DAT-Heads Digest #134
Contents:
Tapers @ ABB Beacon 3/22/98 from Michigan (Dsjenks777)
FOB Taping (Alan)
Slap Slap Delay Delay (RKB4%ERF%EbrFacErf@bangate.pge.com)
cdrs (Jon Hinchliffe)
tinted static vinyl for backlight dimming ("Alex Sloley (General Employment)")
ISO-Info on Opt->Coax convertor (BirdSongII)
sony d8 VS. d100 (matteo)
CD players with digital outputs (David Hollister)
Free DATs from a while back. ?Megasoft? (Peter Couhig)
ISO some info on a Bela and Bruce tape (Gardner William)
Gov't Mule dates... (uncajohn)
ear protection (John Hauer)
Dyes and Such (Yalk)
With all this talk about FOB vs Taper's Section ...... (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
Re: Right Hand Corrupts CDR (Eugene Hu)
VHS Hi-Fi ("Sharples, Graham")
Re: Blank tape after show? ("Eric Vandercar")
"Cleaning" in Sony home decks ("Eric Vandercar")
From: Dsjenks777 <Dsjenks777@aol.com>
Subject: Tapers @ ABB Beacon 3/22/98 from Michigan
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:24:28 EST
Just wonderin' if there are any tapers from Michigan going to NY for ABB 3/22
or
any kind NY'ers to allow a dat patch? Rewards in order. Thanks very much for
reply.
Stacy
Ds Printing
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From: Alan <bash@webpartnership.com>
Subject: FOB Taping
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:25:15 -0500
>While the great FOB work of Jeff Silberman, the Oades, and a host of
other
>FOB guys has certainly lead to many wonderful Dead tapes being in
>circulation, and I had my days of being up there, I have found to my
>surprise that some phenomenal tapes can be made in the taping section.
I
>think my split B&K 4006 omnis/Lunatec/Audio Magic/SV-255 tape of
>7/6/95--Dead at Riverport is a testament to this. We were about 1/3 of
the
>way back in the section on the lawn yet these tapes are everything I
ever
>wanted from a Dead recording.
When the Dead played amphitheatres such Riverport or Deer Creek they set
up their own speakers on the outside of the pavillion, spaced out,
facing the lawn. So, though on the lawn you were not as nearly as far
from the speakers as you would be in an arena taping section.
Additionally there are no walls to reflect the sound back towards you as
indoors. I actually preferred sitting on the front of the lawn when
seeing the Dead at amphs.
Peace,
Bash
From: RKB4%ERF%EbrFacErf@bangate.pge.com
Subject: Slap Slap Delay Delay
Reply-To: <RKB4%ERF%EbrFacErf@bangate.pge.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 9:17:53 PST
You need to get a delay unit I would think....I am not familiar with all
the options in products but the Behringer Ultra Curve DSP-8000 has an
extra cost option delay which allows you to adjust the sound reaching a
listener from speakers at two different distances. The question though (I
don't have this option on my UC) is what happens if the listener is not at
the sweet spot or somewhere in between the two speaker locations. Guess
the best deal is to have the speakers relatively close to each other and
use powerfull enough speakers that you don't need additional ones remotely
located (other than surround sound). The Ultra Curve is a great unit when
equiped with the digital in/out option and I use it constantly for
equalization, notch filtering, limiting and noise gate ability....but I
have no experience with the optional delay feature though.
Bob Berta
From: jon@praying-mantis.prestel.co.uk (Jon Hinchliffe)
Subject: cdrs
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:05:19 GMT
>From: JOE <JOE@zyscovich.com>
>Subject: cdrs
>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 15:20:00 -0500
>
>Im new to this group, so i dont know if this is the right place to post
>this, but im looking for information for making cdrs. i have a burner, and
>have made a cdr from an anolog tape (Ive already been given the elitist
>lecture on why the quality isnt as good, but i dont have a DAT yet, and want
>to trade cdrs) anyways, i got some noise, i think because of the connection,
>but was wondering if anyone had advise on what would be the cleanest way to
>do this. Im also looking for some good cdr shareware as i only have the
>crappy program that came w/ my burner, and have been informed that the
>software has a lot to do with the success rates of burning cdrs.
