DAT-Heads Digest #114
Contents:
JGB 3-11-82 set 2 wtd (Henry Llach)
Re: Baking Tapes (Mark McHarg)
MDR-D77 Headphones (br930@torfree.net)
ISO: Live Jethro Tull, Fairport Convention (Mike Lenox)
Fwd: FS: Nak CM-300 mics + access (Eric Reichenbach)
Re: Just Say No to Sharpies (Joe Rioux)
Re: low noise mic (Len Moskowitz)
Blank tape after show? (d ginsburg)
Wanted: Sarah McLachlan (Brian Leahy)
90m problem in R300 (Jai Sanders)
Re: CD-R's with long playing time (*Erik*) ("David D. Rogers")
R300 survey results so far/Thanks/Sony DTC-750 (Neil Harnett)
stuff for sale (Brian Cox)
low noise mic (Jean-Luc Bruyelle)
Cable brand (Suggestion needed) (Eric Reichenbach)
realplayer 5 is FREE (Marc Guldimann)
Neumann U87/U89 Questions (daniel.estrin@chadbourne.com)
A few questions about the D100/M1 (DatMan2188)
ISO: NYC-area Taper for James Iha 3/31/98 (Joshua Provost)
FS: mics ("P d L")
From: Henry Llach <sfaxvf@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>
Subject: JGB 3-11-82 set 2 wtd
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:00:30 -0500 (EST)
does anyone out thee have the second set from this show? please eamil me
if you do.
From: Mark McHarg <MGM@symbionics.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Baking Tapes
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:30:03 -0000
LocoBrian@aol.com wrote:
>While playing back the cassettes (which are old cheap Ampex
>tapes) some of them intermittently begin making a high pitched
>screeching sound that comes out of the speakers.
This sounds like "TDK disease" which happens to aged cassettes,
particularly TDKs. In addition to the screech coming out of the
speakers, you can usually turn the volume down and hear the whine of the
tape as it moves.
With old TDK cassettes, this is apparently caused by the bubble sheets
between the tape itself and the shell. As they age, they begin to stick
and bind, so the tape vibrates as it moves.
As the tape vibrates, it causes rapid tiny variations in tape-to-head
speed. What you hear from the physical tape is the vibration of the
tape. What you hear from the speaker is frequency modulation
(intermodulation) due to the variation in tape-to-head speed.
TDK disease can allegedly be cured by opening the cassette and
transplanting the tape reels into a new shell.
Another possibility is that the vibration is due to oxide build-up on
the heads and tape guides, which can also cause sticking and binding.
In my experience, 1980-vintage AMPEX reels are prone to oxide shedding,
so their cassettes might be also.
You can determine if this is the case by cleaning the heads before
playing the tape. You will notice that the high end disappears as oxide
builds up on the heads, preventing good tape-to-head contact. You will
also notice that the heads get quite dirty. (use an unimportant tape
for this test, obviously).
If this is your problem (and it might be) baking might be the solution.
Baking is a temporary cure for degradation of the binder which holds the
oxide on the mylar tape.
The two recipes I received for baking reels are:
>Try this technique (developed by Ampex and Agfa
>engineers) - bake your tapes in a convection oven (not the gas oven in the
>kitchen, not the toaster oven - the heating elements are too intense and can
>damage your tape) at 130 degrees Fahrenheit for 7 hours. This will
restabilize
>the binder that holds the oxide to the mylar for a period of about 2-3 weeks.
>when baking more than one reel, stack them in the
>oven with empty tape hubs between the reels as "spacers", to allow the hot,
dry
>air to circulate freely around the reels.
and
>Baking them for 3-4 hours at 50..65 degrees celsius
>enabled them for playing once.
130 degrees F = 55 degrees C, so the temperature is the same. I don't
know what improvement you might see baking for 7 hours instead of 3.
Someone else suggested the archives on rec.audio.pro for info on baking
tapes.
I suggest that if you bake cassettes that you should then transplant the
tape into a new shell before playing.
Good Luck
Mark
From: br930@torfree.net
Subject: MDR-D77 Headphones
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:54:35 -0500
Folks,
A store here in Toronto is selling the discontinued MDR-D77 for a
ridiculously low price, equivalent to $47 U.S. with tax. These headphones
will fit the WMD-DT1 remote's microplug, and have gotten some favourable
press for their performance. Here's Sony's webpage with specs:
http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/accessories/digitalheadphones/mdr-d
77.html
If anyone would like a pair of these, I'd be happy to help you get them.
The store had about 5 units (of which I'm buying one pair myself), and
indicated that this was a sale price, so if interested, please let me know
ASAP.
