DAT-Heads Digest #171
Contents:
Reverb (Paul Rafanello)
F/S: Audio Technica 4033 microphones ("Clark D. Ritchie")
CDR Questions Answered and Cool Edit / CDR tricks ("Gary Davis")
Sony 501ES PCM unit for sale (John Fulton)
Can I use these DDS machine to extract DAT audio? ("Tai-Wook,Kim")
RE: Program for DAT J-Cards ??? ("J Martin")
Ben Harper - live MP3 (Victor Yiu)
RE: Program for DAT J-Cards ???? (Mattwillia)
CDR AUDIO SOFTWARE,HELP PLEASE (ANDREW PALAMARA)
Recording DAT straight to CDR? ("Graham Baker")
Re: Dangerous Low Voltage ("Bernd Laengerich")
ISO : Current 'June of 44' tour tapes (Andrew)
Re: Radio Shack In-Line volume control (David Olstein)
SCMS-ectomy on a D100 (Yalk)
Could you guys pass this along? ("(System Administrator)")
sony pcm m-1 cables (J.M. Shoemaker)
From: Paul Rafanello <intone@warwick.net>
Subject: Reverb
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:12:37 -0400
HBO's "Reverb" was one of my favorite series on HBO last summer. It's
returning, and here's the latest info from www.rockontv.com. Set yer decks!
REVERB, a weekly series spotlighting some of music's hottest artists, will
launch its second season on Sunday, April 26 (11:00 p.m. -midnight ET) on
HBO2, the network's second multichannel feed. Slated for 13 hour-long
editions, with other new episodes debuting on subsequent Sundays at 11:00
p.m., each show captures three to five different artists in high-energy
live club performances, interspersed with interviews and backstage footage.
The series has been shooting on location in music clubs on the east coast
since the start of the year and will continue production through the
spring. REVERB can also be seen Friday late nights on the main HBO channel
beginning May 15.
Kicking off Reverb's second season will be The Mighty Mighty Bosstones,
Smash Mouth and Save Ferris. Other episodes will feature Bad Religion, Civ,
Paula Cole, Kacy Crowley, Alana Davis, The Devlins, Pete Droge, Francis
Dunnery, G. Love and Special Sauce, David Garza, Gaunt, Goldfinger, Ben
Harper, Mary Lou Lord, Lotion, David Poe, Steve Poltz, Spring Heeled Jack,
Chris Stills, Sugar Ray, Todd Thibaud, Third Eye Blind, Jen Trynin and
Chris Whitley, with others to be announced.
Paul Rafanello
intone@warwick.net
From: "Clark D. Ritchie" <ihomebrew@bigfoot.com>
Subject: F/S: Audio Technica 4033 microphones
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 21:09:42 -0700
F/S: Audio Technica 4033 microphones
Email me for info. Thanks... CDR
Clark D. Ritchie
mailto:ihomebrew@bigfoot.com
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: CDR Questions Answered and Cool Edit / CDR tricks
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:19:06 +0000
There are easier ways to solve some CDR problems:
> After I dump the show to my hard drive (In 1 large file) I use Cool Edit Pro
> http://www.syntrillium.com/ to touch up the recording (if necessary) and
> figure out where the track breaks should be.
>
> By zooming, and playing the soundfile from particualr locations with the
> handly movable start-pointers in Cool Edit I point to the start of the track
> (down to the thousandth of a second) and then convert the time into frames
> (75ths of a second)
>
> for example if we had a break at just over 1 minute and 23 seconds:
>
> 01:23:456
>
> (which is displayed in large letters at the bottom of Cool Edit Pro when I
> point to a location of the file)
>
> I convert the sub-seconds to CD "Frames" by multipliying by 75
>
> .456 * 75 = 34.2 which rounds to 34 frames
You actually don't need a calculator for this, you just need to
change Cool Edit to display time in 75ths of a second.
With Cool Edit 96, the procedure is:
Options>Settings>General
type "75" into the box for "Custom Time Code Display (Frames/Second)"
then, select:
View>Display Time Format>Custom
You only have to do this once, and Cool Edit will stay in this mode
forever. You can then read the exact time in Mins:Secs:75ths on the
lower right of the screen.
