DAT-Heads Digest #703
Contents:
reply to "yet another" loutattoo ("'Bebop' Pete Heilig")
Re: BUDD: Protocall when trading CDR's? ("Brian Krahmer")
Soundforge Q's/Fuel 5-1-98 (PRNCPLS@aol.com)
Re: HELP -- airport not the problem... BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS! (Alexander W. Chin)
ZA2 / Linux (David Hollister)
Does Superchunk allow taping? (HolySpam@aol.com)
Elvis Costello Swedish Radio (=?iso-2022-jp?B?QXJheWEgLxskQj83QyshIUNOMGobKEo=?=)
Re: D8 to SB Live help needed ("David D. Rogers")
80 min cdr media (les gordon)
[no subject] (hambone@javanet.com)
yet another ("Williams, Michelle")
SELLING BOOTLEGS.... (LONG) ("Williams, Michelle")
ISO: fellow tapers @ Govt Mule 12-31 (Brian Kelley)
Re: OKM II-R microphones? (Len Moskowitz)
Re: D8 to SB Live help needed (Len Moskowitz)
Toaster tree URL? (Dan Clark)
Elvis anyone? (Colin Liston)
Computer To DDP Drives (Neil)
From: "'Bebop' Pete Heilig" <bebop@imagine.com>
Subject: reply to "yet another" loutattoo
Reply-To: <bebop@imagine.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:27:18 -0500
loutattoo@mindspring.com complained of double-standard:
> i dont mean to be nosey but another person is selling dats (dead and
> related) in version #698 of datheads digest....all the flack
> i took publicly
> over your forum is disgusting when you will actually allow
> someone to sell
> BOOTLEGS on the digest...the seller is
> kkoenig143@aol.com..... and no, i
> dont care how much he is selling the dats for....$1 or $100
> does it make a
> difference...double standard...i guess i will have to sell 25
> more master
> tapes from my collection today seeing as it ok by forum..thanks
i reference the original post which caused this complaint:
>transfered dats to cd-rs. selling 30 dats of various artists (dead,
furthur,
>hornsby, eagles, etc.) on various tapes (KAO, panasonic & maxell pro, 3m,
>maxell 90, etc.). sold together, no exceptions, $130.00
There is a difference, Lou.
By my calculation, "KKoenig" is looking to collect $4.33 per tape, hardly
enough to cover the cost of a blank tape. At such a low price, it hardly
even matters *what* is recorded on the tapes. The sound of the ocean is
worth $4.33 per tape (provided the tapes are one-pass KAO 60-meter :)
However, when someone tacks on a premium to the price of a blank tape
(perhaps in the name of recouping their equipment investment, or passing
along the cost of their show tickets) then this practice will bring upon
them the wrath of the trading community.
I don't specifically remember the details of Lou's offer (which brought him
so much flack) but so long as the price attached to the offer did not exceed
$5.00 per tape, then i take the position that the flames he received were
not warranted.
When the price per tape is at-or-below the fair market value of blank tapes,
then the offer shall fall under the category of a simple "B&P", and no foul
play shall be called.
-bebop
~~~~~~~~~~
Those of us who aren't artists must color things the way they really are or
people might think we're stupid.
-Jules Pfeiffer
From: "Brian Krahmer" <brian@krahmer.com>
Subject: Re: BUDD: Protocall when trading CDR's?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:24:43 -0700
> > 2. What software is everyone using to copy CD>CD. I have
> > CDArchitect and SoundForgeXP, but do not find anything in the
> > manuals.
> I personally use audiograbber to extract the music from the CD. This
> is the MOST critical step in the duplication process; most errors are
introduced
> during this process. You may need to try several programs and see which
one
> works best for you. Visit www.mp3.com for a variety of "rippers".
If you have decent software, ripping is automatic. Both CDRWin
(www.goldenhawk.com) and NT-I (www.ntius.com) that I use will either read
directly from CD-rom to CD-writer, or you can specify to use temp files.
brian
--
Brian Krahmer - brian@krahmer.com - http://www.krahmer.com
Expert 3.0 - Intelligent Network Security - http://www.L-3Security.com
From: PRNCPLS@aol.com
Subject: Soundforge Q's/Fuel 5-1-98
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:37:28 EST
I am thinking about doing some post production editing. I want something easy
to use and best for the money. Is soundforge the end all, be all ? any
feedback would be helpful. thanks for the b.w. I am looking for Fuel Dats? I
have one from this summer I mastered. trades anyone?
From: alex@gerulf.acsu.unsw.edu.au (Alexander W. Chin)
Subject: Re: HELP -- airport not the problem... BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS!
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:51:13 +1100
>From: Francisco Salgado <fsalgado@ctv.es>
>Subject: HELP -- airport not the problem... BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS!
>Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:17:03 +0100
>
>> From: "Edwin T. Pankau" <pankau@fas.harvard.edu>
>> Subject: HELP -- airport not the problem... BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS!
>> Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 15:35:43 -0500
>>
>> okay okay.... i just tried playing the tapes and listening to the static in
>> my sorrows... and it started sounding clearer and clearer and now it sounds
>> fine. WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?
>
>My gess is that it's related to temperature/humidity changes.
>If you read any tape instructions card you can read
>"Extreme changes intemperature and humidity should be avoided."
>
>and
>
>" If operation environment is different than the storage environment,
>condition the catridge prior to use by exposing it ti the operating
>environment for at least 24 hours"
>
>The static you mention are diginoise produced by errors due to change in
>environmental conditions.
>
>---francisco
<snip>
No, I don't think it had anything to do with that. It was a head clog.
Head clogs happen. Can be due to contaminated tapes (if you touch the tape
surface with your fingers) - happened when my kid brother with peanut
butter fingers did it.
Can happen with the tape gets stuck in the mechanism, as there is a lot of
grease in the mechanics. Normally the grease stays in the mechanics, and
does not get on the tape, but if there is tape slack due to a fault... it
can pick up grease.
It can just happen with cheap tapes which shed oxide. It can even happen
with cheap tapes where the adhesive between transparent leader and real
tape (TOP) sticks to the heads.
Or sometimes, it just happens.
What Edwin saw was a totally clogged head, which of course cannot read
anything. This would cause a complete blank tape syndrome. As he played the
tape, due to head/tape friction, whatever gunk on the heads gradually wore
off, and got re-deposited on the tape.
So, as the contamination gets less, you begin to get some signal, hence
from blank to diginoise. After long enough, most of the gunk is clear (to
the point you can read about 50-60% of the bits). At that point, the error
correction can correct fully and you have perfect sound.
You still wouldn't be able to record, as the gunk will prevent proper
laydown of new material, and your old material will punch through
sometimes, giving new music/old music fade ins and outs..
Every time I get a clog, which is often enough, I do a wet clean. I found
if you don't wet clean, the heads re-clog easier, whereas a fully clean one
seldom clogs.
There you have it.
Alex
By the way, an old head that is worn clogs a lot easier than a new one.
This is because of old heads exert less pressure on the tape surface after
being worn say 30 microns or so.
From: David Hollister <dhollist@iphase.com>
Subject: ZA2 / Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 04:16:08 +0000
> From: Paul Lucente <plucente@blast.net>
>
> Don't know if you tried it or not, but there's been a Linux driver available
> for a long time, linked from Zefiro's web page at:
...
Yes, my mistake. I never saw those links. There is apparently also a
commercial driver available from 4-Front technologies, but they don't
recommend using the ZA2 w/ that driver. Apparently it is too different
from the OSS design, but I'm probably going to try it anyway. If
anybody's interested in how it works, let me know and I'll keep you
posted. You can demo it in 7-day increments, or buy it for $20. If it
works, I'll pay the $20.
If anybody HAS tried it, I'd appreciate any feedback.
--
David Hollister Interphase Corporation dhollist@iphase.com
Software Engineer Dallas, TX
http://www.public.asu.edu/~dhollist
From: HolySpam@aol.com
Subject: Does Superchunk allow taping?
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:01:36 EST
I was wondering if the band Superchunk allows taping of their live shows. I
didn't see them on the list of bands that do (or don't), but i was hoping that
someone might know. Or if anyone knows how i can contact the band or thei
management, that would be great. Thanks for your help
~kev
From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?QXJheWEgLxskQj83QyshIUNOMGobKEo=?=
Subject: Elvis Costello Swedish Radio
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:42:24 +0900
Hello.
Does anybody tape Elvis Costello
January 14, from 12:00-14:15. Swedish Radio P2?
Please let me know.I would like to trade.
*************************************
Tomoiku Araya
arayatm@hae.jae.co.jp (office)
QZD16013@nifty.ne.jp (home)
*************************************
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: D8 to SB Live help needed
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:27:39 -0800
>From: "Craig Hoffman" <craigh@fa.disney.com>
>Subject: D8 to SB Live help needed
>Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:28:25 -0800
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I just joined the list. I tried to find info on what I need in the archives,
>and other Web sources but could find nothing that exactly answered my needs.
>
>Here is my situation:
>
> I recently purchased a PC and installed a SoundBlaster Live card in it and
> want to transfer digital audio from my Sony D8 DAT player/recorder to it.
> I thought this would be a simple thing, thinking both were the same sort of
> standard digital audio SPDIF, but I found out they both had different
> input/output types. Since both the D8 and SB Live are popular products,
> I figure someone has figured this out already.
