DAT-Heads Digest #152
Contents:
Extra T.J. Kirk DAT (Lerdawg)
Insurance ("c.m. reysen")
Inquiry of Rowan/Grisman collectors (ABershaw)
Two will do (Yalk)
Abbey-normalizing (Yalk)
Re: mic question (Tom McCreadie)
Ahhhhhhhh How Times Change.... (Yalk)
radio shack caps?? ("pat k")
Re: early digital - NOT (Stephen Whitaker)
ISO: Pink Floyd Momentary Lapse of Reason tapes (Brent5552)
Uncle Jon's Woodshop (http://ujws.com) (Steve Zimmerman)
Simple Minds ? (mike)
address for writing to sony (Oliver Friedman)
Re: Soundcards, FFT software and more (Oliver Friedman)
D8/D100 questions ("Ross Warren, Jr.")
corrected URL Tomi Engdahl's electronics info page (Stephen Whitaker)
newbie offer ("ROB")
Tool in SoCal (Dave Thomas)
From: Lerdawg <Lerdawg@aol.com>
Subject: Extra T.J. Kirk DAT
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:18:15 EST
Hello,
I have an extra 90m T.J. Kirk DAT available to the first one who emails
me and can supply a blank and postage. The show is from the Elbo Room
in Chicago, 11/2/96, recorded with Neumann KM-140 microphones. This
is the (infamous) show where Charlie Hunter threatened to walk out and
leave if the people didn't stop smoking! He also tells the crowd to all
"go on back to the frat-house". Musically, though, the tape is incredible!
Also on this 90m is Phish from Austin, TX 7/26/97 Set 1, and the flatbed
truck jam from the Clifford Ball.
Email me at Lerdawg@aol.com
Mike
From: "c.m. reysen" <ISOTEB@concentric.net>
Subject: Insurance
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:31:20 -0800
Just wondering what kind of insurance i should get for my dat,mics,preamp...
et cetera. setup before I go on tour???? I know about the deck insurance from
faq, but what about me mics and preamp, or if they get stolen??
Thanks,
Stephen R.
From: ABershaw <ABershaw@aol.com>
Subject: Inquiry of Rowan/Grisman collectors
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:58:21 EST
Hi all,
Have any Peter Rowan/David Grisman collectors
ever run across a live recording of their late 1960's
band Earth Opera?
Earth Opera's 2nd album has striking resemblances to
the Dead's 2nd album "Anthem Of The Sun". I'm simply
curious if ANY live recordings exist & I'd love to
listen to one.
Thanks for the inquiry space! Alan
From: Yalk <Yalk@aol.com>
Subject: Two will do
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:53:42 EST
From: Robert Hardin <direwolf@psnw.com>
Subject: ISO: Rane MS1 or other cheap Mic Preamp
asked:
<<Looking to get a used Rane MS1 mic preamp to hook up to a pair of AKG
c1000s mics that I'm planning to buy. Lists for $199,>>
Yea, ok, fine. *But* did you know that it is a single channel device that
only runs on AC?
Regards,
Klay Anderson
1.800.FOR.KLAY
http://www.klay.com
From: Yalk <Yalk@aol.com>
Subject: Abbey-normalizing
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:00:24 EST
From: CUNNINGHAM@PSC.EDU
Subject: Re: Sound Processing when moving Cassette>DAT
Suggested:
<<2) SoundForge has a normalize function. You'll want to normalize the
entire
tape in one .wav file, (both sides) so that the mastered dynamics are
preserved.>>
I have to interject that doing this to your audio, unless it is pretty bad to
begin with, only makes it sound worse in our tests. Nobody's "normalizing"
program helps the audio; it usually degrades it. But if that is *all* you've
got......
<<1) SoundForge has an expensive noise reduction plug-in that works great
with
cassettes. You just mouse over a sample of the tape hiss from the beginning
or
end of the tape or between songs, to get a template for the noise, and then
hit
go. It believe there are less expensive alternatives to SF.>>
Two things; in reverse. There may indeed be cheaper NR plugins, but they
sound worse than SoundForge. And Soundforge's NR can be made to work pretty
good, *if* you don't use it too much.
Regards,
Klay Anderson
1.800.FOR.KLAY
http://www.klay.com
From: Tom McCreadie <mccreadi@simplex.nl>
Subject: Re: mic question
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:07:04 +0100
In Digest #148 Nick Zuiderveld wrote:
>
>i've recently come across some AKG D-200E mics, and I was wondering
if =
>anyone out there knew anything about them, are they suitable for
taping =
>shows?
