DAT-Heads Digest #725
Contents:
ISO Warren Haynes @ Wetlands 1-22-99 ("vito")
WTB: SCMS stripper ("" )
extra DAT for B&P (JBaad@aol.com)
Re. Illegal Bootlegs F/S on Ebay ("Barrett B. Gregory")
NiMh rechargeables (randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU)
re: Which one to get ("Ross Warren, Jr.")
extra JGB 8-24-91 (on CDr) (Eric Reichenbach)
Re: security check at door? (GotTapes@aol.com)
Re: WHY CAN'T I USE 90M BLANK DAT TAPES??? (Andrew Gustin)
M1 Lithium batteries ("John Q.")
DATS>MAC ("Gary Davis")
Sony Transports ("Gary Davis")
unsubscribe (JIM BROCHIN)
shows wanted (les gordon)
subscribe ("John")
Source for "Dummy" Batteries? (Kurt Vogel)
RE: WHY CAN'T I USE 90M BLANK DAT TAPES??? (Chuck Ross)
(Adam Aronson)
RE: portable power for TCD-D8 (Chuck Ross)
re: shelf life of DATs (and what happens when they die?) ("Ross Warren, Jr.")
SBM-1 Advice ("gallobass")
RE: shelf life of DATs ("Barnett Helzberg")
ISO: Any GD on DAT (newbie request) (KAZDEYNA@aol.com)
ISO: Remy Zero shows ("Brian Anthony Jurusik")
From: "vito" <vito@access1.net>
Subject: ISO Warren Haynes @ Wetlands 1-22-99
Reply-To: "vito" <vito@access1.net>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:13:30 -0800
Did anyone one get a chance to tape Warren at the Wetlands. I saw it listed
on their WEB site, so thought I would ask.
Vito
"If you get confused listen to the music play"
(Hunter/Garcia/Kreutzmann)
From: <gboss>
Subject: WTB: SCMS stripper
Reply-To: gboss@voicenet.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:24:14 -0500
Does anyone have one for sale for a reasonable price? Thanks.
--
"Know that your place in life
Is where you want to be
Don't let them tell you that
You owe it all to me"
-N. Peart
http://www.voicenet.com/~gboss/
From: JBaad@aol.com
Subject: extra DAT for B&P
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:53:30 EST
I have the following extra DAT. I'll take new KOA, Sony, Maxell or MasterDat
for them.
8/26/71 Allman Brothers 60 meter SBD
8/21/98 Allmna Brother 90 meter Schoeps
2/5/93 Ritz Power Jam 2 60 meter DSBD
2/27/98 Gov't Mule 90 meter Gefell's M210
5/23/98 Gov't Mule 90 meter Nak 100
9/12/98 Gov't Mule 90 meter Gefell's M210
9/17/98 Gov't Mule 60 meter Neumann U41's
9/28/98 Gov't Mule 2 60 meter Gefell's M210
Email me for more info if your interested.
From: "Barrett B. Gregory" <bookem@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re. Illegal Bootlegs F/S on Ebay
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:00:21 -0800
Just my 02c...but I make a living selling rare books and first editions
on eBay...so am pretty familiar with it and it's modus operendi...A
quick way to kill the illegal users is by posting negative feedback
under theiir screenname...3 of these and one is permanently "kicked off"
eBay...follow this up with directly contacting Ebay support
staff....have seen many folks kicked off due to illegal sale of
software, etc., so don't see why this wouldn't work for bootlegs...I was
taping Day By the River yesterday, and this guy asked me if I was going
to put the CD i burn of the show F/S on eBay...I couldn't believe
it...Let's keep taping, trading and eBay clean by kicking these idiots
butts off of eBay...not to mention the integrity of our trading
community!!!
Bebe
From: randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU
Subject: NiMh rechargeables
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:06:22 -0800 (PST)
earlier today, david wrote:
> To get the maximum recording time on the rechargables, make sure you
> charge them at least six hours and discharge them completely
> (by playing tapes until the batts wear out).
in my experience using these batteries to run my SBM1 over the past
year or two (search the digests for previous posts about battery life)
the comment about needing to discharge them completely is false.
perhaps this is/was an issue with NiCd rechargeables instead.
> The Ni-Mh rechargable batteries need to be fully
> charged and discharged about 2-3 times before they'll hold a full charge.
> If you don't do that, you'll be disappointed with the recording time.
i agree that the batteries need to be "conditioned" when first purchased
(although i don't understand why this couldn't be done by the manufacturer).
