DAT-Heads Digest #135
Contents:
Re: Digest #128/ DAP1 power question (Brent5552)
Re: Portable CD players with digital outs? (American-Digital)
Re: DAT-Heads Digest #130 (Jeff Bowen)
Nels Cline to perform 5 gigs in NYC /w Interzone & B-3 Trio ("Gary Davis")
WATT "Contemplating the Engine Room" European Dates ("Gary Davis")
DMB up for grabs (Steve4134)
Need help with some terminology (Kidpocono)
1.30.98 Salmon...and...3.14.98 Cheese ("c.m. reysen")
1.30.98 L.Salmon...and...3.14.98 S. Cheese I. ("c.m. reysen")
re: Sony M-1 (barabbas)
cd-rom dig out ("pat k")
Unidecker needs U2 (Andrew Starr)
Re:FOB taping (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
Yeah yeah yeah (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
From: Brent5552 <Brent5552@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Digest #128/ DAP1 power question
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:59:12 EST
In a message dated 98-03-18 05:33:29 EST, Jason Millner <jmillner@umich.edu>
you write:
<<
[snip]
Question: Is there some kind of DAP1 battery I can buy/construct that will
use disposble batteries? ........
.........Eco-Charge won't cut it with out an AC source every day to
recharge.......
...........I have an Eco-Charge, but since I will pretty
much be living out of my car much of the time, I won't have a place to
charge it..........
Thanks
Jason>>
Jason, You just answered your own question, a 12v > 120v DC>AC converter is
your answer. Your car battery/alternator will do the charging. And these
converters can be as small as a D7! they look like car audio amplifiers, same
basic heatsink design. and have 1 or 2 (or more) three prong plugs for AC and
a lighter plug for your car.
Available at most any Auto Parts chain or any large electronics stores.
--D >>
From: American-Digital <dan@am-dig.com>
Subject: Re: Portable CD players with digital outs?
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:44:12 -0500
>I was just at a local Sony dealer last night. Sony has two portable
>CD players coming out in the next month or two with digital output:
>
> E-D705
> E-D805
A couple of the DE-705 portables just arrived here at American-Digital.
I was actually just getting one for myself and a buddy (not as a regular
stock item). If a few of you DAT-Heads out there would like to pick
these up I will happily order more. Sony products are only a day away
from us. The price is about $179? (a little less if there's some real interest
in this unit and I can pickup a bunch)
>They both have an optical output using a 1/8" round jack. You
>will need a cable with a 1/8" diameter optical connector on one
>end and a Toslink cable on the other end, such as the Sony POC-15AB.
They do require the 1/8" to Toslink cable. The Sony POC-15AB is $49.
However, save some $$ and get our custom cable for only $29. The warranty
on our cable is also much longer.
>As far as I can tell, the major difference between the two models is
>that the E-D805 has an inline remote that your headphones plug into.
The DE-805 portable is not yet available. My Sony Rep thought the only
difference was that the 805 came with rechargeable batteries...but he's been
wrong before
Anyone else have any good input on CD players with digital outs? Both
high end and low-brow?
Thanks-
Dan
http://www.am-dig.com
From: Jeff Bowen <jbowen@slonet.org>
Subject: Re: DAT-Heads Digest #130
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:02:54 -0800 (PST)
I think my internet provider momentarily wigged and forwarded a
digestifier back to the list. Sorry.
Jeff
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Nels Cline to perform 5 gigs in NYC /w Interzone & B-3 Trio
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:36:47 +0000
Nels Cline is scheduled to perform 5 gigs at the Knitting Factory
with Gregg Bendian March 25-29th, in several different band
configurations. As usual, anyone found with a tape recorder will be
taken outside and shot (if they don't do a good job taping).
--Gary
Composer/vibraphonist/drummer
GREGG BENDIAN
will present 3 bands over 5 exciting nights
(all featuring NELS CLINE on guitar)
at The Knitting Factory, March 25 thru 29.
Shows at 8 & 9:30 ($5 cover/1 drink min.)
Don't miss it!
Wed
March 25
F R E E G R A S S:
Tony Trischka, banjo
Nels Cline, acoustic guitar
Jim Whitney, bass
GB, percussion
FREE IMPROV MEETS BLUEGRASS
Thur/Fri
March 26 & 27
B-3 T R I O:
Steve Hunt, Hammond Organ
Nels Cline, electric guitar
GB, drums
WORLD PREMIERE OF BENDIAN'S ORGAN TRIO MUSIC
Sat/Sun
March 28 & 29
The Return of
I N T E R Z O N E:
GB, vibraphone
Nels Cline, guitar/slide guitar
Stomu Takeishi, 6 string electric bass
Alex Cline, drums/percussion
BRAND NEW WORKS & OLD FAVORITES
All shows at
T H E K N I T T I N G F A C T O R Y
OLD OFFICE
74 LEONARD ST (below Canal/off Broadway)
NYC
(212)219-3006
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: WATT "Contemplating the Engine Room" European Dates
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:42:19 +0000
Watt is in Europe right now, and I've already heard back from the
first date. Here are the remaining dates ---
(Remember, Watt is very taper friendly but the venues may not be.