>
This is a robust dynamic mic with a fixed cardioid pattern. Output
sensitivity is 1.4mV/Pa; frequency response 30 - 17000 Hz, +/- 2 dB;
max SPL about 128 dB for 0.5% distortion; impedance 200 ohm; XLR
outputs. The main feature is a double-element system - one for 800 -
17000 Hz coaxially mounted over the other for 30 - 800 Hz -
essentially freeing the mic of the "proximity effect" which dogs all
pressure gradient microphones.
I haven't used D 200E's but the more refined (and 50% dearer) big
brothers, the D 202ES, based on the same double-element principle,
were the first serious mic's I owned and I would suggest you look out
for bargains in those. These are "Studio quality" mic's,
close-toleranced for better stereo pair matching, with a useful
variable bass roll-off of 0 - 20 dB at 50 Hz. Some of my old ORTF and
NOS array recordings made with the D 202ES's dynamics don't sound too
shabby at all when compared to subsequent efforts with Calrec and
Schoeps condensers.
You should be able to get a half decent recording with an XY pair of
D 200E's, especially at pop venues where the lower mic output levels
and phantom-free operation may be welcome. The rather large unit
size, though, and the inability to separate the capsule from the body
would make it difficult to stealth. Unless of course your definition
of stealth agrees with mine.... having your gear hanging quietly from
the roof of the hall before the public starts streaming in the door
<g>.
__
Rada R. Higgins
c/o <mccreadi@simplex.nl>
c/o Keizersgracht 63 B
1015 CE Amsterdam
HOLLAND
From: Yalk <Yalk@aol.com>
Subject: Ahhhhhhhh How Times Change....
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:10:58 EST
"Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
wrote:
> I have a Telarc CD of the "1812 Overture" that was recorded September
> 6, 1978 on a Soundstream digital tape recorder with Schoeps mics.
> Soundstream recorders were (to my knowledge) hand-built, stand-alone
> digital tape recorders which pre-date PCM and CD recording. That's
> almost 20 years ago!
>
> I bought the CD to experience the "digital cannons" which had been
> recorded, and for the record, I was super-UN-impressed by the sound
> and the performance on this disc.
I know Dr. Stockham and how hard he worked on this little project. I also
know that if one *puts it into perspective* this is a milestone of recording.
One may say that Caruso's records sucked or that the Beatles' recordings are
lousy, but *put in perspective* they all work out.
Regards,
Klay Anderson
1.800.FOR.KLAY
http://www.klay.com
From: "pat k" <hoobash@hotmail.com>
Subject: radio shack caps??
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:45:43 PST
I was at my local radio shack today and found some small mic caps for
about $3 a peice. Mybe there the same as the panasonic caps?? I was
thinking about making a little stealth rig with these. Anyone ever try
this?? It looks like I'll need to make a battery box for them. Heres the
specs on them.
Cat No. 270-092b
Omnidirectional
Sensitivity:-65dB +4dB
(odB ref 1v/ubar at 1kHz)
Output Impedce: 1k ohms
Supply Voltage: 2.0V min, 10v max
Nominal Supply: 4.5V
Current Drain: 1.0ma max
Any Input on this???? thank pat Hoobash@hotmail.com
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From: Stephen Whitaker <whitaker@sover.net>
Subject: Re: early digital - NOT
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:06:27 -0500
>"Charles M. Quinn" <cmquinn@primenet.com> wrote:
>Didn't I read somewhere that Moses brought down DAT tablets only they were
>based on the base 10 system.
Chuck, methinks it was even earlier than that.
In the beginning, before the bang (and I don't mean cannons)
Gravity had it all turned OFF. The bang happened and it was all ON
As it spread out, that where all the analog stuff came in.
Stephen
>Subject: Re: early digital - NOT
>
>> Earliest use of digital audio (not recorded) that I have encountered
>> was developed by Bell Labs in the early 50's to multiplex rural
>> subscriber lines, 24 per T1, just like now.
>
>Didn't I read somewhere that Moses brought down DAT tablets only they were
>based on the base 10 system.
>
From: Brent5552 <Brent5552@aol.com>
Subject: ISO: Pink Floyd Momentary Lapse of Reason tapes
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:00:31 EST
Any kind souls out there with 1987/88 Pink Floyd shows, Momentary Lapse of
Reason Tour??
Particularly:
??/??/87 Forum; Montreal Canada
5/11/88 Olympic Stadium; Montreal, Canada
(the Forum show might be 1988 as well, i'm going on bad memory)
These were my first Floyd shows, and my HS grad year. It would really mean
alot if i can find copies of these. Have lots to offer in trade.
