DAT-Heads Digest #718
Contents:
ISO: King Crimson (Moedat@aol.com)
ISO House of Freaks (brian)
Pro Decks & SCMS ("john")
portable power for TCD-D8 (RadioPaul9@aol.com)
Miracle Orchestra 1/28 (forsha@conknet.com)
Battery Pack PDF Correction (Yalk@aol.com)
Does Panasonic 7502 do digital extraction? (Steven M Burtchaell)
Excite.com (sanderso@Celestica.com)
cdr system check...(my yamaha cdr won't cooperate w/ win98) (Joshua Whitley)
RE: Have an extra D7/D8 AC Adaptor? (Chuck Ross)
E-mail Adr for Dan Vincent? (Chuck Ross)
DAT-port as alternative to sound cards (Martin Voelker)
SB Live, several answers ("Norbert Hahn")
Re: DA-30MKII (Is maintenance enough on an older deck?) ("Norbert Hahn")
Stones (Colin Liston)
Re: Lucid NB-24/PCI-24 and Sony Portable DATs (Len Moskowitz)
11/4 - 11/7 11-20-98 weed continued ("gamehenge")
230V Sony power supply for tcd-d100? (Udo van den Heuvel)
ISO: Garbage 1999 UK/Europe shows (William Shaw)
re: SB Live (why not to use it!) (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
Re: R U Going CD I need dats!! ("Brian Krahmer")
Neumann TLM103 or Josephson Series 6 to record concerts-comments? (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
KAO 60m GOLDS for sale (fwd) (David Gutelius)
From: Moedat@aol.com
Subject: ISO: King Crimson
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:32:52 EST
I am ISO of good quality King Crimson on dat (any era). Check out my list at:
<A HREF="members.aol.com/~Moedat">members.aol.com/~Moedat</A>
From: brian <misterb@hilarious.com>
Subject: ISO House of Freaks
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:30:44 +0000
just checking, has ANYBODY have ANYTHING by this great two-piece of years
gone by?
cheers,
brian
From: "john" <john@datrack.com>
Subject: Pro Decks & SCMS
Reply-To: <john@datrack.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:08:00 -0500
Both Panasonic (3700, 3800) & Sony Pro (PCM 2600, PCM 2800, R500) Decks will
record a tape as is if the deck being used to play it back recognizes the
SCMS. In example, using a D7, D8, Sony 59ES and recording either to a
Panasonic or Sony Pro Unit Via the SPDIF input. If you record PRO to PRO
using the digital XLR outputs & inputs (AES/EBU) with 2 of the same
units/manufacturers (3700 to 3700 or PCM 2600 to PCM2800 or an combination
there of) the SCMS will be stripped an written as a 00. Neither Sony or
Panasonic Pro decks in the vintages mentioned above that I currently have or
have used in the past 9 years have the SCMS ON/Off Switches that Tascam and
some other manufactures have, which in the world of studio production, has
it's application, but in the world of home audio, is pretty much a useless
and unwanted feature. Short end of the story, if your worried about SCMS,
do one of 2 things, only buy Professional equipment or buy a SCMS stripper.
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Re: Pro decks & SCMS
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:46:59 -0800
> > 2. If I buy a "Pro" DAT deck, will I be able to record to the digital
> > in of the SB Live? In other words, will it bypass the SCMS evidently
> > written by my D8?
>
> Playing on the pro deck will still send the scms=11 written on the
> tape; however, copying to the pro deck will get you a tape with
> scms=00.
>
Logical, yes, but not true for "pro" decks made by Sony or
Panasonic. They allow you to copy the tape, but Sony will still
increment the SCMS, while Panasonic copies the SCMS as-is.
Only the Fostex, Tascam, and Otari decks will actually reset
SCMS to 00 on all digital copies.