From: "Ross Warren, Jr." <rwarren@i-america.net>
Subject: re: Which one to get
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:18:36 -0500
Hey Joe,
I've got both a D-7 and a D-100. I had to break down and
get the D100 when the D-7 was being repaired (replacement
parts from Sony took 3 months!). I run a set of AKG-391
(393) mics....sometimes as stealth using active cables and
B-18 power supplies....to be honest, it's a royal
pain....so for bar shows and the like, a set of CSB's or
HEB's or whatever might be the easier choice.
Anyway, I'd recommend the D-100 or in your case, the M1
(same deck but w/o SCMS).
Just plan on using two sets of AA batteries for a long
show....most all shows do have a break, where you can run
to the bathroom and switch out a set. Since you won't be
giving a line out, a fresh set should last around 2 hours
or thereabouts. Just don't over use the light (hey, it's
easier to get caught stealthing if you do.)
Whatever you do, don't rely on the rechargeable
Nickel-metal Hydride batteries...they are very
finicky...you never really know how much of a charge they
have on them...sometimes you might get a full 2 hours,
other times less than 15 minutes....I've had my ass saved
more than once by having kept a spare set of AA alkalines
on me or scoring some from a stranger than just happened to
have some in their car...
Plus overall, the D100 (M1) has a quieter preamp than the
D-7(D-8) did. And when your deck needs servicing (they all
will, its just a matter of time) hopefully getting spare
parts on a newer designed deck will be easier than on a
discontinued model like the D-8....it might not be
"discontinued", but it's definitely on it's last legs as a
production model...
Peace and good luck,
Ross
rwarren@i-america.net
infinite diversity, infinite combinations
From: Halfstep-2@webtv.net (Eric Reichenbach)
Subject: extra JGB 8-24-91 (on CDr)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:44:28 -0500 (EST)
No one interested? I received zero responses to my first posting.
===================================
I spun off an extra copy of the this show. (sbd -> dat) It is on
two Maxells.
Idealy I am looking for any Jewel shows or Pink Floyd 7-17-94 Giants
Stadium (off the bottleg CD.)
Of couse I am always interested in Dead and JGB. I can always be tempted
be other material as well.
Thank you,
ERIC
From: GotTapes@aol.com
Subject: Re: security check at door?
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:48:04 EST
Yup, not a problem, don't worry about em, just wear a metal belt buckle :)
Peace,
~D
> From: "jesse volner" <mentholiptus@hotmail.com>
> Subject: security check at door?
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:30:28 PST
>
> Has anyone ever been searched with metal detectors at the door of a
> show? You know, the wand ones they use at schools to check for guns.
>
From: Andrew Gustin <gustin@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Re: WHY CAN'T I USE 90M BLANK DAT TAPES???
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:34:54 -0800
Tom, it varies by the deck. The issue is the thickness of the tape--the
longer tapes are thinner, presumably to fit more tape material into the DAT
shell. As a result, some decks are prone to wear out faster with the
thinner tape. Some do not even accept these tapes. Some, on the other hand,
do accept them and use them fine despite warnings in the manual. Even some
"better"/more expensive decks do not accept them, wheras chaper ones do,
e.g. Tascam DA 30 vs DA 20.
Yes, it is inconvenient to split 2.5 hour Dead shows onto two tapes, but
not as inconvenient as serious transport problems in the middle of a big
trade.
Perhaps others can fill in for me where my technical expertise falls short.
Also, I believe there is a very useful section on this at the DAT-Heads
FAQ, available via the DAT-Heads web site.
Andy
>
>Hello fellow dat-heads,
>
>i am a newbie to dat recording.Can anyone tell me WHY it is bad for all
>DAT machines to use 90m blank dats for recording and playing???
>
>is it bad for all DAT machines to play or record on 90m tapes??? It is
>a warning in my users manual...they says it can hurt the dat recorder
>(in my case;Sony portable D8) IS THIS SPECIFIC FOR MY DAT MACHINE OR
>DOES IT APPLY FOR ALMOST ALL DAT MACHINES???
>
>i think it will be much more convenient for me to have concerts
>lasting over 125 min. on 90m dats than to split them up on one part
>one(60m blanks)and another 60m for part two of the concert.In other
>words,i will prefer to have the entire show on ONE 90m instead of TWO
>60 meter tapes.
>
>Please give me any advice regarding this problem....
