DAT-Heads Digest #196
Contents:
Re: Patching from D100/M1 digital output (Rob Garland)
Re: patching from D100/M1 (Rob Garland)
RE: Patching from a D100/M1 (Eric Reichenbach)
Re: KAO bought by TDK? (Gordon Gullahorn)
Clapton DATs (David McGee)
WTB: Used Digital Sound Card (Gordon Gullahorn)
WTB-USED WMD -T1 (BirdSongII)
13-year old punk -- please give me more! ("Eric C. Honour, Jr.")
Looking for some trades! (John Schmidt)
AudioTechnica Mic Answers (Yalk)
DA30 mk 2 - techie questions.... (Digbeth)
SonVolt (Colin Liston)
Open Taping Saturday ("nick@tapetree.com")
Merl(e) Saunders Tonight! (598826@ican.net)
RE: American Digital (American-Digital)
Re: DAT-Heads Digest #194 (Philip Childress)
Mountain Aire Festival 98 (HairryHood)
Oops! (Marc Nutter)
re:Is there somthing as good (Marc Nutter)
Gina digi-out question (John_Clingan)
09/05/82 Glen Helen Regional Park (Glenn & Shellbee)
FS:setup again, price lowered (Robert Blakeslee Gilpin)
dat carrying case (randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU)
Re: Sennheiser Zeppelins (andyhof)
From: Rob Garland <phishingruven@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Patching from D100/M1 digital output
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:23:33 -0400
>From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
>Subject: Re: Patching from D100/M1 digital output
>Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:41:13 +0000
>
>The M1 and D100 use a lower voltage than the D8. This is not a
>"defect" but an "improvement" (in power efficiency).
>
>Therefore, the M1 or D100 cannot directly drive any of the following:
>POC-DA12 RMD3K D7 D8.
>
>I have heard they can drive the Tascam DA-20 or Fostex D5 directly,
>but have not tried it.
>
>==Gary
=================================================================
How is this an 'improvement' when it goes against an industry standard
of 5v spdif? If people weren't having these problems providing patches
with their D100/M1 decks then I could see how your argument might carry
some weight (because lower power consumption is great, but at the cost
of losing flexibility with digital patches?), but with all the reports
to the contrary I don't see how you could call it an 'improvement.'
- Rob Garland
PS: FWIW, my M1 drives my Sony r300 just fine.
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From: Rob Garland <phishingruven@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: patching from D100/M1
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:29:34 -0400
>From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
>Subject: patching from D100/M1
>Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:45:07 +0000
>
>BTW, I have stated the opinion before that Daisy-Chaining is never
>the best option -- you have the "weakest link" syndrome going.
>I am sure a D8 could power 2 D100's, or maybe a D8 and a D100, if you
>used a "Y" cable on it's output. (Actually, I'm not sure since the
>"unapproved" 7>pin coaxial output is not at SP/DIF level. You would
>have to try it).
>
>I recommend more people bring "Y" cables to show as well as
>patches...then you could "Y" the analog input and do your own A>D
>conversion.
Ahh so you think people should use the lower quality A>D converters in
their D8's & D7's rather than be able to take advantage of the DAP1's
higher quality A>D through a digital patch? Not to mention that often
times a high quality external preamp will be in use by the taper, which
those who are patched can take advantage of through the digital patch
out of the lead deck.
I think if people take your advice it will only lead to lower quality
tapes circulating in the long run.
- Rob Garland
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From: HALFSTEP@webtv.net (Eric Reichenbach)
Subject: RE: Patching from a D100/M1
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:29:51 -0400
Gary Davis wrote, "..I have heard that the D100/M1 can feed the DA-20
and D5 directly, but have not tried it myself."
The D100 CAN feed a DA-20 with no problem. (I used a Core Sound
7-pin-to-coax cable.)
ERIC
From: Gordon Gullahorn <gordon@cfaspecial.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: KAO bought by TDK?
Reply-To: ggullahorn@cfa.harvard.edu
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:29:52 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Colin Liston <cliston@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
>
> I recently heard that TDK has bought up KAO. Is this true? Anyone know
> what the deal is?
KAO has a plant on the South Shore or Cape Cod here in Massachusetts,
which is where a lot of their magnetic media are made, including (I think)
DAT's. I recently saw a very brief article that said they were closing
down the magnetic end of this plant (floppies; didn't mention DATs) to
expand their CDR output. Meant to clip it, but....