--Gary
From: RadioPaul9@aol.com
Subject: portable power for TCD-D8
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:22:40 EST
OK so there's a power pak for the d100s...now what happened to one for
the TCD-D8? About six months before I got the unit I was seeing on compuserve
either plans to build one or someone supplying one that used D-cells....but by
the time I got the unit, he didn't answer email and no one else knew. So
sorry if
its was once an FAQ, but I've never seen the answer. Thanks
radiopaul9@aol.com
From: forsha@conknet.com
Subject: Miracle Orchestra 1/28
Reply-To: forsha@conknet.com
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:05:36 -0400
Caroline Davidson wrote:
>The Miracle Orchestra
>
>January
>22 Boston, MA Middle East w/ EB and the Kozmic Truth
>28 Newmarket, NH Stone Church, w/ flow
>29 Brattleboro, VT Common Ground,
>30 Worcester, MA Tamanny Hall, w/ Foxtrot Zulu
If anyone with some nice mics is planning to attend the Stone Church show,
please contact me. I'd like to run a board/mic matrix, but only have some
mid-level Sony omnis.
peace,
Don
From: Yalk@aol.com
Subject: Battery Pack PDF Correction
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:23:50 EST
Those pesky little dots.
The correct address for the Sony battery pack pdf is
ftp://ftp.klay.com//pdf/Sony_NPAD100K.pdf
Sorry for the error.
Regards,
Klay Anderson
klay@klay.com
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: Steven M Burtchaell <smb01@gnofn.org>
Subject: Does Panasonic 7502 do digital extraction?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:39:50 -0600 (CST)
Can you copy music digitally off audio CD's directly to the computer for
editing with the Panasonic 7502?
Would like to trancribe some jazz solos and need to slow down the speed of
the notes but not change the pitch. What's the best software with the
most flexiblity for this type editing?
Thanks for posting your set-up, rawk@rawk.com.
Very encouraging.
From: sanderso@Celestica.com
Subject: Excite.com
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:42:13 -0500
Company was bought out earlier this week...the average Excite employee has
option on 1.5 million shares!! Shares are trading at
$96.00 ....damn....I wanna work there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Joshua Whitley <jwhitley@voa.com>
Subject: cdr system check...(my yamaha cdr won't cooperate w/ win98)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:01:01 -0500
I have a ZA-2 and a Yamaha 4260RW that worked great on a 300mhz IBM,
win95....I was using CDRwin and CDwav to cut the cd's.
I have since upgraded to a 450mhz Micron, Win98, 128 megs of ram...My
machine recognizes the cdr, it reads cd's, but when I go to burn I get a
device failure error. I've re-installed the SCSI driver, and even installed
the older driver that was present on the IBM, with no luck. I haven't had
time to jump through the frustrating hoops of Yamaha tech support yet, and
I'd be interested to hear whether or not anyone else has encountered similar
difficulties. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Later, -Josh
> Several people have asked for help buying a CDr and associated
> equipment for a computer.
>
> I'm in the same position and have an idea that might provide good insight
> for newbies like myself.
>
> Here's the idea:
> If everybody that's using Cdr equipmnet would list the items they use
> such as computer type(cpu, Hd, RAM, etc.), digital soundcard, SCSI
> controller, CDr and burning software. Then make a short comment as to
> the level of their satisfaction or recommended changes.
From: Chuck Ross <ckross@enteract.com>
Subject: RE: Have an extra D7/D8 AC Adaptor?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:08:49 -0600
<<<From: Sewwhat3@aol.com
Subject: Have an extra D7/D8 AC adaptor?
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:56:09 EST
Hey digi-freaks - Does anyone have an extra AC adaptor for the Sony D7/D8?
I'm willing to pay cash or offer DATs.
If not, could someone point me where I could buy one?
Peace,
Steve>>>
Sony Parts
800-488-7669
From: Chuck Ross <ckross@enteract.com>
Subject: E-mail Adr for Dan Vincent?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:11:43 -0600
Does anyone have a good current e-mail address for Dan Vincent?
Thanks!
Chuck Ross
From: Martin Voelker <mvoelker@tufts.edu>
Subject: DAT-port as alternative to sound cards
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:25:11 -0500
if you have patience and a new laptop you can dispense with a soundcard and
use the DAT-port from Opcode. It's a box with a coax digital in and out on
the one end, and a long cable with a USB-port connector on the other that
would allow you to pipe your sound through an MD or DAT recorder into the
laptop for direct processing by your recording software.
