DAT-Heads Digest #702
Contents:
Tascam DA-20 for sale (Cedargreen@aol.com)
ISO: Adam Neely (George Carson)
digiphish question (ndc) (brian and peyton)
Re: Tascam and boots for sale ("Larry Millett")
Fostex D5 vs Tascam DA20mkII (Michael Walter Connors)
80 min. CDRs (NDC) (American-Digital)
Re: SB Live vs. Turtle Beach Fiji ("David D. Rogers")
Re: Protocall when trading CDR's? ("David D. Rogers")
Re: Linux Driver for ZA-2 (Paul Lucente)
Re: caseliner (Bob Willmot)
re:preamps (dorene null)
WARNING!!! (loutattoo@mindspring.com)
FS: Sony D100 wired remote control (Schoeps44@aol.com)
FS: Sony RKDA10 digital coax->7pin cable (Schoeps44@aol.com)
Re: WARNING!!! (Seth Breidbart)
ZA2 and Linux (Yangkun Zhang)
ISO a taper friend named Beth (Richard Levy)
From: Cedargreen@aol.com
Subject: Tascam DA-20 for sale
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:50:15 EST
I have a Tascam DA-20 pro DAT deck for sale. Great condition.
Low hours of use(somewhere between 50 and 75 hours). SCMS free.Digital coax
inputs and outputs (great for burnin CD-Rs). Never had a problem.Selling so
that I can upgrade to a Tascam DA-302.
$550+shipping. I'll even throw in a couple of shows to get you started. Buyer
must pre-pay. Prefer money order or cashiers check or Western Union but will
accept a personal check if need be(personal checks must clear before shipping
it out)
Serious inquiries only please. Lets not waist each others time.
Thanks, Jen
Cedargreen@aol.com
From: George Carson <rudy@email.unc.edu>
Subject: ISO: Adam Neely
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:51:08 -0500 (EST)
Does anyone have any info on where Adam Neely is? I think his email is:
carini@mindspring.com Sorry for the bandwidth. -George Carson
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"Is somethin' wrong?" she said. Of course there is. "You're still
alive?" she said. Oh, but do I deserve to be? Is that the question? And
if so, if so, who answers, who answers? I'm, whoa, I'm still alive.
-E. Vedder
From: brian and peyton <am31819@conrad.appstate.edu>
Subject: digiphish question (ndc)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:54:18 -0500 (EST)
hey all,
pardon the lack of relative material, but i've been offline for awhile due
to a move. i'm trying to subscribe my new email acount to the digiphish
digest. i heard there was some talk of rob clay quitting, and was unsure
of the status of the list now. can anyone lend a hand?
thanks,
-brian
From: "Larry Millett" <lmillett@anet-stl.com>
Subject: Re: Tascam and boots for sale
Reply-To: "Larry Millett" <lmillett@acm.org>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:22:34 -0600
Terrapin Tapes (www.ttapes.com) sells the DA-20MkII *new* for $685.
Rick Romback wrote:
>From: "Rick Rombak" <rick@knight-barry.com>
>Subject: Tascam and boots for sale
>Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:07:19 -0600
>Who would like to buy my Tascam? I have a list of the tapes i can fax if
>you would like. Compared to other prices i've seen out there this is a
>steal! A DA 30 MK2 in mint condition with under 100 hrs and high quality
>boots to boot! All SBD either from reel or cassette master>pcm>dat or
>digital SBD's. All for 1000.00 firm! Must Sell! rick@knight-barry.com
From: Michael Walter Connors <mwconnor@indiana.edu>
Subject: Fostex D5 vs Tascam DA20mkII
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:30:07 -0500 (EST)
Which deck is considered to be better. I plan on getting a home deck now,
and a D8 before a summer tour. I believe that both decks will have no
problem with the D8. Any info would be appreciated.
mike connors
mwconnor@indiana.edu
From: American-Digital <dan@am-dig.com>
Subject: 80 min. CDRs (NDC)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 02:40:28 -0400
Sorry about the lack of DAT content.
We just received a small shipment of 80 minute
CDRs. These are unbranded and have a shiny
silver top with a silver/blue record surface. They
come in a jewel case and are available for as low
as $2.79.
