DAT-Heads Digest #140
Contents:
Portable or home deck first? (kittles)
Re: Re: Portable CD players with digital outs? (NYLifer)
DAT Storage Solution (Wagner One)
Re:Pick Nits (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
Re: Extra DATs for Trade (Stas Wright)
Taping RatDog (TMSDAT)
Re:Stealthing techniques: recent posts (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
RE: Did you know that 58% of all tape backups fail? (Jesse Lackey)
newbie offer (Michael Kelly)
Pre-Sale Dat Store D100 Special! ("Gary Davis")
Otari DTR8s (andyhof)
Surf by Surfwest in Austin ("Jay J. Hector")
11/8/97 Ratdog @ "MODJESKA TRE" Milwaukee,Wi (Scott/Deb McPherrin)
The DAT Store ("Chris and Tricia")
FT: Swervedriver (Rahul Krishnaswamy)
Recent Master's for Trade (TP Settle)
Setlists / DAT Resources (JProcopi)
Extra's to trade (Ross Johnson)
DAT TO CD (baker)
Lighten up on hi-fi taping ("Francine O'Claire")
RE Sony M-1 (barabbas)
Re: Don't Buy any DAT Gear this week ("David D. Rogers")
question about D-Cell battery pack (Paul Cho)
CD-R Labeling ("David D. Rogers")
From: kittles <kittles@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Portable or home deck first?
Reply-To: kittles@bellatlantic.net
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:00:34 -0500
Hello all,
I have researched getting my first deck for over a month now and I
decided the PCM-R500 would be the best choice. However, I was just at a
Disco Biscuits show and met a taper, which of course got me interested
in taping. I also saw an ad for a fairly new (6 months; 20 hours) DA-P1
($895.00) which furthered my interest. My question requires the advice
of those with experience. Should I get a portable deck first
(preferably a DA-P1), or should I wait, save some more money and buy the
PCM-R500? Will the DA-P1 give me trouble (i.e. wear too quickly from
over use) if I use it often for playback recording? If you could,
please e mail me personally. Thanks very much,
-Jim
kittles@bellatlantic.net
From: NYLifer <NYLifer@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Portable CD players with digital outs?
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:50:04 EST
In a message dated 98-03-19 04:42:15 EST, American-Digital <dan@am-dig.com>
writes:
> >I was just at a local Sony dealer last night. Sony has two portable
> >CD players coming out in the next month or two with digital output:
> >
> > E-D705
> > E-D805
>
> A couple of the DE-705 portables just arrived here at American-Digital.
> I was actually just getting one for myself and a buddy (not as a regular
> stock item). If a few of you DAT-Heads out there would like to pick
> these up I will happily order more. Sony products are only a day away
> from us. The price is about $179? (a little less if there's some real
> interest in this unit and I can pickup a bunch)
>
> >They both have an optical output using a 1/8" round jack. You
> >will need a cable with a 1/8" diameter optical connector on one
> >end and a Toslink cable on the other end, such as the Sony POC-15AB.
>
> They do require the 1/8" to Toslink cable. The Sony POC-15AB is $49.
> However, save some $$ and get our custom cable for only $29. The warranty
> on our cable is also much longer.
>
> >As far as I can tell, the major difference between the two models is
> >that the E-D805 has an inline remote that your headphones plug into.
>
> The DE-805 portable is not yet available. My Sony Rep thought the only
> difference was that the 805 came with rechargeable batteries...but he's
been
> wrong before
Do either have a SCSI connection too for use with a PC?
Robert
From: Wagner One <wagner@teamschoeps.org>
Subject: DAT Storage Solution
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:45:33 -0500
I finally got around to researching, ordering and constructing this DAT
storage solution. The company that makes the components is called IKEA.
It seems that their US stores are concentrated on the East coast, but
there is one under construction in the Chicago area as well. I ordered
all of materials ground, but it would have been even more cost effective
to pick it up first hand.
Holds an infinite amount of tapes! Ok, the least it will hold is around
~600 with the option of adding additional components to hold more as
required.
