DAT-Heads Digest #713
Contents:
Wanted Phish 12/31/98 MSG ("Scott Levitt")
Black Crowes taping policy (Dan Clark)
ISO Doors (Delano)
Re: ooops, bought sblive can't get the digital i/o to record from Sony D8 (Jeff Lester)
dpa 4060/4061 stealth mics ("David W. Bothner")
X-TRA DATS... TRADE FOR BLANKS... (ChillyBe@aol.com)
SONY TC-WA9ES DUAL 3-HEAD Stereo Cassette Deck for SALE!!! (ChillyBe@aol.com)
FREE Cruise & Other Travel Delights ("Fred")
Denon DTR-80P Repair needed ("Dan Sisler")
Help (rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com)
Re: That pesky space between tracks on CDRs... Help! ("David D. Rogers")
Re: Tascam CDR burner ("David D. Rogers")
Re: ooops, bought sblive can't get the digital i/o to record fro ("Norbert Hahn")
Re: Fostex D5 / Sony D8 Digital Interconnect (Andrew Haley)
From: "Scott Levitt" <sjlevitt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Wanted Phish 12/31/98 MSG
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:51:55 PST
Looking for 12/23/98 MSG. Lots to trade.
www.patriot.net/users/levitt
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From: Dan Clark <clarkda@NKU.EDU>
Subject: Black Crowes taping policy
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:19:41 -0500
Does anyone know the Crowe's policy on this tour? They have been fairly
open to tapers in the past but there is no indication on their official web
site. Also, anyone who gets any nice tapes from the tour, contact me and
we'll trade for this or previous tour tapes.
--Dan
From: Delano <bluesky@mindspring.com>
Subject: ISO Doors
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:16:22 -0500
Hi;
I am looking for the following Doors' shows on DAT:
October 11th, 1967 Danbury High School Gym - Danbury, CT
December 26th,28th, 1967 Winterland Arena - S.F., CA
March 17th, 1968. Back Bay Theater - Boston, MA
May 10th, 1968 Unknown
Friday, July 5th, 1968 Hollywood Bowl - Hollywood, CA
Tuesday, July 9th, 1968 Dallas Memorial Auditorium - Dallas, TX
August 2nd, 1968 The Singer Bowl - N.Y.
Friday, September 6th, 1968 The Round House, London England (early & late)
Friday, September 20th, 1968 Konserthaus - Stockholm, Sweeden (early & late)
Anything, not on my list (found at my web pages listed below) I would like to
add to my collection. Please contact me to set up a trade.
Take Care,
Delano
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From: lester@gandalf.sp.trw.com (Jeff Lester)
Subject: Re: ooops, bought sblive can't get the digital i/o to record from Sony D8
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:18:59 -0800
Daniel Barton <dfbarton@bellsouth.net> asks:
>I know, I know I shouldn't have bought the sblive soundcard. There's
>still a chance I can swap it out from where I bought it. Meanwhile, I
>wanted to try it out and I was unable to record from a Sony D8 using the
>7 pin Digital I/O connector / RCA adapter. I plugged the RCA into the
>S/PDIF input in the sblive digital I/O daughterboard which was cabled
>properly to the soundcard.
If you are using the Sony 7-pin to a single coax adapter, you should know
that it only works for coax into the DAT deck. It doesn't transmit an output
signal from the DAT deck.
-Jeff Lester
From: "David W. Bothner" <dwb@ameritech.net>
Subject: dpa 4060/4061 stealth mics
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:41:18 -0500
any comments out there on these high-end stealths? as good as their specs
promise? which sensitivity are people using?
anyone got a set when they'd rather have $?
dwb
From: ChillyBe@aol.com
Subject: X-TRA DATS... TRADE FOR BLANKS...
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:57:21 EST
The following shows are available to the first person willing to have [10]
brand new Panasonic Pro 94 minute tapes sent to my house. This is an all or
nothing deal. Absolutely no splitting. Serious offers only... if interested
e-mail me directly.
Thanks in advance...
