DAT-Heads Digest #124
Contents:
cdrs (JOE)
DAT tapecovers? (Jsemmler)
Stash Post Phish Show Party 4/2(NDC) ("pat k")
FoB vs Taper's Section and SRC's on standalone CD recoders (Jeffrey Silberman- SurroundWorks(tm))
CDR reaction to computer ink???? ("Nate DeRose")
Rewind tapes? (Gary Strauss)
anyone have a/c adaptor for d-3 (Greg Bossong)
Resampling (Yalk)
I Wanna Do It Myself! (Yalk)
Re: Audio Alchemy DAC In The Box ("Bill Bender")
Slap Slap Delay Delay (Yalk)
DA30 and 90m tapes (Barryblade)
stealthing with large diaphram mics (Barryblade)
Oktava MK012 condensor mic (Scott Daley)
Are the 7-11-70 tapes masters or 1st gen? (Dave)
Fostex D5 & The DAT Store (Jesse Lackey)
Labeled Maxell's -- A true story...... (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
ISO: 8.6.89 DEAD ("* <" )
Dtc 690 sony Problems ("Francine O'Claire")
D-Cell Battery Pack for the D8 (Paul Cho)
ABB, DMB, KBE, DDS, DMA, PhD ("Eric C. Honour, Jr.")
ARU 7/7/92 Burlington, VT - in search of (Boxcephus)
From: JOE <JOE@zyscovich.com>
Subject: cdrs
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 15:20:00 -0500
Im new to this group, so i dont know if this is the right place to post
this, but im looking for information for making cdrs. i have a burner, and
have made a cdr from an anolog tape (Ive already been given the elitist
lecture on why the quality isnt as good, but i dont have a DAT yet, and want
to trade cdrs) anyways, i got some noise, i think because of the connection,
but was wondering if anyone had advise on what would be the cleanest way to
do this. Im also looking for some good cdr shareware as i only have the
crappy program that came w/ my burner, and have been informed that the
software has a lot to do with the success rates of burning cdrs.
thanks in advance Joe
P.S. if this is not the right forum for this question please let me know,
and tell me what is the right forumn.
From: Jsemmler <Jsemmler@aol.com>
Subject: DAT tapecovers?
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:10:55 EST
Looking for any Dead or Phish DAT tapecover templates so if you
have any you could pass my way email me at Jsemmler@aol.com
jjs
From: "pat k" <hoobash@hotmail.com>
Subject: Stash Post Phish Show Party 4/2(NDC)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:37:04 PST
I'm sorry for the lack of dat Content, But i've put together a After
Show Party featuring Stash at Longshore Brewery Thursday April,2. All
tapers are welcome at Longshore. I'll also be doing some more taper
freindly bands on Long Island in the future under the name "Long Island
Orginal Music Network". Thanks and back to the dat talk.
Stash After Show Party:
http://dijon.nais.com/~supamaki/shows.htm
Long Island Orginal Music Network:
http://dijon.nais.com/~supamaki/
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From: Jeffrey Silberman- SurroundWorks(tm) <ambisonx@well.com>
Subject: FoB vs Taper's Section and SRC's on standalone CD recoders
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:03:17 -0800 (PST)
The Marantz 620 allows one to bypass the SRC whaen the source is 44.1kHz
unlike the Pioneer/Otari/Tascam models on the market. Whether one can hear
the resampling of 44.1 > 44.1 is academic since I bought the 620 because it
has a wired remote control with level meters, etc.
As far as FOB vs. taper's section, there is a little notion called the
critical distance which is defined as that point in a room where the direct
sound and the indirect(reflected) sound are equal. Within that radius, the
polar patterns of mics (i.e, cardioid, supercardioid, etc) function; beyond
that distance, they are useless in terms of their uni-directivity. A PA is
designed to deliver direct sound to every seat in the house so as to mask
the inherent room acoustics- usually awful. This can't be achieved with a
PA at the stage since the people in the front of the hall will go deaf for
the sake of the people in the rear of the house. So at some point in the
hall- where is impossible to know for sure- the critical distance is
exceeded. Every Taper's section I have been in have been well beyond that
point which I have always refused to tape there. On those rare occassions
where a PA is run in stereo, FOB taping will preserve the stereo mix whereas
the sound that reaches the Taper's section loses much of its stereophony.
A stereo mix is far more dynamic than a monoish one. Of course, one has to
have the proper mic tenhnique even FOB in order to ensure stereo.
Taper's sections are for suckers. The best tapes are not made
there.
From: "Nate DeRose" <nated@earth.goddard.edu>
Subject: CDR reaction to computer ink????
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:23:08 EST
Alrighty.. there's been all this talk about Sharpie ink eating into
the CDR die.....
What about Inkjet ink??