You can look at a scan of this item at:
http://www.am-dig.com/cdr80.html
Thanks-
Dan & Larry
mail@am-dig.com
888-USA-DATS
http://www.am-dig.com
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: SB Live vs. Turtle Beach Fiji
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:11:30 -0800
>From: Dave Lowenstein <lowie@home.com>
>Subject: SB Live vs. Turtle Beach Fiji
>Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:00:31 -0800
>
>Which would you buy and why? I'm looking to hook my r300 up via coax
>cable to one of these two soundcards to make some kickass cd-r's but the
>turtle beach is about 100 bucks more. Any suggestions on which I should
>pick?
Anything is better than the SB Live. The card resamples everything to 48
kHz, even 48 kHz sources, thus adding some digital noise and distortion.
<> David
<> David
http://www.lightlink.com/drogers/
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"People, who eat people, are the loneliest people in the world!"
–Barbara Streisand, slightly skewed
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: Protocall when trading CDR's?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:19:21 -0800
>From: JWNorris <JWNorris@apc.net>
>Subject: Protocall when trading CDR's?
>Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:23:48 -0800
>
>I have just set up my new computer with a Plextor CDR. But I have a
>question or 2 involving the trading of CDR's.
>
>1. When converting a DAT to CDR, is done just as a D>D transfer, that is
>keeping the crows noise and tuning between songs? Or is it preferable to
>spend the time and edit out all of that extraneous material?
It depends on what you want to do. If you can fit an entire show on once CD
and edit out stuff between songs, it might be worth it, especially if the
total time would otherwise be only a little over 74 minutes. You should
tell others that the CD was edited, though. (This is one of the reasons why
I've come to prefer DAT trading over CD-R trading, though. At first I
thought trading CDs would be easier, but I've recieved more bad CD trades
than DAT trades-- not only is show continuity usually disturbed, but many
people don't know how to copy CDs correctly.)
>2. What software is everyone using to copy CD>CD. I have CDArchitect and
>SoundForgeXP, but do not find anything in the manuals.
CDRWin, Easy CD... just about any program that will copy the contents of a
CD and record it DAO (disk at once). Make sure that you do DAE (digital
audio extraction) so that you don't hear pops and clicks that weren't on
the original disc (you may need to lower the speed of the CD reader).
Recording DAO is one of the few hard and fast rules of CD trading--if you
don't do that, you'll create gaps between tracks.
<> David
<> David
http://www.lightlink.com/drogers/
=============
"People, who eat people, are the loneliest people in the world!"
–Barbara Streisand, slightly skewed
From: Paul Lucente <plucente@blast.net>
Subject: Re: Linux Driver for ZA-2
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:36:09 -0500
On dat-heads, David wrote:
>If only there were a Linux driver.
Later on, Mike wrote:
>Hey Greg, You out there?
>I echo my support for the idea of a linux driver for the ZA-2.
Don't know if you tried it or not, but there's been a Linux driver available
for a long time, linked from Zefiro's web page at:
http://www.zefiro.com/
Click the NEW link, its at the bottom of the page. The FTP site its on is:
ftp://ftp.cam.org/users/sdragon
Its listed as an Alpha, and I've never tried it, nor do I have any idea what
features it supports, unfortunately.
Paul
From: Bob Willmot <bwillmot@cnct.com>
Subject: Re: caseliner
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:49:04 -0500 (EST)
Scott McPherrin <hippies@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> could some kind soul please shoot me the URL for Ed Adasiewcz's
> site to download the latest version of "caseliner"...lost it in my
> system upgrade...
You may be familiar with the acronym
RTFM (read the f___ing manual)
Here's a new one:
STFW (search the f___ing web)
Bob
From: dorene null <ddnull@ocsonline.com>
Subject: re:preamps
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:58:25 -0500
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> From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
> Subject: Re:preamps
> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:58:02 -0800
>
> As far as upgrading gear, the best thing is to trade for
> a bunch of tapes from a bunch of shows that you were at with people who
> were running gear that you are interested in. After obtaining a bunch of
> tapes recorded in a bunch of difn't environments (that you were at, heard
> the sound there, and saw how the equipment was set up) then you may start
> to get a feel for how that gear sounds(on your particular playback system).
> Drawing conclusions from a single data point is exactly that--a single data
> point. You talk about two modes of thought on equipment A. Staying
> neutral and B. Putting together a synergistic rig that either sums up to
> sound neutral (or just sums up to sound "good" on your playback system).