Hint: I find most CD players are a little "late" when going to
indexes, and you should set the index about 5 - 75th's less than
where you really want the track to start.
> Subject: Recording DAT straight to CDR?
>
> Does anyone know of software that can record DAT output straight to CDR
> without making a hard disk file first?
>
> I have a Zefiro Acoustics ZA-2 linked to my Tascam DA30mkII by AES-EBU.
>My CDR is the Ricoh MP6201S, and I'm running Windows 95.
>
>Also, is there any way to cause the Start IDs on the DAT to create
>corresponding tracks on the CDR?
It is extremely easy to copy a DAT directly to disc, and convert
start_ID's directly to CD tracks. Unfortunately, you have the wrong
platform. DAT>CD copying is most easily done with a Stand-Alone
Audio CD Recorder, such as the Pioneers that I like, or the low-cost
new Philips CDR 670 which will soon be in every discount store in the
nation.
I'm not sure why you can't go directly from audio to CDR with a
computer, but I have a feeling it's because of the underrun risk.
Question to software writers: has anyone even tried this?
>
> I've just finished cleaning up a two-hour+ concert (cutting out DJ
> comments, cross-fading the reel flip, etc) onto two CDRs and it was a
> pain with only 6.4 GB to work with.
>
> First thing is that SoundForge XP (which comes with the ZA2 card) is not
> as disk-efficient as the newer full-featured versions. When you load a
> file it creates a temp version so you need at least 3x as much disk
> space as the file you start with (original, temp and final versions).
>
Computers are extremely good for this kind of editing, but it can be
done with much less disc space, typically, under 1GB.
Cool Edit 96 usually needs double the file size (not three times),
but in cases of simple changes (NOT editing which changes the
length), it can actually re-write only the changed part, so it barely
needs more than 1x the file size in these cases.
However, the main way to reduce the disc space requirement is to work
on the project one track at a time, instead of editing 1-2 hour
chunks.
The easiest way I know to break a concert into tracks is to use
software that will automatically make separate files based on
start_ID's. (Otherwise, you will probably need more than 1GB to
break up the file...) The software I use for this is Jeff Arnold's
(Goldenhawk) Disc At Once. Now you're saying to yourself, but DAO
only reads discs, not dats. Well, there is a catch to my method:
instead of a digital soundcard, I use the Pioneer Stand-Alone
recorder and a $1.29 CDR to move the data from DAT to my computer.
Not only does the data come in as one file for each track, but you
can re-load any file from the CDR and get exactly the same data (with
the same start and end points). Great if you want to go back to the
original file.
Editing these 50-150MB files is quite a bit easier than handling 1GB
at once, particularly if you have several disc partitions. There's
one other problem. If you change the length of any file (except the
last one), and the track doesn't end in silence, you really should
"adjust" (delete more data) the length of the file to get it to a 558
sample boundary. There is no particularly easy way to do this in
Cool Edit, but here is one way:
After editing your file, take the total length in samples (from the
lower middle area of the screen) and punch it into your calculator.
Divide by 588. If you have an "Integer" button, punch it, if not,
you have to do it manually: lets say the display reads 12345.687,
punch in just the 12345 part. Now multiply by 588. This is the
"goal length" for your track. Normally, you can delete the extra
data (less than a 75th of a second) from the end of the track. I
used to do this by trial and error, but here's a semi-automatic way.
In Cool Edit, select View>Viewing Range.
In the first box, type in the goal length. Hit <tab>, and...
In the second box, type in 999999999 (9-9's).
Because the viewing range setting starts at "0," you have
actually selected the part you want to delete. Now,
Double-Click on the middle of the waveform display (to select
everything displayed), and push <DEL> to delete it.
(NOTE: if you need to delete less than 5 samples, you should select
them manually as Cool Edit doesn't display less than 5 samples at
once).
Here is another trick to save space. Whenever I change a
track, I rename it with an "X" at the end. Therefore, any track
without an "X" is identical on the original CDR. So, if I need more
space to work on another track (temp versions, for example), I can
delete any un-X'ed tracks, and reload them later from the original
CDR.
