DAT-Heads Digest #149
Contents:
mini discs, my 2 cents (Blue Tao)
Carnegie Hall in NYC (Paul Rafanello)
KCRW-FM (Adam Aronson)
Re: Carnegie Hall in NYC (Seth Breidbart)
recording DAT to CD-R (Howard Crowe)
==>> Go Utes!<<== (Yalk)
Look in the other hand (Yalk)
looking for Grisman & Rowan dsbd 12/20/97 (john r levene)
Re: CH/Galactic (shaun gilmour)
DAT Tape Storage (Peter Wildermuth)
Re: Sound Processing when moving Cassette>DAT (CUNNINGHAM@PSC.EDU)
re:Hunter/Galactic (Craig Savarick)
D100 voltage and my D8 (cwb@msu.oscs.montana.edu)
Re: DAT tapes getting old? (john horzepa)
RE: Tascam DA20mII (Daniel E Sisler)
Vitalized Recordings (zac bolan)
john lobgmire are you out there??? (john r levene)
Re: Flashing 'Cleaning' light, Panasonic/Technics DA-10 (Sascha Dungs)
iso one sv255 dead battery (Kent Tomita)
re: Sound Processing when moving Cassette>DAT ("victor g. stickel")
Re: early digital - NOT (Dan Swinehart)
tape baking - warning!... (David Nolan)
From: Blue Tao <BlueTao@aol.com>
Subject: mini discs, my 2 cents
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:07:46 EST
I think that a minidisc deck is a worhty addition to anyone's home stereo. I
bought a JE-510 minidisc deck for 175 dollars new at best buy last month and
have enjoyed it.I take the dats i listen to the most and transfer them them to
minidisc, for ease of use, random play options, titling etc The compression is
not nearly as bad as some would make it out to be. I cannot tell the
difference in tests I've done on my humble system. Give them a try, they are a
great portable music format. And now I never go anywhere without putting my
sharp minidisc player in my pocket. =) mike
From: Paul Rafanello <intone@warwick.net>
Subject: Carnegie Hall in NYC
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 05:40:35 -0500
Has anyone ever stealthed at Carnagie Hall in NYC? I'll be recording Dar
Williams on 05.01.98, and want to make sure I don't run into any problems.
Paul Rafanello
intone@warwick.net
From: Adam Aronson <adam@aronson.net>
Subject: KCRW-FM
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 06:15:17 -0500
simon says:
>From: simon@icu.com
>Subject: KCRW Tapers ?
>Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:58:35 -0500
>
>did anyone record Robbie Robertson on KCRW-FM, tuesday, 3-17-98?
>i'd *really* appreciate a copy. blanks & postage gladly provided.
Actually... For those of you who are lucky enough to have KCRW and,
specifically "Morning Becomes Eclectic" I would be interested in seeing
what anyone who tapes this show semi-regularly has on their list.
Adam Aronson
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Carnegie Hall in NYC
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 06:42:05 -0500 (EST)
> Has anyone ever stealthed at Carnagie Hall in NYC?
I've seen people get caught there, too, but I think it was The Band's
people who caught them, not Carnegie Hall's. It's a high-class place,
they don't search or anything, but I'd recommend dressing
appropriately.
Seth
From: Howard Crowe <howardc@promicro.co.uk>
Subject: recording DAT to CD-R
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:07:36 +0000
Hi all,
Not much DAT content I'm afraid, but i want to start putting some of my DAT
and Analog tapes onto CD-R.
If I record the tape to the PC's hard disk as one file, what software can I
use to insert track markers (don't know if there's a proper term for this)
into a single wav file so that when it's written to CD you can skip tracks
etc?
Or should each track be recorded individually and burned using the DAO
setting? If so, how can I ensure a clean and accurate transition from one
track to another?
Also, what can I do (if anything) about DAT's recorded at 48kHz?
I think this has been covered before but couldn't find the reference.
At present it would just be recording through the line input on my
Soundcard (Soundblaster AWE32), so there's none of this SP/DIF stuff
transfering codes from the DAT etc. Later I may get a soundcard that I can
hook up to digitally, but I just want to get started.
Thanks for any help,
- Howard
From: Yalk <Yalk@aol.com>
Subject: ==>> Go Utes!<<==
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:16:26 EST
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Regards,
Klay Anderson
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: Yalk <Yalk@aol.com>
Subject: Look in the other hand
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:15:56 EST
CosmicKC <CosmicKC@aol.com>
Subject: Lower electronic's price's
Economically asked:
<<I remember seeing Mr. Greenspan telling the media that with the current
situation in the Asian market we (americans) will see much lower prices on
electronic's.
Where is it???>>
It is in the corporate bank, sir, under "profits". We won't *ever* see it
under "price reduction".