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Tom
From: "John Q." <zephead1@mindspring.com>
Subject: M1 Lithium batteries
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:12:03 -0500
Someone wrote:
<< Anyone know how to get more than 2 hours out of an sbm1 w.out going to
an external power-supply - is 2 hours a good measure for regular alkaline
batteries? How about litiums in there? Anyone? >>
Someone responded:
<<I am sure Lithiums would do the trick. However, in my experience, and
without exception, I get > 4 hours on a pair of Energizer or Duracell
Ultra's. In fact, I taped two sets Wednesday night, came home, forgot to
plug in the deck, and cloned three 60meter tapes before the batteries ran
out. Very interesting.>>
My results have varied also. My first set of Lith Batteries got me through
two Page/Plant shows (about 4 hrs) and then played tapes for about one week
after that!! The second set of Lith batteries lasted for two more two hour
shows, but during the last few songs of the second show, the battery
indicator was flashing, as they were just about dead. Just today, I taped
a friends band and experimented with regular, everyday AA batteries, and I
swear those suckers didn't even last two hours!!!
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: DATS>MAC
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:31:00 -0800
If you don't have a digital soundcard yet, consider getting a stand-
alone audio CD recorder with a good sample rate converter ($554-
$1094). For straight-forward CDs, just make them on the stand-
alone. But if you want to load music into your computer for editing,
just burn a CD first (you can use an erasable disc now for this part
of the process), and then use "audio extraction" to read the disc
into your Mac with the same CDR drive you bought for writing CDs.
This way, you don't need a special digital soundcard at all.
Of course this works on the PC too, but with digital soundcard
prices still quite high for the Mac, it's even more desirable over
there.
--Gary
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Sony Transports
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:34:14 -0800
> (AFAIK, the R500 has the same mechanism as the R300,
Definately not true, the R500 has a 4-motor direct drive transport,
and the R300 doesn't.
--Gary
From: JIM BROCHIN <jbrochin@snet.net>
Subject: unsubscribe
Reply-To: jbrochin@snet.net
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:28:04 -0500
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From: les gordon <lesg@microserve.net>
Subject: shows wanted
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:41:23 -0500 (EST)
hello all, i'm looking for the following page/plant shows if you can help
i'd really appreciate it,
9/5/98, 9/7/98, & 6/12/98
email me and hopefully we can set up a trade. thanks as always les.
From: "John" <johnshields@milehigh.net>
Subject: subscribe
Reply-To: <johnshields@milehigh.net>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:43:34 -0700
subscribe
From: Kurt Vogel <kwv@chem.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Source for "Dummy" Batteries?
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:45:06 -0800 (PST)
I've just rigged up an external rechargable battery system for my D100
using a Radio Shack 2-D cell battery holder and a pair of "Hi
Capacity" NiCd rechargables (these things are rated 4500 mAh so I
should get around 10 hours record time, I hope-- testing that now!) I
want to power through the battery compartment because: a) I want the
deck's battery level meter to function and b) I dont want another
external connector going into my deck where it can get knocked out
easily.
I rigged up two "dummy" batteries I fashioned out of wooden dowels and
some strips of metal to make contact with the terminals, and modified
my battery-compartment door to allow a wire to pass through. These
home-brew dummy batteries are sub-obtimal in design, and so I am
wondering if anyone knows a source for "real" dummy batteries (if such
things exist), or if anyone else has done what I am trying to do and
has figured out a good solution for this problem.
With the charger, batteries, and battery holder, this system runs
about $35 and is stealthy, and regular D size alkalines could be used
if necessary.
Thanks for any help!
Kurt
From: Chuck Ross <ckross@enteract.com>
Subject: RE: WHY CAN'T I USE 90M BLANK DAT TAPES???
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:43:32 -0600
>From: "Tom Bjelland" <bloodfiends@hotmail.com>
>Subject: WHY CAN'T I USE 90M BLANK DAT TAPES???
>Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:27:22 PST
>
>
>
>Hello fellow dat-heads,
>
>i am a newbie to dat recording.Can anyone tell me WHY it is bad for all
>DAT machines to use 90m blank dats for recording and playing???
>
>is it bad for all DAT machines to play or record on 90m tapes??? It is
>a warning in my users manual...they says it can hurt the dat recorder
>(in my case;Sony portable D8) IS THIS SPECIFIC FOR MY DAT MACHINE OR
>DOES IT APPLY FOR ALMOST ALL DAT MACHINES???
>
>i think it will be much more convenient for me to have concerts
>lasting over 125 min. on 90m dats than to split them up on one part
>one(60m blanks)and another 60m for part two of the concert.In other
>words,i will prefer to have the entire show on ONE 90m instead of TWO
>60 meter tapes.
>
>Please give me any advice regarding this problem....
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Tom
Most DAT machine mfgrs advise against it because their machine's motors
are not heavy-duty enough to pull the extra length of tape reliably, but
I've been using 90meter DDS tapes with my D-7 for a couple of years with
not a single problem. Another caveat, the 90meter tapes are thinner than
the 60 meters tapes, but this hasn't affected my use of them either.