Problem: I called Opcode yesterday (650-4292400-#1) and learned that the
product is expected to ship in March (even though http://www.sweetwater.com
allows you to order them already for 179,-)
And you would have to check with your sound software whether it is able to
address the USB port as a sound input device. I'll call Digidesign to find
out later this week.
From: "Norbert Hahn" <HAHN@hrz3.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>
Subject: SB Live, several answers
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:27:34 +0100
As I've been plagued with the SB Live too, I've begun to investigate some
of the problems that have been addressed here...
> From: "Dave Egan" <degan@seanet.com>
> Subject: RE: ooops, bought sblive can't get the digital i/o to record from Sony D8
> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:22:23 -0800
[snip]
> For your question, I'd guess that the problem is that you're selecting
> S/PDIF for playback, but not record. I don't use the controls that Creative
> supplied with the SBLive!, but I can tell you what to do using the generic
> Windows mixer.
For some time the *drivers* that came with the SB Live didn't support S/P DIF.
I had to get the version dating to Dec 1998 from SB's www-server to make DIF
i/o working. See next message:
> From: "Dave Egan" <degan@seanet.com>
> Subject: RE: Help
> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:18:40 -0800
>
> Before buying another deck or digital I/O, try this - download the latest
> drivers from the SBLive! website:
> http://support.soundblaster.com/files/download.asp?product=sblive&OS=Win95
> I had the same sort of problem with my PCM-M1 and the drivers that shipped
> with the SBLive! The driver update fixed it right away.
> From: "Craig Hoffman" <Craig.Hoffman@disney.com>
> Subject: SB Live resampling question
> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:09:07 -0800
> If I have a 48 KHz song on my Sony D8 and want to digitally transfer it to my
> SoundBlaster Live (which resamples to 48 KHz), what exactly happens?
If you transfer some kind of digital data from A to B it is required to
synchronize source and sink. There are several ways to do this. The SB Live
does it by storing the input in a buffer, interpolate and thus enable to
retrieve it with a clock that is either close to or far off (in case of 44.1 kHz
and 32 kHz) the incoming clock. Thus, a strict sync is avoided.
> How does
> the PC resample 1's and 0's at the same sampling rate and come up with
> something different? Is an analog waveform created and then resampled?
No, it is all done in the digital domain and with a high precision. After
adding output from the mixer, sound enhancer, EQ,... the high precision
result is dithered down to 16 bits. Of course, you can mute other inputs,
the sound enhancer, set the EQ to flat...
>
> How different will the resulting sound be? What sort of distortions will
> happen and how noticable will it be?
As the resampling is done with a very high precision, only the lowest order
bit is changed. Unfortunately, this hold for 48 kHz sampling rate only.
>
> I have read that it takes several generations through good D/A and A/D
> converters for sound to noticeably degenerate (although I am sure some will
> differ with this), so I am wondering if the digital resampling of the SB Live
> will really discolor the sound of my recordings.
If you have a sampling rate other than 48 kHz filtering is required to avoid
aliasing. Unfortunately, this filtering isn't perfect in the case of the SB Live.
If you have a recording that was digitized at 44.1 kHz, some alias frequencies
can become audible for high levels of frequencies above 10 kHz.
This is of little practicle relevance for "ordinary music". It can be very
annoying when you play back a sweep to check the hearing ability of your ears.
In this case a person may respond to the alias rather than to the original tone.
IMHO, the SB Live is rather clean when operated at 48 kHz sampling rate. This
requires a recording program which is capable to record at 48 kHz. If you
process the wave file with that sampling rate, i.e. with CoolEdit Pro at 32 bit
word length and use that to sample down to 44.1 kHz before burning a CD, you'll
get a nice sounding one. Analogue i/o is very good at 48 kHz sample rate and
less perfect at any other sample rate, but still better than digital i/o ;-)
when it comes to frequency response.
