggy's taping policy, as well as 9:30 Club (in D.C.) taping policy?
Ziggy plays tonight (3/10) and any info you can get to me privately ASAP
would be *highly* appreciated! Thanks and have a good day!
Peace-
Dave Musser
From: Davidlown <Davidlown@aol.com>
Subject: Anyone taping GSW in California/Utah/Washington?
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:45:05 EST
Hi,
Is anyone planning on taping god street wine(or did tape) during their western
tour. If so I would LOVE to trade. I have tons of God Street, phish, and Dead
on DAT and Analog
Dave
From: RKB4%ERF%EbrFacErf@bangate.pge.com
Subject: To equalize or not.
Reply-To: <RKB4%ERF%EbrFacErf@bangate.pge.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 98 10:54:01 PST
Klay Anderson wrote about using equalization for taping:
Wrong to get what results? On what speakers in what room? Making EQ
adjustments on sub-par loudspeakers in a bad envionment is like painting a
portrait on a yellow or green canvas; your final product is "tinted'
wrong.
You should be making decisions on a known-good reference loudspeaker of
some
kind. And even then, all the eq in the world won't repair a poorly made
tape.
In fact, I submit if you end up using a lot of analog EQ, you are adding
noise, distortion, lots of phase shift and other garbage that helps
degrade
the product further.
==========================================
My response:
Right on the mark Klay!
Equalization is certainly a useful tool to use for recording but it needs
to be used very discretely....using it to makeup for serious deficiencies
in the recording process, mike selection, playback system, etc. will only
screwup your recording since you will likely gain some but probably loose
a lot.
Take a hint from the recording studios....they very rarily use more than
about 3 dB +- equalization in any one band on a 1/3 octave equalizer.
I have successfully used a Behringer Ultra Curve DSP8000 with the digital
in/out option (great piece of equipment) to modify existing DAT tapes. I
run the original through the DSP8000 and output the modified version to
another DAT recorder never leaving the digital domain. This is about the
least dangerous way to do this....you still have the unadulterated
original and you can often improve it by using the DSP9=8000....but I
would be very nervous about making these judgements on the original
recording...especially if you are doing it in a live one time only
environment like at a concert.
The most important thing to remember is you need to consider all
components in the chain from the performance, through the mikes, location
of the mikes and their characteristics, room "sound", other equipment, and
than you have to deal with your playback equipment, preamp, amp, speakers,
room "sound", etc.
To really do it right you need a very controlled listening room with high
end speakers that have been placed and equalized for the listening room
characteristics. You can get really rediculous here. I have used Real Time
Analysis techniques with the DSP8000 to experiment with leveling the
speakers to match room accoustics. There are so many variables
here...speaker characteristics, speaker placement in relation to
furniture, walls, room size, number of people and their placement in the
room. As you can see you can get really rediculous. While it can be
worthwhile going to all this trouble for an optimum setup this would only
be valid for identical conditions. That same recording played back through
different speakers, different room, different furniture, etc. and you may
have a terrible result.
Many audiophiles get so wraped up in this process that they have a
collection of recordings that are excellent recordings of shitty
performances. Some of my favorite recordings are less than perfect
recordings but the performance is spectacular.
Like they say in photography to knock a photo....the photographer created
a sharp picture of a fuzzy concept.
Bob Berta
From: "Paul Galis" <hotrats@xsite.net>
Subject: Pink Floyd 2/28/80
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:12:35 -0600
Sorry about this post but I just picked up a mind blowing audience tape,
(Analog Master > D>D>D) from Pink Floyd at Nassau Coliseum on 2/28/80. This
show puts most of the modern day, DAT stealth shows to shame. I was
wondering if this was the tape that was taped with Nakamichi mics duct taped
to a pile of unused folding chairs that were near the speakers? I'm very
interested in hearing about the story behind this tape. Thanks.
Paul
From: Jonathan Edelson <winnie@borealis.com>
Subject: Re: CD-r disk rotational speeds
Reply-To: winnie@borealis.com
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:43:12 -0500
The CD standard includes ranges for the allowable track pitch (spacing
between tracks) and allowable linear velocity. On any given CD,
constant linear velocity is used, however that linear velocity may
change from CD to CD.
