DAT-Heads Digest #122
Contents:
MERL Taping @ "The Rave" in Milwaukee 4/3/98 (Scott/Deb McPherrin)
extra Charlie Hunter Pound for Pound DAT (Joshua Devins)
The $1,000,000 Sharpie Solution (Seasob)
DooDah Trees Open Tree Annoucement ("Ken, the DooDah Man")
stand alone CDR (Greg Hanssen)
Ratdog 3/30/98 (JG)
selfmade EQ - circuit diagrams - crossover instructions ?? (Daniel Dobert)
for sale: set of Coresound Cardioid mic (Torr Leonard)
GROVEL, GROVEL, GROVEL (Toby Germano)
re: u87/u89 taper section ("Jake Hall")
Quick question regarding DAT>>Analog (Paul K Colomb)
looking for AT 4033 owners ("Clark D. Ritchie")
ANOTHER DooDah Trees Open Tree Annoucement ("Ken, the DooDah Man")
Re:Digest #119 / How to stealth? (sorry, no secrets reveled) (Brent5552)
Newbie.....questions (SANDMAN794)
Matrix Mic Position (zac bolan)
Spoon Feeding Time (SFT)....... (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
"The problem nowadays is that Internet has changed everything." (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
** New web site listing NYC concerts (Wazoo126)
Extra PJ's / Site address / Run a tree or vine? (JProcopi)
Taping summary of last weekend. (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
From: Scott/Deb McPherrin <hippies@frontiernet.net>
Subject: MERL Taping @ "The Rave" in Milwaukee 4/3/98
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:04:29 +0000
hey thanks alot to all who helped with this little problem i was
having...
have recieved some great help from you guys (and one really
snotty reply "analyzing" my post on this list which i thought was very
rude and
insulting and not even to the point from "pete")...and believe i will go
to the
show now and tape...feeling much better about all this now!...
i guess i may have to do some running around to get my stuff in
the door...but it sounds like everything will work out for the
best...now after all
this trouble, the damn tape had better turn out! ;)
thanks again to all except "pete"...
peace,
scott
>
>
From: Joshua Devins <fjackie@erols.com>
Subject: extra Charlie Hunter Pound for Pound DAT
Reply-To: fjackie@erols.com
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:12:24 -0800
Hey there,
I have an extra DAT of both sets of Charlie Hunter's Pound for Pound
from the Knitting Factory's Old Office in NY, 2-23-98. The Source is
from Eric V's setup (B&K 4021>Apogee AD-1000), and is on a 90m unlabeled
Maxell. I am looking for TJ Kirk, the Greyboy Allstars, Galactic, Zony
Mash, Will Bernard, John Schott, or West Coast Pound for Pound shows in
return.
-Josh
From: Seasob <Seasob@aol.com>
Subject: The $1,000,000 Sharpie Solution
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:34:08 EST
To avoid those acid-burning Sharpies eating thru your CDR data, your rug &
your floor, how about using an Extra-Fine-Point Sharpie....on the inside clear
plastic part of the disc, around the spindle-hole? A steady hand and
swivelling handiwork will end your troubles!
I should get royalties for publishing breakthroughs like that.
Cheers!
Keith
From: "Ken, the DooDah Man" <ken@webjams.com>
Subject: DooDah Trees Open Tree Annoucement
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:33:08 -0600
Hey now.
DooDah Trees "Tree Farm Forest" (dedicated to top-notch, up and coming
taper-friendly bands) has just opened a new tree featuring The Big Wu.
These guys do a superfine job on Dead songs, and have a killer selection of
their own of the same flavor.
The show was 11.19.97 at the Cabooze in Minneapolis, MN. The tape is a
dSBD/Sennheiser matrix that is super fine.
Leif Rasmussen of The Jones Gang sits in on percussion, which adds a nice
dimension to this show.
Signups for permanent and temporary, DAT and analog, branch and leaf
members will be gladly accepted.
Come and join the largest tape tree ever...with over 1,200 members. DooDah
Trees is admin'd by DooDah Code, a custom program that guarantees that
every member gets the show (how novel)!!
To join go to our web site at http://www2.netdoor.com/~kensorce and take
the link to DooDah Trees. Scroll down to "The Jungle", take the Tree Farm
link and click on the band's name.
...and keep on truckin' on...
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From: Greg Hanssen <hanssen@netcom.com>
Subject: stand alone CDR
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:26:30 -0800 (PST)
Some stand alone CDR units with 'resampling' also perform a
44.1kHz -> 44.1kHz resampling.. this would cause the data to change from
DAT->CDR dupes at 44.1. I've heard that some stand alone units have a
44.1kHz pass-through mode, to overide the built in SRC, but many do not.