>
>Question:
>
> What is the cheapest way to get digital sound from the D8 to the SB Live
> digital input? The DAT-Store sells some sort of black box that they say
> will solve this, but I am also open to buying another DAT player that is
> compatible with the SB Live input and just keeping it hooked up to the PC.
I thought that the SB Live card had a coax I/O for SPDIF. If this is the
case, then connecting the D8 to the SB Live would be a normal thing, if the
D8 were a normal DAT player. Getting a coax I/O for SPDIF on the D8 isn't
hard; Core Sound (http://www.core-sound.com) sells one cheaply. But the
voltage level for the D8 isn't normal, and it isn't powerful enough for
some devices (like my Philips DCC-900), and perhaps not enough for the SB
Live!, either. If that's the case, and the DAT Store is pushing the Sony
RMD3K I/O box, the DAT Store is wrong.
But you should get a different card anyway. The SB Live resamples all
inputs to 48 kHz, even 48 kHz sources, which adds extra digital noise and
distortion. It is an awful card for digital audio, and Creative has really
oversold it by saing it's "comparable" to a pro card. (By that extension,
my Radio Shack walkman-type radio is "comparable" to a McIntosh tuner! <g>)
Peace,
<> David
From: les gordon <lesg@microserve.net>
Subject: 80 min cdr media
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:23:45 -0500 (EST)
hello, i wanted to mention there are now 2 types of ritek 80 min cdr
media. they make a silver/blue disc. and no problems at all with those
discs. but they also make a silver/silver cd and those are junk. many
people are trying to sell those at a lower price, just advertising them as
80 min cdr media. just whenever you purchase a 80 min cd, make sure if its
a ritek, that its a silver/blue and not the other type because there's
nothing but problems with that media. thanks and keep on taping. les.
From: hambone@javanet.com
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:47:12 -0500
regarding the da20 and fostex d5?
both decks are made by the same manufacturer
just in different casings
if you compare the 2
you'll notice that both have
the same fronts and features
i "think" youd have good luck
with either
there is also another made by the same
manufacturer
but not knowing for sure whose name is on it
i hate to say for fear of constant
e mail ridicule
over&out
From: "Williams, Michelle" <williams@rti.org>
Subject: yet another
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:02:13 -0500
Yes, whether it is $1 or $100 does make a huge difference. It's the
difference between selling for cost and illegally selling to make a profit
and endanger everyone's 'right' to tape. But hey man, I guess it's all your
karma...
Michelle
From: loutattoo@mindspring.com
Subject: yet another
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:28:39 -0500
i dont mean to be nosey but another person is selling dats (dead and
related) in version #698 of datheads digest....all the flack i took publicly
over your forum is disgusting when you will actually allow someone to sell
BOOTLEGS on the digest...the seller is kkoenig143@aol.com..... and no, i
dont care how much he is selling the dats for....$1 or $100 does it make a
difference...double standard...i guess i will have to sell 25 more master
tapes from my collection today seeing as it ok by forum..thanks
From: "Williams, Michelle" <williams@rti.org>
Subject: SELLING BOOTLEGS.... (LONG)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:03:41 -0500
While I'm on the subject, here is another...(reprinted with permission from
Don)
=====Original Message=====
From: Cheekweezl@aol.com [mailto:Cheekweezl@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 11:50 AM
To: Leftover@lists.colorado.edu; hgmn@indigo.vantagep.com
Subject: SELLING BOOTLEGS.... (LONG)
Hey all,
Hope this finds all feeling healthy. Sorry if the subject is
misleading but
I am NOT selling bootlegs. But a man by the name of Vernon Edwards from
Montevallo, Al. is.
Somehow, I got signed up for this crooks mailing list. Have no clue
to how
but here's the deal. For the past few months, he's been sending me catalogs
of various "Live Recordings" he has for sale. I thought I'd let it pass but
after the 5th catalog, I decided to try and crack down on this. THIS IS
WRONG
AND HE SHOULD KNOW IT...
Lemme give you a lil bit of the intro to his catalog:
"...all are high-quality CDR's and include some realy hard to find
titles. I
cannot guarantee sound quality as audio quality can be very subjective.
Price
is TWENTY-FIVE DOLLARS PER DISC including postage. If i dont' hear from you
after 3 lists, I will asume that you are no longer interested in this type
merchandise and you name will be removed from the list."
Well, SIX catalogs later, he STILL hasn't stopped. Some of the
bands in his
catalog include Grateful Dead, Phish, Dave Matthews, Blind Mellon, The
Allman
Bros. Band, and many many more. See, it's idiots like this guy that RUIN it
for everyone who is doing this for fun and trying to spread good music to
others around. I just think it's wrong and something should be done about
it.
Is there legal action that can be taken on a person doing this? I mean, he
even ADVERTISES.