Mmm you don't say what sort of problems you are having. But a friend was
getting a lot of Buffer Underruns using some Shareware Mastering Software
and I think his problem was that his disc was a bit too Fragmentated. When
I am writing projects I have partitions on my disc set a side so I never
get this trouble.
If the noise is because of the Analogue tape and your soundcard then
Download Cool Edit 96 (A Yahoo search will find it). The demo allows you
two functions at once and they can be Noise reduction and Save. To
Eliminate Noise just sample a bit of the sound that only has noise on it.
You will be very impressed with the results!
>P.S. if this is not the right forum for this question please let me know,
>and tell me what is the right forumn.
Yes I would like to know that too
>From: "Nate DeRose" <nated@earth.goddard.edu>
>Subject: CDR reaction to computer ink????
>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:23:08 EST
>
>Alrighty.. there's been all this talk about Sharpie ink eating into
>the CDR die.....
>What about Inkjet ink??
>I print out CDR labels on my printer, and stick 'em to my CDRs.....
>would this ink eat into the die?
Yep I use CD-R Labels from PressIt and Neato both UK based I believe but
they are designed specifically for use with CD-R so they should not eat the
disc. They are also use Heat Resistant Glue. I have only been CD-Ring a few
months but apart from the fact they are expensive 20 Pence each they have
been perfect. And they look so much better than Hand writing (Especially
mine)
Jon
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From: "Alex Sloley (General Employment)" <a-alexsl@microsoft.com>
Subject: tinted static vinyl for backlight dimming
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:11:11 -0800
they are all sold out! if more people want em, i can get another sheet made
soon. just lemme know how many of you out there want some...
Alex Sloley
Support Technology
x 44186
a-alexsl
canprop
http://www.digitalexperience.com
From: BirdSongII <BirdSongII@aol.com>
Subject: ISO-Info on Opt->Coax convertor
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:14:21 EST
I hear there is a convertor for opt to coax. I am not sure but I think oade
makes it. Either way let me know.
Ollie
From: matteo <stroppa@dada.it>
Subject: sony d8 VS. d100
Reply-To: stroppa@dada.it
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:41:39 +0100
hi!
i'm a dat dj and i always used sony d8 that i found a great machine...
(except the fact that is too much fragile..)
now i'm looking for a new one and it seems that the d8 is going out of
production...
so i "must" take a d100, but i have the feeling that:
1) this small machine is more fragile then the d8!
2)a friend told me that it is slower too and this is important for me
because when i dj i have to rewind and fastforward the tapes very
quickly!
3) the good thing is that inside the d100 there is id writer and
renumber, is it this true?
i wonder if there are on the market any other portable machine as good
(and as expensive) as the d8...
i need excellent sound quality, gold plated "holes" for the jack,
portability, hardiness, speedness in rew ffw, assistence (for
repairing..)
thanks for any help
matteo
(italy)
From: David Hollister <dhollist@Iphase.COM>
Subject: CD players with digital outputs
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:41:50 -0600
Bob Berta asked for recommendations and Bruce Baier mentioned one, but
I'm sure there are many others. I have a Nakamichi CD-4 (single CD)
player that has an S/PDIF output on it.
--
David Hollister Interphase Corporation
dhollist@iphase.com
Software Engineer Dallas, TX
http://www.public.asu.edu/~dhollist
From: Peter Couhig <pcouhig@sourcecap.com>
Subject: Free DATs from a while back. ?Megasoft?
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 12:53:00 -0600
Here's a little story about those free DATs that Megasoft gave out a
while back. Well, I finally had an emergency and had to use them for
B&P. Well, anyway...Last night I'm rewinding the tape for the first time
and the piece of shit tape breaks. The first time that DAT entered my
ONE MONTH OLD DECK and it breaks.
Moral of the Story: You get what you pay for.
Well, MEGASOFT, here's what you get for free:
You are entitled to one lick of the bottom of my nut sac (aka The
Grundle).
Pete
From: wgardner@thomas.butler.edu (Gardner William)
Subject: ISO some info on a Bela and Bruce tape
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:27:49 -0500 (EST)
Hi there,
I recently got the Bela Fleck and the Flecktones w/ Bruce Hornsby tape
from the Reading Jazz Fest. THe info I'm looking for
A) the setlist
B) Recording info I think Schoeps
C) My tape does have a ding or two, any clean copies.
