DAT-Heads Digest #739
Contents:
ISO: Mickey Hart 7/21/98 (Jordan Mayhew)
Uni ISO help (Todd Podell)
DAT repairs in NYC ("trevor gobi")
ISO Strangefolk 9/5/98 Eden DSBD's ("Ken Bodek")
ISO BB King ("Richard Orintas, Jr.")
ISO: AKG c391 users (Delano)
The Father Of Digital Recording... CLAY? (ElTortuga4@aol.com)
I know I'm a gonna get flamed for this (Sound professionals (willard robinson)
The RIAA Are not our friends and DAT-HEAD FOOLS! (RBERG51@aol.com)
Re: LP on my D8 ok?or not? (Seth Breidbart)
Re: bootlegs and ebay (Seth Breidbart)
Re: Soundcard Advice (Seth Breidbart)
Re: Recommendations from people passionate about music... (swsmith@ix.netcom.com)
re:bootlegs on ebay (d & d)
on-stage micing (d & d)
Tascam DA-40 (Michael Hackett)
Re: Opcode's Dat port ...& Ebay + RIAA emails ("Alfredo")
OE Fall Update ("John Cocci")
ISO: patch for Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds @ Beacon Theatre NYC (Paul Cho)
Re: need advice on CD-R setup (survey, pls. respond) ("David D. Rogers")
Re: trading in a CDR age... ("David D. Rogers")
Re: bootlegs and ebay ("David D. Rogers")
Re: bootlegs and Ebay ("Damon L. Ritter")
From: Jordan Mayhew <jmayhew@cloud9.net>
Subject: ISO: Mickey Hart 7/21/98
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:53:02 -0500
Does anyone have this show on dat for trade?
From: Todd Podell <tcp@optonline.net>
Subject: Uni ISO help
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:46:07 -0800
Hey folks,
I have been having a difficult time finding people to spin D->D for
me lately, I was wondering if anyone would mind lending me a hand, I'm
looking for mostly Dead, phish, SCI, Ominous seapods, Zappa, but am
open
to just about anything. I will offer the tapes up D>A to other lists I
am on. Thanks for any help:)
Peace,
Todd
From: "trevor gobi" <kundalinikid@hotmail.com>
Subject: DAT repairs in NYC
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:06:55 PST
it seems that my DTC-75ES is in need of repair: after placing a tape in,
the process of closing no longer seems to stop... the tape advance pins
keep spinning, but the tape wheels don't move and the dispay keeps
flashing "close." to remove the tape, i need to turn the unit off,
remove the top covering, and manually advance the gear to open the door
and release the tape. needless to say, this is something that i would
like to get fixed. can anyone recommend a shop in the NYC area that does
quality work without charging ridiculous sums of money (and that would
consider installing an SCMS defeat while they're at it)?
thanks in advance...
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From: "Ken Bodek" <bodekkc@clarkson.edu>
Subject: ISO Strangefolk 9/5/98 Eden DSBD's
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:07:02 -0500
Subject pretty much says it. I have ~1000 hours to trade. Check out my
list @ http://www.clarkson.edu/~waudsj/datlist.htm
-Ken
From: "Richard Orintas, Jr." <orintas@watervalley.net>
Subject: ISO BB King
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:06:22 -0600
Still looking for some good ole blues. BB or Muddy Waters if possible.
Thanks...
Bo
From: Delano <bluesky@mindspring.com>
Subject: ISO: AKG c391 users
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:07:25 -0500
Hi;
What can you tell me about your experience with AKG c391b's (stealthing and
normal taping)? I haven't seen many tapes around made from these, how do they
sound? Thanks for your time.
Take Care,
Delano
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From: ElTortuga4@aol.com
Subject: The Father Of Digital Recording... CLAY?
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:22:08 EST
Someone posted a link to an article about the "father of digital recording" a
few weeks ago (I think it was Clay). Could you please mail me the web site
again or re-post it
thanks
Daniel
From: willard robinson <willr@star.net>
Subject: I know I'm a gonna get flamed for this (Sound professionals
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:30:49 -0500
>Soundprofessionals AT853's (especially the hypercard's) sound MUCH, MUCH
>better, and for the same price (or less, compared to Sonics). I have many
>tapes made with Schoeps, Neumann's, and other very expensive mic's, and they
>don't sound any better, in my view, than the AT853's (maybe with very quiet
>music a difference would be audible, but I haven't heard it yet). The words
Hmm, again, every once in a while these types of posts show up, reading like
marketing literature for Soundprofessionals. Is it just me or does anyone
else find it strange that someone who has made 'many tapes with Schoeps,
Neumanns and other very expensive mics' would say that AT853s are comperable
and sound like they 'cost thousands more'.
???
tc
Will
From: RBERG51@aol.com
Subject: The RIAA Are not our friends and DAT-HEAD FOOLS!
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:29:50 EST
"The RIAA are not our friends!"
Thank you Steve for finally bringing some sanity and reason back to the
digest. I am totally agast that someone would actually suggest we turn in
these people and then post the addresses to do it! They are the enemy. Do
you think they discern between the friendly tapers and the bootleggers. Hate
to burst your bubble but in their eyes, YOU'RE ALL BOOTLEGGERS!
I'm not defending people who sell bootlegs, but I'm sure as hell not going to
defend the RIAA and the people who support them!