Also looking for any Recent Erykah Badu, Steel Pulse and Fishbone.
Thanks for the BW,
--D
Brent5552@aol.com
From: Steve Zimmerman <steve@netopus.com>
Subject: Uncle Jon's Woodshop (http://ujws.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 23:53:32 -0800
>From: Peter Wildermuth <wildermut@mail.hartford.edu>
>Subject: DAT Tape Storage
>Reply-To: wildermut@mail.hartford.edu
>Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:48:43 -0500
>
>Hello, I just recently got into taping with DAT and I just wanted to
>know the best possible way to store them. Any help is greatly
>appreciated. Thanks.
>
>To Peter and anyone else with similar concerns:
>
>I too have been pondering this problem. I have found at least one
>viable solution. As my tapes are really getting out of hand, I decided to
>enlist the services of a woodshop I remembered built tape cases. I got the
>number and realized that it was local! I payed him a visit and found he
>lived but a mile down the road for a quick preview of his stuff. This guy's
>got the right idea, making *nice* DAT, video, and I think CD storage
racks. He offers
>multiple sizes and woods, different finishes, etc. I
>checked a few out and they were SOLID. I'm not talking like those shitty
Napa
>presswood cases, but more like nice hardwood furniture. Anyways, his name is
>Jim Kral. He said he just got a web page up at www.ujws.com.
Jim's case are the very best you can buy. Period. They are not cheap, but
you get exactly what you pay for, quality. In addition, from my
conversations with him on the phone, he seems like a really nice guy in
addition to being a consumate craftsman, which doesn't hurt in my book.
Steve
Steven A. Zimmerman | Phone (415) 461-8420 | Fax (415) 461-2270
NetOpus Incorporated | SoftSell Systems | Barclay & Company, Inc.
steve@netopus.com | steve@tapetracker.com | steve@barclay.com
http://netopus.com | http://tapetracker.com | http://barclay.com
From: mike <flimber@writeme.com>
Subject: Simple Minds ?
Reply-To: "flimber@writeme.com" <flimber@writeme.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:09:09 +0100
Anyone capture Simple Minds from their most recent tour ?
I'll give you a couple of 3M 90m sealed tapes per show.
From: Oliver Friedman <OliverFriedman@compuserve.com>
Subject: address for writing to sony
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 05:30:55 -0500
From: alex55@webtv.net:
>I was wondering which office you dealt with when writing a letter about
your DTC690. I"ve experienced extensive problems and would like to know
where I can have my story be heard. Thanks for any help you provide.
<
I wrote to the Sony headquarters in Germany. =
I described the problem with my machine from a *technical* point of
view.
(You may need assistance for this. Probably you will have to pay some
dollars to a service technician who opens up the case of the recorder
and does some measurements with an oscilloscope. Ask him, whether you =
may be present at the time he performs this. Have a camera with you. =
Take pictures of what can be seen on the scope screen. Write down the =
comments of the technician.)
The letters included copies of the Sony repair center documents which =
proofed that Sony two times tried to repair the machine within =
warranty.
I mentioned that with each of this repairs the constitution of the
machine became worse. To serve as evidence I accompanied the letters
with tapes recorded on the machine. =
They asked me to ship the machine to the Sony Germany central service
center and offered me repair free of charge.
I shipped the machine accompanied by a letter in which I wrote that I
wouldn't be interested in getting the recorder back. Instead I would =
prefer to bring my relation with Sony to an end.
The Sony chief technician inspected the machine and reported to the =
headquarter. =
Then I got my money back.
The keynote of my argumentation was:
I wanted a recorder to make recordings which can be played back.
You offered me such a recorder. I payed you money for it.
There is proof of evidence that the recorder you sold me isn't
suited for the above mentioned purpose.
Therfore I suggest you the cancellation of the contract.
My first impression after having my money back was, that they =
simply wanted to get rid of me. The proceedings I initiated began =
to be more expensive for them than the refund for the recorder.
But about three months later I received a letter from Sony, =
accompanied by a questionaire and calling card. It obviously was =
part of an action for the improvement of knowledge about the =
opinion of unsatisfied Sony customers regarding Sony products =
and service.
The more upstairs the floor is where you are working, the less =
you know about what's going on downstairs. Therefore keep polite =
when writing to the floors upstairs.