Look for Watt outside the venue before the show, or ask for his
soundman Steve Reed (a 30-ish black man with a short beard) if you
have any problems).
--Gary
P.s. don't miss Watt's web pages:
www.hootpage.com - Watt's personal page - he writes it himself
www.wattage.com - Columbia Records' Watt page
mike watt and the black gang crew
"hola marinaro" europe tour '98
date - country, town - club
tue, mar 17 - holland, rotterdam - popular
wed, mar 18 - holland, groningen - vera
thu, mar 19 - germany, stuttgart - hirsch
fri, mar 20 - austria, salzburg - arge nonntal
sat, mar 21 - austria, wels - alter schlachthof
sun, mar 22 - austria, vienna - szene wien
mon, mar 23 - austria, insbruck - utopia
tue, mar 24 - austria, graz - orpheum
thu, mar 26 - italy, bologna - link
fri, mar 27 - italy, firenze - flog
sat, mar 28 - italy, biella - babylonia
sun, mar 29 - italy, rome
tue, mar 31 - spain, barcelona
wed, apr 1 - spain, madrid
thu, apr 2 - spain, bilbao
sat, apr 4 - switzerland, basel - kaserne
sun, apr 5 - switzerland, fribourg - frison
mon, apr 6 - germany, munich - incognito
tue, apr 7 - germany, frankfurt - batschkapp
wed, apr 8 - germany, berlin - loft
thu, apr 9 - germany, bielefeld
fri, apr 10 - germany, hamburg - logo
sat, apr 11 - holland, nijmegen - doornroosje
sun, apr 12 - germany, dusseldorf - rockpalast
mon, apr 13 - holland, goes - beest
wed, apr 15 - france, bourges - printempe de bourges festival
thu, apr 16 - belgium, brussels - ancient belgique
fri, apr 17 - holland, amsterdam - paradiso
sat, apr 18 - england, london - garage
sun, apr 19 - england, liverpool
--end--
From: Steve4134 <Steve4134@aol.com>
Subject: DMB up for grabs
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:22:58 EST
i have a 12-22-92 digital soundboard of dave matthews band from trax virgina
, on a 90 meter master DAT blank and postage or another dmb tape ok heres my
list if any one wants to trade
steve
8-4-92 traxx digital sounboard w sound check
12-29-92 traxx digital soundboard matrix mix with on stage schoeps cmc5 mk4
microphones 60 meter
12-22-92 traxx digital soundboard
3-23-93 traxx ,va digital soundboard
11-2-93 traxx carters birthday digital soundboard
2-17-96 UCONN dave and tim storrs,ct no mic info
6-12-96 Neuman kmi 84s to beyer mv-100 to sony d-8 hartford,ct
10-12-96 new haven colesium,ct neumann KM184s to beyer mv-100 to tascam dap-1
2-20-97 warfield thartre san fran , ca , mic info AKG 460s to audio magic
cable to lunatec pre amp to apogee a/d to tascam DAP-1
06/03/97 - 1/DAUD - Richmond, VA - 2:30 - 4.75 AKG Short Shotgun FOB
06/05/97 - 1/DAUD - Canandaigua, NY - 2:25 - 5 - AKG C414>Sanosax MX2>DAP1>D7
06/06/97 - 0/D7AM - Saratoga Springs, NY - 2:44 - 5 - AKG 460 >Symetrix
Line Driver> D10ProII>D7
06/08/97 - 1/DATC - Hartford, CT - 2:38 - 5 Sennheiser K6 With Cardioid Caps
to dap-1
06/28/97 - 1/DATC - Noblesville, IN - 2:25 - 4.75 AKG 391 Cardioids
(ORTF)>DA-P1 (Ctr Lawn, 8’ Back)
7-10-97 portland meadows , mic info microtech gefell m296
12-5-97 miami , opener for the stones mic info core sound binurals to sony
D-8 60 meter
all 90 meter unless noted
From: Kidpocono <Kidpocono@aol.com>
Subject: Need help with some terminology
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:37:58 EST
I've been poring over info, here and on Websites/newsgroups/FAQ, regarding CD-
R. With respect to various sound card/computer inputs, and even the HHB CDR
deck I've read about, there have been references to different types of
outputs/inputs:
SPDIF and AESEBU. I'm eventually going to look for a card, or deck, that
permits me to make 44.1 clones directly from either the coax or optical
digital outs from my Sony DAT deck, but I can't figure out how these would be
classified. Thanks for any help.
