DAT-Heads Digest #715
Contents:
Dan Vincent E-Mail address? (Chuck Ross)
MMW 13-17 (Jordan Mayhew)
DA-302 Questions ("rich880")
ISO: Sam Bush @ Boulder Theater 12/31/98 (DCin10AC)
KAO 60m GOLDS for sale (David Gutelius)
Newbie Computer Hardware Question (Aschultzy@aol.com)
Richard...you need to download the new drivers from SB Live ("Ross Warren, Jr.")
Tape trading story.. (Allan)
ISO: AKG 460's or 480's (Delano)
RE: ooops, bought sblive can't get the digital i/o to record ("David D. Rogers")
digital patch bays ("John L")
Re: SB Live resampling question (Seth Breidbart)
Re: Help (Seth Breidbart)
ISO Pharm Aid Phish 98 ("Richard Orintas, Jr.")
tapetracker (allan chen)
ISO: Godspeed You Black Emperor! Peel Session (Paul Skinner)
Re: ooops, bought sblive can't get the digital i/o to record from Sony D8 (Andrew Haley)
Re: CDr System Check Please! ("Charles D. Boozer")
Pat Mcgee Band ("Tim Cochrane")
DAT Seeds needed for all D&T shows... ("Christian Groves")
Re: DAT-Heads Digest #713 ("J. Treworgy")
DA-20 Tape Jam (Chris Wallace)
From: Chuck Ross <ckross@enteract.com>
Subject: Dan Vincent E-Mail address?
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:38:01 -0600
Does anyone have a current e-mail address for Dan Vincent?
Thanks in advance.
Visit my Digital Photo web page
http://www.enteract.com/~ckross/
From: Jordan Mayhew <jmayhew@cloud9.net>
Subject: MMW 13-17
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:45:12 -0500
Does anyone have MMW January 13 - 17 @ the Bowery Ballroom for trade?
Jordan
From: "rich880" <rich880@tmlp.com>
Subject: DA-302 Questions
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:24:08 -0500
Hello all,
I am seriously considering purchasing a Tascam DA-302. I am hearing
conflicting stories on it's reliability, however. I would like to hear
people's stories both good and bad.It sounds like an amazing machine and I
hope it's worth the money. After all, it is the only dual DAT deck out
there.Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for the b/w
Rich
From: DCin10AC <dcin10ac@mindspring.com>
Subject: ISO: Sam Bush @ Boulder Theater 12/31/98
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:04:31 -0600
Hey now,
Looking for a copy of this supposedly incredible show. I spoke with Dean
Norman last week and he indicated he gave out several board patches, so
who's got em? Fess up!
More than enough Sam or bluegrass to trade in return.
Thanks,
Dirk
From: David Gutelius <gutelius@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Subject: KAO 60m GOLDS for sale
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:10:54 -0500
Greetings fellow DAT-heads,
I have 30 unused, still-shrink-wrapped Dats: KAO Gold, 60m.
I paid 4 bucks each. You can have them for $3 per tape, inclusive of
shipping costs.
David P. Gutelius
Department of History
Johns Hopkins University
gute@jhu.edu
From: Aschultzy@aol.com
Subject: Newbie Computer Hardware Question
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:39:23 EST
I recently upgraded my computer memory and chip speed. I also purchased the
Plexwriter after reading all the recommendations of this list. My question
involves what kind of soundcard I should purchase. My computer will have two
CD drives, a player and a recorder. Also, if possible I would like the
soundcard to be compatible with the Sony D8 DAT, as my friend has just
purchased one. Any help would be great. Thanks in advance.
Andrew
From: "Ross Warren, Jr." <rwarren@i-america.net>
Subject: Richard...you need to download the new drivers from SB Live
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:27:12 -0500
Richard,
I only have the "value" version of this card (w/o digi
input) but from what I've read in the past issues of
DATheads is that Creative Labs was made aware of this
problem (muting all digital input signals regardless of
SCMS) and fixed it shortly after the card came out with new
drivers available on their website...the card still
resamples all to 48 khz, but at least you CAN use it...
Peace,
Ross
rwarren@i-america.net
infinite diversity, infinite combinations
From: Allan <box532@idirect.com>
Subject: Tape trading story..
