DAT-Heads Digest #198
Contents:
Sonic Youth & Busta Rhymes (Robert Ian Hoffman)
who has POC-DA12P (Duc Tran)
ISO WSP 5/1/97 DSBD (temp)
Warning: the DAT store Sucks ("Robert Franklin Gaines, III")
[no subject] ("David D. Rogers")
Re: D8 needs help! Anyone? (Max)
Re: Postal problems? (Max)
Re: Mac J-Card Program (Max)
"Industry Standard" S/PDIF (Greg Hanssen)
re: SCMS editing & hardware ("Jules Marshall")
Charlottesville offer closed (David Bechtold)
cdr software for win NT (LDatC) (DNohe)
Ekoostik Hookah 4/17/98 MI Theater ("Dave Rymanowicz")
Sony Service center Jargon ("John Q.")
jazz is dead? (John Hauer)
Re: D100 using lower voltage on Digital I/O ("Gary Davis")
Please help me ! "DAT to CDR" ("Àü½ÅÈ«")
Re: Take a chill pill? (andyhof)
Phillips CDR Trouble/anyone else (RBERG51)
From: Robert Ian Hoffman <rih5@columbia.edu>
Subject: Sonic Youth & Busta Rhymes
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:04:37 -0400 (EDT)
Oops, my big apologies to those that were planning on coming
Saturday....this concert is going to be held on Sunday. Also, Busta
Rhymes is headlining and S.Y. is opening. My guess is that it will start
sometime after noon, but before 3:00. It will be at Columbia University
in NYC, 116th and Broadway....and ITS FREE.
ODHC: So, will my M1 be able to power anyone after me in a Daisy Chain
with an Oade Bros. passive 7pin->coax cable?
From: Duc Tran <dtran@xsvr2.cup.hp.com>
Subject: who has POC-DA12P
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:14:24 -0700
I try to get this cable for digital copy
to/from my PCM-m1. I can't find any dealer
which has this cable.
Who has it, anyone in the net has this for sale?
Duc
From: temp <winniethepooh@ibm.net>
Subject: ISO WSP 5/1/97 DSBD
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 03:16:44 -0400
Howdy all,
I was recently on the Digital-Panic page, and saw that there is a
DSBD of this State Theatre show in Detriot. Please contact me if you
have a clone. The stars were perfectly aligned on this night. Thanks for
the space. Trades. Peace, Andrew
From: "Robert Franklin Gaines, III" <rfg4m@server2.mail.virginia.edu>
Subject: Warning: the DAT store Sucks
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:52:16 -0400 (EDT)
To All,
Let's begin by an apology for the length of this
post. To all those out there who may purchase Digital
Equipment in the near future or those who will relate to
this, i will give you the lowdown from the beginning. The
infamous DAT store is in my opinion totally bunk! It is
completely evident to me that they solely care about
meeting there sales quotas rather than any care/respect for
their customers. Recently, the store had the sales on
among other decks the SV-3800. So i e-mail the address
they have on the list of vendors. I e-mail Gary Davis. I
had called earlier in the day about getting a Sony R-500
for the sale price of $1,004. Well, someone told me that i
could have either deck for that price. So i e-mail Gary
and begin to set it up with credit card information and $
order info. He e-mails me back the following message:
"Brad sort-of said "today only" on that low price on the
R500. If you want to email me your credit card, exp date,
and billing address tonight, and send the money order ASAP,
I think we can handle it."
Well, okay then, so I agree to this and got the money
order, filled it out, and gave my credit card information
for the deal. Yeah, I was getting the deck that i wanted
and soon. I had also agreed to purchase another deck from
them within a few weeks after this sale. Then, Later the
same evening all hell broke loose and I recieve this
message:
"I really don't think this is going to work... it's the
Panasonics
they want to sell, there are only two Sony R500's in the
store!"
Why don't you buy the Panasonic first, and maybe there will
be a demo
sale on the Sonys in 2 weeks.
So they renig on their offer! I had already done the
necessary things for the sale and they say no go! This
sucks. What kind of business is this. One that make false
promises, obviously!! Second of all, i don't want a
freaking demo deck or "B" stock deck. So only to not feel
totally bitch slapped.. I told them i would take the
SV-3800 because i had already done all of the necessary
stuff and was eager to get another deck. Well, after
receiving the deck, I didn't open it because, i found that
a couple of places had the R-500 for $999. Therefore, i
called them and told them i was sending the deck back, to
which they preceded to tell me they didn't take decks back.
I said it was unopened and they were obligated to do so.
While on the phone i was spoken to by four different
people, each eventually handing my disgust to another
employee to try to wear me down or something. Finally,
someone gets on the phone and tells me i can have the R-500
for the same price. I think "what the fuck," they ARE
only interested in money and sales. By this time i was
fed-up with everything and merely told them that i wanted
my credit card reimbursed with the full amount of the deck!