Thanks,
Bill Gardner
From: uncajohn <uncajohn@ruf.rice.edu>
Subject: Gov't Mule dates...
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:39:15 -0600 (CST)
If you're out on the west coast this weekend and all of next week,
Gov't Mule will be playing the schedule listed below. The Mule
has been smoking lately and the last time they played the Fillmore,
Bobby Sheehan, Dave Schools, and Gregg Allman all joined them onstage.
Who knows who might show up this time????
Go out and get your ass kicked! But make sure and bring your
mics, cause they don't allow patches anymore.
Gov't Mule-Dose National Tour
==========================
03/21/98 The Fenix - Seattle, WA (Tim Reynolds & Big Wreck open)
03/22/98 off
03/23/98 The Crystal Ballroom - Portland, OR (Tim Reynolds opens)
03/24/98 The Wild Duck - Eugene, OR (Tim Reynolds opens)
03/25/98 off
03/26/98 The Catalyst - Santa Cruz, CA (Tim Reynolds opens)
03/27/98 The Fillmore - San Francisco, CA (Tim Reynolds opens)
03/28/98 House of Blues - West Hollywood, CA (Tim Reynolds opens)
03/29/98 Belly Up - San Diego, CA (Tim Reynolds opens)
03/30/98 Cajun House- Phoenix, AZ (Tim Reynolds opens)
03/31/98 El Rey Theater - Albuquerque, NM (Tim Reynolds opens)
==========================
If you do go to a show and tape, contact MemphisKat@aol.com
He runs a permanent Mule tape tree that is always looking for
potential seeds. If you liked the show, he's got plenty to
trade you.
thanks,
unca
MULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMU
"Jewels and binoculars hang from the head of the Mule."
-Bob Dylan
LEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULEMULE
From: jhauer@csus.com (John Hauer)
Subject: ear protection
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:47:47 -0800
Hey,
I haven't read all the posts on this one, so excuse me if I repeat someone
else.
Hearing loss is a BIG deal. It happens naturally with age. It can be sped
up greatly with exposure to loud distorted noise.
For the guy in the dead cover band -- First thing, Move the speaker or
yourself!
Second, go to the doctor and have your hearing checked. Tell the doctor
your problem and ask for prescription ear protection at a variety of
filtration.
It seems to me that playing tunes in a bar is not worth trading for your
health. Color me simple.
Short of that, there are tons of ear protection products out there. Try
them all, maybe you'll find something that works. But, if at the end of
the night, you still have some ringing, you are destroying your health. On
the plus side, you won't need to bother with quality audio gear after
that. No need for Dat....
= )
John
From: Yalk <Yalk@aol.com>
Subject: Dyes and Such
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:54:46 EST
From: CDWD82A@prodigy.com (MR JEFF S MORROW)
Subject: Right Hand Corrupts CDR
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:18:48, -0500
Rudely shouted:
<<CAN ANYONE GIVE CONCRETE EVIDENCE OF ANY CDR BEING
DESTROYED BY ANY MARKER? Enough said!>>
No, it is not enough, as I don't think the whole CDR process is understood.
The way a CDR works, the very thin dye layer is burned away by the laser to
create the pits and lands for data. That dye layer is covered by the very
thin reflective layer, then a very thin resin protective layer covers that.
As much as we would like to think that plastic is impervious, it is sadly not.
The acids in standard permanent markers will leach into and through the
protective layer and attack the dye, thus increasing the error rate and
causing skips and loss of data over time. The same thing will happen with
dyes used in most inkjet CDR printers, however most of that media seems to
have an extra contrast coating for printable media that may retard the
leaching.
As far back as '96 Apogee has said "in addition, we do not recommend the use
of solvent-based markers as commonly used onto write on the disc; the solvents
can also leach through into the dye".
Regards,
Klay Anderson
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: With all this talk about FOB vs Taper's Section ......
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:02:00 -0800
I was late to the Phish 12-1-96 UCLA show and only have the 2nd set (FOB
Oktava>PSC Phantom Only>TEAM D7). I'd love to find a taper's section
first set made with the (most expenive of course) bomb setup
(Schoeps(preferably riding high (most people run their mics too high
IMHO)on the Schoeps stereo bar of course)>Lunatec>AD1000>HHB via Audio
Magic cables)and make a complete show, tree it out and let people decide
for themselves......