>>>WOW! Here is a cheap new way to transfer DAT>CDR>Computer<<<
If you don't feel up to buying a pro CD Recorder, you could do the
same thing with the cheap home Philips and a re-writable disc! The
consumer RW disc might cost $25, but if you use the same disc over
and over, it's not a big deal.
--Gary
From: John Fulton <jfulton@vt.edu>
Subject: Sony 501ES PCM unit for sale
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 00:19:29 -0400
Hey now....Above digital audio processor for sale. Great condition,
everything works, looks immaculate, owners man. included.
Cheap DAT alternative :)
$275-firm
I pay shipping and maybe throw in a clone or two if you want. Thanx for the
space. -Miles
Please send replies to: rgarrett@erols.com
From: "Tai-Wook,Kim" <constant@gong.snu.ac.kr>
Subject: Can I use these DDS machine to extract DAT audio?
Reply-To: constant@gong.snu.ac.kr
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 13:38:28 +0900
Hello. long time no see..
I want to know HP 1599 (4GB DDS drive) and SONY SDT-S5000 (4GB DDS,too)
can be used for extracting Audio data (*.wav or *.raw) from DAT tape.
Can it be done w/o any special programs? or.. It's impossible w/ these
machines? or.. which DDS drive can extract Audio from Normal DAT tapes?
Thanks. Have a nice day.
<constant@gong.snu.ac.kr> Tai-Wook,Kim - Constant 1998.4
p.s. I'll work on Pentium machines. (not workstations.)
From: "J Martin" <jmartin1@san.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Program for DAT J-Cards ???
Reply-To: "J Martin" <jmartin1@san.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:14:50 -0700
Try this site for jcards. It requires a PDF or PS viewer, but makes good,
simple jcards for analog or DAT. Works for all platforms, I believe.
http://www.gsia.cmu.edu/andrew/hsm/label/
jm
From: Victor Yiu <vyiu@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Ben Harper - live MP3
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 01:18:05 -0500
Ben Harper - Mr. Mr. (live)
10.05.95
Macky Auditorium
UC Boulder, CO
http://www.rockpark.com
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From: Mattwillia <Mattwillia@aol.com>
Subject: RE: Program for DAT J-Cards ????
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:48:40 EDT
Taylor wrote:
>Is there a place that has a program for making your own DAT J-crads?
>If there aren't any programs, what about personal J-Cards?
Then Daniel wrote:
>I've looked & there is no 'stand-alone' J-card program that I've seen.
There is one program that I use for DATs that is a stand-alone. CasLinr is the
name. It does J-Cards for DATs as well as cassettes.
It was written by Ed Adasiewicz. and you should be able to download a copy at
the
following address:
http://user.mc.net/~eda
You may want to give it a try. Its small and gets the job done without many
frills.
As usual, I have nothing to do with this program. I just use it.
Matt
From: andrewp@iaccess.com.au (ANDREW PALAMARA)
Subject: CDR AUDIO SOFTWARE,HELP PLEASE
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:35:28 +1000 (EST)
I AM NEW TO DAT-HEADS AND I HAVE JUST BOUGHT MY FIRST DAT RECORDER,A SONY D-100.
I ALSO HAVE A CDR BURNER AND I AM WANTING TO PUT MY LIVE RECORDINGS FROM
DAT > CDR.NOW THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THAT I WANT TO INSERT TRACKS INTO THE
LIVE RECORDING WITHOUT LEAVING GAPS OR PAUSES AFTER EVERY TRACK.I RECORD THE
DAT TAPE AS A WAV FILE SO WHEN I RECORD IT ONTO CD IT COMES OUT AS 1 TRACK,I
WANT MANY TRACKS SO I CAN LISTEN TO WHATEVER SONG I LIKE ON THE CD.
IS THERE ANY SOFTWARE THAT CAN DO THIS? IS THERE SITES ON THE WEB?
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME.