Regards,
Oliver
From: Oliver Friedman <OliverFriedman@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Soundcards, FFT software and more
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 05:30:52 -0500
Chris Allison wrote:
>Hi Oliver,
>
>I tried the web sight as you put in you post and it failed. Would you be=
kind
>enough to send me the Web sight again? Thanks Chris Allison =
>
>http://hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/
<
Oh, sorry! I forgot the WWW
It's: =
http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/
^
|
Regards,
Oliver
From: "Ross Warren, Jr." <rwarren@i-america.net>
Subject: D8/D100 questions
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:39:03 -0500
Croweman,
Send your D8 to ProDigital and get them to fix your loose
jack. Probably would not cost very much at all. Or use Oade
Bros, whichever is closer to you. Don't send it to Sony.
Their flat rate repair is way over priced for getting a new
jack soldered on. Only use Sony if the repair is for
something like new heads.
Pro Digital Inc.
700-B Parkway Blvd.
Broomall, PA 19008
Phone: 610-353-2400
As for the D100 being an upgrade: Yes, it has a better,
cleaner preamp than the D7/8 ever did. And yes, it is
noticeable on the recordings when done through the Mic In.
I started with the D7 and moved to a D100 (still have the
D7 as a "spare" and for times when my nephew wants to
record something on the same night that I want to do
something different, i.e. local bar show vs Phish). I had
Sony (via ProDigital) put new heads on the D7 so hopefully
(knock on wood) it'll last a good long time.
Good luck. Moving to a new D100 would be nice, but don't
just "throw away" your D8 when it could be fixed for under
a 100 bucks.
BTW, the D100 is not battery friendly. I get around 1:45 on
a set of AA's if I DON'T use the light very much OR give a
patch out (something hard to do at a Phish show where there
are lots of people wanting patches out). And the NImH
batteries that come with the D100 are not very reliable.
Had them last only 20 minutes on me after an overnight
charge, but then last 2 hours the next time. I don't trust
them for recording anymore, just for playback.
I can get away with AA's when running stealth. The 1:45 to
2 hour time is fine for most bar shows.
However be aware that giving a patch out (or running
headphones) will significantly reduce recording time by
almost half! So much so that for open taping shows like
Phish or WSP, I use a homebuilt 3 - D cell battery pack for
my D100. It'll run the thing for 10 to 16 hours depending
on light/patch out conditions. That is powering it thru the
external power jack. People that have modified their D100's
to be powered thru the INTERNAL battery contacts and have
reported getting 45 hours of use with a 3 - D cell
powerpack.
Also, I've heard rumors that Eco-Charge is working on a
rechargeable powerpack for the D100/M1. That'll be nice.
Peace,
Ross Warren, Jr.
infinite diversity, infinite combinations
From: Stephen Whitaker <whitaker@sover.net>
Subject: corrected URL Tomi Engdahl's electronics info page
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:54:23 -0500
Oliver Friedman <OliverFriedman@compuserve.com> wrote
>Subject: Soundblaster AWE 64 Value Edition
>BTW: Have a look at Tomi Engdahl's electronics info page
<snip defective URL>
The correct URL is:
http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/
From: "ROB" <shiner@massmed.org>
Subject: newbie offer
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:10:52 +1200
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Ney Now,
I did some spring cleaning and found the following doubles:
The Dave Matthews Band (3 x 90m)
12/31/94 Marriott Ballroom Richmond VA dSBD>DAT 2:51:15
2/24/95 Roseland Ballroom NYC with Popper & Trey SBD>DAT 90m =
(+filler 5/10/95 Oakland)
5/10/95 Yoshi's Oakland, CA acoustic set ?SBD>DAT 49:00 (filler on =
2/24/95)
12/31/95 Hampton VA SBD>DAT 2:40=20
Ominous Seapods (60m + 90m)
10/25/97 Bogies Albany NY=20
Widespread Panic (90m)
6/26/97 Red Rocks CO Schoeps>DAT=20
Clapton (60m)
1/18/90 Royal Albert Hall London SBD>DAT 2:02=20
Santana (60m)
1969 Avalon Ballroom SF CA mreel>DAT ~45:00
=20
That comes to a total of 5x90m & 3x60m. i would like to give them all =
to one person in exchange for new, labeled, sealed DATs & a SASE. First =
one to respond gets them all. If you don't here back from me there =
already taken.
=20
peace
rob=20
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From: Dave Thomas <dgthomas@indiana.edu>
Subject: Tool in SoCal
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:53:30 -0500 (EST)
Anyone who taped the tool shows in LA this weekend I have many high
Quality tool shows to trade and many other bands of the same genre, Korn,
Helmet etc. email at dgthomas@indiana.edu for a DAT list
Also if anyone went could they send me the setlists?
Dave
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