DAT-Heads Digest #704
Contents:
larry kuvet (david pinsky)
cd-r question ("Haughton, Tom")
ZA2 and Win98 ("Zawodny, Art")
Great live FM shows ("Anders Johansson")
DA-20mk II question ("Karl Spackler")
Inline Bass roll off Suggestions? ("Jack M. Dempsey")
Sony DTC-790 DAT Deck info (dlmo@cbmaila.cb.lucent.com)
HHB CDR 800 Question (NDC) ("Michael A. Kelly")
*OLD* Philips 880's, Anyone??? (Toby Gaine)
FS AAKG 391 with active cables (Gary Fox)
looking for special hardware (Gianni Pavan)
Re: 80 min cdr media ("David D. Rogers")
moe. 12-30-98 (Ramy Radmanesh)
MMW 11.14.98 ("Eric T. Nelson")
Toaster tree URL? (TMSDAT@aol.com)
ISO: Blues Traveler 10-27-97 ("Dan")
selling tapes. (Jacob Meyer Lemberg)
Plextor Manager Software (Cdcreator@aol.com)
Watch your credit card statement (yes, DAT content) (Larry Slavens)
mime in IE / sony DTC790 ("stories")
Re: Linux Driver for ZA-2 ("Hans-Joachim Zierke")
Re:preamps (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
From: david pinsky <dlp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: larry kuvet
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:47:03 -0800
Hi all,
I apologise in advance, I'm looking for someone who was on this list as of
5 or so years ago. Larry Kuvet, are you out there? This is Dave whom you
met at a Rads show in Vegas a few years ago. email me.
From: "Haughton, Tom" <th18841@glaxowellcome.com>
Subject: cd-r question
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:58:10 -0500
Hey, Now:
I'm considering buying a sb live soundcard and cd burner for my
computer. I've noticed that at least some cd recorders in computers make a
blank space of varying duration between tracks, noticeable when copying live
recordings. Is this a problem that occurs on all computer-based cd
recorders, or just some makes/models...does anyone know of a computer cd
burner that does not insert this blank space? I ask because I've made a few
cd's on an hhb pdr-800, and this blank spot did not occur...
Any help greatly appreciated.
Peace,
Tom
Tom Haughton
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From: "Zawodny, Art" <ZawodAr@BAM.com>
Subject: ZA2 and Win98
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:59:26 -0500
A comment was made last issue about win98 and the ZA2. I have had no
differences in performance with the ZA2 when moving from win95 to win98. I
use a home made P150 with 32mb of RAM and IDE discs and CD/CDRs
I still owe some folks Metallica DATs, they will be coming soon. I apologize
for the delay, I got a ton of offers for these and its taking me a little
while to get through them all..
Art Zawodny
From: "Anders Johansson" <ajo@algonet.se>
Subject: Great live FM shows
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:47:08 +0100
Please note that we have a really great source of live music on FM here in
Sweden - P3-live (program 3 - live). You will find the shows on this site:
http://www.sr.se/p3/program/live/konsert/index.htm. Many of the bands that
are mentioned here on this list are performing here. There are normally four
shows sent every week. The sound of the shows are of excellent quality.
Anders
- "When I was at high school, I was planning to be a doctor. Then I heard
the music of John Coltrane - which changed everything......" M.B. at
Fasching 10/28/98
From: "Karl Spackler" <augustwest@mailcity.com>
Subject: DA-20mk II question
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:51:04 -0000
Hi all, I'd like to try to clean my heads manually and couldn't find a few things in the FAQ.
1) what kind of solution should i use and where can i get it?
2) what do the heads look like/ is there an online picture of the innards on the net?
3) should i be attempting this, is it real easy to do damage?
thanks for any help. -todd
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From: "Jack M. Dempsey" <jdempsey@ncinter.net>
Subject: Inline Bass roll off Suggestions?
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:03:48 -0500
Hello all! I'm in need of a bass roll off for Phantom Powered Condensers.