I send the deck back with a letter stating my specific
intentions about having my credit card reimbursed and track
it to their store. It arrives Friday April 17th. I call
Friday, nothing. I also e-mail Gary Davis on Friday to try
to get his help. He preceded to tell me that he didn't
work for the DAT store. My question then is why is his
e-mail address on the Vendors list web site under the DAT
store and why has he been dealing with me as if you did
work there? I guess he just does all of there promo work
or something. Then I called Monday, nothing. Tuesday...
okay we
will take care of it...it is in the computer now, nothing.
Wednesday, I call and speak to someone who says, "I thought
we agreed to send you an R-500 at no extra charge" as if
they didn't read my letter at all. Also, since from what i
understand they now have or recently had the R-500 for
$999, i bet they would send me one for $1,004. I declined
in light of their rude and quite poor service that i have
encountered with them. Whether my credit card will be
credited soon is still in question, though once it is I
will be purchasing two decks: R-500 and Tascam DA-302 from
another source(s). I guess with a little more politeness
and courtesy, the DAT store wouldn't be thought of as a
bunch of assholes! This is a warning to everyone, that
there are certainly Vendors out there that will treat you
with total respect and act as a friend rather than a
"fucking prick."
I have purchased a lot of equipment over the past year and
have made great acquaintances through these transactions.
Marc Nutter at Sonic Sense is truly wonderful to deal with
as are the Oade Brothers. I have also had great success
with Terrapin tapes so far. Therefore, these are among the
places that i can personally recommend to all that may
purchase equipment soon. I apologize for the lenght of the
short story that i wrote, but i feel that it will save some
poor souls a lot of hassle in the future.
Bottom Line: The DAT store SUCKS!!!!!!!
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@lightlink.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:06:13 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Colin Liston <cliston@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
>Subject: KAO bought by TDK?
>Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:53:51 -0400 (EDT)
>
>I recently heard that TDK has bought up KAO. Is this true? Anyone know
>what the deal is?
>thanks
Kao is a _huge_ company (not that TDK isn't), and a full merger would
probably be on the front page of most Business sections, even in the
U.S.A. (See their corporate annual report from their homepage at
http://www.kao.co.jp; they're sort of like a cross between Proctor &
Gamble, BASF and 3M.) Their blank media division seems important to them
(though apparently not as important as soap), so spinning off their
magnetic media division wouldn't be done lightly.
That said, it's possible. Gordon Gullahorn posted that they're stopping
production of magnetic media in Massachusetts, but that's to expand
production of CD-Rs. (The article he read only mentioned floppies, he
said.) They've also got a joint CD-R venture with Ricoh in Spain. (So I
guess it's Kao that makes Ricoh CD-Rs, not the other way round. :) I
assume they would want to at least continue making floppies (and at least
in Japan, if no where else) to have a foothold in the important secorts of
the blank media business. And DAT/DDS tapes are also an important sector,
though they're also becomming less important. (I'd hate it if Kao stopped
making DAT tape; it's my favorite brand.)
So, where did you get your information? :)
Peace,
<> David
URL me at http://www.lightlink.com/drogers/
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From: Max <davros@cyclone.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Re: D8 needs help! Anyone?
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:14:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: baker106@juno.com
> Subject: D8 needs help! Anyone?
> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:32:34 -0400
>
> 14 months in and my D8 will need some service, unless one of you can
> somehow help. I put a tape in and recorded a blank space of one minute as
> always. Put the deck with tape inside (probably my first mistake) and
> headed to the club to tape. With minimal bouncing around I got to the
> club, set levels, plugged in mic, etc, in the bathroom. Everything seemed
> fine. About 20 minutes before the show, I decided to make sure that the
> mic was picking up, but noticed immediately that the unit seemed warm,
> like it had been running for awhile. Turned on the light, but after about
> 3 seconds, it shut off. Tried to release the tape, but it wouldn't come
> out. Back into the bathroom for more light. It seems the machine just
> kept recycling, like it couldn't determine whether or not there was a
> tape inside. Whatever function I press would activate for a couple of
> seconds and then the display would go blank. But it was doing the
> recycling thing whether or not I touched anything and must have been
> doing it for a little while to explain the warmness of the unit.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "recycling," but if you're talking
about the machine continuously power cycling (on-off-on-off, etc.)
with no way of stopping it short of pulling out the batteries, then I
used to have the same problem with my used D8. Somehow, the tape
would get jammed in the deck, so the D8 would try to power cycle to
hopefully unjam it. It would fail, so it would try to power cycle
again. This would go on forever. Since I didn't want to mess with
trying to open up the deck myself, I just took it to Sony. They
"fixed" it twice by manually taking out the tape and lubricating all
the parts. The third time they "fixed" it by replacing the whole
transport (this was all under warranty). Needless to say, like all
other Sony repairs, it didn't fix the problem, so I eventually
strong-armed them into replacing it with a new deck. Haven't had the
problem since then.