I know that I may be living on borrowed time, but to me, it's definitely
a whole lot easier to record longer-than-2-hour programs on 90 meter
tapes than to split them up.
Chuck
From: Adam Aronson <adam@aronson.net>
Subject:
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:47:59 -0500
>
C'mon now... isn't this avoidable?
Adam
From: Chuck Ross <ckross@enteract.com>
Subject: RE: portable power for TCD-D8
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:53:02 -0600
From: RadioPaul9@aol.com
Subject: portable power for TCD-D8
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:22:40 EST
OK so there's a power pak for the d100s...now what happened to one for
the TCD-D8? About six months before I got the unit I was seeing on compuserve
either plans to build one or someone supplying one that used D-cells....but by
the time I got the unit, he didn't answer email and no one else knew. So
sorry if
its was once an FAQ, but I've never seen the answer. Thanks
radiopaul9@aol.com
====================================
A battery pack for the D7/D8 is child's play. Go to your nearest
Radio Shack and pick up a 4 D-Cell battery pack for around $10. Then, call
Sony Parts 800-488-7669, and get a Cable cord ($1.65) part# J-2501-034-A.
Solder the cable cord to the supplied and soldered wires that the battery
pack comes with, and you are in business. I carry mine in a heavy zip-lock
plastic bag. It will power the d7/d8 for a long, long time. Total cost,
with 4 D-Cells, around $15.
Visit my Digital Photo web page
http://www.enteract.com/~ckross/
From: "Ross Warren, Jr." <rwarren@i-america.net>
Subject: re: shelf life of DATs (and what happens when they die?)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:29:12 -0500
Andrew,
You are correct....after somewhere around 5 years,
depending on the environment they've been stored in, DAT's
will develop errors/dropouts. Remember DAT, while digital,
has the data stored on a metal layer bound to a plastic
tape. This is a chemical "mix", and as such it will
deteriorate over time, thus causing errors.
Best way to back up a DAT is to either clone it to a
fresher tape, back it up to a CD-R or even better trade it
with several people so that it becomes "public" property,
so if your tapes die, then "someone" out there will likely
have a playable, recoverable, copy.
That's why the last laugh may be on all these
"show-hoarders" out there that won't trade with other
folks...unless they are backing up their tapes religiously,
eventually their prized shows will be useless pieces of
crap.
Peace,
Ross
rwarren@i-america.net
infinite diversity, infinite combinations
From: "gallobass" <gallobass@mindspring.com>
Subject: SBM-1 Advice
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:05:27 -0500
If anyone has any experience using the SBM and wouldn't mind sharing a
little info about its use I'd appreciate you emailing me.
Thanks,
Mike Gallimore
gallobass@mindspring.com
From: "Barnett Helzberg" <bhelzber@umich.edu>
Subject: RE: shelf life of DATs
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:31:56 -0800
> First, just how short is the shelf life--5 years? Second, what happens
> after the 5 or however many years? Do the tapes just develop
> errors/dropouts? Do they literally fall apart or get stuck in decks?
> What I can I expect?
The conventional wisdom says 5 years but many folks have tapes that have
outlived that benchmark. I backup the tapes I really care about to new DATs
every 3-4 years. Some of my audio grade DATs (6 yrs old) have started to get
small "pops" every 20 or 30 seconds. They don't seem to cause head clogs or
tape jams, but then again, I don't listen to them very much because of the
"pops".
You could backup to CDR, but even that life span has recently been called
into question (25 yrs? 10 yrs?).
One question I have is what do I do with the old tapes? Throw them away?
Even if they have no errors, trading for B&P seems like I'd ripping someone
off (getting a new tape for an old, used one). I've successfully recorded
over some of the bad old tapes, but I'm sure the life span won't be another
5 years.
What's everyone doing with their old tapes?
Barnett
From: KAZDEYNA@aol.com
Subject: ISO: Any GD on DAT (newbie request)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:47:20 EST
Hey Guys,
If anybody has some high quality Grateful Dead (any shows) on DAT to pass
along; extras, is liquidating, or even would like to clone a few, I would very
much appreciate it. I am a DAT newbie, unidecker, and am looking for any good
'ole GD on DAT. I have Maxell HS-4 90m and Sony 90m blanks on hand as well as
KAO Gold 60m, and can send out b/p's asap.
Thanks for the time.
Peace,
Kaz
Kazdeyna@aol.com
From: "Brian Anthony Jurusik" <bjurusik@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: ISO: Remy Zero shows
Reply-To: "Brian Anthony Jurusik" <bjurusik@stny.lrun.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:54:42 -0500
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