I'd like an inline that will allow the mics to stay powered without added
phantom powering. I don't want to be dragging extra boxes around for
rolloff, phantom etc.. while my preamp already provides phantom power.
Does anyone make such a beast?
From: dlmo@cbmaila.cb.lucent.com
Subject: Sony DTC-790 DAT Deck info
Date: 13 Jan 99 16:08:00 -0500
Hi Folks,
Thanks for all of the great information everyone has provided in the
past. I have a question concerning the Sony DTC-790. I have already
read the information in the market posting.
When was the machine introduced? When was it discontinued?
Does it in fact use a different transport than the ones Sony had problems
with? (model DATM102)
What is a used one worth? I noticed that they listed for $800 and were
selling for $500 at one point.
Does it have SCMS?
Any reliability data sources for this deck? Known problems?
A local store is going out of business and has one of these units on the
shelf. I think it has been there a while, perhaps 2 or 3 years. The
unit probably has been powered one for a huge number of hours, but
probably has less than 10 hours on the heads. There is not a DAT tape in
the store.
I have a Sony 59ES and a Tascam DA-P1. My guess is the DTC-790 has SCMS
and would not clone to my 59ES. The DA-P1 to the 59ES works every time.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Doug Moran
dlmoran@lucent.com
From: "Michael A. Kelly" <mike_kelly@rocketmail.com>
Subject: HHB CDR 800 Question (NDC)
Reply-To: mike@mikekelly.net
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:11:30 -0800 (PST)
Hi everyone,
I bought an HHB CDR 800 a couple of months ago. I have
transferred a lot of my DATs to CD, writing manual tracks in
the process. This is nice in that there is no break in sound
from one track to another, however, when I copy these disks
using the disk syncro function, none of the tracks are copied.
I thought the reason the CDs I made weren't transferring
correctly because my play deck is an old CD player I had with
NO digital outs. However, this doesn't explain why store
bought CD tracks transfer w/out error. Does there need to be a
break in the sound or do I need a CD player with Dig outs?
Any help is appreciated.
Mike
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From: Toby Gaine <tobes@pacwest.net>
Subject: *OLD* Philips 880's, Anyone???
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:12:30 -0800
I am looking for one that obviously allows the swap trick.
Bought a newer one yesterday just to be sure, and sure enough they have
modified them to not accept the cheaper discs.
Anyone have a new or used older version for sale?
thanks,
t.g.
From: Gary Fox <Foxy@peekskillinn.com>
Subject: FS AAKG 391 with active cables
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:58:37 -0500
Iv`e got a pair of akg 391`s for sale with the active cables and b 18
power supply`s if interested please contact me at nuggobblin@hotmail.com
I am only askin 2000$ for the pair and are 2700$ brand new and kept in
perfect shape...scrathless! mint!!work great in stealth opperations and
have interchangeable caps ie the 393`s!! taped bridge school ben. with
and sounds great neil young , phish and rem!! contact if necessary
peace da gobblin!!!!
From: Gianni Pavan <gpavan@telnetwork.it>
Subject: looking for special hardware
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:29:50 +0100
Dear friends,
I'm again looking around for special hardware and maybe someone of you
may help me!
I wonder about:
1) a wireless spdif connection (radio, not IR)
2) a wireless USB connection or hub (radio, not IR)
3) a fast - and cheap - wireless modem to transmit data at 6Mbit/sec among
two PCs
4) a stand-alone, portable, battery-powered, 96kHz AD converter (something
like the Zefiro InBox)
5) a very good digital microphone with spdif output
Any idea ?
