DAT-Heads Digest #150
Contents:
Grovel: 03/26/98 Phil & Friends (Scott Greenbaum)
D100 and IDs (Anders Johansson)
Tascam DA-20 and lp mode (Anders Johansson)
Looking for : Casio DA-7 (KgB)
3-21-98 (CLARKDA@NKU.EDU)
dat tape life (AZawodny@mobile.bam.com)
recording DAT to CD-R ("victor g. stickel")
Wisconsin taper(s) wanted / Missing Digests (bob)
ISO Ornette Coleman 7/97 (randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU)
recording DAT to CD-R (Keith Moulton)
ISO: Rane MS1 or other cheap Mic Preamp (Robert Hardin)
Lowest price ever on Pro CD Recorder $1500! ("Gary Davis")
ISO: B&P Ani DiFranco shows? (Colin Stefani)
Re: Telarc Cannons! (Seasob)
RE: Where to go from here? (andyhof)
Re:interesting findings working with old DATs (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
Re: early digital - NOT ("Charles M. Quinn")
Ratdog Philly 4/3 (Dave Frankel)
Re: Carnegie Hall in NYC (NYLifer)
DAT tapes getting old? (Seeley Scott)
From: Scott Greenbaum <mdprop@erols.com>
Subject: Grovel: 03/26/98 Phil & Friends
Reply-To: mdprop@erols.com
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:29:39 -0400
I'll keep this shameless crap-ola short: HOOK ME WITH THE 03/26/98 PHIL
& FRIENDS PLLEEEAAASSSSEEEEE!!!!!
Sorry,
Scott G.
--
***************
Scott Greenbaum
mdprop@erols.com
From: Anders Johansson <ajo@algonet.se>
Subject: D100 and IDs
Reply-To: ajo@algonet.se
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:34:30 +0100
When I go from D7>coax>DA-20 I get the music and the IDs over to the
copy (the DA in auto mode of course) . When I do the same with the D100
I don't get the start IDs over! I have also tried to use the new optical
cable POC-DA12P connected to the D7 and using the Fostex COP-1 - but the
same result: no IDs. I have not used the RM-D100K device so far - it so
expensive. How many of you D100 owners get the start codes over to the
copy when you go from the D100??
replies appreciated
Anders
--
It's the latest gigg I ever played in my whole life
- but what the heck - here we go! 1994 M.S.
From: Anders Johansson <ajo@algonet.se>
Subject: Tascam DA-20 and lp mode
Reply-To: ajo@algonet.se
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:21:52 +0100
I have many lp-mode 32 kHz tapes of excellent quality. The mayor part of
these were recorded with a Sony 690 deck. When I play these tapes on the
DA-20 I get small drop outs every five minutes. The error rate is
excellent - no problem (E00 00). When I get back to the location with
the drop out - it's not there! But after a couple of minutes I get
another one etcetera. When I play the same tape on my D7 or D100 there
are no drop outs! Could it be that the DA-20 is "not so well adjusted"
for lp mode?? The drum on the DA is in perfect shape.
Any one out here with a good idea??
all the best from Anders
--
It's the latest gigg I ever played in my whole life
- but what the heck - here we go! 1994 M.S.
From: KgB <siga@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Looking for : Casio DA-7
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:45:22 -0400
Hello,
I'm looking for a rechargeable Ni-Cd battery for use with the Casio DA-7.
Thank you.
KgB
siga@sympatico.ca
kgb
Zlf Corporazion inc.
siga@sympatico.ca
end.
From: CLARKDA@NKU.EDU
Subject: 3-21-98
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:46:51 -0400 (EDT)
Hey all,
I posted this last week but I guess it was lost in one of the missing digests.
I taped Fat Mama on 3-21-98 in Cincinnati, Oh. They're a Boulder-based 7 piece jazz band. A
little rock and/or funk in there, too. If anyone is interested, I'll roll some
copies. The recording is very nice [SBD>SBM-1>DA-P1 @ 44.1 kHz] and I think
you jazz enthusiasts would probably dig it. If there's enough interest out
there, I'll assemble a little mini-tree. Show runs 2:20 so I can fill it with
an up and coming local band (Ray's Music Exchange) who opened that night.
Ray's is in the same vein as Fat Mama, creating a name for themselves and I
believe playing one of the lesser side stages at Horde this year as well.
Send e-mail to me w/ Fat Mama 3-21-98 in the subject line.