Could I have made it any easier? IKEA should be paying me! :)
http://www.enteract.com/~wagner/dat/storage/index.html
Mike
--
Mike Wagner - wagner@teamschoeps.org
A bad Dead show is better than a good day at work...
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Re:Pick Nits
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:35:47 -0800
"<< - AES/EBU (American Engineering Society / European Broadcast Union)>>
AES is Audio Engineering Society."
AES also stands for Auger Electron Spectroscopy. It is a surface chemical
analysis technique. In a nutshell -- Fixed energy electrons in==> excited
electrons out==>study (kinetic)energy distribution of outcoming
electrons==>learn about surface chemistry. This (very surface sensitive)
technique might be used to study wear in dat systems. If not, it
could/should.........Pete
From: Stas Wright <stasw@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Extra DATs for Trade
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:45:51 -0800 (PST)
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:55:43 EST, Ryryrocco <Ryryrocco@aol.com> writes:
>Neil Young 11-22-76 DAUD (very good quality, sounds like a sbd) 1 90m (but
>it's only 2 hrs of music, I sent my parent a 90 accidentally for a 60m
>tree)
Not to nitpick, but do you really think DAT technology was around in 1976?
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From: TMSDAT <TMSDAT@aol.com>
Subject: Taping RatDog
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:01:49 EST
HI,
Is anyone planning on taping RatDog on Wed in Wayne, NJ or on Thursday in
Danbury? Or maybe the Greyboy Allstars on Satuday? I assume taping will be
allowed and was hoping for a kind patch : ) Will there be board access at
Irving Plaza?
Peace,
-Tom
Tom Sweeney
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Re:Stealthing techniques: recent posts
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:15:44 -0800
"I think we should all be careful as to what we post to this list. We
assume all
of the people who read our posts are tapers but that may not be true."
How about most definitely is not true (plus everything is archived on the
web (what a great thing!)for anyone to see). I'd say without a doubt there
are people subscribed to this list who could care less about dat info and
merely read it to......(use your imagination).
Pete (I won't mention the list I got from some joker that was without a
doubt totally bogus IMHO)
From: Jesse Lackey <jesse@celestialaudio.com>
Subject: RE: Did you know that 58% of all tape backups fail?
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:15:20 -0500
> looking advertisements for a company called @backup. It states "58% of
> tape backups fail". So I called and asked where they come up with this
> number and the guy pauses for a moment and says. "From a casual survey".
> I ask him what the survey size was and he has no idea. So I send the
Well, computer backup software (even the free thing with Win95) verifies that
the data was written correctly. So barring poor storage and tape failures
(the Sony DDS I use for audio have been great) how can one go wrong?
"Operator Error" is all I can think of. I think they are way heavy on the
marketing hype/lies and light on the actual usefulness. Maybe for someone
with only a notebook computer it would be handy.
At $30/month, plus having to leave your computer on all night to transfer
the data (remember, uploads are 28.8Kbps max) it is just silly. I have
multiple harddisks, and I backup one to another; what's the chances of two
harddrives failing simultaneously? Plus, every month or so I cut a CD of
the backup files. The backup program I use is the one that comes with Win95.
A good solution here might be a CD-RW drive. Every day backup to a new
file or directory on the disc, and each month or whatever write the whole
disc to a CD-R. Then wipe the CD-RW disc and start over.
Oh yeah, and then you can make audio CDs too.
And now, back to DAT!
J
p.s. looking for Chemical Bros, Bjork, Orb, and Orbital. Can anyone help me
out? Much to trade (but very little of these artists...)