Cheers,
Dave
From: Mike Lenox <lenox@swordmicro.com>
Subject: ISO: Live Jethro Tull, Fairport Convention
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:13:27 -0600 (CST)
Always looking for more, of course. 8^)
Please visit my page.
Cheerio...
Mike
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Mike Lenox
Sword Microsystems, Inc.
Huntsville, AL
(205) 772-7545
http://www.swordmicro.com/~lenox/home.html
Time is and illusion; Lunchtime, doubly so.
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From: HALFSTEP@webtv.net (Eric Reichenbach)
Subject: Fwd: FS: Nak CM-300 mics + access
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:24:10 -0500
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I came across this in r.m.gdead.
This would be a great starter package. Not a bad price either.
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From: corbin_krug@quickmail.ucsf.edu (corbin krug)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: FS: Nak CM-300 mics + access
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:45:29 -0800
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Pair of Nakamichi CM-300 microphones
Pair of cp-1 omni capsules
Pair of cp-2 cardioid capsules
Pair of windscreens for above
Pair of cp-4 shotgun attachments with windscreens
Pair of 15' mic cables cables (XLR->1/4")
15' mic stand with T-bar
Equipment has been meticulously cared for; excellent condition. Includes
all original packing, vinyl carrying cases, and documentation. Paid $775
for the mics (will not separate) and $125 for stand/T-bar. $475 for mics
alone, $500 with stand/t-bar, firm, + shipping.
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From: Joe Rioux <jtr@vm.mv.com>
Subject: Re: Just Say No to Sharpies
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:53:37 -0500
> From: Yalk
>
>
> No no no folks! In lots of tests, the acid in the ink eats into the disc over
> a relatively short amount of time. Or, put another way, the solvent leaches
> into the dye layer and poof goes the data.
>
Not that I'm trying to pick nits, but can you quantify this a bit more? Specifically,
tests by whom and how? And what's a "relatively short amount of time"? The
CD's we created and wrote on over a year ago here at work still read fine and 1
year can certainly be considered a short amount of time.
--
j()e
__o
Joe Rioux _ \<,
jtr@vm.mv.com "It's an obsession but it's pleasin'." (_)/ (_)
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From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: low noise mic
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:21:11 -0500 (EST)
William King <wpk@fc.net> wrote:
> I'm looking for a recommendation for a very low noise
> rugged microphone to use with my D8 in recording quiet ambient
> sounds. Any suggestions ?
If you want a miniature microphone set, our High End Binaurals, with the
4060 rather than the 4061 are about as quiet as you can get. They're
also very rugged.
If size isn't a concern and you want the lowest noise possible, consider
the Sennheiser MK-80. As I recall its noise performance is the best
that's available.
Len Moskowitz
Core Sound WWW site: http://www.panix.com/~moskowit
moskowit@panix.com
From: d ginsburg <swilcox@emory.edu>
Subject: Blank tape after show?
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:34:52 -0500 (EST)
Please help me!
i taped a show (or tried to) on my sony D-8. i patched out of a DA-P1 via
coax -> 7pin. during the show, set one appeared to be burning fine. the
levels were running. the DA-P1 sounded good between sets, but i did not
try to listen to mine.
when i got home, my tape of set one was blank. set two came out fine.
the only thing out of the oridnary that happened was that, when i pulled
the tape out of the deck, it got stuck, causing a little bit of the *tape*
itself to pull out of the shell. i fixed it quickly.
Does anyone know why this could happen. and better yet, can anyone tell
me how to get the data off the tape so that i canlisten to it?
any help greatly appreciated
david
From: Brian Leahy <bfl@iol.ie>
Subject: Wanted: Sarah McLachlan
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:40:48 +0000
Would really love copies of Sarah McLachlan masters on DAT and CD-R.
Can trade CD-R in exchange;
No Sarah, but 100's of Jackson Browne, Van Morrison etc etc
See my list at;
http://homepages.iol.ie/~bfl
From: Jai Sanders <jcsiii@bellsouth.net>
Subject: 90m problem in R300
Reply-To: jcsiii@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:21:44 -0600
Has anybody had a problem with an R300 not playing 90m tapes past the
2hr mark.
Mine did fine until last night I got an error warning starting at 1h50m.
It's cycling up to about 30 00 30 00 with very audible results. After
cleaning the heads and turning the machine off for 6hrs I tried a
different tape this morning and I had the same problem.
I am listening to a 60m tape now and it is playing fine.
Anybody got any suggestions or solutions. I don't have immediate access
to another deck.
