DAT-Heads Digest #722
Contents:
Suggestions for a small portable (Joseph A Najera)
dizzy (Jazdout@aol.com)
Compression while mastering... (Mike Lieman)
desperately seeking Liquid Tension Experment shows ("" )
ISO: Patti Smith (Amjad)
Opcode's DATport is being shipped next week! (GuySonic@aol.com)
RE: SBM1 on Lithium Batteries (Joshua Provost)
DA-20mkII question (forsha@conknet.com)
re: scms strip w/id's (hg_luetke_up@muenster.netsurf.de)
Oh shit....... ("jesse volner")
wanted: DATs of Hellborg, Lane and Apt Q-258 (MrBERWELL@aol.com)
Re: security (MrBERWELL@aol.com)
[Fwd: Re: A few equipment questions] (Gordon Gidluck)
RE: Do I really need a digital in? (Gordon Gidluck)
[Fwd: Re: CD mastering (from DAT)] (Gordon Gidluck)
RE: : CDR-heads & sample rate (Gordon Gidluck)
From: Joseph A Najera <dmbandfan1@juno.com>
Subject: Suggestions for a small portable
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 01:37:39 -0800
Howdy. :)
I've got a DA-P1 and a set of AKG C3000s....
I'd like to get a smaller portable deck. The two main reasons for this
are:
a) Smaller = less to carry, can put it in my backpack, etc.
b) possible stealth or unobtrusive operation.
I've considered the D8, the D100, and the M1. The price range of these
decks is all I'd be able to afford. I'll also be buying a phantom supply
for my mics, and I'll probably run line-in on the deck. For stealth, I'll
buy a set of CS or SP or similar mics.
Are there any other decks that I should consider?
I like the fact that the M1 is SCMS free and smaller than the D8, but I'm
concerned about having to sneak in a battery pack.
How useful is the in-line levels control on the D100? I figure it'd be
REAL helpful for stealth opperations...
Thanks for any responses... :)
When I finally get another deck, I'll offer up some B&P as bw-tax.
Take care.
Joe
Joe Najera ================================
dmbandfan1@juno.com, jnajera@unexmail.ucdavis.edu, JANajera@aol.com
DATlist- http://unexgal16.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/joe/datlist.html
___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
From: Jazdout@aol.com
Subject: dizzy
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 06:19:50 EST
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Square/2073/index.html">More
than Dizzy</a>
A nice site i developed about Dizzy Gillespie...Enjoy
From: Mike Lieman <mikelieman@albany.net>
Subject: Compression while mastering...
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:10:34 -0500
>From: willard robinson <willr@star.net>
>Subject: CD mastering (from DAT)
>Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:13:26 -0500
>
>
>I was wondering if any 'gurus' out there can give me any advice as to
>managing dynamic range when moving from Dat>cd - usually, after doing some
>EQing I just run it through the Waves UltraMaximizer (16 bit cd final
>mastering
>settings), however I believe that more compression needs to take place in
>order to enjoy some of the softer spots in the music during normal listening
>conditions.
(I CAN'T HELP MYSELF!!!!)
Danger! Danger, Will Robinson!
Compression kills. IMNSHO, the whole point of using digital equipment,
(and I won't deny that mediocre DAT gear will usually outperform mediocre
Analog gear...) is that extended dynamic range.
Is this a PA you taped? or a direct recording of something live?
If it's a PA you've taped, you certainly should not need any *more*
compression (again, IMNSHO, there are too many "producers" saying "hey, if
you shear of the peaks, (well, not in *those* words...) it'll "punch
through" more on the car radio" and wussy engineers just crank up the
ratio. Then these losers go out on the road, and immediately "figure out"
how to make the pa "Louder", too.
If it's something live, you *may* need some compression, but why "corrupt
the bitstream" (isn't the point of DAT/cloning exact duplicates?).
Get a used analog compressor, and insert it into your playback chain at
home. That way, you can then adjust the dynamics to your personal
preference and if you think that you need more compression, go ahead, and
crank up the ratio all you want, you'll still be able to trade pristine
duplicates of the master.