--
Jesse Lackey, Ithaca, NY my personal page: http://www.lightlink.com/jesse
From: Michael Kelly <kelly@bekkoame.or.jp>
Subject: newbie offer
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:21:11 +0900 (JST)
I have extra copies of the following shows for trade or as a newbie offer. I
would prefer to work something out with one person . . .thanks . . MIke
David Byrne 3/24/92 St. Anne's NYC sbd 120min
Richard & Linda Thompson 1/10/80 Hamburg sbd 120min
Jerry Garcia 4/9/75 Bottom Line,NYC sbd 120min
Jerry Garcia 2/6/72 San Francisco sbd 120min
Jerry Garcia & Grissman 2/2/91 Warfield Theater sbd 120min
Hot Tuna 3/4/88 Fillmore West, SFO sbd 180min
Hot Tuna 5/20/95 Aladdin Theatre, Las Vegas sbd 120min
James Carter 6/17/95 NYC, Village Vanguard sbd 180min
Elvis Costello 5/15/96 Fillmore West sbd 120min
Dave Matthews Band 2/23/95 sbd 120min
Neil Young 7/3/93 Torhout Rock Festival sbd 120min
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Pre-Sale Dat Store D100 Special!
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:25:13 +0000
Next week, the DAT Store will announce a limited quantity of Sony
D100's for sale *below cost* at $604!!
But this weekend, I will offer an even better deal --
Pre-order your D100 for $604 (plus shipping) by e-mail before the
store opens on Monday, and I will throw in (your choice) a blank DAT
tape, or a recorded CDR from my collection (Nels Cline, Mike Watt,
other bands on request).
Just email to me: gdavis@loop com
With your name, address, phone number, credit card # and exp date.
How you want it shipped (ground is under $10, 2-day is around $20).
And whether you'd like a blank, 2-hour dat (name brand) or a recorded
CDR.
thank you,
--Gary
From: andyhof <andyhof@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Otari DTR8s
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:37:22 -0500
Would like to hear experiences with
the OTARI DTR8S DAT 2track.
Regards,
andrew
From: "Jay J. Hector" <70243.3034@compuserve.com>
Subject: Surf by Surfwest in Austin
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 01:54:31 -0500
WELCOME TO AUSTIN SURF FANS!
Surf by Surfwest
Boy do we have got a great show coming up for you on March 21st! That's
right, Blaze's, on 1306 E. 6th Street, will open their doors at 6 p.m. for
"Surf by Surfwest"! Six bands, count them - six bands, will play the
best surf music in the country for you and your fun loving friends. Here
are the bands that will be playing:
1] Squid Vicious (in order starting at 6:00pm)
2] The Crabs
3] Sir Finks
4] 3 Balls of Fire
5] Sandblasters
6] Slacktone
Tickets ($6.00) will be available at the door on March 21st @ 6 p.m. @
Blaze's on 1306 E. 6th Street. Advance tickets will be available Thursday,
March 12th @ Local Flavor on 305B E. 5th Street and @ KO-OP Radio on 304 E.
5th Street. Slacktone will be featured on a live broadcast at 5:00PM on
KO-OP.
"Surf By Surfwest" was created as a reaction to South By Southwest (SXSW).
For the last five years, the instrumental surf music community has been
well-represented in standing room-only surf showcases featuring such prominent
instrumental bands as the Mermen, the Insect Surfers, Death Valley, Huevos
Rancheros, Man or Astro-Man?, Satan's Pilgrims, Teisco del Rey, and others.
For 1998, SXSW has chosen to deny showcases to all but two instrumental
bands while increasing the overall number of showcases and bands. For this
reason, we have created Surf By Surfwest.
=========================================================================
Ted James, guitarist for Squid Vicious and promoter of Surf by Surfwest
invites Dat-heads and other tapers to bring their gear and tape away--no
stealthing required. Any question or problems see Ted James and he'll put
it right.
All bands are trios. Slacktone is the hottest surf/instro band today.
Recently on MTV as the house band for their Rockin' Jocks special. Dusty
Watson, Slackone's drummer is also the drummer for Dick Dale, Agent Orange,
Sugartooth, Jon & the Nightriders and the Boo Yaa Tribe. He is hot.