> How can one do either of these if one wasn't even at the show and therefore
> doesn't even know what "neutral" is? Rig A may sound better than rig B
> under those conditions but that's it. I bet there are other environments
> where you would like Rig B better. Since you weren't there to hear the
> sound at that show, you have no point of reference. All you can conclude
> is setup A sounds better than setup B under those conditions. "Those
> conditions" are a big unknown variable and its bad to draw conclusions when
> there is a big unknown variable. That's just one unknown variable. Pete
> (ps=golden road=====>F======>O======>B====>)
>
>
hi pete,
what if the same rig was used for every set of mics? set up at the same
show, same location, and just switched out mics. it seems that the
variables would be limited to the positioning of the mics. i would think
that the constants ( preamp, cables, adc, mic stand, shock mounts, stand
height, mix, hall acoustics, etc ) would be exact enough to get a good
read on the sound of those mics. this system in the hands of a competent
taper should produce a fair and honest representation of those mics on
that rig. granted, if you weren't there & paying attention to the sound,
with the ability to remember what it sounded like , you can't know what
it is supposed to sound like. but, there are far fewer variables than
trusting so many other tapers to all " get it right ". you have made
some great points & i guess the conclusion i am coming to is that both
methods would be helpful to truly evaluate mics. keep in mind that this
thread heated up when kurt posted that his cheap cable could " go up
against any cable out there " assuming that he meant that it would sound
as good, someone needed to enlighten him as to the fact that cables do
sound different. for that, the comparison tapes would have worked fine.
making great tapes consistently require more than just luck and a good
seat. i've got a tape recorded from the 10th row on a fairly popular
entry level mic. i didn't record it, someone sent it to me. it sounds
like shit.so while f.o.b. isn't the be all end all, it is a good place
to start because behind the board rarely sounds great. it's been great
seeing folks discussing gear on here. i was starting to wonder if this
was the phish grovel & cdr list :-)
as my bitching tax, i'd like to offer up the gregg allman & friends
12-26-98 atlanta @ the roxy. we taped it and it sounds great
( at least to us ) we have the 12-27-98 as well but we feel that the
12-26 has a shade better sound quality. it was taped on
neumann km184's>da-p1. there were only 3 other mic stands there.
preference will go to trades, but we will do a few b & p's for someone
who will spread the show on analog or cdr. if you are interested, get in
touch.
dale shepherd
n.p.-gov't mule 12-31-98 atlanta
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Subject: Re:preamps
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:58:02 -0800</PRE>
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<PRE>As far as upgrading gear, the best thing is to trade for
a bunch of tapes from a bunch of shows that you were at with people who
were running gear that you are interested in. After obtaining a bunch of
tapes recorded in a bunch of difn't environments (that you were at, heard
the sound there, and saw how the equipment was set up) then you may start
to get a feel for how that gear sounds(on your particular playback system).
Drawing conclusions from a single data point is exactly that--a single data
point. You talk about two modes of thought on equipment A. Staying
neutral and B. Putting together a synergistic rig that either sums up to
sound neutral (or just sums up to sound "good" on your playback system).
How can one do either of these if one wasn't even at the show and therefore
doesn't even know what "neutral" is? Rig A may sound better than rig B
under those conditions but that's it. I bet there are other environments
where you would like Rig B better. Since you weren't there to hear the
sound at that show, you have no point of reference. All you can conclude
is setup A sounds better than setup B under those conditions. "Those
conditions" are a big unknown variable and its bad to draw conclusions when
there is a big unknown variable. That's just one unknown variable. Pete
(ps=golden road=====>F======>O======>B====>)
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hi pete,
<BR>what if the same rig was used for every set of mics? set up at the
same show, same location, and just switched out mics. it seems that the
variables would be limited to the positioning of the mics. i would think
that the constants ( preamp, cables, adc, mic stand, shock mounts, stand
height, mix, hall acoustics, etc ) would be exact enough to get a good
read on the sound of those mics. this system in the hands of a competent
taper should produce a fair and honest representation of those mics on
that rig. granted, if you weren't there & paying attention to the sound,
with the ability to remember what it sounded like , you can't know what
it is supposed to sound like. but, there are far fewer variables than trusting
so many other tapers to all " get it right ". you have made some great
points & i guess the conclusion i am coming to is that both methods
would be helpful to truly evaluate mics. keep in mind that this thread
heated up when kurt posted that his cheap cable could " go up against any
cable out there " assuming that he meant that it would sound as good, someone
needed to enlighten him as to the fact that cables do sound different.