Ok, sorry to take up your time. But i just wanted to make this
known to all
my other family members. If you would like to contact Mr. Edwards and let
him
know that what he's doing is wrong here's all his information:
Vernon Edwards
103 Yellowhammer Circle
Montevallo, Al. 35115
205-663-5185
recsbymail@aol.com
Thanks for listening everyone. It's nice to have a family
to spill your
guts to. Let's keep lookin out for each other. Much love to you all...
Dixie beer and crawdads,
Don
Michelle
http://cyberrealm.net/‾guyute/tapelist.htm
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Gray skies are beauty, it ain't just the blue,
and the sun don't shine no sweeter than your milk white moon.
Soft on your senses caressing your soul,
you're smoothing out your edges in the moonlight's flow
-Refried Confusion http://www.refriedconfusion.com
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From: Brian Kelley <ibizabar@mindspring.com>
Subject: ISO: fellow tapers @ Govt Mule 12-31
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:28:08 -0500
I taped the Govt Mule/Derek Trucks 12-31 extravaganza at the Roxy and had
handed out a few biz cards to some fellow tapers. I was hoping that a few
of them would reply, because I am missing the first 10 minutes of the Derek
Trucks set.
I was trying to get one of my Oade cables to work patching out of the
taper's M-1 into MY M-1, but I kept getting a NO INPUT (d'ohhhh!!!). So
eventually (alas) I had to go analog the whole night. Still came out
great, but I missed the intro as well as Col. Bruce Hampton's guest
appearance during the 2nd song Temptation struggling to get a digi-patch
working.
So PLEEEAAAAAAASE!!!! Any other tapers that were at Govt Mule for New Years
Eve, drop me a line. I really need to get that Derek Trucks set complete
and will trade you anything off my list for it. Even blanks and postage
would be fine as well, whichever you prefer.
NOTE: Sorry, this isn't a B&P offer for anybody groveling for the shows. I
only need fellow tapers at the shows to reply.
Thanks for your time.
Peace and music,
Brian
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: OKM II-R microphones?
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:27:34 -0500 (EST)
udo@dinges.xs4all.nl (Udo van den Heuvel) wrote:
> Does anybody here have experience with the OKM II-R microphones
> (http://www.soundman.de)? Please let us know.
We have a set of the Soundman OKM-II-R mics that we bought for
evaluation. I'd be happy to answer questions about them.
Len Moskowitz Stealth Microphones (tm), Cables, Interfaces
Core Sound http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@panix.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: D8 to SB Live help needed
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:36:29 -0500 (EST)
"Craig Hoffman" <craigh@fa.disney.com> wrote:
> What is the cheapest way to get digital sound from the D8 to the SB Live
> digital input? ...
Our 7-Pin-to-Coax cable is the least expensive way we know of. For
details please see our Web page or send email.
Len Moskowitz Stealth Microphones (tm), Cables, Interfaces
Core Sound http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@panix.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: Dan Clark <clarkda@NKU.EDU>
Subject: Toaster tree URL?
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:36:51 -0500
Can someone point me to the Toater Tree (Kimock/Zero projects) structure?
I seem to have deleted it from my inbox. Also, I'll post my biannual
request for the JGB 10-31-92 SBD that I know circulates.
--Dan
From: Colin Liston <cliston@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
Subject: Elvis anyone?
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:43:56 -0500 (EST)
Does anyone have any live Elvis or know if any live Elvis cirrculates?
Not looking for legit live releases, but looking for live unreleased
stuff.
thanks
colin
From: Neil <neilc@stratos.net>
Subject: Computer To DDP Drives
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:44:14 -0500
Hi
Over the last year that I've subscribed to this list there has been a few
requests on how to transfer audio to a computer's DDP drive. The biggest
problem was over the lack of suitable drivers.
I've just read the "read me" file with Digidesign's Masterlist 2.01 CDR
burning software. Here is a cut and paste from that file:
DDP tape writing requires Mezzo Master Software
from Grey Matter Response and a compatible Exabyte
tape drive.
Known Problems
Writing DDP Tapes with Mezzo Master 1.1 - At
this time, SCMS is not supported in the DDP
format. Be sure to turn off SCMS settings in the
PQ window before writing the DDP tape.
After selecting "Export As 8mm DDP..." from the
File menu, the Mezzo Master welcome screen may
appear or the alert "MasterList CD could not
complete DDP tape write!" may appear. If the alert
appears, reselect "Export As 8mm DDP..." from the
File menu and the Mezzo Master screen should
appear.
So, using Masterlist, Mezzo Master and a "compatible Exabyte
tape drive", it looks like you can go from a computer to DDP.
By the way, I don't know if Masterlist is available for the PC. I use
a Mac.
Thanks
Neil
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