Jai
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: CD-R's with long playing time (*Erik*)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:55:09 -0800
>From: "erik johansen" <erik8@online.no>
>Subject: CD-R's with long playing time (*Erik*)
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:22:05 +0100
>Anyone know of cd-r's with capacity well over 74 min.
>Any information on the subject is greatly appreciated!
>From reading Adaptec's CD-R list, TDK made an 80-minute disc in very
limited quantities. They stopped making it because of low demand (it cost
$40) and high reliability problems. I'm sure that the recording lasers on
most CD-Rs weren't designed for such a small track width. (Even if some or
most can handle them, probably most or all of the CD-R mechanism
manufacturers didn't have such fragile discs in mind.) I'd imagine that no
one in their right minds would put data on them, and so recording music on
them is also suspect.
FWIW, I've heard that commercial pressings of 80-minute discs are also
problem-prone.
My advice: wait for audio DVD-R or DVD-RW. :)
Peace,
<> David
URL me at http://www.lightlink.com/drogers/
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From: Neil Harnett <nharnett@direct.ca>
Subject: R300 survey results so far/Thanks/Sony DTC-750
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:18:05 -0800
Hi Folks,
Thanks to all that sent me their replies regarding the Sony R300.
It seems that most people are very satisfied with their R300s and that only
a couple (so far) have panned the unit. Bearing in mind that I don't know
of any porduct that gets a 100% thumbs up, this speaks highly of the R300.
However, before I take the plunge, I have come across a used Sony
DTC-750. Does anyone have experience with this unit? Good idea or bad?
Thanks again for the replys. Most appreciated.
Neil
======================
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Marinated Music
nharnett@direct.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada
(604) 536-1091
======================
From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
Subject: stuff for sale
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:21:26 -0600 (CST)
stuff for sale:
SCMS stripper kit (unassembled) with project box and instructions $40
(3) Stewart BPS-1 phantom power boxes (one channel each, runs on 9V) $30/each
1 pair countryman ISOMAX-IIC (cardiod) stealth mics. great sound when
used right. requires 48V phantom, tiny mic, big ass XLR conn.
$200/pair (can be used with two of the BPS-1's above)
1 pair slightly broke core sound omnis, battery box version, w/o battery
box. good for fixerupper mic set, or experimentation. they
just have some bad connections. i didnt want to deal with it so
i bought new ones, but i need to keep my batt box. $40
i need quick money for europe phish plane ticket, so any offers will
be considered.
(also selling this stuff, inquire if you are interested:)
robotron arcade game (full size) $600
nintendo 64 w/doom 64, all boxes $130
guitar, gibson explorer copy w/hardshell case,kahler trem $250
PA, 4 channel powered mixer, pair altec 4x10" speakers $150 (crappy but works)
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From: Jean-Luc Bruyelle <jl_bruyelle@compuserve.com>
Subject: low noise mic
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:20:14 -0500
William King wrote :
>> I'm looking for a recommendation for a very low noise
>> rugged microphone to use with my D8 in recording quiet ambient
>> sounds. Any suggestions ?
A low noise mic will not be low noise any more if you plug it into the mi=
c
input of a D8. You need a good external preamplifier or mixette to achiev=
e
this. Also, what do you call "low noise" ? And "rugged" ? We can't give y=
ou
a proper reply unless you elaborate on what you intend to record.
>> Also, could anyone point me at the specs for the format
>> of the digital data stream recorded to DAT by the D8 ?
Check Ken Pohlman's "Principles of digital audio", published by
McGraw-Hill, ISBN 0-07-050468-7 or 0-07-050469-5 for paperback. Covers ju=
st
about anything regarding digital audio, including the specifics of DAT, C=
D,
AES3 and SP/DIF. The reference in this realm, and a wealth of information=
=2E
Jean-Luc.
From: HALFSTEP@webtv.net (Eric Reichenbach)
Subject: Cable brand (Suggestion needed)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:22:10 -0500
I am looking for a 5' XLR(f)->1/4"(m) cable. With so many brands to
choose from...does anyone have a recommendation. The sole purpose will
be to go from a sbd to an attenuator box. I don't need anything fancy,
e.g. Audio Magic, just something that is rugged and has reliable plugs
on each end.
Thank you.
From: Marc Guldimann <marcg@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: realplayer 5 is FREE
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:26:56 -0500
This was on dat-heads, but I just wanted to make sure that everyone on
moe-L knew that realplayer was free...
here:
http://www.real.com/products/player/downloadrealplayer.html?wp=dl0398page&src=do
wnload
or go to http://www.real.com/products/player/index.html and click on the
first link that just says "Real Player"
and yes, it will work with a cable modem.
marc
>From: Ramy Radmanesh <ramy@nycap.rr.com>
>Subject: moe.