for that, the comparison tapes would have worked fine. making great tapes
consistently require more than just luck and a good seat. i've got a tape
recorded from the 10th row on a fairly popular entry level mic. i didn't
record it, someone sent it to me. it sounds like shit.so while f.o.b. isn't
the be all end all, it is a good place to start because behind the board
rarely sounds great. it's been great seeing folks discussing gear on here.
i was starting to wonder if this was the phish grovel & cdr list :-)
<P>as my bitching tax, i'd like to offer up the gregg allman & friends
12-26-98 atlanta @ the roxy. we taped it and it sounds great
<BR>( at least to us ) we have the 12-27-98 as well but we feel that the
12-26 has a shade better sound quality. it was taped on
<BR>neumann km184's>da-p1. there were only 3 other mic stands there. preference
will go to trades, but we will do a few b & p's for someone who will
spread the show on analog or cdr. if you are interested, get in touch.
<P>dale shepherd
<P>n.p.-gov't mule 12-31-98 atlanta</HTML>
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From: loutattoo@mindspring.com
Subject: WARNING!!!
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:11:56 -0500
Dont send email to dat-heads@fedney.near.net if it is supposed to be
personal at all because they can rearrange what you send and add their own
two cents in any message. Also loutattoo@mindspring.com is not selling
master cassettes (analog) of any live recordings. In closing, much better
dat info can be found elsewhere on the net with less internal polotics and
whining....this message probably wont be forewarded to the digest but at
least someone has to read it..
From: Schoeps44@aol.com
Subject: FS: Sony D100 wired remote control
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:02:54 EST
For Sale: Sony D100 wired remote control.
This is the wired remote control unit that comes with the Sony D100 portable
DAT. Purchased from Klay Anderson Audio for $120.00 after I had lost my
original remote. Guess what? Found my lost remote, and I certainly don't
need two. Excellent condition, asking $95.00 including c.o.d. shipping. Will
consider trade for new DAT tapes.
--Blair
From: Schoeps44@aol.com
Subject: FS: Sony RKDA10 digital coax->7pin cable
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:02:58 EST
For Sale: Sony RKDA10 digital coax->7pin cable
This is the Sony digital input cable intended for the D7/D8. Not suggested
for use with the D100/M1. This is an active input cable (with the
digital/analog switch) and can be modified to include output by certain
vendors (Oade's, Prodigital, etc.). Purchased from Klay Anderson Audio for
$85, will sell for $65 including c.o.d. shipping. Will consider trade for new
DAT tapes.
--Blair
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: WARNING!!!
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:16:05 -0500 (EST)
loutattoo@mindspring.com drivels:
> Dont send email to dat-heads@fedney.near.net if it is supposed to be
> personal at all because they can rearrange what you send and add their own
> two cents in any message.
In theory, right. In practise, Sean doesn't have the time to _read_
the mailinglist, much less fiddle with it in realtime.
Earlier, loutattoo@mindspring.com claimed:
} i guess i will have to sell 25 more master
} tapes from my collection today seeing as it ok by forum.
Now, he's saying:
> Also loutattoo@mindspring.com is not selling
> master cassettes (analog) of any live recordings.
Make up your mind. (I know, assumption of fact not in evidence.)
> In closing, much better dat info can be found elsewhere on the net
> with less internal polotics and whining.
I note he doesn't give a URL.
> this message probably wont be forewarded to the digest but at
> least someone has to read it.
Wrong again, not surprisingly.
Seth
From: Yangkun Zhang <zhany@ils.unc.edu>
Subject: ZA2 and Linux
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:18:33 -0500 (EST)
I think Greg is too busy playing with his EV1 to bother with Linux
drivers. :-)
Oooo. Yangkun Zhang
(UNC)
) / zhany@ils.unc.edu
(_/ http://ils.unc.edu/~zhany/
From: Richard Levy <liverich@sunlink.net>
Subject: ISO a taper friend named Beth
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:27:44 -0500
Looking for Beth Senturia, last seen at a Radiators show in Phila.
(TLA). Hooked me up with Florida Dead taper ticket once. Richard
(liverich@sunlink.net)
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