Also note the airlines have made a *bundle* on the 30-cent-per-gallon price
reduction of jet fuel. But we did not see lower fares, now did we?
Regards,
Klay Anderson
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: johnlevene@juno.com (john r levene)
Subject: looking for Grisman & Rowan dsbd 12/20/97
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:43:24 -0700
If you have the above mentioned tapes I would really like to trade. I
have the motherload of bluegrass and acoustic jazzy tapes.
john
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From: shaun gilmour <sgilmour@pgh.net>
Subject: Re: CH/Galactic
Reply-To: sgilmour@pgh.net
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:18:47 -0400
kolla_jj@students.uwlax.edu (Jeff Kollath) wrote:
>
> my next question is about the current galactic/c.hunter tour. what is the
> taping situation? how long does each group play? i hope to them in madison
> on april 17 and am really looking forward to seeing both of them for the
> first time. thanks in advance for the help.
>
Neither of the artists are allowing board access,
but as always they will allow mics and stands.
As far as length of set goes...
just the other night Charlie treated everyone to
a 1 1/2 hr set, but has also played 45 min long
sets as well. So there's no determining how long
they are each going to play. Since Galactic is
headlining expect them to play a little longer
than the CH set.
If you are taping, a 60meter should be plenty for CH
and Galactic should run a little longer than 60meters
so either bring a 90 or (2)60's for them. If you get
a copy of the show please contact me. I've got lots
of Galactic masters to trade.
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From: Peter Wildermuth <wildermut@mail.hartford.edu>
Subject: DAT Tape Storage
Reply-To: wildermut@mail.hartford.edu
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:48:43 -0500
Hello, I just recently got into taping with DAT and I just wanted to
know the best possible way to store them. Any help is greatly
appreciated. Thanks.
From: CUNNINGHAM@PSC.EDU
Subject: Re: Sound Processing when moving Cassette>DAT
Reply-To: cunningham@PSC.EDU
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:22:31 -0500
>I have a bunch of cassettes that I would like to move to DAT and CDR,
>if I bring them onto my computer (CS>DAT>HD) - and have cooledit pro and
>soundforge to use, what re-eq methodology should I use to increase
>dyanmic range and reduce hiss? (or what should I do)
>Off the top of my head I would say
>1) remove hiss
>2) normalize
2) SoundForge has a normalize function. You'll want to normalize the entire
tape in one .wav file, (both sides) so that the mastered dynamics are
preserved.
1) SoundForge has an expensive noise reduction plug-in that works great with
cassettes. You just mouse over a sample of the tape hiss from the beginning or
end of the tape or between songs, to get a template for the noise, and then hit
go. It believe there are less expensive alternatives to SF.
3) EQing should not be used to change the dynamics. I think SF has an
expander, most likely located under Dynamics. If you do expand, be sure to
"gain compensate" to keep from going into the red.
pUNK
From: CSavarick@comsysinc.com (Craig Savarick)
Subject: re:Hunter/Galactic
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:15:22 -0500
Actually Charlie Hunter is opening for Galactic. I saw Pound for Pound in NYC a
few weeks ago (getting ready for this tour). Their sets ran about an hour.
>From: John Choe <choey@erols.com>
>Subject: re:Hunter/Galactic
>Reply-To: choey@erols.com
>Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:18:33 -0500
> From: kolla_jj@students.uwlax.edu (Jeff Kollath)
> Subject: galactic/c.hunter taping?
> my next question is about the current galactic/c.hunter tour. what is > the
> taping situation? how long does each group play? i hope to them in > madison
> on april 17 and am really looking forward to seeing both of them for > the
> first time. thanks in advance for the help.
> eapfp
> jeff kollath
>Both bands are taper friendly..Galactic is opening for Charlie Hunter &
>Pound for Pound, so they should play 1-1&1/2. A 60m dat should do.
>Charlie probably will go close to 2hrs., you may want to pop in a 90m,
>or use the end of Galactic if need be. P for P is just the name of his
>current lineup btw..I'll be taping them on Sun. in Baltimore, if anybody
>wants a patch off my newsed set of Geffel m300's.(Thanks Paul!)
>peace, choey
Craig Savarick
Comsys
Information technology services
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csavarick@comsysinc.com
From: cwb@msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: D100 voltage and my D8
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:28:12 MDT -0600
Well last night I got to experience full had what the voltage coming in an
out of a D100 an do to recording with a D8.
I got to String Cheese maybe 10 minutes after the doors opened and there
were proably 4 decks set up already (which is a lot for Bozeman), anyways
I noticed someone was using an Oade cable and ther was an empty
digi out awaiting. I checked out the deck and saw it was the new shiny D100
(ooohhh, ahhhh) anyways I totally forgot about the differnt voltage or
watts (whatever that's different). I plug my deck in to start recording
Keller Williams and everything seems fine, I check back a little later and I
notice that my program number is at around 9, and I'm like what the hell.