>Reply-To: ramy@nycap.rr.com
>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:43:46 -0500
>
>Howdy,
>
>moe. is doing live cybercast on Fri. evening. It requires Real Audio
>5.0. Can I download this anywhere without having to pay the $30 for it.
>Those of you who have it, is it worth the $30 dollars? Will it work with
>a cable modem?
>
>Thanks,
>Ramy
From: daniel.estrin@chadbourne.com
Subject: Neumann U87/U89 Questions
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 98 16:30:10 -0500
Hey now....Steve Kingsley asked:
>>>>I have a few tapes made with these mic's, they sound sweet,
but I understand there are a few settings you can use, omni,
card, hypercard, fig 8, ect...<<<
U87 = Omni, Card, Figure 8 (I think)
U89 = Omni, subcard (wide angle card), card, hypercard, figure 8
(I know ;)
>>>My question is, to those of you who run them,... What settings
do you prefer?... What would YOU use in a taper section, as
opposed to fob, ect.<<<
>From the tapers section I use hypercards with the U89s. In clubs
and theaters I've been running them cardioid. I may experiment
with the subcard at the ABB tomorrow (Friday) night. I'm
personally and generally not a fan of omnis indoors, but I'd
certainly run them split omni up front at an outdoor show given
the right set of circumstances. Anyone who is familiar with
these mics knows that they are not that easy to be stealthy with.
>>>Is there anything that would be a dead giveaway as to what
setting was used? Is there any time you would actually use fig.
8? I'm just trying to narrow it down as to what settings may
have been used on these tapes out of curiosity. If I had to
guess, Omni on a tall stand, Hyper for all else?
I'd be grateful if someone would shed some light my way.<<<<
Well, the only way to tell fer sure imo would be to ask the
taper. Especially if all of the other equipment used is a
variable. Are these recent shows? Older shows? On the
Fall/Holiday 97 phish tour, all of the U87 tapes that I'm aware
of were recorded from the TS with the cardioid setting (can Gary
F. and Bill G., confirm?). All of the U89 recordings were
recorded from the TS with the hypercard setting (into a
sonosax->sbm->P1). As for the figure 8 setting, I guess this
would be useful for running a Mid-Side matrix.
Shalom,
Daniel Estrin
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inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned,
everywhere is war. -- Bob Marley, a true prophet (quoting Haile
Sellasie)
From: DatMan2188 <DatMan2188@aol.com>
Subject: A few questions about the D100/M1
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:09:32 EST
Hey guys,
I was wondering if anybody could help me out with a few answers to a few
questions about the D100/M1 portables from Sony.
1. Can the light be turned ON/OFF with the HOLD button ON?
2. Is the recording level active (adjustable) with HOLD on? like the D7/8.
3. Does the D100/M1 have an ON/OFF switch, or does it power down like the
D7/8?
4. Do they have gold plated I/O's? not that it really matters much.
5. Is the 7pin digital I/O plug the same as the D7/8? Can i use the same cable
for each deck?
6. How far does the door open? Can you give me approximate dimensions when the
deck is open. Are the D100/M1 the same size?
I want to know if i can open it and change tapes without it leaving my pouch.
I can bearly do it with my D7, but much too risky for a misload to do it under
live conditions.
Thanks for your time.
DJ
From: Joshua Provost <joshprovost@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: NYC-area Taper for James Iha 3/31/98
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:17:01 -0800 (PST)
Smashing Pumpkin James Iha will be playing his first big solo show
3/31/98 at the Mercury Lounge in New York. It will be a 21+ show.
Tickets will be scarce, so act fast!
If you are able to tape this show, please email me in advance at
joshprovost@yahoo.com. Please include a list of your gear. I have
lots of SP and other DAT's to trade.
==
Joshua Provost
joshprovost@yahoo.com
http://www.starla.org/
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From: "P d L" <pdelima@future.dreamscape.com>
Subject: FS: mics
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:26:33 +0000
For sale: one pair Microtech Gefell M300 cardioid condenser mics
I purchased these mics (new) in February 1997. They have been treated
very gently (ie never dropped, gotten wet etc) and are in excellent
condition. Each mic comes with its own wooden jewel box.. For more
technical info, please go to this site:
http://www.microtechgefell.com/microphones/m300/m300.htm
I would like $775.00 for the pair - buyer to pay all shipping , COD
etc. I live in Syracuse, NY.
Thanks,
Paul
pdelima@dreamscape.com
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