Regards, Paul Soderman
From: "c.m. reysen" <ISOTEB@concentric.net>
Subject: 1.30.98 Salmon...and...3.14.98 Cheese
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:02:10 -0800
Could someone please help me with the setlists to these shows.....
Thanks,
Stephen
From: "c.m. reysen" <ISOTEB@concentric.net>
Subject: 1.30.98 L.Salmon...and...3.14.98 S. Cheese I.
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:15:49 -0800
Could someone please help me with the setlists to these shows.....
Thanks,
Stephen
From: barabbas <barabbas@dsp.net>
Subject: re: Sony M-1
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:27:54 -0800
Charlie B wrote:
>2. According to Sony, the 2 AA btteries last up to 4 hours for the M-1
>deck. I want to know exactly how long others have used 2 AA batteries
>for this deck and if the Lithium AA batteries last any longer. If so,
>how long and what type of Lithium batteries do you recommend?
I only get about 2hr record time using the Nicad Metal Hydrids and about
1hr20mins using regular AAs. I have not
used the Lithiums yet, but I also heard that the AA gell batteries last
along time. Does any one know anything about these?
>3. Do you recommend using 0 DB or 20 DB for the Mic Att switch on the
>back of the deck for recording? I've heard from another DAT Head that
20
>DB should be used, because it picks up more sound. I used 20 DB for the
>Leftover Salmon show and it turned out well.
Yes, Use the 20db setting. I taped my first in door show (loud) had the
mics in and 0db set. I got alot of distortion. I was latter told that
the 20db setting is actually -20db. It cuts down the recording level by
20db. I was also told to use Line in instead of mic in. But you are
unable to use the -20db setting while using mic in. I have a question
though. What is the difference between mic in and line in?
>4. Does anyone know when the new Sony RAK-D10(?) 7 pin Digital Cable
>will be for sale in the market?
I just got mine from Core Sound. I bought the 7pin I/O Y cable. You can
dasiychain it with other DATs. It has the 7 pin going to two cables with
RCA plugs, one out the other in. I also picked up a couple of RCA and
XLR barrels to convert them to whom ever I plug into. The cable is only
$65 with the right angle 7pin connection and $50 with the straight 7pin
input. Core Sound has many cables to choose from. Here is there
website. http://www.panix.com/~moskowit/
>5. I'm saving up for a reasonably priced SCMS free/defeatable Home DAT
>deck and am looking for recommendations. Price range is between
>$500-800. I've heard that Fostex makes some nice decks.
I have the Deck for you:
Tascam DA-20mkII :
The Tascam DA-20mkII offers SCMS defeatable recording with coaxial
input/output, 2-heads, 2-direct drive motors, ABS time function,
independent
A/D converters, RCA line in/out, and the ability to use 3 hour tape.
For $800. I think that this is the best home deck for the money. Two
friends of mine
both bought this deck and I am thinking about it too. Terrapin Tapes
will beat any price.
I order all my tapes and just bought my PCM-1 through them.
The have more maufacture data and pictures of the Deck.
They also sell the Sony's new PCM R-300 which offers COAX & Optical
in/out, a 4 digit error display & the
ability to use 90 meter tape w/ no problem. This deck will reconize the
SMCS code of the connected deck. So if
you connect your M1 to it, it becomes SMCS free. But if you connect a D8
it will reconize the code. This deck is
only $600.
Both the prices include shipping and handling and guess what NO TAX!
They have them both at Terrapin Tapes: http://www.ttapes.com/ ask for
Jennifer. She always helps me out. She is patient with all my stupid
questions. : )
....thanks
barabbas.....
From: "pat k" <hoobash@hotmail.com>
Subject: cd-rom dig out
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:02:04 PST
most cd-roms have spdif outputs. all you have to do is make a rca cable.
someone posted a while back with a url dealing with this. it was at a
mini disc site. it's a very cheap way to go cd>dat.
From: "B Baier" <baierb@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: CD players with digital outs
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:22:16 PST
In DAT-Heads Digest #129, Bob Berta wrote:
>Looking for a CD player with digital out but needs to be in S/PDIF
>or AES/EBU. I have seen a few that have optical outs but not the
>non-optical.
Hmmm....AFAIK, S/PDIF and AES/EDU are the only digital formats
out there. However, S/PDIF can be carried over an optical or
coax interface.
>Anyone have any recommendations?
- There may be others, but the only CD palyer I have seen
with coax S/PDIF is the Harmon/Kardon FLD 8300 5-disc changer.