Max
--
There's a cold wind out tonight
The chill of distant eyes
An orbit survey finds...your mind
Geoff Tate, 1986
From: Max <davros@cyclone.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Re: Postal problems?
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:18:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Larry Slavens <rooster@netins.net>
> Subject: Postal problems?
> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:37:09 -0500 (CDT)
>
> Anyone else have problems with the post office in the past month or so? I
> traded analog for 15 years, over 2500 tapes worth, and can remember losing
> only three packages in that time. In mid-March, I had two packages
> disappear, and as I'm waiting on tapes from two other people, I'm
> concerned that they too are gone. To top it off, I also had a credit card
> payment disppear in the mail, so I got socked with a $25 late charge on a
> $26 bill!
It doesn't seem too far-fetched to assume that there may be one or
more unscrupulous postal workers at your particular post office that
may be stealing packages and bills (just in case you happened to pay
your credit card bill with cash). If this continues, you should talk
to your local postmaster and see if other people have been
complaining. Maybe they can launch an investigation.
Max
--
There's a cold wind out tonight
The chill of distant eyes
An orbit survey finds...your mind
Geoff Tate, 1986
From: Max <davros@cyclone.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mac J-Card Program
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:30:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Yalk <Yalk@aol.com>
> Subject: Mac J-Card Program
> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:35:16 EDT
>
> Here is a nice J-card and labeler shareware program I just found; uses plug-
> ins for efficiency and upgrade.
>
> http://www.aspenmall.com/software/lpp.html
Word of warning: the above is crippleware, not shareware. You can't
really try it before you buy it, because any printed label will have
"UNREGISTERED" written across it in huge letters. Kind of defeats the
point of evaluating how your labels will look.
Max
--
There's a cold wind out tonight
The chill of distant eyes
An orbit survey finds...your mind
Geoff Tate, 1986
From: Greg Hanssen <hanssen@netcom.com>
Subject: "Industry Standard" S/PDIF
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:07:20 -0700 (PDT)
As Klay pointed out, "Industry Standard" S/PDIF is about 1 volt,
not 5 volts like the D3/7/8 and not 3 volts like the D100/M1..
these are proprietary Sony (that's why it's on a funky 7pin connector
that nobody else uses).. the idea is you're supposed to buy a Sony
cable that converts 7pin to the "Industry Standard".
--
Greg Hanssen <greg@zefiro.com> www.zefiro.com (714)-551-5833
--== Zefiro Acoustics: Pro S/PDIF & AES/EBU digital I/O for the PC ==--
Check out the EV1 Electric Car at ev1-club.power.net or www.gmev.com
From: "Jules Marshall" <jules_marshall@hotmail.com>
Subject: re: SCMS editing & hardware
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:36:47 GMT
>These are illegal in the USA, if their primary purpose is to circumvent
SCMS.
>Don't know about the U.K. Maybe they are legal in Japan and you can
order
>one directly from a Japan-based company?
The are not illegal here in UK, however, DAT is not a big market so they
are not readily available, I looked for one to buy, and ended up making
one.
Jules M
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From: David Bechtold <dbech@group1.com>
Subject: Charlottesville offer closed
Reply-To: dbech@group1.com
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:19:52 -0600
If you haven't heard from me you didn't make the cut.
Please stay tuned for future offers.
Dave
From: DNohe <DNohe@aol.com>
Subject: cdr software for win NT (LDatC)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:19:02 EDT
I am having problems with a CDR Burning software for Windows NT called NERO.
the disk at once will leave a millisecond gap in between tracks - and the
latest patch that they sent us now drops the volume level momentarily at the
track breaks
Who out there is using windows NT to burn audio CDs??
What Software are you using??
Is Jeff A. Disk At Once compatible with NT??
has their been an update to Easy CD Creator to be compatible with NT??
Any help that you all have to offer is appreciated
Thank You
Dean
From: "Dave Rymanowicz" <weirfan@tc3net.com>
Subject: Ekoostik Hookah 4/17/98 MI Theater
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:31:37 -0400
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From: "John Q." <zephead1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Sony Service center Jargon
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:46:51 -0400
Help!!
I brought my deck (Sony 60ES) for service, and I received an invoice with
the following description of parts and service:
Table (s) Assy Reel
Table (t) Assy Reel
Repair Kit (57)
Constant - no mech motion
Sony mailed the deck to my home, and I can't get a live person on the phone
to explain this. Does anyone know what this means???