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From: JG <slipknot@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Ratdog 3/30/98
Reply-To: slipknot@bellatlantic.net
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:42:24 -0500
I have an extra ticket for the 3/30 Ratdog show at the Landmark Theatre
in Syracuse. Will be driving up from Phila. Looking for someone to share
the ride with. Planning on taping the show, you are welcome to come
along, taper or not, ticket is going at face value. E-mail me privately:
slipknot@bellatlantic.net
From: Daniel Dobert <Daniel@full-moon.com>
Subject: selfmade EQ - circuit diagrams - crossover instructions ??
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:07:28 +0100
Hello everybody out there...
I was looking for some circuit diagrams (and instructions) on how to
build my own 10-band EQ on the Internet but didn't really find what I
was looking for. Has anybody of you some suggestions or URLs where to
look?
Then I was also without luck looking for some detailed instructions on
how to build a crossover (for stage-equipment, 200W, 16 Ohms ...) - any
ideas where to find such things (or even sites with many electronic
do-it-yourself stuff)?
Thanks for any help - I will gladly post some details if needed,
Daniel.
From: Torr Leonard <hebtv@rocketmail.com>
Subject: for sale: set of Coresound Cardioid mic
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:24:33 -0800 (PST)
For sale:
Core Sound Stealth Cardioid Microphone Set.
+ battery box
Only ever used a few times.
Great recordings were made, no troubles, but out of the hobby now.
Mail personally if interested.
Asking $200 (counting shipping)
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From: TGermano@webtv.net (Toby Germano)
Subject: GROVEL, GROVEL, GROVEL
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:34:23 -0800
I'm desperately looking for the recent Corgan/James Iha solo sets in
L.A. A recent trade gave me an unlistenable copy!
Thanks!
Toby Germano
http://www.inergy.com/Tobison
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From: "Jake Hall" <jahall@rockbridge.net>
Subject: re: u87/u89 taper section
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:37:43 -0500
I would personally like to shake the hand of anyone who has successfully
run AKG 414's up front at a show where FOB is kinda tricky (a la Phish). Of
couse, I'd also like to hear the tape :)
BTW...I'd take a Porche 957 (or 911 S) and drive it everywhere I went.
>i have had a few folks post/write to insist that they have smoking taper
>section tapes made on u87/u89s....obviously we all have different
>definitions of what a "hot" recording is....my suggestion is compare any
>FOB tape to any taper section tape made on these large diaphrams
>mics.....the FOB will be a tape of the music, the TS tape will be a tape of
>the music in the hall, bouncing around the room (pun intended). you cannot
>change this, it is a simple fact of physics. some mixes sound better than
>others in the diffuse sound field, but you are still getting a diffuse
>sound field mix, which is NEVER as accurate as a near sound field mix. why
>do you think these large diaphram mics are designed to be used for voice
>and vocals and close micing?
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From: bluewaterbaboonfarm@juno.com (Paul K Colomb)
Subject: Quick question regarding DAT>>Analog
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:49:06 -0600
if i am sending someone analog blanks for him to do DAT>>Analog for me is
it best to send Type IV Metal bias tapes?
thanks
Paul
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From: "Clark D. Ritchie" <ihomebrew@bigfoot.com>
Subject: looking for AT 4033 owners
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:09:02 -0800
I'm thinking of putting together a mini-FAQ for Audio Technica 4033
mics. Any 4033 owners out there interested in contributing? Every
venue ushers in a new set of issues and it'd be nice to have a little
advice on your side when deciding whether to run w/ -10db pad, w/o
rolloff, mic positioning, outdoors, FOB, etc. Thanks... CDR
Clark D. Ritchie
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From: "Ken, the DooDah Man" <ken@webjams.com>
Subject: ANOTHER DooDah Trees Open Tree Annoucement
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:21:14 -0600
Hey now.
Busy weekend :)
The "Oldies Forest" just opened tree #16. This is a double oldies whammy.
Pink Floyd 11.16.74 @ Wembely Empire Pool, England
PLUS
Led Zepplin 8.31.69 @ Int'l Pop Festival, Dallas, TX
The sound quality is amazingly good on both of these. So come and jump
into a time capsule and get these super oldies classics.
Signup for permanent and temporary, DAT and analog, branches and leaves is
now open. Go to our web site at http://www2.netdoor.com/~kensorce and take
the link to DooDah Trees. Scroll down to "The Jungle", take the link to
the "Oldies Forest" and then click on the bands name
Come join the largest tape tree ever, with over 1,200 members, that's
admin'd by DooDah Code...a custom program that guarantees every member gets
the show.
And keep on Truckin' on....
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From: Brent5552 <Brent5552@aol.com>
Subject: Re:Digest #119 / How to stealth? (sorry, no secrets reveled)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:14:13 EST
In a message dated 98-03-15 14:13:08 EST, you write:
<< From: Paul Cho <pc132@columbia.edu>
Subject: How To Stealth?