--Dan
From: AZawodny@mobile.bam.com
Subject: dat tape life
Date: 27 Mar 98 15:23:04 EST
Regarding DAT longevity:
I have DAT tapes that I recorded in 1991 that play flawlessly today, and
they were Denon DT120s that I ran copies of my bands demo off onto cassette,
so it got the shit played out of it.
AZ
From: "victor g. stickel" <vgs2@columbia.edu>
Subject: recording DAT to CD-R
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:35:44 +0000
>Not much DAT content I'm afraid, but i want to start putting some of
>my DAT and Analog tapes onto CD-R.
>If I record the tape to the PC's hard disk as one file, what
>software can I use to insert track markers (don't know if there's a
>proper term for this) into a single wav file so that when it's
>written to CD you can skip tracks etc?
goldenhawk's cdrwin DAO software
http://www.goldenhawk.com/
>Or should each track be recorded individually and burned using the
>DAO setting? If so, how can I ensure a clean and accurate transition
>from one track to another?
>Also, what can I do (if anything) about DAT's recorded at 48kHz?
>I think this has been covered before but couldn't find the
>reference.
resample using soundforge, cooleditpro, etc..but if you are using
your soundblaster inputs (probably a mistake since you will be using
the A/D converters of the sounblaster) it doesn't matter ..you will
be able to choose the sampling rate and bit depth through your
computer based recording software (eg.. soundforge, soundblaster's
Sound 'LE, etc)
> At present it would just be recording through the
>line input on my Soundcard (Soundblaster AWE32), so there's none of
>this SP/DIF stuff transfering codes from the DAT etc. Later I may
>get a soundcard that I can hook up to digitally, but I just want to
>get started.
>Thanks for any help,
>- Howard
hope this helps
vic
"stick"
////
|--00 http://www.columbia.edu/~vgs2/
C ^
\ ~/
"yuneh de wa yaneh de ga ... de wa"
dead can dance
From: rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (bob)
Subject: Wisconsin taper(s) wanted / Missing Digests
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:13:40 -0600
Did anyone receive digests 138, 141, or 147? None of them showed up in my
mail nor are they in the archives. I suppose 138 may or may not have been
created, but I sent this post mid-day yesterday, right where digest 147
should have been (apologies if anyone receives this twice). 141 should have
been, if nothing else, auto generated on the 22nd... Something appears
broken...
Anyway, if you've sent something to the list recently and haven't gotten a
response, you might want to check to make sure it didn't fall into one of
those digests...
And now on with the pleading:
I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who:
- will be in Wisconsin on these dates
- is stealth capable (neither act is anti-taping (e-mail for quotes if you
wish), but for whatever reason, can't/don't allow board access or stands/
open taping),
- would be available to tape one or more of these nights
Wed, Apr 8, 1998 @ 7:30 pm - Dar Williams* / Katryna & Nerissa Nields
Lawrence University, Stansbury Theater, Appleton*, WI
920-832-6749, Katryna & Nerissa Nields open, $4(student)/$12(public)
Thu, Apr 9, 1998 @ 8:30 pm - Dar Williams* / Katryna & Nerissa Nields
The Rave, Milwaukee*, WI
414-342-7283, Katryna & Nerissa Nields open, $11
Fri, Apr 10, 1998 @ 8:00 pm - Dar Williams* / Katryna & Nerissa Nields
Barrymore Theatre, Madison*, WI
608-241-8633, Katryna & Nerissa Nields open, $15 **SOLD OUT**
Desperate enough to pay for your ticket if it comes to that (unfortunately
the Madison date is already sold out... If you've already got a ticket and
are planning on taping, I'd *really* like to hear from you... ;) ) and
certainly willing to work out a nice trade. More than willing to work with
unideckers, too.
Interested in both acts as there will probably be collaboration between both
in at least one or the other's sets (since they've contributed to one
another's albums in the past). After years of performing as part of a trio,
then a quartet, and now a quintet, this will mark the only appearance of the
Nields sisters as a duo in recent memory and I'd hate to not hear these.
bob
From: randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU
Subject: ISO Ornette Coleman 7/97
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:12:13 -0800 (PST)
hi yall!
anyone out there happen to capture any part of this run (4 or 5 shows)
that Ornette did at the Lincoln Center last summer?
wanna trade?