Jay J. Hector
From: Scott/Deb McPherrin <hippies@frontiernet.net>
Subject: 11/8/97 Ratdog @ "MODJESKA TRE" Milwaukee,Wi
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 01:31:14 +0000
hey all!
anyone got the show named above?...i would love to get a clone!...can
only do B+P at this time!...thanks a million!...
e-mail me privately...
peace!
scott
From: "Chris and Tricia" <cmescia@infinet.com>
Subject: The DAT Store
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:19:43 -0500
hey now!
i have been keeping silent for the past 9-10 months because everyone on this
list seems to like the dat store so much, but with gary's post about brad
being rude to customers and friends...i had to pipe up. as a representative
of that store, brad is the biggest prick i have ever had to deal with. i
got a 60ES in JUNE 97 and he has still not sent me a remote control for it.
i used to call about once every week or two and ask it's status, now i have
been withered down to about once a month. each time i have talked to him,
he has been completely rude, obnoxious etc... i have been hung up on once.
i could go on and on. suffice to say i don't know why they keep him
employed there. they ought to drop him like the piece of shit that he
really is.
will stop cloggin this list now...
peace,
chris mescia
From: Rahul Krishnaswamy <rsk9@cornell.edu>
Subject: FT: Swervedriver
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:24:29 -0500 (EST)
looking for swervedriver dats from any tour, but especially current one.
taped the show in detroit 3/19 with sonics and d7 with good results. show
ran 75-80 minutes. please write if interested in trading. thanks very
much.
-rahul
From: TP Settle <TPSettle@aol.com>
Subject: Recent Master's for Trade
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:53:02 EST
Hello to All,
I have the following Master's to offer up for trade. All shows were recorded
with:
Microtech Gefell SMS 2000's w/M200 cardioid capsule>
Audio Magic Cable>
Sonosax SX-M2 Pre Ampe>
DA-P1
The String Chees show was recorded with:
B&K 4011's>Auido Magic Cable>Lunatec Pre Amp>Apogee A/D>DA-P1
Shows:
String Cheese Incident 1/23/98 Aggie Theater, Fort Collins, CO
Gov't Mule 3/16/98 Fox THeater, Boulder, CO
Tim Reynolds 3/16/98 Fox Theater, Boulder, CO (Mule opener)
Leftover Salmon 3/19/98 Aggie Theater, Fort Collins, CO
All of these shows came out very well.
I am interested in any Samples DAT's or Analog Master's>DAT that I don't have.
Also, anything that will help diversify my list: Dylan, Van Morrison, Petty,
Jewel, Buffett, Floyd, etc.
Thanks for the space, hope to hear from some of you.
Tim
http://holly.colostate.edu/~teff/tim.html
From: JProcopi <JProcopi@aol.com>
Subject: Setlists / DAT Resources
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:59:57 EST
Brian Price <price.brian@virgin.net> writes:
-> I have a few shows I need setlists for. If any of you
-> have them or know of a WWW resource I'd appreciate it.
->
-> Bela Fleck 2/18/93
-> Hornsby 3/31/94
-> Peral Jam 11/5/93
At my site (specifically off my DAT list), I have links to
setlist repositories and band pages. Also, I set up links
off my main page where you can check Usenet for recent
DAT and mics for sale (as well as most recent DAT digests).
Check it out and please bookmark me. :)
Peace,
John
--
http://members.aol.com/jprocopi/index.html
Eugene, Oregon
From: rossjohnson@worldpassage.net (Ross Johnson)
Subject: Extra's to trade
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:30:24 -0700
Hi,
I have extra copies of these shows that I'd like to trade for:
Dave Matthews Band
11/09/96 Cow Palace, San Francisco, CA 90m DAUD AKGc1000>Sonosax
SXM2>SBM-1>DAP1
Grateful Dead
05/08/77 Cornell 90m DSBD
Phish
02/28/97 Huxley's Neue Welt-Berlin, Germany 90m DAUD Schoeps
CMC6MK4>Oade>SBM-1>DAP1
Please send me your lists if you're intersted in taking any of these shows
off my hands.