Gianni
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From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: 80 min cdr media
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:34:34 -0800
>From: les gordon <lesg@microserve.net>
>Subject: 80 min cdr media
>Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:23:45 -0500 (EST)
>
>hello, i wanted to mention there are now 2 types of ritek 80 min cdr
>media. they make a silver/blue disc. and no problems at all with those
>discs. but they also make a silver/silver cd and those are junk. many
>people are trying to sell those at a lower price, just advertising them as
>80 min cdr media. just whenever you purchase a 80 min cd, make sure if its
>a ritek, that its a silver/blue and not the other type because there's
>nothing but problems with that media. thanks and keep on taping. les.
Silver/silver? Sounds like it's phthalocyanine dye (the same dye used in
gold/gold CDs). Silver/silver also describes Ricoh Platinums and Mitsui
silvers, which use phthalocyanine dye.
Ritek isn't exactly known as a grade-A CD-R manufacturer. (They make or
made the infamous Memorex/Dyson green/gold CD-Rs that weren't very stable.)
Phthalocyanine dye doesn't burn as well as cyanine dye (the kind used for
green/gold and silver/blue discs), and it isn't nearly as reflective. If
there's no compensation made so the dye burns better and the disc is more
reflective, you're going to have a disc that won't play well. They
apparently took care of the reflectivity by making it silver, but I'd
venture that these Ritek silver/silvers don't burn well. The fact that
they're for 80 minute recording can't help either. Cyanine-dye discs seem
to be easier to make. The first Mitsui discs had a reputation for having
poor reflectivity and not burning well on many CD writers. But Mitsui took
care of that in time, and now they have an excellent reputation! (The
makers of cyanine-based discs also took pains to have their dye more
stable, so the differences between well-made cyanine and
phthalocyanine-based discs aren't nearly as great as they once were.)
But I personally wouldn't want to use the 80-minute Riteks (or any Ritek
disc) for long-term storage. Better to edit out parts you don't need, put
it on multiple discs, or (God forbid :) save it on an archival DAT tape if
long-term storage of a continuous performance is necessary.
Peace,
<> David
From: Ramy Radmanesh <ramy@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: moe. 12-30-98
Reply-To: ramy@nycap.rr.com
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:59:26 -0500
Hello moe tapers,
Did anyone out there happen to get a soundboard of the moe. Bohager's
show in Baltimore? Please contact me if so, I'd love to get a copy.
Thanks.
Ramy
From: "Eric T. Nelson" <tourcrew@javanet.com>
Subject: MMW 11.14.98
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:06:42 -0600
Sorry to make you all listen to this, but...
I am searching for the taper from Long Island who took my blank,
envelope and postage at this show. You were running AKGc1000's>DAP1 and
seemed very adamant that it would only take you a week or so to get the
clone out to me, and it has now been two months time.
I'm not trying to point the finger or issue a "bad trader" notice here,
but I would at least like the blank back at this point. I feel pretty
disrespected that someone else in the taping community would take
advantage of a home-decker just trying to get a fresh clone of a show
they attended...
Anyway, thanks for the bandwidth...
Eric
From: TMSDAT@aol.com
Subject: Toaster tree URL?
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:25:16 EST
<< Can someone point me to the Toater Tree (Kimock/Zero projects) structure?
>>
that would be: http://home.earthlink.net/%7Esage2132/toaster_main.html
From: "Dan" <dansegal@pcnet.com>
Subject: ISO: Blues Traveler 10-27-97
Reply-To: "Dan" <dansegal@pcnet.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:41:43 -0500
ISO: Blues Traveler 10-27-97 and 4-5-94
Dan
From: Jacob Meyer Lemberg <acoolguy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Subject: selling tapes.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:43:23 -0800 (PST)
Yes, whether it is $1 or $100 does make a huge difference. It's the
difference between selling for cost and illegally selling to make a profit
and endanger everyone's 'right' to tape. But hey man, I guess it's all
your
karma...
If one is selling tapes for less than the price of a blank that person is
not making a profit, and therefore is living their life legally right?
I would have to say that agencies like the RIAA and the FCC along with
record themselves straight down to band itself(in 99% of the cases) would
all disagree with this. Selling tapes for any price endangers the
'privilege' to tape.