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:31:17 -0500
http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/9532.html
From: Delano <bluesky@mindspring.com>
Subject: ISO: AKG 460's or 480's
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:51:13 -0500
Hi;
I'm considering purchasing a pair of these. Does anyone know of a pair of
AKG
460's or 480's for a good price?
Take Care,
Delano
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~bluesky/default.html
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ities.com/CollegePark/Center/3834/index.htm
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: ooops, bought sblive can't get the digital i/o to record
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:54:48 -0800
>From: "Dave Egan" <degan@seanet.com>
>Subject: RE: ooops, bought sblive can't get the digital i/o to record from
Sony D8
>Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:22:23 -0800
>
>Hi Dan,
>
>I don't know why you're so sorry about buying a SBLive! I have one and find
>it works great. I think the people on DAT-heads who complain about it don't
>have one,
Do we have to have something to have an opintion about it?
> and are just repeating something they heard somewhere on the
>Internet. I take things like that with a BIG grain of salt.
"Heard something on the Internet" like what? That it resamples everything?
Sorry, you haven't exactly uncovered any rumor-mongering here. A fact
that's damaging but true is not a rumor; and I take it you were implying
others were rumor-mongering. If you've uncovered any rumors, please tell us
about them or shut up.
Then you say,
>Although
>Creative admits that the SBLive does reasample its digital inputs, I fail to
>hear ANY audible difference, and I've listened hard, believe me! The specs
>they've recently published on their website are VERY respectable and
>certainly as good as anyone's DAT deck.
No, they're not. It takes off 6 dB from the bottom end. This certainly
ain't "pro quality", which is what Creative advertises. Gee, I don't know
WHY anyone would get all hot and bothered over a little advertising error
like that...
> The forced resampling is certainly
>not ideal, but since I use the SBLive! to convert my 48Khz recordings to
>44.1 in preparation for CD, the resampling is unavoidable anyway.
But the resampling of 48 to 48 then to 44.1 IS avoidable. You're confusing
that with the unavoidable resampling from 48 to 44.1. The third,
unnecessary step can be easily avoided by spending another $50 to get a
Turtle Beach Fiji.
> As a
>practical matter, the forced resampling is no problem at all for me.
It isn't? See how many knowledgable people still want to trade CD-Rs with
you when you tell them you do transfers with a SB Live! card, and then tell
me how practical your card is. It IS a problem for people like me who are
concerned about digital integrity among the trading community, particularly
for lossless media like DAT and CD-R. There is a reason people like me are
concerned about keeping as much digital integrity as possible over
generations of copies. With analog, continuous generational degradation
can't be avoided; with digital, it can. If something as simple as not using
a SB Live card can keep it from happening, then spend the extra money.
Defending a bad choice by saying it isn't so bad because you can't hear a
difference doesn't make it a less-bad choice.
If you were talking about MD trading, where (I think) people have accepted
that they're going to get generational loss, that's one thing. But when you
talk about a lossless media like CD-R or DAT, anything that hurts digital
integrity is seen as a bad thing. Even if you can't hear it in the first
generation, it does build up if and becomes audible when people become lax
about things that corrupt data. Particularly because these things are SO
avoidable, I'd rather people avoid things like the SB Live! card. The
average DAT Head tends to be more elitist than the average MD or analog
trader because we've got a great medium where integrity can be kept over,
theoretically, an unlimited number of generations. CD-R has the potential
to be the same, except that many traders don't give a s**t about digital
integrity, or burning properly, etc. (I say this having recieved a MUCH
hiher percentage of badly-copied CD-Rs than badly-copied DATs.) This
doesn't have to be the case.
Peace,
<> David
From: "John L" <JLevene@idcomm.com>
Subject: digital patch bays
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:00:28 -0700
I am wondering if anyone has info on who makes a digtal patch bay. If you
have any website links, or testimonials, please pass them along. Also, what
is the maximum length of a digital patch cord before it is too long and can
have problems?
john
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: SB Live resampling question
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:09:54 -0500 (EST)
> If I have a 48 KHz song on my Sony D8 and want to digitally transfer it to my
> SoundBlaster Live (which resamples to 48 KHz), what exactly happens?