Brian
ChillyBe@aol.com
GD 6/3/76 all 90m Maxell
GD 5/19/77 II 60m Pansonic Pro
GD 10/9/89 all 90m Verbatim
GD 5/4/77 all 90m Maxell
GD 7/1/79 all 90m Maxell
GD 3/24/90 all 90m Maxell
GD 7/12/90 all 90m Maxell
GD 9/26/91 all 90m Optima (Maxell)
WSP 4/20/97 II 60m Scotch 3M
PINK FLOYD 4/26/75 60m Panasonic Pro
From: ChillyBe@aol.com
Subject: SONY TC-WA9ES DUAL 3-HEAD Stereo Cassette Deck for SALE!!!
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:20:17 EST
I have a 1996 Sony TC-WA9ES Dual 3-Head cassette deck I would like to sell. I
have all the original packaging and instructions. The unit is now out of
warranty. I have been the sole owner of this deck. It was originally
purchased after I bought several DAT decks to spin nice crispy cassettes for
the tape player in my car. I only had that car for 4 more months after the
purchase. I spun maybe 100 tapes on it (and that is exagerating) ... I never
played tapes because I had DAT's. The car I purchased has a CD player. To make
a long story short I would like to part with the unit. The person who buys
this unit is getting a hell of deck fort he money. I have compared tapes made
with Nakamichi casette decks and this high-end Sony ES unit hangs with the
best. The heads are immaculate and everything works perfect. It is not dusty
or dirty. The deck has pitch control, independant record heads on both decks,
laser-emorphous doors, and autoreverse. The orignal sticker price was $999. I
paid $899. I am asking $500 cash.
If you are in the market or know a friend who is looking for a nice deck and
are serious then you should consider this offer. I am serious about offing
this unit and will not turn down a reasonable offer. Please contact me
directly. Thanks in advance.
Brian
ChillyBe@aol.com
From: "Fred" <xenu3@grabmail.com>
Subject: FREE Cruise & Other Travel Delights
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:20:38 UTC+0200
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From: "Dan Sisler" <dans@wenet.net>
Subject: Denon DTR-80P Repair needed
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:01:52 -0800
subject says it, i think a head replacement is in this deck's future, can
anyone recommend a reliable repair shop...i have had success with pro
digital for my sony products...any help is appreciated....peace, dan
From: rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com
Subject: Help
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:34:02 -0600
I would like to call on the DAT Heads list for some help. Due to my lack
of knowledge, I purchased a Sony D8 about a year and a half ago. I say
this because it seems the D100 or M1 would have been a better choice.
However the D8 has served me well so I am not complaining too much.
I really wanted to be able to clone without buying a second machine. I
also wanted to go digital to my computer to burn discs. Therefore, I
thought my best choice was a sound card with Digital I/O. I shopped around
and it looked like the best bang for the buck was the Soundblaster Live! card.
Shortly after buying the SB Live! I learn that it is not truely capable of
cloning because it resamples everything. I thought to myself, thats ok. I
am by no means an audiophile so I will not notice the difference.
So tonight, I begin to do the first digital transfer to my computer. I
fire up CoolEdit and get set to record. It comes up and tells me that
copyrighted material will be muted during recording. I begin recording and
it mutes a DAT I recorded on my D8. So, I fire up Soundforge XP. Same
result.
I am a novice in the area of Digital recording so I have the following
questions:
1. How does a DAT I record on my D8 become copyrighted?
2. If I buy a "Pro" DAT deck, will I be able to record to the digital in
of the SB Live? In other words, will it bypass the SCMS evidently written
by my D8?
3. What would be the least expensive deck that would allow cloning from my
D8 as well as playing my D8 recorded DATs so the SB Live would record them?
4. Would I be better off buying a ZA2 or similar card and ditching the SB
Live instead of buying a second deck?
Sorry for the length of this post. Thanks for the help.
Richard
e-mail: rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com
www: http://home.midsouth.rr.com/rwarren
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: That pesky space between tracks on CDRs... Help!
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:45:49 -0800
>From: Jonathan Haynes <biscuit@gol.com>
>Subject: That pesky space between tracks on CDRs... Help!
>Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:31:49 +0900
>
>Well, as many have probably experienced by this time--I am trying to
>"restore" a recording corrupted by non-DAO software. Removing the digital
>silences placed between tracks on a live show. I am using Easy CD-DA
>Extractor 3 to rip the offending CD's tracks, then sending them into
>DartPro32 to laboriously cut/paste them into one file, manually removing
>the space between each track. Aside from being terribly time-consuming,
>this is leaving me with no track IDs! Plan B was to use the "Remove
>Digital Silence" feature of the aforementioned ripper software, which still
>left a small d/o where 2 seconds of digital silence used to be--not really
>acceptable for trading. Can somebody with experience in this procedure
>offer me a tip or two? AND, to compound things, I can't get Adaptec Easy
>CD Creator to recognize the 80 minute CDR format--has there been a patch
>written for this? Please comment on your experiences in this area. Jonathan
What I've done (for this first time this weekend, actually--with great
results) is extract the entire disc as one long file using CDRWin. I open
up that file with Cool Edit and look for the blank spots. They're not hard
to find, since they're all listed on the .CUE sheet that CDRWin created.
(I've already set up Cool Edit so that it shows 75 frames per second, which
is how CDRWin (and CD editing in general) works.) The blank spaces are just
a fraction of a second after the track begins.
Once I find the blank spaces, I zoom in. A lot. Right down to the sample
level. I can tell I'm at the sample level when it shows squares; each one
represents where a sample is. Before I zom in that much, I highlight most
of it. I then try to cover all of it using the arrow keys (using left and
right for the right size of the highlight, and shift-left and shift-right
for the left side)to get all of it. As I go along, I use Cool Edit's
statistics (under the Option menu) and see what the top volume level is. If
it's anything over aprox. 96 1/3 dB, it's not 100% digital silence. I do
this a few times as I try to get the entire blank spot, and nothing else.
Note: These blank spots aren't always the same size. One spot was a little
over 533 samples (very easy to hear), another was just over 60 (not easy to
hear). I wasn't able to find one of them, either by scrolling with Cool
Edit or by ear. (I'm not even sure it was actually there, but I don't
believe it was a very big loss.)
After that, I decide where to put the start ID's. They shouldn't be in the
same place, since this process moves a lot of the music a few frames to the
left. And I wasn't all that crazy about where the start ID's were
originally anyway. Again, this is made so much easier by the fact that I've
set Cool Edit to be at 75 frames per second; I can then re-write the .CUE
sheet more easily.
Note: This process is extremelly time-consuming, and I don't want to do it
again. :) But I've got two more shows (four CDs) to do it on in the future,
and I know I'll do it after that too, because either one of my trading
partners won't be considerate (won't do DAO), or because one of their
trading partners won't be.
Peace,
<> David
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: Tascam CDR burner
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:45:50 -0800
>From: "Rob Bertrando" <rbbert@pyramid.net>
>Subject: Tascam CDR burner
>Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:27:58 -0800
>I know this was mentioned briefly, but does anyone have any opinions or =
>experience with this? It's being released imminently, and Terrapin =
>plans to sell it for $950 or so. It's a "pro" model, i.e. no SCMS, and =
>free use of "computer grade" CDR blanks.
I don't know about Tascam stand-alones (I've never heard about them until
now), but Teac (Tascam's parent company) seems to make great computer CD-R
recorders.
>Seems to me this compares well with the cost of a good sound card plus a =
>SCSI controller plus a SCSI CDR writer, and the A/D might be better with =
>the Tascam (for making CDs from analog sources).
You could make CDs from analog sources, but if you have a pro DAT recorder
(as most people on this list seem to), why would you want to do that? You
can at least make sure the kinks of "live" recording don't get in (if you
mess up with cuing the analog source, for example). I realize that what
works for the people on this list won't necessairly apply to most people in
the outside world; in other words, a few of these will undoubtedly find
their way to people who don't even have a DAT recorder. (But not many. :)
I'm more curious if this model has 48 -> 44.1 resampling--I'll bet it does,
and it probably does a damn good job, too.