I print out CDR labels on my printer, and stick 'em to my CDRs.....
would this ink eat into the die?
Any input anyone?
Cheers,
nate
From: Gary Strauss <mail40108@pop.net>
Subject: Rewind tapes?
Reply-To: mail40108@pop.net
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:37:17 +0000
I've always been under the impression that you shouldn't eject tapes in
the middle of the tape, that it is better to rewind them after each
use. However, lots of times I'll listen to a tape for an hour or so,
rewind it, and then when I come back home, fast forward to that spot and
continue listening. I've been thinking that is putting a lot of wear
and tear on my deck and maybe it's a better idea to just eject the tape
and then put it back in when I come back home.
Any thoughts?
Gary
From: Greg Bossong <gboss@voicenet.com>
Subject: anyone have a/c adaptor for d-3
Reply-To: gboss@voicenet.com
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:13:37 -0500
subject says it. Anyone have a working one? Mine makes clicks on the
analog output. I've narrowed it down to the adaptor. (BTW anyone know
what sony would charge for a new one?
From: Yalk <Yalk@aol.com>
Subject: Resampling
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:31:34 EST
From: Greg Hanssen <hanssen@netcom.com>
Subject: stand alone CDR
offered up:
<<Some stand alone CDR units with 'resampling' also perform a
44.1kHz -> 44.1kHz resampling.. this would cause the data to change from
DAT->CDR dupes at 44.1. I've heard that some stand alone units have a
44.1kHz pass-through mode, to overide the built in SRC, but many do not.>>
Agreed. The HHb SRC does a pass-through at 44.1. So, now that we have all
the 'heads nervous, Greg, let's talk about the fact that I'll bet one could
perhaps measure a difference in sonic quality resampling from 48 to 44.1 from
an x-generation clone of the '96 SLC Dead show, but could one *hear* it?
Regards,
Klay Anderson
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: Yalk <Yalk@aol.com>
Subject: I Wanna Do It Myself!
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:34:20 EST
Daniel Dobert <Daniel@full-moon.com>
Subject: selfmade EQ - circuit diagrams - crossover instructions ??
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:07:28 +0100
innocently asked:
<<I was looking for some circuit diagrams (and instructions) on how to
build my own 10-band EQ on the Internet but didn't really find what I
was looking for. Has anybody of you some suggestions or URLs where to
look? >>
Go to a well-stocked public library and look through back issues of Popular
Electronics, Electronics Now and the like. They have these articles
frequently. Also look for electronic project books from Sams and such.
Regards,
Klay Anderson
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: "Bill Bender" <bender@indev.com>
Subject: Re: Audio Alchemy DAC In The Box
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:34:18 -0600
> Dave <scarletfire@erols.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings: I have a chance to get a great deal on either a new Audio
> Alchemy DAC In The Box or their Digital Decoding Engine v1.1 (with PS3).
You should be aware that the "great" deal is because Audio Alchemy is
out of business. I just bought a DITB a few weeks back for $109 (with
power supply).
> Has anyone had any experience with either of these units? Good? Bad?
I use mine primarily for monitoring the digital out from the ZA2 card in my
DAW while editing, since the ZA2's analog outs leave a lot to be desired.
It works great for this purpose.
> Is the DDE really a lot better than the DITB? Are they worth it as far
> as being much better than the DAC that's in your DAT deck already? I
> have a Sony consumer deck and a Fostex D-5 and I'm not sure if it would
> make much of a difference.
Can't vouch for the DDE, and haven't done a direct comparison of the DITB
vs. the D/A in my DAT machines, but I would be willing to bet that there is
a noticeable improvement in sound quality. How "noticeable" is open to
debate.
IMHO for a hundred bucks or so it's worth a shot.
Bill Bender
bender@indev.com
From: Yalk <Yalk@aol.com>
Subject: Slap Slap Delay Delay
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:40:33 EST
zac bolan <zbolan@zbolan.com>
Subject: Matrix Mic Position
asked asked:
<< The music sounds fine but when the players speak between songs, there's a
discernable echo. Obviously this is due time delay in the sound hitting
the mics, mixing with the immediate signal from the board. What do other
matrix tapers do the avoid this echo? Surely they all can't get mics up
on (or close to) the stage. Is there some way to delay the board signal a
bit without investing a million bux?>>
The the problem problem with with bad bad sounding sounding venues venues is
is the delay delay of of the the house house sound sound in in the the room
room.
It is tough to correct this with any fidelity, as delaying times can get quite
high, based on abut a millisecond per foot. Cheap delays sound like shit.
They have no frequency response and are typically quite noisy.
Regards,
Klay Anderson
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: Barryblade <Barryblade@aol.com>
Subject: DA30 and 90m tapes
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:04:59 EST
I've tried on five or six DA30s to use 90m tapes that work fine on all of my
decks (DA20, 60ES, HHb portadat). The error code 3 comes up once the tape is
loaded. Will the DA30 not use 90m tapes?
