DAT-Heads Digest #111
Contents:
NC Tapers: shotgun mics needed (Jonas)
sony 59es question (Stuart Hedges)
Re:Theory on D7 diginoise (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
Old Taping Articles (Wagner One)
Tascam PE-125 mics (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
Re: Pink Floyd 2/28/80 (Seth Breidbart)
In Denver and ready for a quick trade? (Erik Larson)
90M tapes in portables ("The 4D's")
ISO D6 analog deck ("Shannon Tompkins")
Re: Oh No! Fostex D-5 problem (Seth Breidbart)
Re: TASCAM DA P1 (Seth Breidbart)
Re:Urgent to your Representative (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
WM-D6C (Jeff Bowen)
looking for remote (Bruce & Kathleen Bruton)
Has anyone experienced this/any idea what is wrong with these? (Olympian90)
Symphony Orchestra + Organ (Masato Kato)
Re: SxSW Festival (Wagner One)
David Patterson (Maurice Maes)
SONY portables query (David Julian Price)
RE: Tascam Battery (Mark Nutter)
From: Jonas <jlb20@acpub.duke.edu>
Subject: NC Tapers: shotgun mics needed
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:11:11 -0500
Ben Folds Five are coming to Duke University on the last day of classes in
May. I want to get a good tape, so if anyone out there has some shotguns
and the necessary components to feed a D8, I would love to borrow them or
possibly meet you at the show for a patch. I will rent mics if necessary
but would prefer not to.
Thanks,
Jonas
From: Stuart Hedges <temek@earthlink.net>
Subject: sony 59es question
Reply-To: temek@earthlink.net
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:14:31 -0800
hey there:
has anyone used 90m tapes in their sony 59es...the manual seems to imply
that 60m is all that is supported...anyone out there know otherwise?
stuart
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Re:Theory on D7 diginoise
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:34:38 -0800
"From: Fred Jan Kraan <fjkr@cayennesoft.nl>
Subject: Theory on D7 diginoise
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:42:53 +0100 (MET)
Hi everyone!
Having problems with diginoise on a D7 I came up with the following
idea:
Problem:
The D7 plays once recorded tapes without problems, both 60m and 90m.
When an once used tape is rerecorded, the D7 gives repetetive
diginoise at the end of the tape, again on both 60m and 90m.
Theory:
My theory is that the new magnetic track does not completely erases the
old one, probably traces are left between the new track. The tracking
mechanism of the D7 is less than ideal due to size limitations, and
it is confused by this remnants of this old recording, resulting in
signal loss and diginoise. Playing the same tapes on a full size deck
gives no problems. So the new track is there, but the D7 has problems
'tracking' it!
Background info:
The D7 is not used very intensively, maybe 5 to 10 hours a week, and has
had a mayor repair at the local Sony repair centre last year.
Summary:
The theory predicts that the D7 has more problems with rerecorded tapes
than new or bulk erased tapes. Comments on this are welcome.
Greetings,
Fred Jan Kraan
P.S. I hope it is true. A bulk-erazor is cheaper than a better portable DAT
:-)"
Excellent post Fred. In fact (assuming your observations are correct and
over a big enough sample size and that all other variable were held
constant) this post has changed my opinion on bulk erasers (I used to think
they were unnecesary). The main issue here is the D7/8's transport
mechanism. Towards the end of a 3 hour tape it has trouble maintaining
constant steady speed. Based on your observations, your theory makes sense
to me.
I love to see posts like this. People thinking.
Pete
ps could someone cut and paste the Mix magazines "dat copying" and "dat
integrity" (or something like that)from Klay's site and email it to me in
normal text form. Thanks.
From: Wagner One <wagner@teamschoeps.org>
Subject: Old Taping Articles
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:48:33 -0500
I recently ran across some old recording articles while looking through a
1990 Dupree's. I took some time last weekend to make them available for
those of you here that might get a kick out of seeing them (again?). It
was right about the time that DAT was rearing it's ugly head, so it's a
neat perspective...
They're at:
http://www.enteract.com/~wagner/dat/1990/hometaping
and
http://www.enteract.com/~wagner/dat/1990/liveanalogtaping
Mike
--
Mike Wagner - wagner@teamschoeps.org
A bad Dead show is better than a good day at work...
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Tascam PE-125 mics
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:54:07 -0800
"It was I who machined the fittings to get stealthable tascam pe-125's."
These must be the mics(isn't this a really really inexpensive mic?) which
I've heard (I've never actually heard these tapes but would love to trade
for any of these shows) made some really nice phish FOBs? I love it when
people make killer tapes (esp FOBs) with very modest equipment. Home-brew
mods make em all the sweeter!