THANKS IN ADVANCE
ANDREW
andrewp@iaccess.com.au
From: "Graham Baker" <Plantek@bigpond.com>
Subject: Recording DAT straight to CDR?
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:14:07 +1000
>From: Tim Godfrey <tgodfrey@unicom.***>
>Subject: Recording DAT straight to CDR?
>Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:33:07 -0500
>Does anyone know of software that can record DAT output straight to CDR
>without making a hard disk file first?
>Thanks,
>Tim.
Yes, Adaptec's 'Easy CD Creator De-luxe' has a sub-function called 'Spin
Doctor' which allows the analog input to the soundcard to be directly
streamed and recorded to the CD-R without creating a .wav file on the
hard drive.
It also has a lot of other 'de-clicking' and editing functions. Most of
these are rudimentary and require copying to HDD to 'doctor' the signal
anyway.
Graham Baker
From: "Bernd Laengerich" <BL@carus.de>
Subject: Re: Dangerous Low Voltage
Reply-to: bl@carus.de
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:17:37 +0100
Gary Davis wrote:
> badly. (On the other hand, a car battery with one wire connected to
> a piece of aluminum foil, and the other to a screwdriver, can be
> fun... we didn't have fancy DAT machines when I was a kid).
As with most "fun" things, you should warn:
"Kids: Don't try this at home".
By drawing arcs from the foil small hot particles can reach the eyes.
I know everyone did those funny things, perhaps several years ago.
I myself experimented as kid with high voltage from two car inductor
coils in antiparallel connection. The first thing was using an old
relais but it burned out very fast. Then I made a very simple
circuit, charging an 4.7uF capacitor with a diode and resistor direct
from the wall socket (here in germany 230V AC) and triggering a
Thyristor with a small neon lamp to discharge the capacitor to the
car inductor coils.
_Very_ impressive but I would not recommend to anyone without
experience.
Cheers, Bernd
Bernd Laengerich
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From: Andrew <amd001@magna.com.au>
Subject: ISO : Current 'June of 44' tour tapes
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 22:43:10 +1000
Looking for any Jo44 shows from this tour - Or - any previous shows
JUNE OF 44
09 Apr IOWA CITY IA @ GABE'S OASIS
10 Apr DAVENPORT IA @ KANGA ART GALLERY
11 Apr MINNEAPOLIS MN @ 400 BAR
14 Apr VANCOUVER BC @ CROSSTOWN TRAFFIC
15 Apr OLYMPIA WA @ AEROSPACE
16 Apr SEATTLE WA @ THE BREAKROOM
17 Apr PORTLAND OR @ REED COLLEGE
18 Apr SAN FRANCISCO CA @ BOTTOM OF THE HILL
19 Apr LOS ANGELES CA @ TROUBADOR
20 Apr SAN DIEGO CA @CASBAH
21 Apr PHOENIX AZ @ BOSTONS
22 Apr ALBUQUERQUE NM @ LAUNCH PAD
24 Apr DALLAS TX @ ORBIT ROOM
25 Apr AUSTIN TX @ EMO'S
26 Apr HOUSTON TX @ FITZGERALD'S
27 Apr NEW ORLEANS LA @ MERMAID LOUNGE
29 Apr ORLANDO FL @ BARBARELLA'S
30 Apr TALLAHASSEE FL @ COW HAUS
01 May TAMPA FL @ THE RUBB
02 May JACKSONVILLE FL @ FAT KAT MUSIC HALL
03 May ATLANTA GA @ UNDER THE COUCH
04 May CHARLOTTE NC @ TREMONT MUSIC HALL
05 May CARRBORO NC @ CAT'S CRADLE
06 May RICHMOND VA @ (tba)
07 May WASHINGTON DC @ BLACK CAT
08 May PHILADELPHIA PA @ PONTIAC
09 May NEW YORK CITY NY @ KNITTING FACTORY
10 May CAMBRIDGE MA @ MIDDLE EAST (DOWNSTAIRS)
12 May OTTAWA ON @ LIQUID MONKEY
13 May MONTREAL QU @ THE CABARET
14 May TORONTO ON @ RIVOLI
15 May DETROIT MI @ MAGIC STICK
16 May CLEVELAND OH @ SPEAK IN TONGUES
17 May CINCINNATI OH @ SUDSY MALONE'S
18 May LOUISVILLE KY @ TOY TIGER
21 May ST. LOUIS MO @ SIDE DOOR
22 May CHAMPAIGN IL @ BLIND PIG
23 May CHICAGO IL @ LOUNGE AX
24 May CHICAGO IL @ FIRESIDE BOWL
Also ISO any SHELLAC or SHIPPING NEWS
Lots to trade
Andrew
From: David Olstein <born2run@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Radio Shack In-Line volume control
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:43:55 -0500
I've used the headphone volume control as an attenuator on a few occasions
and it worked just fine. Bear in mind that the volume control provides a
few DBs of attentuation even with the volume turned all the way up (which
is how I used it).