From: Barryblade <Barryblade@aol.com>
Subject: stealthing with large diaphram mics
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:12:15 EST
No stealth taper with any sense is going to use a mic like the U87/89 b/c of
their size, and inability to hide. Try fitting a pair in a hat or hand-holding
a t-bar with a pair, and you will understand. Such mics are best suited for
studio use (vocals or orchestra recordings) and are a complete waste of money
to capture more boom in the back of poor sounding arenas at Phish shows.
From: Scott Daley <sldaley@pogo.com>
Subject: Oktava MK012 condensor mic
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:24:18 -0800
Deryl Voutila (deryl.voutila@gecapital.com) has been selling Oktava
MK012 mics for some time now at $300 a set, although I understand he may
have to raise the price soon. A set consists of one preamp and 3
capsules (an omni, a hyper cardnoid and a super cardnoid) along with a
small wood box. I bought a pair (2 sets) a while back and love them. I
know another recording engineer that has 14 of them! Also, Deryl has
been good to work with.
By the way, there was a rumor a while back that the Oktava company had
gone out of business, but apparently it was one of the other
distributors who stopped selling the mic. It seems that Oktava is still
alive and well in Russia and makes a number of other items besides
microphones.
From: Dave <scarletfire@erols.com>
Subject: Are the 7-11-70 tapes masters or 1st gen?
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:48:47 -0500
Jim Powell wrote:
> From: Jim Powell <chimpowl@well.com>
> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:16:35 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: [none]
> Kenny writes (of his tapes of 7/11/70)
>> Please bear in mind that these are low quality audience tapes with
>>audible
>> audience conversations. But all things considered, they're quite
>> listenable for this type of recording.
> It's certainly true that this master has more audience noise and hall
>ambience than you'd find on some Dead tapes from the 80s,
I think Kenny said that his tapes are actually 1st gen reel to reel
copies of the master reels which are in the possession of the original
taper - who was a friend of his. Right?
Doesn't really matter of course - it would be really great to get this
show!
That's about all,
Dave Sorochty
From: Jesse Lackey <jesse@lightlink.com>
Subject: Fostex D5 & The DAT Store
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:06:05 -0500
> I recently bought a Fostex D-5, and was playing only about my 11th tape in
> the deck,when the deck ate the tape. The drive would not open to release
> my tape, and sent it back to the Dat store where I bought the deck for
> replacement, under 30 days. I was told, rather forcefully, that the
> problem was I was using the wrong tapes, data grade instead of audio grade.
I bought a D5 from the DAT Store about a year ago, it has been very
reliable. Almost all the tapes I use are DDS. It looks like the DAT Store,
which ordinarily gets good marks on DAT-HEADS, is being ridiculous. Nowhere
in the manual does it say to only use Audio grade tapes. There is no way
that the use of properly manufactured DDS tapes could cause it to fail to
unload. Your problem is that the D5 you have is defective. The DAT Store
stating that the problem is using DDS tapes indicates they are either
stunningly clueless technically (considering the business they are in) or are
unwilling to take responsibility for the equipment they sell.
Jesse
--
Jesse Lackey, Ithaca, NY my personal page: http://www.lightlink.com/jesse
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Labeled Maxell's -- A true story......
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:13:47 -0800
With all the constant talk about labeled vs. unlabeled dats, I just
thought I'd pass on my experience with my first ever purchased (as opposed
to receiving in trade)labeled Maxell's. Keep in mind this is "just for
fun" and means nothing. Nevertheless its true. So I just bought my first
ever LABELED Maxells. As far as unlabeled/Apple
labeled/wangdats/HP/mountain/conner/GE/etc/etc/etc(you know the kind that
some people seem to believe are inferior), I've been through probably about
700 of them and the only problem I ever had was twiceish I got some which
were snapped to begin with (one was a new unlabeled Maxell and once or
twice I received once used HPs which were snapped).
To make a long story short, there is a split second glitch in the
master(which I believe to be due to a bunk spot in the tape itself) at the
14 minute mark of set one of the Greyboy Allstars from 3-14. This was only
the 2nd time I have ever mastered with Labeled Maxells(the first being the
night before). I knew all along that those labeled Maxells were inferior
to the unlabeled ones. The message is...you never know in datland.......
Only one other time in my masters have I noticed a split second glitch
which I believed was caused by the tape itself(for those of you that have
5-17-97 Ben Harper and you want to hear what I believe is a tape caused
"glitch" listen carefully right before he comes back for "Like a
King"--you'll hear a teeny tiny glitch(I believe its just after all my
radio shack clunkering cables/adaptors making all their racket BTW). This
is the kind of glitch I attribute to a bunk spot in a tape (in the Ben case
you don't even notice it unless your listening for it). It was an Ampex
DDS 90M (no this doesn't mean anything so don't think it does).