Sure enough, I was getting these weird digital pops or something that was
making the levels go over and also putting new start ID's and programs
on the tape. After a few minutes of some serious thinking I finally remembered
the difference and remedied the situation.
Just thought I'd share.
Conor
From: john horzepa <jjh@cybernex.net>
Subject: Re: DAT tapes getting old?
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:39:06 -0500
At 03:15 AM 3/27/98 EST, cspaar@top.monad.net wrote:
>> I'm getting a little disheartened with DAT these days. Some older tapes
are
>> starting to generate errors. What's the point in spending all this time
and
>> money for a killer recording that will only last 4-5 years and then turn to
>> crap?
>>
>What's everyone thoughts on this topic.....people that have some older DAT
>tapes please comment if you do have this problem? Should I be backing up
>each tape every 2-3 years before deterioation sets in? 8-(
>
>Thanks,
>Clint
>
Rather than back up all your DATs every 2-3 years (an expensive,
time-consuming practice that also eats into time that could be spent
cloning new DATs) practice "massive parallel backups", i.e. trade with lots
of people and spread the music around. This way, in the event that one of
your tapes starts to go bad odds are pretty good that someone else out
there has a pristine copy that you can clone when necessary. Of course,
this implies that you make every effort possible to generate good, clean,
error-free clones to start with, but that should be your goal anyway.
FWIW, my oldest DATs are 5.5 years old and show no signs of increased error
counts.
john
From: Daniel E Sisler <Daniel.E.Sisler@marshmc.com>
Subject: RE: Tascam DA20mII
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:46:38 -0600
i was wondering if anyone could share their positive(or negative)
experiences with the TascamDA-20mkII home unit...thanks, dan
"do what you have to do not to worry" - jerry garcia
From: zac bolan <zbolan@zbolan.com>
Subject: Vitalized Recordings
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:12:00 -0600
I can't bear it anymore - I HAVE TO COME CLEAN, i listen to digital
recordings through this amazing analog compression/expansion device. This
thing breaths so much life into recordings that I can't bear to listen to
a tape without it now. It's called a "SPL (sound performance laboratory)
Vitalizer Stereo MKII". My buddy owns a recording studio and he uses it
to put the final icing on a mix before mastering CD's. When i heard what
it did for my tapes - I bought it immediately. (Don't worry - anyone who
trades tapes with me gets the original unaltered dub). This device has 4
"sections", DRIVE (-20 > +6db), SOUND=ADBASS=ADCOMPRESSION with 4 controls
for bass and mid-hi tune, HI-EQ, and STEREO EXPANDER. The detail that
this thing is capable of pulling out of muddy recordings is astounding.
I've made a few recordings with my CSB Battery Box > D7 setup that were
quite good by stealth standards, that sound like Scheops > HBB when
played through this device. I also use it to sweeten up recordings before
burning CD-R's. I may even start to dub some of my favorite analog tapes
to DAT through this thing.
Does anyone else use something like this? Has anyone heard of a digital
equivalent? How about a plug-in for Cubase VST?
cheers
zac
From: johnlevene@juno.com (john r levene)
Subject: john lobgmire are you out there???
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:53:29 -0700
hey John - whats your new email?
the other JL
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From: phantom@W-SPECHT.rhein-ruhr.de (Sascha Dungs)
Subject: Re: Flashing 'Cleaning' light, Panasonic/Technics DA-10
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 05:56:55 +0100
Don Lindbergh <dabl2@nes.nlm.nih.gov> wrote:
> I have a Panasonic/Technics DA-10 machine which is about seven years old
> but which has had what I would call fairly light use over this period.
Could you give a rough estimation how much hours per week you`ve
used the deck?
> I will have to look up how to display the hours on the head if that's
> possible and also the error count reading.
I don`t know whether the total hours can be displayed somehow,
but if I remeber right, the combination was "mode, reset &
pause" to get into the error-rate display, the you can cycle
with "mode" through it and leave it with "reset".
> Stupid or smart, I never so much as ran a cleaning tape through it, so
> it doesn't surprise me at all it could need one.
Oh, there used to be people on this list who could get near a
heart attack when reading this...:-)Anyway, my good old Pioneer
D-500 hasn`t seen a cleaning tape for over thousand hours, too.
> than a swab will it? Does anyone know *exactly* what causes the
> 'cleaning' light to flash, ie what could make it flash other than actual
> dirty heads.
AFAIK, the "cleaning" light is triggered by the error-rate
counter. When it goes up (over 300 on both heads together?), the
"cleaning" light flashes. Therefore, I`d first have a look at
the error-rates, and if they`re normal, ignore the flashing. But
if they`re high, possibly your heads finally are worn out.