However, the manufacturer has stated in a service bulletin
that it needed a factory mod to bring the digital output
voltage levels up to specifications.
- You could buy a CD player with optical out, then get a box
that converts optical to coax. Fostex, Core Sound, and probably
others sell these for $75-$100.
- A "pro" CD player will likely have AES/EBU out, but it will
be fairly expensive. Also keep in mind, AES/EBU does not
transfer CD track-marks or Start-IDs. They're just not part
of the digital AES/EBU bit-stream.
Lotsa luck.
Bruce Baier
baierb@hotmail.com
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From: Andrew Starr <a-starr@nwu.edu>
Subject: Unidecker needs U2
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:19:09 -0600
I was hoping to get a U2 show or two for B&P. Any HQ show will do really.
The tapes are more for a friend whos birthday is approaching, and she loves
U2. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
Andrew Starr
Northwestern University, Evanston, IL. USA
a-starr@nwu.edu
"I am you and what I see is me"
-Roger Waters
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Re:FOB taping
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:48:18 -0800
My interpretation of the following (don't take this too seriously, while I
prefer FOB-front of board, others prefer OTS-official tapers section, to
each his own). I realize Mark tapes A LOT LOT LOT and knows a LOT LOT
LOT.......so (like always) the following are just my thoughts........And
while I'm sure his opinion is justified based on his taping experiences
and listening experiences......I just beg to differ in opinion on this one
based on my (lopsided)experiences.......
"They sound quite different than the FOB's and don't
have the up close presence of each instrument but again that big, full,
encompassing sound, fully balanced as we heard it at the show is
represented (without the upclose whistling brigade)."
As we heard it at the show? So where were you at the show? As far as the
whistling brigade. Agreed. IMHO the single toughest aspect of FOB is
avoiding the whistling brigade. There are ways to lessen the probability
of this. You can start out by being kind to those around you before the
show (such as offer tapes (and follow through) and other things....).
Making a great FOB involves much more than just the taping aspects of it.
Plus once you do it a lot, you tend to run into the same people at shows
and then you really start cooking. People go out of there way to help you
bc they know they will be getting tapes(remember how everything affects
everything else)..... Based on my listening experiences at shows, the only
thing I can conclude that your "big, full, encompassing sound" means is,
"muddied sounds all jumbled together with no distinct instruments and very
little soundstage --probably a bit boomy too.....". The OTS is 2
dimensional sound (I won't go as far as to say its a point though). A
properly made FOB (to properly make an FOB one must be total balls out and
have a little luck on your side too...many people just aren't cut out for
this-nothing wrong with that though) is like being in another
dimension..........
"It has balance and clarity that the FOB thoroughly lacks Unfortunately, I
guess
this supports the notion that sometimes placement is more important than
the equipment list."
Why is this unfortunate? To me its FORTUNATE. It means people can make
great tapes with modest equipment if they do the more important things
correctly. The FACT is that placement IS ALWAYS more impt than the
equipment list. You can't buy love... you can't buy the dank sound without
doing other things right too (such as placement).
"Many of the FOB tapes have a more defined
sound but everything sounds smaller."
A well made FOB having smaller sound than a well made OTS? Oooooh
Kaaaaaay.........You must be getting FOBs from the wrong people. Seems
like your definition of Large must be "indistinct, muddied together and
very little sound stage"....
"My results seem to support the notion that taping near the board makes
sense because that is where the
engineer is hearing everything and making adjustments to perfect sound in
that area, albeit still trying to maintain a good mix throughout the
venue."
The fact is that the closer you can get to the direct sound source the
better. Why tape sound which has already been amplified, when you can get
to it "pre amplification"? Plus your mics are generally better than the
mics which mic the sound which is being amplfied. Not to mention many
times the speaker stacks have problems or just sound horrible....
"The above points are not intended to arouse argument but are merely
observations of comparisons that I would happily distribute if enough
people are interested."
How about this? Did you tape Phish 12-1-96? Lets tree your first set with
my second. And let me know how many whistling brigades or even a SINGLE
INSTANCE of crowd annoyance comes through on mine.
Like Mark, I'm not trying to start a big whole debate on FOB vs AUD (that's
like comparing apples and oranges:-), but when I saw the "Unfortunately, I
guess
this supports the notion that sometimes placement is more important than
the equipment list.", I couldn't help but give my .02......
Pete
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Yeah yeah yeah
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:57:17 -0800
"Why tape sound which has already been amplified, when you can get to it
"pre amplification"?"
So inevitably someone here will go into the reasons why....I realize all
that (not very significant) stuff. "In general" the above is true. Yes
its that simple.
Pete
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