DAT-Heads Digest #707
Contents:
Re: selling tapes. ("David D. Rogers")
Hour-counter on Fostex D-5? (Stig Nielsen)
ISO: Hornsby at Yoshi's (10-28, 10-31, and 11-03-98) (jflannery@excite.com)
The CD Time Bomb (Daniel E Sisler)
ISO: Radiohead MASTERS (bjurusik)
ZA2 and Sony M1 ("Craig Helmreich")
Need Help In California ("Joshua Fox")
4mm (dat) and 8mm Blanks Avaialble (Yalk@aol.com)
DVD playback of CDRs ("Gary Davis")
Bait & Switch ("Gary Davis")
FS: Sony m1 (charlie warstler)
Re: preamps (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
RATDOG@ ELEC FACTORY ("Tom Hoffman")
ISO: Extra tix for RATM/BeastieBoys show in NJ ("Vikas Bhatia")
ISO: Extra tix for RATM/BeastieBoys show in NJ ("Vikas Bhatia")
ISO: Sony M1 or D8 (bjurusik)
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: selling tapes.
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:53:39 -0800
>From: Jacob Meyer Lemberg <acoolguy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
>Subject: selling tapes.
>Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:43:23 -0800 (PST)
[quoting someone else]
>Yes, whether it is $1 or $100 does make a huge difference. It's the
>difference between selling for cost and illegally selling to make a profit
>and endanger everyone's 'right' to tape. But hey man, I guess it's all
>your
>karma...
[then making his own comments]
>If one is selling tapes for less than the price of a blank that person is
>not making a profit, and therefore is living their life legally right?
>I would have to say that agencies like the RIAA and the FCC along with
>record themselves straight down to band itself(in 99% of the cases) would
>all disagree with this. Selling tapes for any price endangers the
>'privilege' to tape.
The FCC really has no say in this. The FTC (Federal Trade Commission)
might. The RIAA doesn't like the fact that regular consumers have tape
recorders, much less DAT decks. :) Most of the bands that allow taping
would probably disagree with you. If I decide to get out of DAT trading,
what should I do with all those tapes when I have no deck to play them on?
I suppose that I could give them all away, but the fact that physical tape
itself is a valuable commodity makes this unwise in a financial sense. I
could also throw them away, which makes even less sense. I could also
degauss them, but then the buyer wouldn't get the benefit of the music on
the tapes, which (at the priced I'd be selling them at) would hardly be
considered piracy. I could also sell the tapes, perhaps without regard to
what's on them. At least that way the buyer could possibly get a freebie
(the music) and make the decision whether to keep it or record something
s/he finds more worthy.
This is really a tricky issue, and hardly a clear-cut black/white issue as
it's been portrayed. I think the guy who's selling them for $4 a pop is
selling them either at cost or for more than they're worth; a good DDS tape
can now be bought for $3.50, not includig tax and shipping. But if that
price includes tax and shipping, that's more fair. If not, he might be
making a small profit. I really can't tell from what scant information I
have. General rule of thumb is (IMO), used tapes should sell for
substantially less than new ones. Art's one-pass DATs sell for about $1
less than new ones typically sell for, and that seems to be a fair price. I
think that as long as the tapes are advertised as used tapes, and are
priced as used tapes, it's usually unfair to accuse the seller of piracy.
That's not to say that I don't have some uneasy feelings about it.
Peace,
<> David
From: Stig Nielsen <Stig@net.dialog.dk>
Subject: Hour-counter on Fostex D-5?
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:57:48 +0200
I am offered a used Fostex D-5 said to have
very low hours. Does it have an hour-counter
and if so how do I get to it?
Anything else about this machine I should
know? (I *have* read the market postings).
Thank you.
Stig
(in Denmark)
From: jflannery@excite.com
Subject: ISO: Hornsby at Yoshi's (10-28, 10-31, and 11-03-98)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:15:06 PST
I have been looking for the rest of the Yoshi's shows for awhile now and am
getting stalled by guys needing to set up trees first. If ANYBODY has
either of these 3 nights which is actually 6 sets with their being an early
and late show for each night-please get in touch! I am looking for the
board patches (which I know exist) and have the other 14 sets from the run
to trade (all board patches). If you would like to set up a trade, check
out my list for choices in trade-if you wouldn't want other shows from the
run.
Peace,
John Flannery
http://www.tapetrading.com/lists/j/f/jflannery@excite.com.html
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From: Daniel E Sisler <Daniel.E.Sisler@marshmc.com>
Subject: The CD Time Bomb
Date: 14 Jan 1999 21:18:20 Z
Just when we thought we had the answer....this was in todays san
francisco chronicle...
does anyone have a vinyl burner for sale?? B^) peace, dan
Detractors say compact discs are deteriorating with age
Laura Evenson, James Sullivan, Chronicle Staff Writers Thursday,
January 14, 1999
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Anyone who ran out and bought a copy of Billy Joel's ``52nd Street''
-- the first mass-market compact disc, released in 1983 -- might want
to pull it off the shelf and have a look. At least a few CD technology
skeptics claim it could be full of holes.