From: Cdcreator@aol.com
Subject: Plextor Manager Software
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:07:56 EST
I currently own a Plextor 12/20 CD-ROM drive that I love, but I lost the
Plextor Manager software that came with it. Plextor only has the update
available on their web site, but I need the original software. I think that
any Win 95 version should work with my drive, so I would greatly appreciate
anyone either e-mailing me the setup file or letting me know how I can obtain
it. I e-mailed their tech suupport, but I haven't heard back and I am getting
desperate. I know that I don't need this software in order to get it to run
under Windows, but I would still like to have it around.
Thanks,
Dylan
From: Larry Slavens <rooster@netins.net>
Subject: Watch your credit card statement (yes, DAT content)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:34:36 -0600 (CST)
First off, let me stress that it could very well be a coincidence, and I
won't name any names. But. . .
The last two times I've ordered from one of the suppliers mentioned in the
market posting, within a few days I've had fraudulent charges on my credit
card. Never had this happen before in 20+ years of carrying credit cards,
nor did it happen the previous 6-10 times I've used this supplier.
So just a word to the wise: watch your statement (you should be doing that
anyway!) and report any suspicions to your card issuer's risk specialists.
Larry
rooster@netins.net
"I'm the luckiest man in the world, now that Lou Gehrig's dead."
--Homer Simpson, The Simpsons
From: "stories" <stories@shortsharpshock.demon.co.uk>
Subject: mime in IE / sony DTC790
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:04:36 +0000
>if someone would kindly point out how to turn off the MIME format in IE
>i would be greatful...looked but found nothing...
Mail ----> Options -----> Send ( Mail sending format should be
"plain text")
>I own a Sony DTC 790 home DAT deck. I love the machine, but have always
been
>puzzled by the "Cleaning" that will appear every ten hours or so in the
>matrix display area of the deck.
I've a sony DTCZE700, the "cleaning" message in the display comes up
after 10 hours of use
it's just a reminder to clean the head's (all though after reading some
post's about cleaning DAT's wearing out the head's
i'd guess it's a ploy by sony to wear out your deck so you have to
replace some or all of it! or am I just Paranoid?).
--
Matt
Matt@shortsharpshock.demon.co.uk
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From: "Hans-Joachim Zierke" <hajo@Zierke.com>
Subject: Re: Linux Driver for ZA-2
Reply-To: "Hans-Joachim Zierke" <hajo@Zierke.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 04:35:49 -0100
Paul Lucente <plucente@blast.net> writes
>Its listed as an Alpha, and I've never tried it, nor do I have any idea what
>features it supports, unfortunately.
Therefore it is best to forget it.
There is also an OSS driver for the ZA-2, but the authors do not recommend
it.
This kind of drivers would be acceptable for a 30$ card: Try it, and if it
doesn't work, give it to a neighbour kid for free.
But AFAIK, the ZA-2 isn't sold for 30$.
hajo
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Re:preamps
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:07:21 -0800
"what if the same rig was used for every set of mics? set up at the same
show, same location, and just switched out mics. it seems that the
variables would be limited to the positioning of the mics. i would think
that the constants ( preamp, cables, adc, mic stand, shock mounts, stand
height, mix, hall acoustics, etc ) would be exact enough to get a good
read on the sound of those mics. this system in the hands of a competent
taper should produce a fair and honest representation of those mics on
that rig."
Hi Dale,
In an ideal mic A/B, 2 pairs of mics would be taping the same thing in real
time and be located in the same position. Unfortunately this isn't
possible. So you attempt to simulate an A/B by bringing the stand down bw
songs, change mics and put the stand back up for the next song(better yet
climb up a ladder). While it is not ideal to be comparing difn't songs in
an A/B, one can listen, recognize this, and still come to
conclusions-especially if one is familiar with that band and how their
difn't songs sound. The question becomes (and assuming that the soundguy
hasn't tweeked the sound too much)would slight variations in positioning
(who knows +/- 2 degrees on the individual mics, +/- 2 degrees of "overall
rotation", or +/- 2" height)affect the end result in a way that it was more
a contributing factor to the end resultant sound than the mics themselves?