-rand0m
From: Keith Moulton <km34@columbia.edu>
Subject: recording DAT to CD-R
Reply-To: Keith Moulton <km34@columbia.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:32:35 -0500 (EST)
> From: Howard Crowe <howardc@promicro.co.uk> wrote:
> If I record the tape to the PC's hard disk as one file, what software can I
> use to insert track markers (don't know if there's a proper term for this)
> into a single wav file so that when it's written to CD you can skip tracks
There's a great little program called CDWave available at
http://resource.simplenet.com/files/cdwav.zip that allows you to easily
split up long wav files into separate files easily. You can do the same
thing with CoolEdit but it's a little more cumbersome.
> Or should each track be recorded individually and burned using the DAO
> setting? If so, how can I ensure a clean and accurate transition from one
> track to another?
Recording each track individually accomplishes the same thing.
Basically, one wav file = one track. Whichever way you go depends
simply on what's most convenient. You should pretty much always get
your wav files loaded onto your hard drive and disc layout before burning
them all at once in DAO mode.
> Also, what can I do (if anything) about DAT's recorded at 48kHz?
Well, if you're just going to use your analogue line input then
you don't have to do anything differently. If you later on decide to get
a sound card with SP/DIF inputs then you will have to make sure that it
can handle 48kHz (the Guillemot HomeStudio card, for example, won't), and
you will have to consider the best way to resample it to go onto the
standard 44kHz CD.
> At present it would just be recording through the line input on my
> Soundcard (Soundblaster AWE32), so there's none of this SP/DIF stuff
> transfering codes from the DAT etc.
Y'know, I started with an integrated SoundBlaster chip with the
AWE32 ISA upgrade card on my Dell, and it sounded really bad. Extremely
poor frequency response (all "s"'s disappeared). So I got the $40 Ensoniq
Audio PCI and it made all the difference in the world, even though it (of
course) lacks SPDIF. I got mine at www.carlind.com. I have a feeling
that prices of soundcards with SPDIF are going to drop quite a bit in the
next year so I'll wait.
Hope this helps,
Keith Moulton.
OperaStuff: http://www.columbia.edu/~km34 email: km34@columbia.edu
From: Robert Hardin <direwolf@psnw.com>
Subject: ISO: Rane MS1 or other cheap Mic Preamp
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:07:18 +0000
Looking to get a used Rane MS1 mic preamp to hook up to a pair of AKG
c1000s mics that I'm planning to buy. Lists for $199, but would like to
pay a lot less used. If anyone have anything else in that price range,
I'm open to suggestions. Peace, and happy taping!
--
Good to know you got shoes to wear
When you find the floor
Why hold out for more?
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Lowest price ever on Pro CD Recorder $1500!
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:01:15 +0000
I have one (only) demo Pioneer RPD-500 CD Recorder to sell for $1500.
Takes $1 blank discs, has sample rate converter, start_ID
converter. Tested to make *true clones* of 44.1K material.
Please email me for more info, I also have a brochure I can fax you.
thanks----Gary
From: Colin Stefani <silversurf@seanet.com>
Subject: ISO: B&P Ani DiFranco shows?
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:28:50 -0800
Hi there-
I'm looking for Ani DiFranco shows of any year. I would like to a B&P trade
if I could as I don't have much Ani to trade. If you can help me out please
email me and we'll set something up.
thanks-
Colin.S
silversurf@seanet.com
From: Seasob <Seasob@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Telarc Cannons!
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:06:00 EST
>I bought the CD to experience the "digital cannons" which had been
> recorded, and for the record, I was super-UN-impressed by the sound
> and the performance on this disc.
Ahhhh, Gary, this posting warmed my li'l heart. I too, fell prey to the
braggadosio of Telarc's cannon claims on their 1978 1812 Overture recording...
...HOWEVER...
I got it WAY before CD's came out, on silky vinyl in 1979 or '80. The record
would end up getting a lot of play from me NOT for the sound quality, but
rather for the laugh-riot HOP the tonearm would make off of the record when
the cannon sounded (unless you weighted the tonearm with, say, an apple).
Nothing shows the grace and power of Our Nation's Mighty Ordnance than a
decisive BLOW to all our turntables. Plus it was a great party trick.
Incidently, the grooves, at the point of those shots, spread out dramatically
and zig-zagged almost vertically. No wonder they invented lasers!
Sorry for the divergence...back down into the soop....
Keith :-)
From: andyhof <andyhof@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Where to go from here?
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:47:25 -0500
>>CosmicKC <CosmicKC@aol.com> wrote in article
>>"Subject: Where to go from here?"