Pete
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Pink Floyd 2/28/80
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:16:20 -0500 (EST)
>Sorry about this post but I just picked up a mind blowing audience tape,
>(Analog Master > D>D>D) from Pink Floyd at Nassau Coliseum on 2/28/80.
If it's the tape I know it is, it's cassette->reel->dat.
> This show puts most of the modern day, DAT stealth shows to shame. I
>was wondering if this was the tape that was taped with Nakamichi mics
>duct taped to a pile of unused folding chairs that were near the
>speakers?
No. The guy who taped it was talking about joining dat-heads when I
saw him Sunday; maybe he'll tell the story (from what I remember,
there isn't much of one, really).
Seth
From: Erik Larson <tralfaz@qadas.com>
Subject: In Denver and ready for a quick trade?
Reply-To: tralfaz@qadas.com
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:24:17 -0700
Hey all. I'm looking to get rid of some extras I've got. They're all on
90 m Gold KAOs, and I'm looking for blanks of the same in trade. Some
moe., LoS, WSP, Phish, Chief Broom, MMW, GD... a few others. I'd prefer
a person-to-person swap. Everything else will soon be B+P for everyone.
Thanks, Erik
From: "The 4D's" <dserafini@snet.net>
Subject: 90M tapes in portables
Reply-To: dserafini@snet.net
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:02:42 -0500
Any input on portable decks (Sony D-8, PCM-1, D-100,etc) that handle 90m
tapes reliably?
Yeah Jay, I have owned a d-7 (basically the same as d-8) for about 3 years
(?) now and I run KAO 90 meters ALL THE TIME!! Despite all the (so called) "KAO
Gunk" reports, that gets on the heads of the deck when using KAO tapes, I have had
little to NO problems. Though the manual ( and most Tapers ) will NOT recommend
this as "common practice." This is probably running my deck into the ground, but at
this moment in time I frankly.... don't care! They [90m] have worked in the past
so I take my chances. Note: the reference to the "KAO Gunk" is based on (I guess)
the tape material not the actual LENGTH of the tape. Running 3 hr tape in a d-7
DOES put some unwanted stress on transport of the deck, especially during Ff and
Rew mode! And remember-- Just 'cause MY d-7 has been taking 90 meters with out a
hiccup, DOES NOT mean ANY one else's deck will do the same.
Use at own risk!
~DAVE
From: "Shannon Tompkins" <shan.t@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: ISO D6 analog deck
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:19:59 -0500
I enjoyed chaining my Sony D6 analog deck off my DAT decks when taping live
shows but I traded my D6 for speakers. Now I miss the deck and am searching
for a replacement. Does anyone have a used D6 for sale or know where I
might still find a new D6? I am hoping J&R Music World still carries the
discontinued decks but I don't have a catalog and J&R's online store
currently excludes portables. Thank you much.
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Oh No! Fostex D-5 problem
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:36:31 -0500 (EST)
It's possible that the tapes actually had something written on them
that the Fostex thought was an End-ID. Could it fast forward after
the tapes were rewritten? (Tapes with computer data often fool decks
into thinking they have End-IDs.)
Seth
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: TASCAM DA P1
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:42:03 -0500 (EST)
>I am planning on purchasing a TASCAM P1 this week. The sales man suggested
>to purchase a better portable battery. What is wrong with the TASCAM
>battery? What other brands should I look into?
The Tascam battery doesn't last long enough.
I use Radio Shack high-capacity 7.2v nicads with an external connector
(cut the Tascam's wire, connect mini-XLRs to both sides). The details
are in the archives.
Seth
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Re:Urgent to your Representative
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:45:55 -0800
"Please read; this affects us all:
Congress has declared war on VCR's and PC's. A Clinton administration
bill,
H.R. 2281, containing restrictions on new devices that might be used for
home
recording has moved one step closer to becoming law. This bill would ban
new
generations of VCR's and personal computers with digital copying ability.
NOTE:
It will effectively take away the right of consumers to record in their
homes.
It is URGENT that you do something to stop this bill. Contact your
Representative today and urge them to kill this bill.
For more info, http://www.hrrc.org
Don't say I don't warn you.
Regards,
Klay Anderson
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY"
First let me say Klay I totally respect you for posting stuff like this!
You seem to be the only person who makes this type of stuff available to
the list. Back when I ripped apart all the "Burn your CD ads" (I dare you
people to post similar ads with no restrictions now!!!!)on this list, a
very big point I made in the numerous private emails I had with people were
that there were some serious bills at the time which would endanger our
hobby. Well guess what. They are now law!!!!! Its unfortunate that I
never posted my thoughts on these bills publicly to the list (plenty of
people on this list who had private emails with me will vouch for me
though) but Fucking A people this shit is for real!!! Look into the
future. Gee what's next (I'm fairly certain I know, but will not bring it
up now).