Let's tally up the costs here. You can buy a Smart & Friendly (Teac OEM)
CD-R drive (the 4x "Speed Writer"), which includes a basic, functional SCSI
card, for only $340 at Best Buy. (Or at least you could up to the end of
last year--don't know how much they're selling for right now. Or you could
buy the original Teac 55S drive for $250 and a basic SCSI card for about
$100 separately--only $10 more.) That drive doesn't have CD-RW capability,
but neither does the Tascam, AFAIK. I'm assuming that the consumer we're
talking about here has a PC with Windows 98 and a USB port--they can buy an
Opcode DATport at Sam Ash Music for only $150. (They weren't selling it
when I went there this past week, but several stores had it on order, and
they were taking pre-orders.) That's a whopping $490 so far. They'll need
software, assuming the DATport has none--Cool Edit does well for $50, and
does a great (if slow) job of resampling 48 kHz sources to 44.1.
(Resampling isn't among the listed features of the DATport, so I assume it
doesn't.) The drive comes with Adaptec's basic software, and you could do a
little more with Goldenhawk's CDRWin--another $80. That's only
$620--expensive, but on par with the least-expensive pro DAT recorders, and
still a lot less expensive than a stand-alone pro CD-R. And I didn't even
mention that you can store computer data on it. :)
Peace,
<> David
From: "Norbert Hahn" <HAHN@HRZ3.HRZ.TU-Darmstadt.De>
Subject: Re: ooops, bought sblive can't get the digital i/o to record fro
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:03:03 +0100
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:32:33 -0500 Daniel Barton <dfbarton@bellsouth.net> wrote...
> Subject: ooops, bought sblive can't get the digital i/o to record from Sony D8
>
> I know, I know I shouldn't have bought the sblive soundcard. There's
> still a chance I can swap it out from where I bought it. Meanwhile, I
> wanted to try it out and I was unable to record from a Sony D8 using the
> 7 pin Digital I/O connector / RCA adapter. I plugged the RCA into the
> S/PDIF input in the sblive digital I/O daughterboard which was cabled
> properly to the soundcard.
This is how it should be done. Do you get any sound in play mode via S/P DIF in?
Creative Mixer has two faces, one for play back and one for recording. Initially
the Mixer comes up with the play back face. Select S/P DIF in by clicking into
the small window above the slide. Some ))) should be displayed then. Move the
slider up fully as a first iteration. Now you should be able to hear your DAT
deck playing. You can overlay any other input here, be in analogue or digital.
If that fails there is some good chance that you have outdated drivers installed.
Those shipped with the card do not support digital in. You need to pull an
upgrade from CL's www server.
If you can hear you DAT deck play you need the recording part of the Creative
Mixer. Load another instance of that program, click view and look up the pop up
windows. One of them lets you switch to record mode. Select S/P DIF there in
the same way as you did for play back. Move the input volume to 2/3. Now you
are ready to use your favourite program to record.
Dont't forget to select wave output in the playback section of the Mixer to
hear what you recorded before...
Hope this helps,
Norbert
From: Andrew Haley <aph@pasanda.cygnus.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Fostex D5 / Sony D8 Digital Interconnect
Date: 19 Jan 1999 10:39:50 -0000
> From: "Edwards,Kevin L" <edwardkl@dbs-systems.com>
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:52:53 -0500
>
> Hope this is beneficial to others as well.
>
> I own a Sony TCD-D8 and a Fostex D5.
>
> The D5 has S/PDIF optical and AES/EBU coax digital interconnects. Two
> of the options for doing digital transfers between these include:
>
> 1. Sony cable POC-DA12P for optical S/PDIF input/output to Sony
> 7-pin
> 2. Core-Sounds cable with 7-pin to XLR (AES/EBU)
>
> What are the advantages and disadvantages (aside from cost) of these
> different methods of digital interconnect?
The subcode of AES/EBU and S/PDIF is different: you may lose start IDs
in the conversion. I hate optical cables because they're fragile and
unreliable, but in this case I'd stick with them.
Andrew.
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