It seems to me that even when you use the analogue input or output at a sample
rate other than 48 kHz, the SB Live operates internally at 48 kHz and resamples
up and down as needed. The signal undergoes slightly imperfect filtering and
dithering to 16 bit.
If this is acceptable or not should be decided on a case by case basis.
Hope this helps
Norbert
From: "Norbert Hahn" <HAHN@HRZ3.HRZ.TU-Darmstadt.De>
Subject: Re: DA-30MKII (Is maintenance enough on an older deck?)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:23:42 +0100
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:38:04 -0600 John.Read@infores.com (John Read) wrote...
> Subject: DA-30MKII (Is maintenance enough on an older deck?)
Maintenance depends on the person doing the service. So there can't be a
general answer. If it is done correctly there should be a protocol on what
was actually done. Maybe you can find it on the bill. Usually the mechanics
do wear as. Less wear on the potentiometers and switches. You can check the
latter in the studio. And a switch can rot when it is not used.
OTOH, the mechanics block can be replaced as one part in case of a severe
problem. Thus you should pay a price for the used deck that isn't higher
than the price of a new one minus replacement of the mechanics.
Is this worst case?
Check the firmware revision of the deck: Play back a tape and rotate the
shuttle wheel. If the deck enters "Standby Mode" it has firmware version 1.0.
If the deck continues to play it has firmware version 1.1. If the firmware
is old it should be upgraded because there are a couple of features added
which you may need (translation of CD track change info into DAT start id).
Check if there is a remote control. There are a couple of rarely used features
which require the remote control.
> Bonus question if anyone cares to respond: Any opinions on the analog
> out's on this deck?
The A/D and the D/A are state of the art. A couple of day ago I compared the
converters of my DA-30 mkII with those of my newly acquired sound card and
found a remarkably better signal to noise ratio when using balanced cabling!
Maybe I need better RCA cables? The "noise" spectrum consisted of hum, TV line
frequency and some 22050 Hz, although the sample rate was set to 48 kHz.
Obviously it leaked in throug some cable. The balanced output was clean!!
To check for the noise, simply borrow the deck you are going to purchase
or take your recorder to the studio and check there.
My 0.02 advice
Norbert
From: Colin Liston <cliston@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
Subject: Stones
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:19:28 -0500 (EST)
Got this off a Stones list I am on if anyone is interested
Subject: Stones' rehearsals
Just spoke to a friend (who once played warm-up for Stones) who also
confirms that the band has, in fact, been rehearsing all week at the
Fillmore in San Francisco. (VH-1 for VIPs.)
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Lucid NB-24/PCI-24 and Sony Portable DATs
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:41:39 -0500 (EST)
Peter Aronson <peter.aronson@reporters.net> wrote:
> Is anyone using the Lucid NB-24 card (or PCI-24) with a portable Sony
> DAT, i.e. D-8 or D-7, connected directly via a Core Sounds cable or
> similar cable? ...
We have reports from folks using the PCI-24 that our 7-Pin-To-Coax cable
works fine.
Hope this helps.
Len Moskowitz Stealth Microphones (tm), Cables, Interfaces
Core Sound http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@panix.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: "gamehenge" <gamehenge@sirus.com>
Subject: 11/4 - 11/7 11-20-98 weed continued
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:27:22 -0400
Hey,
I have nice copies of 11-4,6,7 & 20-98 thanks to Jeff Slabaugh. I would
rather trade but a B&P is fine too. Send along your list or URL or whatever
if you can trade. Whoever gets the tapes must either offer them on the RMP
or continue the weed.
Here is the mic info:
11-4-98:AKG480B+ck63->Aerco->SBM-1->DA-P1
11-6-98:Schoeps CMC641->Luna V2->DA-P1
11-7-98:B&K 4011->Luna V2->AD1000->HHB-----PA problems
11-20-98:Schoeps CMC641->Apogee AD-1000
I also have 1 copy of 11-27-98 from an AKG C1000's->D8 onto 2x60 that are up
for B&P to the first person to respond.