Maybe/maybe not-I don't know. It depends on the specific
case/setup/acoustics/etc, but I do think that sometimes sound can be weird
like that and that even slight positioning difnces could make a bigger
difnce than one may think. I've set up close at a nice sounding show, was
excited to get home and check out the tape only to find it sounded horrible
(perhaps a minute change in mic positioning would have made a big
improvement), and other times I've set up far away, wasn't very excited and
the tape amazed me(maybe the mic was just positioned perfectly). I think
the better preamp/A>D/cables you have that placement/positioning becomes
even more impt. What's impt is to recognize that it could and not jump to a
conclusion from a single equipment comparison tape. If the mics are fairly
similar sounding to begin with I feel these minute positioning differences
could easily be affecting the end sound more than the fact that they are 2
difn't mics. While it is always best to have been at the show, even if one
wasn't at the shows, but has a bunch of mic A/B's from difn't shows like
you speak of above and consistently prefers one mic over the other..then I
do think it is OK to draw conclusions even though you weren't there(if you
consistently like it better you consistently like it better, simple as
that, who cares if you weren't there). Clearly difn't mics sound difn't
and given enough data points one could begin to get a feel for the sound of
one mic vs another......even if one wasn't there.
"i guess the conclusion i am coming to is that both methods would be
helpful to truly evaluate mics."
Agreed. I see your point of view too and can appreciate the time and
effort that goes into doing A/B's at shows. I basically just wanted to
point out some of the uncertainties so that they should be taken for what
they are. They aren't a true A/B--that's impossible. Of course its always
best to have been at the show, heard the sound, and seen the actual setup.
To me that is one of the "essences/joys" of taping.
"keep in mind that this
thread heated up when kurt posted that his cheap cable could " go up
against any cable out there " assuming that he meant that it would sound
as good, someone needed to enlighten him as to the fact that cables do
sound different."
I think cables do sound subtly difn't. I think gold plated connectors are
impt too. That's more of a general belief rather than one based on blind
A/B tests and convincing "my ears". Once I attempted to A/B audioquest
ruby rca cables vs. sony rca cables(the ones that came with my CD8ES or
something like that CD player)on my stereo and thought I could hear difnces
but I also realized that since I knew which was which that that could have
easily affected my thinking(that $100 better be making my stereo sound
better!). The difnces were subtle at best (maybe my stereo wasn't up to par
to even hear the difnces, 1978 luxman amp>1978 bose 601 w velodyne sub)and
I got sick of the entire process. Knowing something beforehand can (and I
feel often will)change your thinking/decision making process, esp when you
get into the really high end and $$ stuff. So I make the statement that
"cables sound subtly difnt" bc they are a "multi-component materials
science composite" and I think that everything affects everything else.
Difn't materials/processing/constructions/treatments/quality control all
contribute to the difn't sound. I haven't heard that different sound, yet
I still feel that way. I think a lot of it is personal preference. What
you think sounds better (in a cable)someone else may thinks sounds worse.
However the effect of cables on sound is far less impt than being in the
sweet spot. As an occasional FOB taper, I know exactly where Kurt is
coming from. He emphasized good connections, and not being bulky. Those
are the most impt factors in a cable for FOB. The FOB taper is much more
concerned about his (or her)immediate surroundings than cables. That's bc
your immmediate surroundings and location are orders upon orders of
magnitude more impt to the end result than whether or not you were using
"insert name of favorite megabucks cable" cable.
"making great tapes consistently require more than just luck and a good
seat."
Once I posted what I felt was impt to making a great tape, I couldn't find
it in the archives but I started with 1. the band should be having a lot of
fun/smokin' performance.
peace, Pete
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