Based on my reading of the stuff at their site, the resampling handles
clock mismatches. (I don't know how badly jitter affects it, or
whether there's anti-jitter hardware before the resampling stage.)
> How different will the resulting sound be? What sort of distortions will
> happen and how noticable will it be?
It will be slightly different, depending on the exact clock speeds.
It probably won't be noticeable; certainly not through a computer's
speakers.
HOWEVER, if you have a master tape made at 44.1 kHz sampling (as many
tapers are doing these days), that tape will be resampled to 48 kHz
and back to 44.1 kHz; also, the resampling will not be a purely
arithmetic resampling (based only on the bits read from the tape), but
will depend on the clock speed of the deck used for playback.
> I have read that it takes several generations through good D/A and A/D
> converters for sound to noticeably degenerate (although I am sure some will
> differ with this), so I am wondering if the digital resampling of the SB Live
> will really discolor the sound of my recordings.
It probably won't, for most values of "really".
Seth
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Help
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:24:24 -0500 (EST)
> 1. How does a DAT I record on my D8 become copyrighted?
All tapes written on a D8 (from analog) have SCMS=11, which means
"copyright asserted, one more generation allowed".
> 2. If I buy a "Pro" DAT deck, will I be able to record to the digital in
> of the SB Live? In other words, will it bypass the SCMS evidently written
> by my D8?
Playing on the pro deck will still send the scms=11 written on the
tape; however, copying to the pro deck will get you a tape with
scms=00.
> 4. Would I be better off buying a ZA2 or similar card and ditching the SB
> Live instead of buying a second deck?
That's your call; for cloning, a second deck is a lot easier (albeit
more expensive); however, the ZA2 will allow exact copies.
(As someone has already noted, an upgrade to the SB's firmware should
fix your immediate problem.)
Seth
From: "Richard Orintas, Jr." <orintas@watervalley.net>
Subject: ISO Pharm Aid Phish 98
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:29:26 -0600
If anybody has a copy I sure would like to get my hands on it. Thanks
and have a good one.
Bo
http:\\www.watervalley.net\users\orintas
From: allan chen <kaiyen@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: tapetracker
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:13:45 -0800
Hey guys,
I got a few questions about TapeTracker - if anyone has some time to help,
I'd appreciate it. It's a great program, but I can't seem to find a few
features that I'm pretty sure it has...
thanks,
allan chen
From: Paul Skinner <paul_skinner@dialog.com>
Subject: ISO: Godspeed You Black Emperor! Peel Session
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:01:54 +0000
Forgot this was on last night. Anyone get it?
Thanks - Paul
From: Andrew Haley <aph@pasanda.cygnus.co.uk>
Subject: Re: ooops, bought sblive can't get the digital i/o to record from Sony D8
Date: 20 Jan 1999 11:53:11 -0000
> From: "Dave Egan" <degan@seanet.com>
> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:22:23 -0800
>
> I think the people on DAT-heads who complain about it don't have
> one,
Of course we don't have one! Arny Krueger had this to say when he
tested one:
Tests of the digital input of this card have been pretty
disturbing. The digital input would not respond to test tones
with the in-box drivers. Updating to the .1021 drivers on CL's
web site fixed this problem. However, the digital input still
seems to get unneeded DSP processing and corrupts sound quality
by adding fairly broad 1 dB high peaks around 4 kHz, 10-12 kHz,
and 16-20 Khz, with 44 kHz sampling.
The digital output measures 1 dB down at 13.5 KHz, an -3dB at 17
khz, and -15 dB at 20 kHz.
Really, if we're going to put up with performance like this we might
as well use the analog inputs.
> and are just repeating something they heard somewhere on the
> Internet. I take things like that with a BIG grain of salt.
> Although Creative admits that the SBLive does reasample its digital
> inputs, I fail to hear ANY audible difference, and I've listened
> hard, believe me! The specs they've recently published on their
> website are VERY respectable and certainly as good as anyone's DAT
> deck.