The problem is that we live in an unfair capitalistic society (capitalistic
and unfair go hand in hand and this stems from the basic truth that greed
appears to be an inherent trait in many and since this is inherent in many
I'm not bitching over why its unfair but rather just saying that's just the
way it is which I accept (after all its an inherent trait) Because of the
brainwashed society we live in and the fact that most people either just
don't care (maybe they realize things have gotten out of control so they
just say Fuck It), or just don't think, its not too difficult to continue
making the world less peaceful and more bullshit. Now I realize what I
just said is a completely harsh and was presented in a very extreme way.
BUT WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO IT, ITS THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!
Passing that bill is preventing the progress of technology.
People need to quit worrying about bullshit stuff, being so fucking anal,
and fucking others over.
Hollywood sucks and the only thing movies/TV (other than the Discovery
channel and a very few others)do is teach bullshit and waste people's time
when they should be using their mind (see how everything is a big spiraling
circle, spiraling in the wrong direction that is),
Peter Min (the above are merely *MY* thoughts)
Thank for for the non-directly dat related content(but oh yes this IS
INDEED DAT RELATED).
THATS MY POINT. Everything is interelated and everything affects
everything else.
Higher consiousness.......
From: Jeff Bowen <jbowen@slonet.org>
Subject: WM-D6C
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:28:21 -0800 (PST)
so I'd recommend the WM-D3.
I would not, The D6 is a lot better. I've had mine since early 1988
and taped a lot of shows. My biggest problem with the D3 is you have to
turn the deck over to see both the tape and the level LEDs. The D6 has
them both on the same side. Plus, the D3 is built in two halves and has a
hinge in the middle. I talked to another taper once who told me about how
a D3 came apart in his hands into two pieces. The D3 has No line out.
Only a line in. So it must be used last in any daisy chain arrangement.
The level indicaters glow with the intensity of the audio input on the D6.
I don't think the D3 does this. The lights are either on or off.
Also, I don't think the D3 takes metal tape. I've never owned a D3
but have friends who own them. It Will however make better recordings than
a dictaphone!
> > Hmmm... You're not interested in the BEST analog recorder (which as y'all
> > know, IMNSHO is the PMD-430)
Ha! The D5 is the BEST. The build quality on the 430 & 420 is poor.
They are also hard to service. The 3 heads are it's best feature.
> I've used the WM-D6C regularly with MA-110 tapes and Dolby C.
> They sound great!
Yes. The Dolby C is good but IMO Only good coming off of a soundboard or
other high level source. I've never liked the results using the Dolby C
for audience recordings.
Sorry for the lack of DAT content but I wanted to comment on this.
Thanks,
Jeff
From: Bruce & Kathleen Bruton <bruton1@earthlink.net>
Subject: looking for remote
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:42:05 -0800
Hi all;
I'm trying to locate a remote control for my dat. It's a Sony DTC-A6,
and the remote is a RM-D9
remote commander. If anyone knows where I can get one (other than Sony
preferably as then tend
to charge an arm and a leg) please let me know.
Thanks, Bruce.
From: Olympian90 <Olympian90@aol.com>
Subject: Has anyone experienced this/any idea what is wrong with these?
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:48:46 EST
Hello.
I wanted to post to the digest to see if anyone had experienced any of the
following. I just had my D7 into the shop to have some cleaning/alignment in
January of this year, and everything has been working smoothly, except for a
recent incident. Each time I would try to load a dat tape into the machine,
it would attempt to load, and power itself down. I tried this with a variety
of tapes, and the same thing would occur. I was all ready to return the dat
to get repaired under their 90 day warranty again, but decided to look in the
D7 and moved one of the rollers and one of the rubber rollers, and it's worked
fine since..was it simply a stuck roller?
Secondly, I bought a Sony ES75 secondhand, and all appeared well; however, it
needed to go into the shop for repair for the following items:
1)Even though the indicator light would recognize a 44.1 khz taped item in, it
would freak out and play it, but with digital noise.
2)Things usually played fine, but some tapes would digitally skip all over
right away, and some TDK dat tapes (which I know in general are lousy)
wouldn't even play.
3)Digital clones for the most part played on the D7 and cloned into the ES75
were typically full of digital noise, and analogue to dat items recorded onto
the ES75 would experience the same problems for some, not on others.