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:28:20 -0500 (EST)
Hello all,
A couple of months ago, somebody asked if people would explain to him what
is the best method to stealth shows. I guess because of the secretive
nature of stealthing, nobody posted their answer to the list.
Well, I just recently got a pair of CSB's and I was hoping there would be
a few of you that would enlighten me on good stealth techniques.
*******Well i suppose i could put out a few general procedures. Get up close
to the stage. Make sure all is working before the band hits the stage. Taping
with Binaural mics you need to keep from looking around, within reason of
course. it does make a difference with large movement. look like your having
fun, don't stand like a statue trying not to disturb the L>R, R>L movement.
Practice and experience, you can read about it till your blue in the face, but
all your real knowledge will come from doing it over and over again, making
sure to learn from your mistakes. It' ll be the most fun you've ever had.
A coupla questions?
--Where do you place the mics?
I'm figuiring in a hat, but what about the wires that stick out
and go out of the hat? Any remedies?
*******Well since you have the CSB mics which have a mini-gator clip, the
first place is a hat, but you can experiment with placment with the gator
clip. When i use CSB's i simply clip em to my hat.
As for the wires........A collar'd shirt, a hat, run them down your neck under
your shirt.
If ya still feel paranoid you can get one of those *ponytail* hats.
--How about setting levels?
The infamous blue beacon must be dealth with. (Sony D8)
********I set my levels around 6db>4db max peaks with my D7.
Auto window tint on a clear plastic sheet, or, Alex Sloley posted recently
that he had small sheets that adhere with static.
--Exactly when and where do you set up?
Bathroom?
*******When: inside, Where: Bathroom. Some walk in set up.
That's it, thanks in advance!
Paul
>>
*******No prob. --D
From: SANDMAN794 <SANDMAN794@aol.com>
Subject: Newbie.....questions
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:10:07 EST
DAT-Heads,
I am looking into purchasing some live taping equipment. I want to start
contributing some live "Westcoast" shows! My main concern is $$$$. It may
take a while to afford a great DAT setup. Is analog an setup ok to start out
with? I've heard Sony's WM-D6C is a good analog recorder. I understand this
is a DAT mailing list but, I was hoping analog taping is discussed at times.
Can I get quality recordings from the D6C? If so, what type of mics are
recommended for this rig? If the info is right, I can get a D6C for about
half the cost of a D100. Any suggestions? Thanks.
From: zac bolan <zbolan@zbolan.com>
Subject: Matrix Mic Position
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:53:46 -0600
Hi Y'all,
made my first matrix recording last night in a small hall (200 seats). I
ran a SBD feed (stereo) and my Beyer CK713(c) mics into a Mackie 1404
mixer, down to 2 channels, then out to my DA-P1. The hall has very nice
acoustics and my mics were about 50-60 feet back from the stage. The
players are traditional Irish music performers (happy St. Patrick's Day!)
- Beginish. Their instruments are all fairly high pitched. The music
sounds fine but when the players speak between songs, there's a
discernable echo. Obviously this is due time delay in the sound hitting
the mics, mixing with the immediate signal from the board. What do other
matrix tapers do the avoid this echo? Surely they all can't get mics up
on (or close to) the stage. Is there some way to delay the board signal a
bit without investing a million bux?
thanx
zac
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Spoon Feeding Time (SFT).......
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:18:20 -0800
Scott, WRT this list, what I am all about is dat taping and trading(and
technical stuff too, helping others, dogging people who deserve to be
dogged, an open environment where anyone out there who has a dat-related
question no matter how simple or complex (I was the one who always asked
the "stupid" questions in class BTW) can ask. I hate people who are
condescending, have a bad attitude and just think they are the shit (for
all practical purposes, taping is Candyland and some people just get this
attitude I can't deal with). Anything that is pro "dat taping and trading"
I am for. Anything that endangers our hobby, I am against. Why? Because
I'm a taper. I love to tape. It brings me happiness, etc, etc, etc.
For our hobby to prosper in the future, I feel that my way of viewing the
whole "scene" is ESSENTIAL!!! (I realize/hope that most of you probably
see this anyways). Remember when I said "everything is interelated and
affects everything else". Guess what? I meant it (surprise).
When I see crap like the following....
"heard this place was a real hell hole anyway...probably not
missing much acoustic wise...thought i'd save any of you a trip to the
show if your main reason for going was taping..."
I *will*go*off*on*whoever*wrote*it*. I'm not attacking you personally, but
just pointing out that what was written, is SOME SERIOUS NEGATIVE SHIT(as
opposed to the good stuff :-). SHIT that is clearly bad for our hobby (in
case you've forgotten "everything is interelated and affects everything
else").