-Ross
From: baker <bakers@mail.atl.bellsouth.net>
Subject: DAT TO CD
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:32:24 -0500
Hey all you fellow dat heads my company has now started transfering tapes
to cd for people, for a small fee of 5 dollars plus shipping (bulk
discounts avaible) So if any of yall are intersted drop me a line
payne
CEO Midget Man Records
From: "Francine O'Claire" <oclaire@execpc.com>
Subject: Lighten up on hi-fi taping
Reply-To: oclaire@execpc.com
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:52:50 +0000
I understand that this digest is for digital taping. Recently I read
someone given a bad review on hi-fi taping. I know it ain't dat, but
when making analog tapes off dat tapes, you can't beat a good hi-fi
machine. The letter referred to as using a hi-fi, like a big fancy
tapedeck, which works. The letter complained about tapes being made
from other machines sounding like crap, well, there's cheap hi-fi's and
good hi-fi's. A little manual tracking won't hurt now and then either.
If getting digital music off of hi-fi tape is so bad, why do so many
tape trees use the first generation to be hi-fi? Why, because they make
damn good copies.Just Use Good Equipment & Tape(Same As DAT).It Also Is
Convenient As Hell Making Tapes Off FM Cable When You Can't Be At
Home.I've Even Plugged Into SBD's With Hi-fi And Gotten Excellent
Results.Anybody Else Who Likes This Format& Trades This Way,E-Mail Me At
My Address. Thanks JEFF O'CLAIRE
From: barabbas <barabbas@dsp.net>
Subject: RE Sony M-1
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:04:27 -0800
Eric_Brown <eric_brown@swissbank.com> wrote:
>I'm surprised that you only get 2hrs with the included Ni-MH batteries
on your
>M1. I regurlarly get over 3hrs with both my M1 and D100. Are you
using mikes
>that take power from the deck? (I'm not.)
No, I am using the Core Sound mics with the battery box.
>One question for any other M1 and D100 users out there - the battery
gauge on
>my M1 is distinctly different than the gauge on my D100. The D100
behaves as
>you would expect. It stays at 4 bars for quite a while (1-1.5 hrs) and
then
>gradually drops to 3, then 2, the 1. When you get to 1 bar, you know
its
>getting close to time to change the batteries. On the M1, it is almost
>impossible to get it to show 4 bars (and when it does, its only for at
most 10
>minutes). It then drops pretty quickly to 2 and then 1, but will sit
on 1 for
>a long time. (Note that this is using the same Sony Ni-MH batteries on
both
>machines.) The same batteries that show 4 bars on the D100 will only
show 3
>bars on the M1.
When I saw it drop to one bar, I was not sure how long I had left. I
would just change the batteries after 2 hours. To be on the safe side.
>One thing to be aware of is that you won't be able to take a digital
patch out
>of either an M1 or D100 with these cables if it is the lead deck and
the input
>is analog. The M1/D100 will automatically switch from analog to
digital input
>when you plug this cable in. I believe that the Oades are working on
an
>active cable for these machines that have a switch to allow analog
recording
>when doing digital patch out.
I am not following you on this. I am a newbie, so please bear with me on
this.
>From what I think that you are saying: If the lead deck is analog out
to my digital in it won't work?
If that is the case can I use a connection to my line in instead of the
digital in?
Another newbie question. What is the difference between the analog
connection and the digital connection to my Sont M-1? Doesn't the M1
convert the analog to digital?
....thanks
barabbas.....
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: Don't Buy any DAT Gear this week
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:35:48 -0800
>From: "John Blackmore" <blackmor@iconn.net>
>Subject: Re: Don't Buy any DAT Gear this week!
>Reply-To: <blackmor@iconn.net>
>Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:53:45 -0500
>
>I just called the DAT store yesterday, inquiring about this big 'sale'. Is
>this the same DAT store? I did a web search, came up with
>http://www.wiredplanet.com/planet/bc/datstore.htm and called them. They're
The very same. BTW, that business card graphic was for Tim Murray; I wish
he was still working there. (I assume he isn't, since I haven't seen him
there for over a year.) He was the only guy working there I really liked,
AND (boy, I _really_ hate saying this) gave me the impression that he was
really honest. (What do I mean by that... that he wasn't going to spout off
B.S. about things he didn't know about-- like the current party line at the
DAT store now that DDS tapes are like sandpaper. When I told them that
Maxell admitted they used the same tape in both DDS and DAT tapes, they
told me that Maxell tapes are abrasive, too!)