I also wanted to say that I feel more than bad about the stuff I said
about the whole taping Merl at the Rave. Most of what I had to say was
unwarranted and I just wanted to let everyone on this list know, that I
admit, I was anything but kind in the way I posted to this list. I wish I
could take it back but I can't. I can only say I was wrong. I admit it.
Sorry again. I'm the one that looks bad........
Peace....Pete
From: "* <`///>
Subject: ISO: 8.6.89 DEAD
Reply-To: andyhahn@earthlink.net
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:16:23 -0700
I was wondering if anyone has this show on DAT? I was at this show @
the Arco Arena in Sacramento and would like to have this show on DAT. If
there is someone out there that has this show, please respond :).
Thank-you.
--
From: "Francine O'Claire" <oclaire@execpc.com>
Subject: Dtc 690 sony Problems
Reply-To: oclaire@execpc.com
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:33:10 +0000
DTC 690 Sony plays 39 minutes and shuts off during record and play.
Any ideas? Anybody know of any good repair shops in Milwaukee area?
From: Paul Cho <pc132@columbia.edu>
Subject: D-Cell Battery Pack for the D8
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:34:19 -0500 (EST)
Hey everybody,
so I figuired that I'd go ahead and try to make one of those D-Cell
battery packs to power my Sony D8 rather than having to constantly get new
AA's. Well, I ran into a problem...it seems that Radio Shack doesn't
carry the yellow tipped DC barrel plug. I know that a few web pages have
said the Radio Shack does in fact carry the plug, but when I went into RS
today and asked for the part (# 270-1575). They didn't even have that
product intheir computers. They did however have something that may do
the job, but I'm not sure, so I'm posting to the list.
They had a coax-style DC Power Plug 4.0 x 1.7mm size with solder terminal
(# 274-1532), which could handle the correct voltage (4.3?). It looked
like the AC adapter plug in that it had the yellow tip, but i didn't want
to buy it becuase I wasn't sure.
So will this plug do the job, or do I have to special order the part from
Sony, becuase it seems that there is no part no. 270-1575 at RS.
Thanks in advance!
Paul
From: "Eric C. Honour, Jr." <ech580@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
Subject: ABB, DMB, KBE, DDS, DMA, PhD
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:26:48 -0600
==============================
>
>From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
>Subject: Taping summary of last weekend.
>Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:58:36 -0800
>
>Erik,
>
> Please pass this on to the band. First let me thank you for giving me
>the privilege/opportunity to tape you guys. I really appreciate it & I
>love your music!!!
>
I know that "Erik" doesn't relate to me (esp. since I wasn't performing
anywhere last weekend!).
Even though Pete isn't asking for any kind of feedback or anything in this
post (sounds like it was a great show), it brings up something that I've
wondered about. I suppose it's my fault (for not knowing everything about
every band in the world) but I've seen a lot of posts in the last few
months where people looking for some kind of help used some kind of acronym
for a band's name or the name of a musician who is better known as a member
of some band.
If I don't know what the post refers to, I can't do anything to help. In
some cases, though, I could have helped someone out (simply because I know
a lot of people who go to a lot of shows) but couldn't tell until after the
fact what they were asking for! Granted it takes a little longer to type
the full name of the band (or the name of the band someone normally plays
with) but isn't it better to give people as much info as possible when
asking if anyone's got tix or tapes? You expand your potential reach that
way.
Also, people like me who are mildly interested in reading about who's
taping who can tell what's going on. :)
Eric
==========================
Eric C. Honour, Jr.
Composer * Saxophonist * Graphic Designer
MMus (Saxophone Performance and Composition)
Northwestern University
MrTheory@no.spam.nwu.edu
==========================
Black holes are where God divided by zero.
From: Boxcephus <Boxcephus@aol.com>
Subject: ARU 7/7/92 Burlington, VT - in search of
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:02:55 EST
Hi y'all,
Briefly... as the dialog of this respected digest has of late begun to
resemble a more "average" level of internet communitacion, I'd like to express
my appreciation for all the generous sharing of knowledge, information and
music that is the real pulse of DATheads. And I also want to express my
sincere gratitude for those professionals and above average audiophiles out
there who direct, correct, enlighten and instruct without the six shooter,
spurs and sherrifs badge - no doubt helping SOMEONE out everytime they do so,
without ever making anyone feel awkward.
That being said, the real point of my post is (of couse) a quest for music...
anyone with this show, please drop me a line, I'd love to find a copy:
AQUARIUM RESCUE UNIT 07/07/92 KD Churchills - Burlington, VT (w/ Trey, Page &
Fishman, Grippo)
As always, thanks for the bandwidth. Lance
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