Gary - would the volume control put out any impedence if the volume is
turned all the way up?
>Radio Shack makes a really nifty headphone volume control, with
>stereo miniplug in and minijack out.
>
>THIS WILL NOT WORK AS A SBD ATTENUATOR
>because the input and outputs are backwards! If you use the jack
>for the input, and turn the volume down (which is the whole point),
>you will put a very low impedence (10 ohms) on the sbd, BAD NEWS!
>
>If you really wanted you could add a few cables and adaptors to
>reverse the direction, but this would destroy the simplicity of the
>setup and the extra 1/8" connections are not desirable for
>reliability.
From: Yalk <Yalk@aol.com>
Subject: SCMS-ectomy on a D100
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:14:41 EDT
Duc Tran <dtran@xsvr2.cup.hp.com>
Subject: defeat SCMS on sony TCM-D100
Asked:
<<I wonder whether one can disable the SCMS on TCM-D100,
whether by jumping switch or by software. Since both
unit are very much similar, it should have similar
circuitry. The PCM-M1 disable the copy protection
either by software or my jumping some pins to ground (?)
Anyone has any idea how to disable SCMS on D100 machine?>>
Ah, if life were sooooooooo simple. But noooooooooooooo.
The M1 uses a completely different digital system IC from the D100. A small
little hundred-pin SMD that, assuming it did not cost much and was available,
would take the good part of the day to remove & replace.
Regards,
Klay Anderson
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: "(System Administrator)" <webpromote@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Could you guys pass this along?
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:32:25 -0400
Chris Whitley Announces Open taping policy!
I wonder if you could do a favor, I assist with the Chris Whitley web
board and the new release label and Chris himself have declared an open
tape policy at his shows could you help to get the word out since I know
you are a hub of the taping community.
Here is the web address for the Whitley Web Site
http://phpad.com/whitley/home.htm
Here is the Messenger records web address
http://www.messengerrecords.com
Here is a copy of the post announcing this policy:
OPEN TAPING POLICY!
Posted by Brandon and Seth at Messenger on April 08, 1998 at 21:13:44:
Hi again,
It's Brandon. Chris and we are declaring an open taping policy for Chris
Whitley from now on. We know that many of you tape already and we
encourage it! There will be no soundboard feeds allowed at all, but feel
free to bring your mics and DATs and cassette recorders.
We'll help as much as we can to make Whitley tapes spread. If any of you
tape shows or know people who do for bands like Blues Traveller (who
like CW), Dave Matthews (who LOVES CW), Medeski Martin & Wood, and other
bands, please let them know about Whitley. As I'm sure you know, there
is an entire taping community and we want to expose Chris to them
becuase the grass roots tapers make the music spread faster than any
record company can. Any suggestions or comments, please e-mail us with
"Taping" as your subject. Thanks, and feel free to send us copies!
-Brandon and Seth
Thanks again,
David
From: jmshoe@awod.com (J.M. Shoemaker)
Subject: sony pcm m-1 cables
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:53:38 -0400
i am a DAT newby and i just ordered an m-1 and was wondering what choices
for cables i have. i beleive it takes a coaxle>7-pin cable. i know oade
makes one for 100$! any info would be appreciated.
Joe & Pat
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