>"sale" prices were higher than anything I've seen so far. Did I get the
>right place? I'm itching to buy my second deck and would love to take
>advantage of a good deal, but this doesn't seem to be it. Please point me in
>the right direction. THanks!
I thought the sale was "next week"; i.e., not this week. (Starting Monday
3/23) I'll probably go, but I don't think as highly of the DAT Store as I
used to. When the time comes for me to replace one of my old, worn D7s,
I'll probably buy from a specialty mail-order source like Terrapin,
American-Digital or Klay. I've never made a "major" purchase at the DAT
Store, but from the time I bought a Sony mike there in late '96 to the time
I bought my RMD3K there last summer, they seemed to have become a _lot_
more arrogant and elitist. If I do buy from there, it would mainly be
because they're local to me (relative ease in getting warranty repairs--of
course, the major warranty repair centers are also within driving distance
from me :), and they specialize (you won't see me buying DAT gear from
Circuit City/Good Guys/Best Buy/etc.). If I ask for Tim Murray and find
that he's no longer working there, I'll see if I can't get a better deal
elsewhere before giving them my credit card. Of course, I've also pledged
to myself not to shop at stores where I feel I can only trust one or two
people. :) (Bottom line: don't buy there unless you're getting a
super-duper deal. :)
(Last time I spoke with them, they told me they're not on the Internet, and
don't hang around DAT Heads too much. Boy, I hope they're not reading this. :)
>
>--
>John Blackmore
>blackmor@iconn.net
>
Peace,
<> David
URL me at http://www.lightlink.com/drogers/
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an idea."
--Former Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres on the assassination of
Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin (1922-1995)
=================
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From: Paul Cho <pc132@columbia.edu>
Subject: question about D-Cell battery pack
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:57:36 -0500 (EST)
Hey all,
I just finished building the D-Cell battery pack for my D8 and everything
seems to be going fine (it powers the deck). My only concern is that the
jack itself (the yellow tipped DC barrel plug) gets warm to the touch. I
cautious about powering the pack for a long time because I'm afraid of
having the plug overheat and do some major damage.
So my question is...is this heating up of the plug normal? am I just
being paranoid, or is something dangerously wrong with my battery pack.
That's it, thanks in advance!
Paul
PS. Datheads has always been an excellent source for info and everybody
has been extremely helpful...I can't wait until I exit newbie status and
am able to provide answers for other newbies such as myself.
Anyhow, thanks.
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@lightlink.com>
Subject: CD-R Labeling
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:58:32 -0800
>From: "Paul Galis" <hotrats@xsite.net>
>Subject: CD-R Labeling
>Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:04:59 -0600
>
>I figured that I'd add my two cents with the recent concern about the use of
>Sharpie Permanent Markers on CD-r media. I read recently that any Permanent
>marker, such as a Sharpie, is not the best choice for labeling because some
>chemical properties of the ink can actually penetrate the disc surface and
>cause damage to either the reflective layer or the dye layer below the
>surface. A water based ink is the recommend choice for labeling
>applications. I am pretty sure that the Sanford Sharpie is not water based.
> Another route you may want to take is to label your discs on the center
>plastic ring as opposed to the disc itself. This way you won't have to
>worry about which kind of marker you use. Granted, you can't write set
>listings or other information of great length on the small plastic center,
>but a date and bands name is all that some of us need so the disc doesn't
>get misplaced.
>
>Paul G.
>
With permanant markers, I'd assume that after a certain period of time
after the ink dries (within a day or so), the ink isn't going to seep
through any further. If it hasn't caused any damage by then, I'd have to
assume it isn't going to do any.
Of course, I don't have all the facts, and I may have no idea of what I'm
talking about. :) YMMV.
Peace,
<> David
URL me at http://www.lightlink.com/drogers/
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"You can kill a thousand; you can bring an end to life; you cannot kill
an idea."
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