On CD-R, the linear velocity is set by the pregrove. A 63 minute CD-R
has a pregrove that causes a higher linear velocity to be used as
compared to a 74 minute CD-R
-Jon
From: crazy_diamond@webtv.net (Edward Davis)
Subject: ISO Smashing Pumpkins 12-18-96 LA and 1-28-97 Boston DATs.
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:04:33 -0800
Hi,
I am frantically searching for the 12-18-96 and 1-28-97 DATs from the
Smashing Pumpkins. I know that they exist and I would appreciate any
help locating these shows. I would be willing to do a 2:1 if nothing
from my list interests you. I also have an extremely rare Pumpkins
video I would be willing to trade for clones of these shows(3-95 Mellon
Collie rehersals).
Thanks in advance,
Ed Davis.
========================================================
Want to trade DATs come to my web page at:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/5771/
From: Steven Kingsley <Steven@airsys.net>
Subject: ABB Cybercast...
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:48:09 -0500
From: duncan@epix.net
Subject: ABB Info"
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:09:11 -0500 (EST)
Hello,i was at the beacon theater,for fridays and saturdays ABB shows
<snip>
a fellow taper told me that this coming weekend,
friday + Saturday,s show,are going to be broadcasted through the internet
<snip>
THAT Was ME :-) I told someone there of it anyways & was tapin.
I read it in Allstar Mag, http://www.allstarmag.com it says;
ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND -- "Peakin' at the Beacon" Live Cybercast from the
Beacon Theatre in New York, March 13 and 14
These legends of Southern rock are spending the entire month of March
performing a sold-out 15-night stand at New York's Beacon Theatre, and
Rocktropolis will be there to bring you a weekend full of "Peakin' at the
Beacon" shows. As anyone who owns a copy of the classic album "Live at
Fillmore East" can attest, the band always delivers in New York, and these
shows will be no exception.
Air Systems Inc. http://www.airsys.net/
Dat List At: http://www.airsys.net/dat
===============================================
"Time's fun when you're having flies."
- Kermit the Frog -
From: Marc Olson <molson@ucla.edu>
Subject: Oh No! Fostex D-5 problem
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:17:11 -0800
I just got a Fostex about 3 weeks ago and it was working fine. Last night I
was trying to make a clone, but had a problem. Someone sent me KAO 60's
which he said he unpacked before he sent them to me. I decided that I
should unpack it again after shipping. I put the tape in and it loaded
fine, but when I went to FF the tape it FFed about 11 seconds, then showed
the "EE" code for the end of the tape. Then it would stop and not rewind.
I could rewind it the 11 seconds after that. I tried this with both of the
tapes and they both had the same problem. I then tried to FF the tapes in
my D100 and it worked fine. After going foreward for 2 minutes I transfered
it to the D5 and it FF and RW all the way through and then the clone came
out fine. I've used and unpacked all types of tapes on this deck. I even
got one of my own Maxell unlabeled 60's which I FF with no problem. What
was wrong? Was it a problem with my D5 or was it the tape. Like I said the
tapes were suposed to be unpacked already. I assume that was the problem.
After the clones were done I played them in the D5 with no problem and there
were no errors on the tape. Anyone have any advice?
Marc Olson
747 Gayley Ave. #302
Los Angeles, Ca. 90024
(310) 209-1551
University of California Los Angeles
From: BILL_HANCE@premier-research.com
Subject: SxSW Festival
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 98 19:27:51 -0800
SxSW Festival
To <dat-heads@fedney.near.net>
If anyone gets any good tapes of any of the shows, I'd be
interested
in a trade.
:-),
Bill
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: Portable for 90m tapes
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:18:21 -0800
>From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
>Subject: Re: Portable for 90m tapes
>Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:54:40 +0000
>
>> Any input on portable decks (Sony D-8,PCM-1,D-100,etc) that handle 90m
>> tapes reliably? I'd be using it for playback mostly.
>
>The D8 handles 90m (and even 120m) tapes with 100% reliability.
If you negate the more rapid head and motor wear with 90m tapes on a deck
that's not designed for it, then yes, it does play them with 100%
reliability. Ultimately, after it's been worn by age and use, it probably
won't play any tape at all. (Keep in mind that any product that's
mass-produced has at least a few defective units, so there are undoubtedly
a few D8's that don't even play 60m tapes with 100% accuracy. :)
But the D8 doesn't handle 90m tapes with 100% accuracy, in the way that
most people would define "100% accuracy"; that's why I'd never say it is.