From: David McGee <keytohwy@staffnet.com>
Subject: Clapton DATs
Reply-To: keytohwy@staffnet.com
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:35:54 +0000
I just got back from taping 6 nights of Eric Clapton. Boston, Philly,
DC and all 3 NYC shows. Schoeps CCM4's. Great tapes..looking for more
Clapton, any tour.
DAVE
From: Gordon Gullahorn <gordon@cfaspecial.harvard.edu>
Subject: WTB: Used Digital Sound Card
Reply-To: ggullahorn@cfa.harvard.edu
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:36:05 -0400 (EDT)
I recently got a PC system with the ooomph to do some serious audio
editing and tweaking, and now need a way to get the data to and from
DAT. This has left me a bit cash short, and I was wondering if anyone
has a digital i/o card they've upgraded or which has just lost it's
shine and they don't use anymore. A ZA-1 would be just fine for what
I want. -- ggullahorn@cfa.harvard.edu
From: BirdSongII <BirdSongII@aol.com>
Subject: WTB-USED WMD -T1
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:04:21 EDT
If anyone has a used d-1 they wanna sell let me know
Ollie
From: "Eric C. Honour, Jr." <ech580@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
Subject: 13-year old punk -- please give me more!
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:48:41 -0500
>------------------------------
>
>From: CUNNINGHAM@PSC.EDU
>Subject: Re: DMB... Improv/Variety??
>Reply-To: cunningham@PSC.EDU
>Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:06:15 -0400
>
>
>>Personally speaking, I think Dave Matthews has been getting stale for
>>years now. All of his songs sound the same anymore.
>'disagree. He seems to be a pretty hard working cat. In my opinion, some
>folks are just born with it. I've always thought that you're as good as
>you're
>ever gonna be by the age of 13. Anyone can practice.
>
>pUNK
>
>
>------------------------------
So you would say that Hanson is the most talented group out there these
days? I'll agree that some folks are just born with it -- there are
Mozarts running around today, too -- but the whole point IS that anyone can
practice. The problem is that misinformed idiots DON'T!
Wouldn't it be a wonderful world if we could have even more music made by
musicians who believe that there is some sort of honor in never bothering
to learn their craft or the technique of playing their instruments? (<---
that's sarcasm, for the terminally foolish) God help me if I have to spend
the rest of my life listening to (or even worse, SOUNDING like)
thirteen-year-olds.
Eric
==========================
Eric C. Honour, Jr.
Composer * Saxophonist * Graphic Designer
MMus (Saxophone Performance and Composition)
Northwestern University
MrTheory@no.spam.nwu.edu
==========================
Black holes are where God divided by zero.
From: John Schmidt <jschmidt@mail.hotchkiss.pvt.k12.ct.us>
Subject: Looking for some trades!
Reply-To: jschmidt@mail.hotchkiss.pvt.k12.ct.us
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:57:05 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Hey! I have some free time in the next few weeks, and I am
looking to set up some trades! I am interested in DMB,
Phish, and many more alternative bands! If anyone wants to
set something up, send your list my way, and I will send
mine back! I would like to try to make them quick trades!
Thanx John
======================
John Schmidt
jschmidt@mail.hotchkiss.pvt.k12.ct.us
From: Yalk <Yalk@aol.com>
Subject: AudioTechnica Mic Answers
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:00:21 EDT
Romain Kang and others asked:
<<What's an AT3527? A-T doesn't have it listed on their
web site. I'm sure dat-heads would appreciate seeing your reply also.>>
Sorry. I'll explain.
AT has shipped (3) new mics in a new 3000-series of reasonably priced, great
sounding mics.
The AT3525 is a large-diaphragm cardioid, the AT3527 is a small-diaphragm omni
and the AT3528 is a small-diaphragm cardioid. All are 48-volt phantom and can
compare favorably to the 4000-series, and are destined to become a dathead
staple.
All mics include a switchable -10db pad and low-cut filter.
I have posted an Acrobat color cutsheet at my ftp site, ftp://ftp.klay.com in
the cute little pdf folder; "AT30_Series".
Not available at the DAT Store......;-)
Regards,
Klay Anderson
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: Digbeth <Digbeth@aol.com>
Subject: DA30 mk 2 - techie questions....
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:19:44 EDT
Any clued-up techs out there know what the function of the links W2 thru W7
are on the digital pcb? They are marked as
W2 mode B
W3 mode A
W4 copy 1
W5 copy 2
W6 al 1
W7 al 0
Perhaps they offer no useful fuctions at all but...........????