DISCLOSURE: I mastering to analog cassette with DBX. When I get home,
usually EQ, then have to run a little expansion (Pioneer RG-9, remember
them?) to correct the bonehead FOH engineers trashing of the original
dynamics. (yeah, I'm sensitive to this topic...)
You could also just crank up the stereo.
peace
Mike
========================================================================
- I Miss Jerry -|- TECHNOLOGY: No Place for Wimps! -
========================================================================
- <mailto:mikelieman@albany.net> <http://www.albany.net/~msl> -
========================================================================
- PGP Fingerprint: C43E 7FAB E5C6 873F 8531 8B24 DC98 0BC9 63F5 4005 -
- (c) 1998 Mike Lieman "For Non-Commercial, Home-Use Only" -
========================================================================
From: <gboss>
Subject: desperately seeking Liquid Tension Experment shows
Reply-To: gboss@voicenet.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:18:48 -0500
I was taping the philly show (1/22) with borrowed CS HEB's (I love those
f'n mics!!!) and I forgot to use the hold button on my deck and as a
result, I only have the first 16 mins recorded. I need the whole show
and I would also like a copy of the show the night before on 1/21 in new
york. Can anyone please help me out? I have tons to trade.
--
"Know that your place in life
Is where you want to be
Don't let them tell you that
You owe it all to me"
-N. Peart
http://www.voicenet.com/~gboss/
From: Amjad <amjad@glasscity.net>
Subject: ISO: Patti Smith
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:33:09 -0500
ISO: Patti Smith at The Bowery Ballroom - NYC
December 30 & 31, 1998
Also if you have opening sets by Tom Verlaine.
Have much to trade of Patti and others. Contact me
privately if you have the above shows and I can e-mail you
my list.
Thank you in advance for you help.
From: GuySonic@aol.com
Subject: Opcode's DATport is being shipped next week!
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:55:57 EST
I'm being sent by FedEx overnight the Opcode DA-Port for delivery here
tomorrow to do an evaluation with a WIN98 system running on a Trek laptop. If
this system works well on this squirmy operating system, it should prove very
stable for Mac OS with USB audio support as well. The DATport is being
released to be shipped out this Wensday to the distributors who now have quite
a waiting list of customers ready to take delivery. I'll post my findings
here
and on my web site for those who are considering this unit as a way to get
digital audio in/out of USB equipped systems.
I just finished a preliminary report on the Canopus DA-Port USB unit
(available
only in Japan at this time) with dual optical in/out and stereo audio output
that does a lot more (like .mp? realtime conversion to disc, audio output,
.mp?
to .wav conversions, etc ) and acts like a second sound card to the system
using the USB port.
Unfortunately, Canopus has yet to qualify this product for import here (FCC
regulations, etc) and has opted to wait (so far) for the Microsoft patch due
in
February to fix input direction USB audio data glitches prevalent in virtually
all versions of the USB WIN98 driver software.
Opcode has not waited for Microsoft support and has addressed the lack of
WIN98
USB audio support by designing the necessary software fixes themselves. They
now report a very solid and rock steady digital audio performance on virtually
all WIN98 systems. NO MORE Glitches with incoming digital USB ported audio!
Mac support for all these USB audio devices is being supported by Apple, but
as
far as I know, it's just very close to being released for the Macs but not
available as yet for supporting either of these products. I'll double check
with both companies for sure about this (Mac support) as I have a direct line
to both companies development groups.
I talked to one of the Opcode development engineers today and heard that a
second DATport product is coming out in a few months with a Crystal Semi 20
bit A/D line level audio input port for direct conversion of analog. This
sounds very nifty to me and will test this device (hopefully) next month at
the
latest.
My web site will have the report on the Canopus audio USB device with images
of
hardware and screen device skins this week for those interested.
In short, USB digital audio has finally arrived!