I will do everything in my power (constuctive posting, emphasizing (YES
Eric, that may mean REPOSTING other's warm fuzzy posts -- sorry to make you
scroll for a split second longer), dog people, etc to keep the dat scene
"cool".
A lot of knowledgeable people have left this list. Do you think there were
reasons why? I'd love to attract some of them back and I'm just trying to
clean up this list(trust me I HATE PLAYING COP!!!!), and keep our hobby
healthy and alive and kicking like it deserves to be. Your last post
didn't help the cause. Therefore I went off.
Pete (sorry for having to point this out, I realize most of you got the
point the first time around).
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: "The problem nowadays is that Internet has changed everything."
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:31:37 -0800
So that's what Keith Roberts of the Young Dubliners has to say. Like
myself, many of you have realized this for a while now. This is just one
of the reasons why a positive mentality on this list is important to the
future of DATing......
Pete (did I tell you that everything is interelated and affects everything
else?)
From: Wazoo126 <Wazoo126@aol.com>
Subject: ** New web site listing NYC concerts
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:32:45 EST
Hi everyone, I've set up a web site to keep track of all the quality shows
coming through New York City. If you like rock, jazz, bluegrass, etc. then
check it out at:
http://members.aol.com/wazoo126/index.htm
From: JProcopi <JProcopi@aol.com>
Subject: Extra PJ's / Site address / Run a tree or vine?
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:56:24 EST
Hola,
I have two extra copies of Pearl Jam 10/02/96 Hartford, CT.
The source is SBD. They are each on 90 meters and have
a neat filler on them. Ideally, you would have the PHiSH
11/29/97 "Runaway Jim show" on the Neumann U87's (T.S.).
Is that a bad thing? :)
However, in the event that this isn't possible I am willing to
let the tapes go for the less glamorous B+P.
Lastly, for those who have traded with me, please update
your bookmarks for my site from "FTP" to:
http://members.aol.com/jprocopi
Even if we haven't met, you are more than welcome to stop
by.
And finally, I'm opening up my list for anyone who'd like to
do a little vining or treeing. B+P, you must turn the tapes around
though (in either the DAT or analog domain). See ya' folks!
John
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Taping summary of last weekend.
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:58:36 -0800
Erik,
Please pass this on to the band. First let me thank you for giving me
the privilege/opportunity to tape you guys. I really appreciate it & I
love your music!!!
Anyways let's cut to the chase.
3-13. (Friday the 13th--got two parking tickets for the same thing --one
at like 11 PM the 13th and the other for like 12:06 AM the 14th (an hour
later!)--can you believe that shit -- and they're not cheap). Anyways
sorry about that sidenote, its just that lately I've been fed up with a lot
of stuff.
Anyways -- I go to a lot of concerts. I (like to think) I know a smokin
show when I see one. You guys were *ON*FIRE* Friday! The tape. To make a
long story short, I'm an anal as heck taper(most dat tapers are). If its
not perfect and the reason its not perfect is my fault I get bummed (but
taping is a learning experience and I learn from past mistakes). While the
tape is listenable and sounds good, the low end is somewhat muddied and
sometimes distorted (really not major but nevertheless still there). I
should have had the mics going line in instead of mic in. I also should
have pushed the levels significantly more (I usually slam levels but for
whatever reason I was being Mr. Conservative that night--ended up setting
my record level knob to a mere 2.3 out of 10 which (I now learned) is not
good in this situation, I think it caused a slight overload of the mic
preamp which caused the minor distortion)Basically that tape, had I gone
line-in had the potential to be scary. The sound was incredible where I
had my rig set up and you guys could do no wrong. I'm bummed. Had I gone
line in I think the sound would have been absolutely frightening. (There's
a reason why I chose to go mic in before the show even started but that's
another story, it has to do with differences which have recently developed
in my mics). I may look into whether its possible to "improve" the sound
by post processing and if so I'll let you know and send the newer version.
3-14-98. Another great show! I ran the same rig like I did Fri (this time
taking Fri's experiences into account and now going line in -- I
compensated for mic differences by placing the lesser sensitive of the two
by a loud speaker). Tape turned out nice but a tad low on sax and vocals.
The mix I did (first time) turned out really nice. Send me an address and
I will send the tape. I think you and the band will like really like it!
Also I saw that you will be touring with Ben Harper shortly . At Sat's
show I gave Karl a copy of your Fri show as well as a Ben Harper tape I
made. I hope you and the band like the Ben tape(I think everyone will).
If possible, share it with Ben. I was gonna personnally give him a copy
the last time I saw him but I never really got a chance--he was busy being
bombarded with stupid questions by the media (I sat at the table just below
where they were asking the stupid questions). Ben Harper and the Innocent
Criminals are my favorite current group. He has a *MESSAGE* like no other.
Crank it LOUD!!! I hope you like it.
Take care and thanks again.
Peter Min
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