Thanks
Pete Lambert
From: Colin Liston <cliston@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
Subject: SonVolt
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:15:58 -0400 (EDT)
Does anyone know what SonVolt's taping policy is? If anyone has any info
please let me know as soon as possible.
thank you
colin
From: "nick@tapetree.com" <nlayman@sprynet.com>
Subject: Open Taping Saturday
Reply-To: <tapetree@sprynet.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:55:59 -0700
Stir Fried w/ Buddy Cage
Saturday - 4/25/98 - 6:30 P.M.
Canes - Mission Beach (San Diego) (619)488-1780
(This place is on the beach - Sunny & 70 Saturday)
* Open Audio Taping Encourage*
Buddy Cage is the featured Steel Pedal Guitarist on over
4 million albums, 8 gold and plantinum. As a member of
"The New Riders Of The Purple Sage" his work is featured
on 10 albums and he has performed with Jerry Garcia, Robert Hunter
and other members of the Grateful Dead. His work on Bob Dylan's
"Blood On the Tracks", "Biography" & "Bootleg Tapes" is a testimony
to his talent.
The G.D. influenced psychedelic moonshine music of Stir Fried coupled with
Buddy Cage's seasoned talent will create one great evening. Open audio
taping
is encouraged. For a soundboard patch, please see the dude with a Nethead
Tee.
For more info write nick@tapetree.com
From: 598826@ican.net
Subject: Merl(e) Saunders Tonight!
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:36:51 -0400 (EDT)
Hello gang!
Quick question,Will anyone be at the Rainforest Preserve in Utica,NY tonight
taping Merle Saunders and the Rainforest Band?I will be there,but
unfortunatly I still don't have mics,and because of their current
Anti-Soundboard stance I'm searching for a patch!It's quite last minute,I
know,considering the show is tonight,but I just got my ticket.Any help
and/or info would be great.Thanks again for the bw,
Steve
DAT list:http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/backstage/3891
From: American-Digital <dan@am-dig.com>
Subject: RE: American Digital
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:09:48 -0400
>> Does anyone know how I can get in touch with this company, phone # or web
address? Also, any opinions or experiences in dealing with them would be most
appreciated.
Thanks,
D. Ferguson >>
My Mom thinks were cool!
web page:
http://www.am-dig.com
phone #
888-USA-DATS (872-3287)
Thanks-
Dan
__________D_a_n___ H_a_u_g_h_______________
American-Digital...For ALL your digital recording needs!
Email: dan@am-dig.com Phone: 888-USA-DATS
URL: http://www.am-dig.com
*****************************************************************
Looking for Pearl Jam, Phish, Jerry, Sheryl Crow, WSP,
Bonnie Raitt, REM, Eric Clapton, DMB, Dead 1985-91
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From: Philip Childress <philip@plee.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-Heads Digest #194
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:45:15 -0700
Hello Seth and All:
I am very interested in the subject of sound editing and desperately want to hear a
discourse on the subject of normalizing. DATHeads is probably not the proper venue
for this discussion and is the reason you didn't amplify on your assertions about
wrong normalizing and digitizing noise. Seth, can you suggest some place we can go
to discuss this point and several others, like dc-offset, it's cause and cures?
Thanks.
/Philip
=========================
> From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
>Subject: Re: Abbey-normalizing
>Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:29:57 -0400 (EDT)
>
>>Hey Klay - could you please expand on why _not_ normalize? It would seem
>>like the natural way of expanding dynamic range... Other than that,
>>what would you suggest?
>
>Once a tape is made, normalizing cannot increase the dynamic range
>(basically, nothing can). The problem with normalizing is that if
>it's done foolishly (that is, the easy way: multiply every sample by
>whatever number scales the largest sample to 0dB), it increases the
>quantizing noise. Better algorithms exist, but they're slower.
>
>Seth
From: HairryHood <HairryHood@aol.com>
Subject: Mountain Aire Festival 98
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:12:55 EDT
What up fellas!- Hey can anyone out there drop me some info on the Mountain
Aire Festival in Angels Camp on May 24th. I know the headliners are
Widespread, Leftover Salmon, Ben Harper, and the Greyboy Allstars. It's a
tapers dream!! I know Ben Harper's management are dicks about taping! What's
the situation, since all the other bands are taper friendly! Cheers!- Mike
From: sncsns@henge.com (Marc Nutter)
Subject: Oops!