``The average CD lasts only 15 years,'' says Steve Albini. A Chicago
recording engineer and front man for the band Shellac, his
controversial views, which aired earlier this month on the National
Public Radio show ``Anthem,'' prompted dozens of phone calls and e-mail
messages. ``It's an inevitable process of chemical deterioration.''
Since their introduction, compact discs have been touted as the
recorded format that can handle harsh treatment -- fingerprints,
scratches, peanut butter smears. But Albini, who has produced records
for Nirvana and Bush and mixed the recent reunion of Led Zeppelin's
Jimmy Page and Robert Plant, believes that CDs won't withstand the
simplest of tests: leaving them on the shelves.
He argues that the aluminum used to make CDs deteriorates when it is
exposed to oxidizing agents, leaving the discs vulnerable to ``CD
rot.''
``As long as you clean a vinyl record before you play it, keep it away
from heat and don't scratch it up, vinyl will last a century or more,''
says Albini, who is known for his unrelenting criticism of the music
industry. ``With CDs, you can do everything right, and they will last
only a decade or so.''
Albini's views, and the response they are generating, prove that CDs
remain a disputed medium among audiophiles. Few experts agree with him
completely, but many concede that CDs are not foolproof.
``They are destructible, no question,'' says George Horn, manager of
mastering at Berkeley's Fantasy Studios since 1980. ``People can damage
them by handling and scuffing them, contrary to what was said 15 years
ago.''
What's most frustrating, says Horn, is the medium's built-in process of
``interpolation,'' in which a glitch in the disc's photosensitive layer
causes the CD player to overcompensate, leading to loss of sound
quality and the occasional skip.
``Errors are always with us in the digital recording domain,'' Horn
says.
That's a potential problem for historical archives, Albini says, many
of which are now stored digitally on discs. He's especially concerned
that cultural ephemera, including taped political speeches, commercial
jingles and even some film scores, may not be properly preserved.
``As a music fan and a professional recording engineer who values
history, I feel my job is to make sure that what we do stays put and
available to people for years into the future.'' But the deficiency of
store-bought CDs that Albini describes is a problem that's been
addressed, Horn says. ``It had to do with a particular process that one
of the manufacturers was using (in the early years),'' in
which the injection-mold process let in air, oxidizing the aluminum of
the finished product. ``It's really not a problem anymore.''
George Peterson, editor of Mix Magazine, an audio-industry publication
based in Emeryville, was an early naysayer of CD technology. ``I was
one of the first people to make public that some CDs actually had
mirror blackening, where the silver part corroded like you see in
mirrors.''
But the recording industry has improved its manufacturing process,
Peterson says, making defective CDs a rarity. ``I haven't seen one
since.''
VINYL VS. CDS
Others, however, say they have. Rick Karr, co-host of ``Anthem,'' the
weekly music magazine show, says the deterioration of an older CD in
his collection prompted him to invite Albini as a guest on a show
celebrating the 50th anniversary of vinyl.
``I bought this disc in the early 1990s by the band Big Star and saw it
turn brown. I've seen other discs over time grow more and more prone to
mistracking.''
Mark Goorsky, an associate professor of material science and
engineering at the University of California at Los Angeles, says that
except for a few discs made cheaply by small labels, most audio CDs and
CD-ROMs are at least as hardy as any vinyl record.
``Unless you have a really aggressive environment, with an incredible
amount of humidity, for example, I don't see how a CD would deteriorate
over time if it's just left alone,'' Goorsky says. ``A lot of the big
CD manufacturers are teaming up with big plastic companies to make sure
the discs are sealed and won't darken over time.
``Besides, it's a moot point because the next technology coming up will
replace this one anyway.''
The rapid progression from one recording technology to another is part
of the problem, as Albini sees it. ``With each incremental improvement
in digital technologies, everyone wants to discard the old one. So
often the machines used to make and play back master digital tapes no
longer exist,'' he says.
Fantasy's Horn disagrees that there's reason to fear for the safety of
digital archives. ``I don't think storage is a problem. The U.S. Navy
did tests, and they felt that CDs would last 100 years.''
DEGREE OF RISK
Moses Avalon, author of the new book ``Confessions of a Record
Producer,'' says the whole argument is relative. ``In any storage
medium there's a degree of risk.''
Since CDs have been around for only 15 years, Avalon says, ``no one,
not even Sony or Philips, knows how long digital data can be retained
on the shelf.''
Which is not to say he's a fan of the technology. ``Producers have
hated the standard from the day we were handed it,'' Avalon says -- for
the medium's ``cold'' sound, not its possible longevity problems.
``If I had to place my bet in the cosmic casino on this, I'd say CDs
will not deteriorate.''
From: bjurusik <bjurusik@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: ISO: Radiohead MASTERS
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 99 16:35:02
If anyone has any Radiohead masters, from any year, please
e-mail me, thanks.