>>Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:30:23 EST
>>I own a Tascam DA-P1 and a set of Nak 300 microphones.
>>I plug these directly into the xlr's on the DA-P1
>>and do most of my live recording this way. My
>>question is what should I get to upgrade my set-up?
>>I have been happy with the recordings I have made.
>>Kelly L Casey
Well Kelly,
The bottom line is that you have been happy
with the recordings you have already made.
This is the most important part.
But to upgrade........new microphones.
Truthfully, I have NEVER seen Nakamichi
microphone use in the professional field.
My suggestion would be to rent a pair
of mics from the local pro-sound shop.....
and give them a whirl. Usually the shop will
credit your rental fee if you purchase through
them. Just give them an ask as to which
mics to try. Many companies produce many
good mics in many price ranges. Give a few
a listen!
Regards,
Andrew Hofstetter
Reuters TV Int. Ltd.
New York Bureau
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Re:interesting findings working with old DATs
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:44:48 -0800
One other hypothesis. Most of the tapes were rewound to 2-3 minutes into
the tape and most of the problems were found at the end. In addition to
the effect of gravity (combined with the weight of the tape itself) causing
shear stresses bw the layers of tape (since most of the tapes were stored
on the large side of the case), I suspect the following is equally (quite
possibly more) important. During storage, the "end of the tape" was
tightly wound inside all the rest of tape since most of your tapes were
stored 2-3 minutes from the beginning. I suspect the overall forces,
including the normal forces which act normal (perpendicular)to the "plane"
(since the tape is wound its not really planar so really I'm talking about
the overall inward radial forces)of tape are greatest in this inner region
since it is confined by all the tape around it(and its tightness). Over an
extended period of time these "inward radial forces" (in addition to the
shear forces you mention) may take their toll. The tighter radius of
curvature (during storage your "end of tape" was stored in a
tighter/smaller radius of curvature than the beginning region of tape)may
also play a role. It does play a role since tensile stresses are developed
on the magnetic media side and compressive stresses are developed on the
back side. How significant a role it plays is another story, I say it
shouldn't be overlooked since these stresses make it easier for things to
attack (such as moisture/humidity/rusting). I'm pretty certain that tape
being wrapped in a circle is not its "neutral/natural/at ease position".
It would do better if it could lay flat(but thats
unrealistic)............Pete
From: "Charles M. Quinn" <cmquinn@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: early digital - NOT
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:15:34
> Earliest use of digital audio (not recorded) that I have encountered
> was developed by Bell Labs in the early 50's to multiplex rural
> subscriber lines, 24 per T1, just like now.
Didn't I read somewhere that Moses brought down DAT tablets only they were
based on the base 10 system.
Charles
From: Dave Frankel <gdave@uscom.com>
Subject: Ratdog Philly 4/3
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:52:27 -0500
I have two extras for Friday's show.
From: NYLifer <NYLifer@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Carnegie Hall in NYC
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:12:47 EST
In a message dated 98-03-27 18:32:09 EST, Paul Rafanello <intone@warwick.net>
writes:
> Has anyone ever stealthed at Carnagie Hall in NYC? I'll be recording Dar
> Williams on 05.01.98, and want to make sure I don't run into any problems.
How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Stealth, stealth, stealth.
I've been very lucky in the upstairs booths. Great views, good sound, and nice
privacy to set up ALL your gear once you get it in. Just don't stick your mics
out *too* far out through the balcony railing.
Robert
From: Seeley Scott <Seeley_Scott@prc.com>
Subject: DAT tapes getting old?
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:32:18 -0500
>Rather than back up all your DATs every 2-3 years
>(an expensive, time-consuming practice that also
>eats into time that could be spent cloning new DATs)
>practice "massive parallel backups", i.e. trade with
>lots of people and spread the music around.
Absolutely. Whenever I get in an impossible-to-find or beloved tape, I
always send out a few copies right away. Send 'em off for B&P to
newbies or old trading partners, contact people I know are interested in
that particular artist and offer a trade, etc. I also keep a log of
everyone I've traded with & what was traded, and am perfectly
comfortable begging them for a replacement copy later if one of my tapes
craps out down the road. And of course I'm always eager to help out
others if they should hit me up for a replacement sometime (as a matter
of fact, one did just this week - hiya Joe!). This is one of those rare
cases where it's both: a) good karma, and b) can save your weenie butt
in case the shit ever hits the fan. :-)
peace,
Scott
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