They claim frequency response of 10Hz to 44kHz at -1dB and SNR
(A-weighted) 96 dB. Arny actually measured D/A 30-15 KHz +0.1/ - 1.1
dB and 69dB. I think their specs only refer to pure analog loopback
and don't involve their converters at all.
Andrew.
From: "Charles D. Boozer" <cboozer@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: CDr System Check Please!
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:17:26 -0600
> Several people have asked for help buying a CDr and associated
> equipment for a computer.
>
> I'm in the same position and have an idea that might provide good insight
> for newbies like myself.
>
> Here's the idea:
> If everybody that's using Cdr equipmnet would list the items they use
> such as computer type(cpu, Hd, RAM, etc.), digital soundcard, SCSI
> controller, CDr and burning software. Then make a short comment as to
> the level of their satisfaction or recommended changes.
Steve, I think that's a good idea. I just recently added my burning
setup to my dat-list. I haven't actively traded cd-r, just used it
for personal archiving purposes, but it seems to be more of it
starting up. I'm always willing to help people out with setup
problems (of course I use a Mac, so I never have problems burning.
Let the flame wars begin!).
Charles
P.S. Always down for jazz and jazz-funk trades. See my list at the
url in my sig.
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From: "Tim Cochrane" <tc11@uakron.edu>
Subject: Pat Mcgee Band
Reply-To: "Tim Cochrane" <tc11@uakron.edu>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:31:36 -0500
Let your friends know...............
Tues Jan 26th Little Brothers
All ages 5$- 7$DOS
Columbus Ohio
Domestic Problems Opening
Wens Jan 27th
The Staduim- Oxford Ohio
Thurs. Jan. 28: The Pat McGee Band***
Gaffiti Showcase
Pittsburgh PA.
Opener:
The Awakening Ritual
Showtime: 8 PM
ALL AGES
Tickets: $7 in adv. & $9 dos
From: "Christian Groves" <groves2@tcnj.edu>
Subject: DAT Seeds needed for all D&T shows...
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:43:51 -0500
Hey all-
With the new tour just started, I am looking for DAT tapers who are
attending shows this tour to email me, and who are able to provide the seed
for a Dave and Tim PermaTree.
I know this hasnt worked out to well in the past, but if the structure
remains relatively small, and with 5 or so people who are able to convert to
analog or CDr, this could work out really nicely.
I am willing to setup the structure for the permatree once i have
confirmation from tapers that they are able to provide a good majority of
the seeds. If any DAT tapers are attending a show with the intent to tape,
please contact me, and we can make arrangements to seed the tree.
Please contact me if you taped last nights show, or are planning to tape any
of the upcoming shows on this tour. Once I have confirmation for a few
shows, i will send out a sign up form in the near future.
Please, no one contact me for signups until that time.
Thank You.
Christian Groves
groves2@tcnj.edu
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From: "J. Treworgy" <jamie@treworgy.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-Heads Digest #713
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:02:44 -0800
At 06:15 AM 1/19/99 EST, "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
>What I've done (for this first time this weekend, actually--with great
>results) is extract the entire disc as one long file using CDRWin. I open
>up that file with Cool Edit and look for the blank spots. They're not hard
...
Another good way to do this - which I find easier than using an audio
editor for this level of precision - is to use a hex editor. There's an
old one called HEdit version 2.1 that is still the best, IMHO, because it's
easy to use and doesn't force you to load the whole file but allows you to
work on disk (including cutting and pasting), and then saves all your
changes once you finish.
Anyway it's quite easy to find the gaps and delete them this way - you can
actually see the blank space as zero bytes. Just make sure you delete
bytes four at a time or you'll screw everything up (one sample = 16 bits x
2 channels = 4 bytes).
Jamie
From: Chris Wallace <chriswallace@earthlink.net>
Subject: DA-20 Tape Jam
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:10:25 -0800
<html>
in the last three weeks i have had 2 labeled maxell 60m dats get jammed
in my da-20. i took the deck to get fixed and "tuned" up and to
my dismay another 60M DAT got stuck inside this morning. has anyone
had similar experiences, is it my decks or the media?? any info
appreciated. thx<br>
<br>
chris<br>
<font color="#0000FE"><u>http://home.earthlink.net/~chriswallace/datlist.html<br>
</font></u></html>
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