Rather than say that, I'd say that it will make your deck tempermental if
you use them regularly, even (as I've found on my D7s) with 60m tapes. Even
though the tapes themselves are more cost-effective per minute and the only
way to get a complete, uninterrupted show in many cases, they will kill
your deck faster in the long run, unless your deck was designed for them. I
don't know if there's a sub-$1000 deck that is, let alone a portable one.
But the D8 (and D7, for that matter) will withstand occasional use of 90m
tapes; probably best to copy it to two 60m tapes for regular listening, and
to keep the 90m tape as an unspoiled (no break in the middle) archival tape.
Peace,
<> David
URL me at http://www.lightlink.com/drogers/
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From: Rich Winter <rich_winter@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Experiences with Pioneer DC88 Portable?
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:00:46 -0800 (PST)
Curious to hear anyones first hand experiences
with this deck. Please respond directly to me
as I do not subscribe to this list.
Thanks,
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From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Re:To pad or not to pad..
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:35:44 -0800
"... That is my question. I have a set of Oktavia MC 012 mics with a -10dB
pad. They're running into my DA-P1 with no preamp. (Saving up for one :))
My question is, what sortof results should I expect with the mics -10dB pad
vs. the DA-P1's -20dB pad? Would running both the mic and deck pads buffer
sound too much? Any opinion on this is greatly appreciated."
This type of pad is screwed in between the mic capsule and the microphone
preamp (the microphone body, don't get this confused with an external
microphone preamp such as a Sonosax or a deck's built in mic preamp) to
prevent overloading in the microphone preamp (the mic body) and ultimately
a deck's preamp too. The Oktavas have a pretty high SPL (I wanna say
138dB) so in reality it would be very rare to overload the mic body
preamp(I've run my pads only once and have never used them since and never
had a problem with overloading). THough I don't have any factual evidence
that suggests the screw in Oktava pad is noisy or bad, I tend to think that
they probably aren't matched that well (not that much of a factor in your
instance since the DAP1 has independent L and R record level controls)and
are just another mechanical link (as well as electronics)which can only add
more artifacts. Basically for whatever reason I have doubts as to how
clean or transparent the Oktava pads are. Someone here might have measured
this as I recall someone else saying a while back that they should only be
used for fishing weights. Personally, one of my first two was a great baby
rattle and ever since then (even though I got it replaced) I've had my
doubts on those pads. BTW I think the Oktavas are excellent mics
especially for the $$$, the difn't capsules, and especially with my bass
mod.
In summary I wouldn't use the Oktava pads. If necessary use the DAP1 built
in pads. However, if the built in DAP1 pad isn't enough and you still
overload the DAP1's mic pre(as I recall this is pretty easy to do from
posts I've seen here), you may need to use the Oktava Pad in addition to
the DAP1 built in pad.
Another (probably not --looking for comments here)possible option (and I'm
not certain if this is possible, its actually probably not since its the
same cable that the 48V travels through) would be if XLR>XLR cables exist
which have built in attenuators(in this instance you can think of an
attenuator as a built in dB pad). Even if this cable does exist, probably
since you are providing 48V through it it won't work(since you're using the
48V phantom capabilities of the DAP1). I bet that screws things up.
And finally I just wanted to thank all you dat-heads out there who I've
personally heard from and the very positive comments I've read on the list.
Stand up for what you believe in and keep our hobby healthy!
(Alternatively:Evolution is slow, but nevertheless its still evolution!)
Pete
ps - when I said give up a tape a if you're caught, that's my opinion. If
I ever get caught, I have absolutely no problem giving up the tape and
being booted. To me that says "heh you weren't good enough that night, you
deserve to get booted and give up the tape"(IE they outsmarted you, they
deserve the tape). Technically though I suppose one could make a deal over
this (such as ask for a replacement tape to cover the cost of the actual
tape). I personally just wouldn't since a tape is neglible in cost.
Instead I'd find a way to do it better next time!
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Re:To pad or not to pad..
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:54:02 -0800
"The Oktavas have a pretty high SPL (I wanna say 138dB) so in reality it
would be very rare to overload the mic body preamp"
Let me be more specific. Generally this is stated as "Max SPL less than
.05%". It is an overload point. When you get sound louder than this, the
sound quality drops off considerably.
Pete
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