-John
From: jhauer@csus.com (John Hauer)
Subject: jazz is dead?
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:17:19 -0700
I've heard about "Jazz is Dead" on this list. They are playing in San
Francisco soon.
BUT.... they want $18 bucks for the show. Is this for real? In a town
where dead cover bands and tape parties (and jazz bands for that matter)
abound, how could they expect to get the bucks for just another cover sort
of thing?
Wondering...
I know some of you are into this band, so I ask you:
Are they really that good?
John
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Re: D100 using lower voltage on Digital I/O
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:20:23 +0000
SPDIF standard = 0.5V (according to Klay)
D8 - TTL level = 5V
D100/M1 - 2-3V?
So you see, the D100 can still directly drive an SP/DIF port (such as
the Tascam DA-20), but not the D8. It is really the D8 that's the
culprit in D100>D8 patching.
> <<but with all the reports to the contrary I don't see how you could call it
> an 'improvement.'>>
It's an improvement because the D100 runs off two batteries instead
of 4! This is an improvement in both size and weight.
Unfortuantely, this also reduces the continuous running time.
There are always tradeoffs in designing equipment, but if you
consider what the D100 and D8 do, for their size, weight, and
especially, power consumption, (and price), they truely are the most
efficient top-quality audio recording devices ever invented.
--Gary
From: "Àü½ÅÈ«" <juhnsh@yangjae.co.kr>
Subject: Please help me ! "DAT to CDR"
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:23:36 +0900
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Hi
I am a conductor of elementary school orchesta.
So I am not an expert about recording or audio.
But I'd like to make our own CD-Audio with CD-RW for my members.
I have only Sony TCD-D8 DAT and small stereo microphone.
What kind of other equipment do I need ?
Please let me know to make CD-Audio right way.
Do I have to prepare some computers ?
Computerless solution will be more helpful for me.
Sound quality is not matter at this moment.
Regards
Juhn
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From: andyhof <andyhof@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Take a chill pill?
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:53:42 -0400
in reference to:
Subject: Windscreens & Shockmounts/Take a chill pill
Yalk@aol.com stated:
>Being a Sennheiser dealer for over 25 years, I get to know
>them pretty well. Rycote did make their mounts many years
>ago. I resent the word "fabricating" and I did post an
>apology for my error, after I checked it out.
>Now, as to experiences, I have used Sennheiser and may other
>brands of gear in my over 35 years of audio experience.
>I have done sound on countless movies, television shows,
>10 years of touring concert sound,
>studio work encompassing hundreds of albums and cd's
>in worldwide release. I have played venues from small dinner >theaters in Nowhere USA to the Hollywood Bowl and all
>next week I am back in Hollywood for a
>show at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion. I count some of
>the best engineers and artists in the world among my
>clients and close and personal friends.
>I am in the fortunate position of not only *using* this
>stuff daily, but I also get to sell it. I offer my
>experience hoping to pass on some useful information,
>as opposed to bozos in cubicles looking at catalogs.
>So I was wrong. What have you done?
Yalk, listen to yourself.
First of all, you did apologize after checking it out.
Admirable...no doubt. But you should have checked it
out before telling me that Senneheiser does not make
their own shockmount/zeppelin/suspension systems.
Also, you did not apologize to me, rather Jean-Luc.
You privately e-mailed me (apology) but quoted
Jean-Luc's response in your letter.
I think you have gotten his reply mixed=in with mine.
Jean Luc was explaining the pictures in the catalogues-
not I. I don't work in a cubicle. In fact, I don't even
have an office. Maybe that fact qualifies me as a bozo!
Honestly, I was simply offering my experiences with both
Rycote and Sennheiser products...passing on some
(hopefully) useful info. You quickly reamed me,
without taking the time to check the facts.
It was without substantiation.
I am truly impressed with the amount of experience
you have, and all of the work you have done.
But I am equally amazed by the way in which you
have conducted yourself in reply.
I have done a great deal during my lifetime as an
audio engineer/cameraman for film and television,
but... this is not the forum. Just don't try and
make me look like the bad guy when all I did was
give some 'honest to goodness' information in the first
place!
Regards,
andrew
From: RBERG51 <RBERG51@aol.com>
Subject: Phillips CDR Trouble/anyone else
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:48:56 EDT
I've been having a tough time with my new Phillips unit. It seems that
sometimes the CONSUMER cdrs will just stop halfway through and say DISC FULL.
Have anyone else had this problem? I called Phillips and they said just
return the deck and they'll replace it within 6 weeks cause they're not worth
fixing because of the parts and labor. That should tell you something.
Neil
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