Peace
Phil
gamehenge@sirus.com
From: udo@dinges.xs4all.nl (Udo van den Heuvel)
Subject: 230V Sony power supply for tcd-d100?
Date: 21 Jan 99 18:46:53 +0100
Hello All!
Does anybody know the catalog / article number for the 230V power supply (wall
wart) that comes with the (european) tcd-d100?
Greetz,
Udo
--
From: William Shaw <bshaw@skyway.com>
Subject: ISO: Garbage 1999 UK/Europe shows
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:16:19 -0800
Garbage is on tour in the UK and other European countries right now. On Jan 20th
they did a concert in London, at Wembley. Chrissy Hynde joined them on stage for
their hit "Only Happy When It Rains." Would very much like to trade for a copy
of that show, or any other shows from their current tour. Lots of 98's, and
hopefully soon some 99's, to trade.
Thanks!!
--
-Bill
p.s. Garbage setlist page -> http://www.jps.net/garbage/
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: re: SB Live (why not to use it!)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:29:46 -0800
I had written:
"> Nevertheless, the SBLive sounded darn good and I couldn't hear any
added
> hiss or artifacts- the dat master just sounded subtly better. Quite
subtle
> but nevertheless noticable. I really only concentrated on the cymbals
> since I couldn't hear much difn'ce in the vocals, sax, guitar, etc."
Kurt Responded:
"What is even important is whether or not the degradation in the
quality of the sound increases each time it passed through this
ill-designed card! Suppose it goes
DAT->SBLive->CDR->DAT->SBLive->CDR? The proliferation of soundcards
and CD burners that do not maintain the integrity of the signal is the
worst thing to happen to digital trading!"
Now that's a heinous lineage! I agree with Kurt. In my assessment I was
assuming a "best case scenario"; that is someone with a 48kHz dat master makes
a disk and I was assuming that all the subsequent copies of that disk would be
made using a "true" digital card. Unfortunately anytime the SBLive is used it
further screws up/degrades the gene pool. And while I mostly concentrated on
the cymbals, I probably could have heard difnces in other parts had I taken more
time(my ears can only take so much). In summary from an audio purist's point of
view all the SBLive does is mess up the gene pool (thus affecting/changing the
sound).......Pete
From: "Brian Krahmer" <brian@krahmer.com>
Subject: Re: R U Going CD I need dats!!
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:42:44 -0700
> If anyone out there is converting their dats to cd's I would like to
purchase
> your dats that you have recorded (for the price of blanks) or trade for
cd's.
This isn't a personal response to Mike, just a general comment: I have
been burning alot of cds, but I would never get rid of my original dats.
What happens if you scratch your cd, and it starts skipping? What if
someone breaks into your car and steals your head unit with your favorite
Dead disc still in it? What about the potential of a better medium to
convert to in the future, such as DVDAudio, which may allow you to record a
whole DAT onto a disc without cuts? I'm sure there are many other reasons
not to dump your DATs as well. Anyone disagree??
brian
--
Brian Krahmer - brian@krahmer.com - http://www.krahmer.com
Expert 3.0 - Intelligent Network Security - http://www.L-3Security.com
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Neumann TLM103 or Josephson Series 6 to record concerts-comments?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:42:59 -0800
Anyone want to trade? Thanks, Pete
From: David Gutelius <gutelius@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Subject: KAO 60m GOLDS for sale (fwd)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:56:09 -0500
Dear fellow dat-heads,
Thank you for your generous replies to my recent posting of tapes for
sale. The KAO's have been sold.
All Best,
David P. Gutelius
Department of History
Johns Hopkins University
========== Forwarded message ==========
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:10:54 -0500
From: David Gutelius <gutelius@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
To: dat-heads@fedney.near.net
Subject: KAO 60m GOLDS for sale
Greetings fellow DAT-heads,
I have 30 unused, still-shrink-wrapped Dats: KAO Gold, 60m.
I paid 4 bucks each. You can have them for $3 per tape, inclusive of
shipping costs.
David P. Gutelius
Department of History
Johns Hopkins University
gute@jhu.edu
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