I took it into the shop, and they in turn sent it to Sony. I have no idea on
the cost, it'd be nice if anyone has any idea if this sounds like a
head/alignment problem or ???
Finally, I'm looking into buying a cd writer/cdrw drive for the
computer...what brands has everyone had the best experiences/most reliability
with? I know making copies of cd's with the programs provided with the cd
writers are easy, but how difficult is the whole process/what is the process
of recording something onto to cdr from dat or a tape source, when you need to
normalize (I know the program can do this) and clean up hiss, etc. I know
there's a process of turning it into a wav, etc. Any help from the
group/suggestion would be great...
All The Best.
From: love-0nl@wellmet.or.jp (Masato Kato)
Subject: Symphony Orchestra + Organ
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:02:03 +0900
Before going to see Aerosmith at Tokyo Dome, I taped philharmonic
orchestra + organ on March 8. This was my first attempt to record
serious music, and the result was exccelent.
The show was Japan Philharmonic Symphony Orchestra + Keiko
Inoue (organ player) playing the following pieces:
J. S. Bach: Toccata and Fugue in D-Minor BWV. 565
(a) Organ Solo
(b) Orchestrated version by L. Stokowski
Saint-Saens: Cypres et Lauriers, pour orgue et orchestre op. 156
Vierne: Symphonie pour orgue No. 2 op.20 - Premier mouvement: Allegro
Albinoni: Adagio for organ and strings
Lespigi: I Pini di Roma
(encore)
Mascani: Interlude from "Cavaleria Lusticana"
'Cypres et Lauriers' was the very premier performance in Japan.
As this was the stealth recording in the audience, coughs and other
noise by the people around me at some points were unavoidable. I was
as silent as a gravestone, in the fourth row center with a pair of
Sanken COS-11PT's (+ handmade battery box) and Denon DTR-80P.
Is anybody out there who tapes classical music? I am expecially
looking for San Francisco Phil. Orch. + Bob Weir, Phil Lesh in June(?)
96.
Masato Kato
<LOVE-0NL@wellmet.or.jp>
Love Minus Zero/No Limit
From: Wagner One <wagner@teamschoeps.org>
Subject: Re: SxSW Festival
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:13:10 -0500
On 07/25/18 12:00 AM, BILL_HANCE@premier-research.com wrote:
>SxSW Festival
>To <dat-heads@fedney.near.net>
>
> If anyone gets any good tapes of any of the shows, I'd be
>interested in a trade.
>
>:-),
>
> Bill
Who the hell is playing at these shows anyway? It have to be someone
awefully good to get me to go after all this mud slinging surrounding the
event(s)...
Mike
--
Mike Wagner - wagner@teamschoeps.org
A bad Dead show is better than a good day at work...
From: Maurice Maes <maes@natlab.research.philips.com>
Subject: David Patterson
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:07:00 +0100
Is this the address for the DAT heads list?
If so, does anybody know what happened to David Patterson?
He's been honest and generous in the past, but disappeared
a year ago.
maurice
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From: David Julian Price <fwic3360@infoweb.or.jp>
Subject: SONY portables query
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:26:13 +0900
Does anyone know whether the TCD-D7 and D8 sound different? And although =
the D100 has got better mic ICs, does it sound better through line =
inputs? Is it worth the extra over a D8?
From: Mark_Nutter@ceo.cudenver.edu (Mark Nutter)
Subject: RE: Tascam Battery
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:49:18 -0700
>I am planning on purchasing a TASCAM P1 this week. The sales man
suggested
>to purchase a better portable battery. What is wrong with the TASCAM
>battery? What other brands should I look into?
Hi Michael,
I saw your post in Dat-heads and as a long time taper and Tascam user (and
yes, a recording equipment dealer), I can vouch for the lack of
reliability of the internal battery that Tascam supplies with the DA-P1.
This battery may last the intended two hours specified in the manual but
it is unlikely that you will get more than 1.5 hours after a few uses.
DA-P1's are currently in stock for $1320 delivered.
Battery systems like the Eco-Charge BETA run the DA-P1 for 5 hours, are
well built and extremely reliable.
Yes, you can find a somewhat less expensive option and building your own
can save you money. However, many folks find that the Eco-Charge system is
quite a value from Sonic Sense for $249.00 delivered with two five hour
batteries, padded cases, and a full1 Amp charger that will charge your
batteries to full capacity in 3-5 hours. For more details, check out our
website at http://www.henge.com/~sncsns or send us email at
sncsns@henge.com NOT address above please.
We look forward to helping you with all of your recording needs.
Marc
Marc Nutter
Sonic Sense
(303) 698-1296
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