> remedied I'd of course do that. Seems like perhaps the $50 would be
> better invested in a new deck? Any opinions/comments greatly
> appreciated.
If you don`t miss LP, I wouldn`t go for a new deck. The DA-10 is
a very good and solid deck, and a new deck would be either much
more expensive than a head replacement or it`s cheap and
plastic.
Please excuse my English, I haven`t written in it for quite a
long time.
Regards,
Sascha
From: Kent Tomita <ktdat@conch.net>
Subject: iso one sv255 dead battery
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:35:51 -0500
Hello,
I'm trying to find a dead or used battery for my panasonic sv-255 that
i can use for a dummy battery. The 2 i sent eco charge were unusable
any help would be appreciated!!
peace->KT
From: "victor g. stickel" <vgs2@columbia.edu>
Subject: re: Sound Processing when moving Cassette>DAT
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:44:21 +0000
will...i have had good luck bringing some vhs-hifi (audio) recordings
onto my computer (vhs>dat>hd)...and then normalizing in sound forge
and using the cooleditpro hiss removal...the recordings sound great
after that, .be careful when normalizing in sound forge..i recommend
the rms option for normalizing, ..of course each song will have to be
normalized a different amount unless they are all from the same
original source..i usually mix my normalized, hiss reduced songs
using cooleditpro and burn onto a cd or write back to dat (dj type
work)....i have noticed one problem, however,..i don't know if
cooleditpro recognizes LBA drives..cooleditpro always tells me there
is only 4 Gb of free space on my 8 Gb drive (which i have actually
partitioned into one 5 Gb and one 3Gb logical dos drive)..thus, i
think it (cooledit) only thinks a drive can be 2 Gb max implying 4
Gb total when in reality there is 8 Gb free...needless to say this
prohibits me from doing more than around fifty or sixty minutes of
music...the only workaround that i have come up with is to "submix"
two 35 min clips and then make my final mix in another program such
as cakewalk (it seems to recognize the fact that i have
ample space)...maybe someone elese can comment on this it could be
that something is wrong with my system ???
vic
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From: Dan Swinehart <swinehart@parc.xerox.com>
Subject: Re: early digital - NOT
Reply-to: swinehart@parc.xerox.com
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:50:51 PST
Earliest use of digital audio (not recorded) that I have encountered
was developed by Bell Labs in the early 50's to multiplex rural
subscriber lines, 24 per T1, just like now. I believe the current
telephone mu-law standard was at least the approximate coding
then as well, but I've forgotten that level of detail. This is, as
I recall, only short years after Shannon figured out that the
crazy idea would work.
Of course this is sufficiently off-topic that I should be chastised
and we should drop the whole subject.
Dan Swinehart
From: David.Nolan@harpercollins.com (David Nolan)
Subject: tape baking - warning!...
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:59:35 -0500
Hey now - Just to clarify a recent post about baking old tapes -
As far as I know, it is probably NOT a good idea to bake your DATs - the problem
as described sounds different than the analog problems that can be remedied by
baking.
The tape baking thing is used on analog reels, mostly from the mid 70's thru the
mid 80's, where the binder has broken down to a gooey consistency - most reel-
to-reel tapes with this problem are virtually unplayable - reels slow down,
making a horrid squealing noise as the gunked up tape struggles to slide over
the gunked up heads, usually grinding to a halt after a period of 30 seconds to
5 minutes. Some tapes are worse than others (sometimes a tape will appear to
play normally, but upon reaching the end of a half-hour tape, the heads are
crusted over with oxide and binder) - but baking usually restabilizes the
majority of these problems. This is not to be confused with certain brands of
tape that have problems with oxide flaking off in little dry bits and flakes -
baking is for gooey binder, not for dry little flakes.
If your DATs were suffering from binder breakdown, you'd most likely be having
much bigger problems much earlier in the playback of each tape. And your deck
would be too gunked up to play any other tapes normally.
Another thing is the fact that reels are generally made of metal (and we
transfer all tapes to be baked to metal reels if the reels are plastic). Even
if the problem with your 5-year-old DATs was due to binder breakdown, I would be
worried about warping the plastic elements of the DAT shell.
Disclaimer - I am not a "real engineer", just a self-taught audio technician
with a few years experience restoring historic tapes. If anyone reading this
has true scientific knowledge about any of the above, I would welcome any and
all clarification and/or correction. And if any of you out there are Sonic
Solutions NoNoise users, I'd love to hear from you to trade tips on the quirks
of restoration, especially spoken word stuff like I've been working on.
Hope this prevents any disastrous misapplications of convection baking to
anyone's DAT collection...
David Nolan
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HarperCollins Publishers
10 E. 53rd St. - 3rd floor Audio Studio
NYC NY 10022
(212) 207-6937
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