Brian Jurusik [bjurusik@stny.lrun.com]
From: "Craig Helmreich" <gnat1@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: ZA2 and Sony M1
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:43:26 -0500
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Anyone doing this now? (ZA2 to M1 and vice versa)
Craig Helmreich
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From: "Joshua Fox" <jafox@unity.ncsu.edu>
Subject: Need Help In California
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:40:56 -0500
Hey Fellows --
I need some help. As a brother in the brotherhood and sisterhood of DAT, I
find that I need to upgrade. I have found a machine in the San
Fran/Sacramento area, but I need someone who would carry out the operation
for me. Being in North Carolina, I can't quite get to California right now.
Someone wants to buy my machine but at the same time, I need something to
record and play with. I would be forever indebted and would find some way
to repay. Thanks for all who can help.
Josh Fox
From: Yalk@aol.com
Subject: 4mm (dat) and 8mm Blanks Avaialble
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:07:59 EST
I have the following, new, sealed:
10 Sony DGD120D 120meter 4mm (dat) tapes, all ten for only $20.+shipping.
10 TDK DC8-112 8mm data backup tapes, all ten for only $20+shipping.
10 Fuji 112 8mm data backup tapes, all ten for only $20+shipping.
10 Apogee DAT-124 4mm tapes, all ten for only $30+shipping.
Credit cards all sales final.
Regards,
Klay Anderson
klay@klay.com
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: DVD playback of CDRs
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:18:35 -0800
Regarding the person who tried several models of DVD player to
find one which would play CDRs, this is not an abnormality.
By design, no DVD players *except* Sony will play CDRs. Sony's
players have a dual-pickup system, with a separate pickup for
CDs. The dual-function, single pickup in all other brands of DVD
players, can play regular CDs but not CDRs.
--Gary
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Bait & Switch
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:27:08 -0800
If you're going to the Arrowhead Pond in San Bernardino to see
Green Day, don't be too surprised when they have Brian Adams
instead! (opening for the Rolling Stones). Talk about your
"extreme shifts in music"!!
--G
From: charlie warstler <bcwarst@fuse.net>
Subject: FS: Sony m1
Reply-To: bcwarst@fuse.net
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:02:44 -0500
I ran into some last minute news and I need to get rid of my brand new
M1. I picked it up from Klay Anderson Audio a few weeks ago, so it
hasn't been used for more than 10 hours. I'm asking for cost and I'll
split the shipping, $650.
Thanks,
Charlie Warstler
(513)272-3206
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Re: preamps
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:43:52 -0800
"Why not? Just use a 6" extension tube on top of the 5/8" fitting above
the
first bracket for the mics, and put the second set above that..."
"Philosophically speaking, yes, you cannot have a truly transcendental A/B
experience w/ every quantum particle's state accurately reproduced. But
for equipment comparison uses, It's perfectly valid to setup 2 mics about
6" off of each other..."
(I'm not agreeing or disagreeing but just throwing this out as another way
to look at it):
Say I ran an A/B like you speak of with 2 identical rigs then gave you the
tapes and asked you to tell me which you like better. Do you think you
would prefer one over the other? Or would you say they sounded identical
or so minisculy difn't that the issue was moot? This type of A/B would be
good to get a feel for how positioning affects the sound.......Pete
From: "Tom Hoffman" <tomh01@erols.com>
Subject: RATDOG@ ELEC FACTORY
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:43:13 -0500
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hi
was reading the latest digest..c.ame across a message from someone who =
left some blanks with tapers......well, that reminds me, back in =
november when ratdog was at the electric factory in philly, i got a =
patch off some neumann km series microphones, anyway, the guy that =
patched me in ended up pulling my patch by accident. I cant remember his =
name, but he was from chadds ford pa and after the show, took a fresh =
90M HP dat from me along with my address and promised to run the show =
off for me since he felt bad about unplugging me...anyway...no tape =
yet.....if you are that person, or if someone on the list may know this =
guy....can i have my tape back?
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From: "Vikas Bhatia" <vikas10@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO: Extra tix for RATM/BeastieBoys show in NJ
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:59:34 PST
Looking for tix to the Mumia Abu Jamal Benefit featuring the Beastie
Boys and Rage Against the Machine. Please contact me if you can help.
Thanks in advance!
Vikas
Vikas Bhatia
Columbia University
School of Engineering & Applied Sciences
Mechanical Engineering
vikas10@hotmail.com
Vikas Bhatia
362 Riverside Dr. #7C2
New York, NY 10025
DAT list: Available Upon Request
Analog list: Available Upon Request
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From: "Vikas Bhatia" <vikas10@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO: Extra tix for RATM/BeastieBoys show in NJ
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:59:49 PST
Looking for tix to the Mumia Abu Jamal Benefit featuring the Beastie
Boys and Rage Against the Machine. Please contact me if you can help.
Thanks in advance!
Vikas
Vikas Bhatia
Columbia University
School of Engineering & Applied Sciences
Mechanical Engineering
vikas10@hotmail.com
Vikas Bhatia
362 Riverside Dr. #7C2
New York, NY 10025
DAT list: Available Upon Request
Analog list: Available Upon Request
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From: bjurusik <bjurusik@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: ISO: Sony M1 or D8
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 99 21:02:53
If anyone has a Sony M1 or D8 for sale, used or new, please
e-mail me.
Brian Jurusik [bjurusik@stny.lrun.com]
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