Best Regards in Sound & Music, Leonard Lombardo
Sonic Studios(tm) "Making Audio History With DSM(tm) Microphones"
Ph.541-459-8839 USA Free:1-888-875-4976 WEB: www.sonicstudios.com
"A bit of knowledge coupled to a great deal of wisdom serves us best"
From: Joshua Provost <jprovost@starla.org>
Subject: RE: SBM1 on Lithium Batteries
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:09:29 -0700
<< Anyone know how to get more than 2 hours out of an sbm1 w.out going to
an external power-supply - is 2 hours a good measure for regular alkaline
batteries? How about litiums in there? Anyone? >>
I am sure Lithiums would do the trick. However, in my experience, and
without exception, I get > 4 hours on a pair of Energizer or Duracell
Ultra's. In fact, I taped two sets Wednesday night, came home, forgot to
plug in the deck, and cloned three 60meter tapes before the batteries ran
out. Very interesting.
Joshua Provost
jprovost@starla.org
http://www.starla.org/trade.txt
From: forsha@conknet.com
Subject: DA-20mkII question
Reply-To: forsha@conknet.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:43:22 -0400
I know there's a way to check the error rate and head hours on the
DA-20mkII. Could someone pass it along, or point me to a URL of Tascam
tips?
much appreciation,
Don
From: hg_luetke_up@muenster.netsurf.de
Subject: re: scms strip w/id's
Date: 23 Jan 1999 09:43:48 +0100
Hi Brian!
Have a look at the Hucht units. There are different modells
available, but all are transparent for the CD/DAT/DCC/MD
subcode.
Hans-Guenter
From: "jesse volner" <mentholiptus@hotmail.com>
Subject: Oh shit.......
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:10:11 PST
I deleted the e-mail we all got from that soundguy with all the tips
on what to bring, how to act, ect.....
If anyone still has this, could you please forward this to me?
Me being a newbie and all, I don't want to mess anything up for you pros
when were all at the show, ya know. :)
thanks,
jesse
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
From: MrBERWELL@aol.com
Subject: wanted: DATs of Hellborg, Lane and Apt Q-258
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:27:41 EST
Subject says it all, I have mucho to trade, including some on CDr.
-Jody
From: MrBERWELL@aol.com
Subject: Re: security
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:33:36 EST
> From: "jesse volner" <mentholiptus@hotmail.com>
> Subject: security check at door?
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:30:28 PST
>
>
>
> Has anyone ever been searched with metal detectors at the door of a
> show? You know, the wand ones they use at schools to check for guns.
>
Yes. Back in the days when I saw the kinds of bands that warrant such
security. It stopped me from bringing my deck into a Living Colour concert!
From: Gordon Gidluck <ggidluck@artelco.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: A few equipment questions]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:42:31 -0800
Message-ID: <36AA098C.60FB@artelco.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:40:28 -0800
From: Gordon Gidluck <ggidluck@artelco.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Mowen5@concentric.net
Subject: RE: A few equipment questions
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> From: Matto <Mowen5@concentric.net>
> Subject: A few equipment questions
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 99 20:27:33 -0400
<snip>
> -Let's say that I wanted to take my old analog tapes and reels and
> transfer them over to DAT or CD. Is there such a product that will
> convert analog signal to digital signal? What about records to DAT/CD?
You can use a standalone CD recorder, or use a computer equipped with a
CD writer (CDR). If you go the computer route, you need a good a
soundcard, some software for recording and for burning CD's, and a CDR
unit.
> -When a band records an album, it needs to be mastered before it is
> reproduced. What gear/equipment is necessary for this? Also what does
> this process involve?
>
Mastering prepares the product for final release. This involves peak
limiting, compression, and eq treatments. As well tracks are placed in
the desired ordered, and edited for proper spacing with fadeouts and
fadeins if needed. Historically this has been done on highly calibrated
precision analog equipment. It requires flat sounding monitors,
transparent compressors and parametric equalizers.
You can do most everthing required for mastering on a computer nowadays.