Pete
From: eugene@borchard.ladev.tandem.com (Eugene Hu)
Subject: Re: Right Hand Corrupts CDR
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:28:44 -0800
I've seen a CDR destroyed by a pen using xylene based ink. Someone at
work was labeling a CDR with such a pen just before sending it out and
it ate through the coating on the backside within seconds, making the
CDR completely unreadable. I've never heard of a problem with acid in
the ink until recently on DAT-heads, but then widespread use of CDRs
is fairly new and perhaps this problem hasn't come up yet with anyone
I know. You can always try out a new pen on a coaster (don't tell me
you don't have *any* coasters :-) and see if it dissolves the coating.
I'd expect a water-based ink to be safe, and most, if not all, non-polar
solvent based inks to be unsafe.
FWIW, I use one of the TDK pens, but then it was given to me when
I bought my CDR620 at the DAT Store.
-Eugene
From: "Sharples, Graham" <sdgxs08@brighton1t.agw.bt.co.uk>
Subject: VHS Hi-Fi
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:28:00 -0000
in digest #113 Graham Newton wrote
>There's nothing wrong with the "technology of the day" sound-wise, and
a
>little EQ does wonders... but DON'T go to VHS HiFi... it just is not a
>sufficiently stable medium.
Am I right in thinking that you mean the linear stereo track on a VHS
machine or are you referring to the encoded soundtrack which would
normally be interleaved with the picture? I ask because for some time
now I have been using my domestic VHS to record FM broadcasts ( because
it allows me to record stuff at inconvenient times and allows long
uninterrupted recordings off-air. ) I don't know if the system used in
the UK (NICAM stereo - produces CD quality stereo sound) is supported
in the States. I am concerned that what I had percieved to be a long
term storage medium may not be as suitable as I had hoped. I have
noticed that using the VHS machine like a fancy cassette recorder does
men that you have to be very careful about your choice of tape quality -
an average tape produces a sort of a static discharge click fairly
frequently while a double coated is free of these effects, but I have
not noticed any of my recordings getting worse over time. Apologies if
this matter is cover elswhere, but any further advice/info would be
gratefully recieved
regards
Graham
From: "Eric Vandercar" <ericv17@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Blank tape after show?
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:38:36 PST
>This happened to me a few times with my D7. My conclusion was that the
>problem may originate from starting the tape too quickly. When
starting the
>tape, be sure to pause long enough (REC-wait-PAUSE-wait-PLAY) for
levels to
>show on your deck between each step. If you go too quickly, the deck
will
>appear to be recording (levels, record indicator, tape movement) but
actually
>is not. I believe that the reason the tape breaks or hangs out at the
end is
>that it was misloaded the whole time, and not contacting the heads.
>Therefore, there is no data on your tape to retrieve. This info won't
help
>with your current tape, but hopefully it won't happen to you again.
Good advice. I'll also add that you should first turn on the light
and then load the tape and let it stabilize before hitting any of
the buttons (rewind, wait, record, pause, wait...) and if the tape
misloads the deck will reset and this will be apparent as the light
will go out. If the light goes out, I suggest that you unload the
tape, turn the light back on and start again with reloading. You
can of course turn the light off (especially if there is truth that
the light adds noise) after you start recording and before you hit
hold. peace, further... e
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From: "Eric Vandercar" <ericv17@hotmail.com>
Subject: "Cleaning" in Sony home decks
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:47:32 PST
Not that this will stop the debate...
When these decks are flashing "Cleaning" that is _not_ telling you
that it is time for you to clean, but rather it has engaged a small
foam roller against the rotating drum/heads and performing a light
cleaning of debris that may have accumulated on the surface of the
drum. This is usually sufficient to prevent or at least postpone
more rigorous wet/hand or professional cleaning of the deck. If
you disagree, then why doesn't it flash "Clean" instead of cleaning?
If you still don't agree, then why won't the door open while it is
flashing? Still a skeptic, put your ear down near the door when it
is flashing and ask yourself if you hear something happening inside.
And if you're still not convinced, take out the screws that are now
holding the cover on; quickly lift the cover next time you see it
flashing and report back here what you see. peace, further.... e
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