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:19:39 -0600
Hi All,
In a hasty move this morning, we lost most of the email received in the last
24 hours. If you sent email to Sonic Sense sncsns@henge.com and haven't
received a response, please send again.
We'll be in touch ASAP.
Thanks.
Marc
Marc Nutter--Sonic Sense
Box 61141
Denver, CO 80206
(303) 698-1296
http://www.henge.com/~sncsns
email: sncsns@henge.com
From: sncsns@henge.com (Marc Nutter)
Subject: re:Is there somthing as good
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:19:30 -0600
bilirwin@erols.com wrote:
>I have been trying to save money for the Sony R500; but I just can't do it.
>Is there a home DAT deck almost as good for less money.
Hi Bill and All,
I must admit that I really like the R-500 and actually just parted with mine
to get an R-700 (absolute overkill for the general tape trading application
but it sure sounds like fun).
Still, while the R-500 immediately made my list of favorite DAT machines,
there are quite a few features that we can do without if we just want to
clone tapes (ie. shuttle wheel, balanced in/outs, etc..).
With this in mind, I would strongly consider the R-300 (excellent error
correction) or DA-20 mk.II. I am finding the R-300 ($599 delivered) to be
more tolerant of time without cleaning than the Tascam is, but I really like
the way the DA-20II ($750.00) handles start id's and scms.
For our complete listing of new and pre-owned DAT machines, microphones,
pre-amps, batteries, and lots of accessories, including Rental and demo
options for everything we carry, check out the Sonic Sense website at
http://www.henge.com/~sncsns
We look forward to helping you with all your recording needs.
Marc
Marc Nutter--Sonic Sense
Box 61141
Denver, CO 80206
(303) 698-1296
http://www.henge.com/~sncsns
email: sncsns@henge.com
From: John_Clingan <John_Clingan@brown.edu>
Subject: Gina digi-out question
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:26:14 -0400
I have the Ecco Gina (I think...the small one w/ coax digital out) sound
card on my PC and I ran into a little problem when trying to hook up my d8
to it digitially. It faithfully records FROM the D8 to my HD, but when I
try to record onto my D8 from digital out on the computer sound card, I got
a SCMS "copy prohibit" flashing at me when I try to record. What's up? How
can I fix this? Thanks
john
/___/___/___/___/___/___/___/___/___/___/___/___/___/___/___/___/___/
John Clingan
Brown University
john_clingan@brown.edu
x.4433
From: Glenn & Shellbee <rosebud1@mindspring.com>
Subject: 09/05/82 Glen Helen Regional Park
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:39:15 -0400
Howdy....
A while back i was looking for a copy of this amazing show on dat. A few
other people emailed me as they were looking for it as well...Well i found
a dat board from an analog source. There is some hiss and its lacking a
full base sound, anyone have any access to a program to help clean it up?
I have a 30 band eq and will try as well.....
glenn
From: Robert Blakeslee Gilpin <robert.gilpin@yale.edu>
Subject: FS:setup again, price lowered
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:13:45 -0400
The DAT package mentioned before for an absurdly high price(hey I'm new
at selling equipment) all for $1025.
(1) Sony TCD-D7,
(1)Sony ECM 737 microphone,
(1)Fostex D5 deck
I will still throw in 10 dats, either pre-recorded live GD(rare and hq)
or blanks, whichever and a Core Sound 7 pin>digital XLR cable for
connection to the Fostex(new in july 97). Also, includes analog XLR>RCA
cables, both left and right in and out for connection to a consumer
stereo. I am willing to split this package up, let me know if you are
interested
in the package or in individual components.
From: randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU
Subject: dat carrying case
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:17:53 -0700 (PDT)
someone asked about cordura/soft carrying cases for dat equipment.
compUSA has a case intended for zip drives at $25 less $25 rebate
after jumping through the rebate hoops
one large pocket (about 8 x 12 x 2 inches), two smaller pockets
free seems like the right price for "trying it out"...
-rand0m
From: andyhof <andyhof@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Sennheiser Zeppelins
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:48:36 -0400
I would like to correct myself.
>andyhof previously said:
>2. They have 2 suspension bands for each mic clip...not one.
Actually.....the Sennheiser has two elastic bands attatched
to each SIDE of each mic clip. This equals 4 bands on each
clip totalling 8 bands.... compared the Rycote's 4.
Regards,
andrew
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