But it still requires a good bit of experience and listening skills. If
you want to do any serious mastering on a computer I would recommend
24-bit floating point software like Red-Roaster or Samplitude 2496.
Gordon Gidluck
From: Gordon Gidluck <ggidluck@artelco.com>
Subject: RE: Do I really need a digital in?
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:02:16 -0800
>
> From: Dean <dean@deanos.net>
> Subject: Do I really need a digital in?
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:37:21 -0800
>
<snip>
>
> Aside from the fact most won't want to trade with me if they know I'm not
> using a digital-in soundcard, any other reasons why I would find the need
> to break out the cash for the "digi-in" soundcard?
With a digital I/O card you can make true clones that are SCMS free.
That is a feature that most traders want. When you resample back to DAT
through the analog inputs, your deck, if it has a standard SCMS
implementation, would put SCMS "11" on the tape (meaning SCMS on, 1
digital generation allowed.) If you have a pro-deck, this may not be an
issue, but you still have the extra analog conversion.
With digital I/O to and from your computer, SCMS can be off, and you get
a true clone.
Gordon Gidluck
From: Gordon Gidluck <ggidluck@artelco.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: CD mastering (from DAT)]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:35:53 -0800
Message-ID: <36AA163F.108E@artelco.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:34:39 -0800
From: Gordon Gidluck <ggidluck@artelco.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: willr@star.net
Subject: RE: CD mastering (from DAT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> From: willard robinson <willr@star.net>
> Subject: CD mastering (from DAT)
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:13:26 -0500
>
>
>
> I was wondering if any 'gurus' out there can give me any advice as to
> managing dynamic range when moving from Dat>cd - usually, after doing some
> EQing I just run it through the Waves UltraMaximizer (16 bit cd final
> mastering
> settings), however I believe that more compression needs to take place in
> order to enjoy some of the softer spots in the music during normal listening
> conditions.
>
> Any clues?
>
> tc
> Will
I don't know about the guru part, but here's some advice anyway...
You can apply sparing compression, the raise the overall level of the
whole thing, and then recompress. Do this over a few times until the
silent sections become more audible. Take care not to kill the dynamic
range of the peaks too much by overcompressing. Careful.
This way, the overall (avg) level should come up. BTW, keep safety
copies while you are working on it. If you raise the level too much, you
may get digital "overs". Careful with that too! Don't normalize until
the very last to leave yourself some headroom.
You can alternatively raise the level of the quiet sections, but that
would require a lot more editing and time to go through the whole tape.
It's easier to let the computer process it in the way described above.
Gordon
From: Gordon Gidluck <ggidluck@artelco.com>
Subject: RE: : CDR-heads & sample rate
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:54:42 -0800
> From: Bayard <walden@eclipse.net>
> Subject: CDR-heads?
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:13:33 -0500 (EST)
<snip>
> I made a CDR for a friend of mine (hey geppie) and it plays fast. I used
> my d7 and the ZA2 with sound forge XP. Could the sample rate be a little
> bit screwed?
>
You need to sample rate convert. Since you have a ZA2, you could load
the 48244.SIM operating system and record the wav file at 44.1Khz. I am
assuming that the source is 48Khz.
Optionally, the same thing can be done with software. Record the WAV
file at the same rate on the PC as the source DAT. Then use Soundforge
XP to sample rate convert the file.
Gordon Gidluck
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to
dat-heads-request@fedney.near.net with the word unsubscribe on
a line all by itself. If your email address has changed, you may
(optionally) specify 'unsubscribe oldaddress@olddomain' on a line
by itself -- an example is "unsubscribe liam@mit.edu." Problems or
questions about a subscription should be addressed first to dat
-heads-request@fedney.near.net, and then if needed postmaster@fedney.near.net,
never the list itself.
You can submit a message for inclusion in the next digest via this address:
Internet: dat-heads@fedney.near.net
Archives of DAT-Heads digests and related files are available on
the DAT-Heads home page:
http://www.eklektix.com/dat-heads/
End of DAT-Heads Digest
******************************