Stop all this e-bay insanity and get back to the business of trading. In
other words, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: LP on my D8 ok?or not?
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:47:20 -0500 (EST)
> Hey Now, can anyone tell me if using lp on my d8 is losing quality....?
Yes.
1. It uses 32 kHz sampling, so any frequency over about 15kHz is lost
(16kHz by math, and the filter can't be perfect either).
2. It uses 12-bit non-linear rather than 16-bit linear encoding, so it
isn't quite as accurate even within the frequencies it handles (though
it's a lot better than 12-bit linear would be).
Seth
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: bootlegs and ebay
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:49:12 -0500 (EST)
> what is the difference between making and selling tapes or
> cd's or artists who allow taping ie: dmb, phish, dead etc, and taping,
> dubbing and trading (or selling) tapes of bands who DO NOT allow taping,
> and I see a lot of that here on datheads.....kind of hypocritcal isn't
> it?
> "oh, xyz allows taping so we should only trade their shows"
> but "abc doesn't allow taping but it's ok to sell or trade those shows"
I haven't seen anybody (else) express that sort of reasoning. All
I've seen is "It's ok to trade or give away shows but not sell them".
Seth
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Soundcard Advice
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:01:09 -0500 (EST)
> Is there another popular soundcard that will give you digital and analog
> inputs, converting the the analog source to digital in one step?
The inside of a computer is an awful environment for audio signals,
and a very bad place to run an A/D converter.
Seth
From: swsmith@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Recommendations from people passionate about music...
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:33:56 -0600 (CST)
From: "Johnny P. Ketcham" <ketchamj@york.uchsc.edu>
Subject: Recommendations from people passionate about music...
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:46:00 -0700
<snip>
I currently own a stellar pair of MAGNEPAN speakers that have made me =
very happy for many, many years. I also acquired a cat about 18 months =
ago, and as fate would have it, she ran up the things last month just to =
piss me off. So, now I am in the market for some new speakers, although =
my passion for music is more than that for my cat.
<snip>
Thank you very much.
==============================================
. . .and the cat lived? ;)
<0 \\ swsmith@ix.netcom.com Stan Smith Dallas, TX 'boo-cat'
=) ". . .the only thing I know for absolutely sure in this
<0 // life is this: The two most common elements in the universe
are hydrogen and stupidity." - Harlan Ellison
From: d & d <ddnull@ocsonline.com>
Subject: re:bootlegs on ebay
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:16:58 -0500
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> From: rperry@netscape.com (William Perry)
> Subject: Illegal Bootlegs on EBay Comment
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:57:21 -0500
>
> Folks who don't understand why DAT-heads are pissed at EBay,
>
> I think the concern that people here are expressing is that selling of
> bootlegs in such a large forum is that it is potentially damaging to the
>
> artists involved. The problem with pissing off the artists is that they
> will start to look unfavorably on the folks that tape their shows (those
>
> that allow taping). Those bootlegs come from somewhere, after all! So
> the artists decide not to allow taping any longer, and we all lose out
> on
> the pursuit of our hobby (passion?) just because some asshole took
> advantage of the goodwill of tapers (or traders) who (unknowingly?)
> traded their music to a bootlegger.
>
> See why the folks on DAT-heads are upset?
>
> -Russ
>
howdy cd-r heads
this opinion just doesn't seem to add up to me. i can't think of any
band that has changed their taping policy to "no taping" due to
bootleggers.
second, the bands that don't allow taping get bootlegged more often than
those that that do allow it. it doesn't make sense to disallow taping
because of bootlegging. tapers spread the music for free. an open taping
policy and good quality tapes are any bands best defense against
bootlegging. it only makes sense that if everyone can get a good copy of
a show, there will be no need for anyone to purchase a bootleg. this is
totally possible with cd-r's.
i just want to urge everyone that is upset with the bootleg industry to
do something that effects everyone in a positive way. write a heartfelt
letter to a band that needs to be enlightened about the positive aspects
of taping and trading, and spread your tapes to unideckers, folks that
trade cd-r's, and the anal-log community as well. you will feel better
about yourself for actually doing something positive. thanks for the
b/w.
dale shepherd
n.p.-zero 10-17-92
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<PRE>From: rperry@netscape.com (William Perry)
Subject: Illegal Bootlegs on EBay Comment
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:57:21 -0500
Folks who don't understand why DAT-heads are pissed at EBay,
I think the concern that people here are expressing is that selling of
bootlegs in such a large forum is that it is potentially damaging to the
artists involved. The problem with pissing off the artists is that they
will start to look unfavorably on the folks that tape their shows (those
that allow taping). Those bootlegs come from somewhere, after all! So
the artists decide not to allow taping any longer, and we all lose out
on
the pursuit of our hobby (passion?) just because some asshole took
advantage of the goodwill of tapers (or traders) who (unknowingly?)
traded their music to a bootlegger.
See why the folks on DAT-heads are upset?
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<P><BR>howdy cd-r heads
<BR>this opinion just doesn't seem to add up to me. i can't think of any
band that has changed their taping policy to "no taping" due to bootleggers.
<BR>second, the bands that don't allow taping get bootlegged more often
than those that that do allow it. it doesn't make sense to disallow taping
because of bootlegging. tapers spread the music for free. an open taping
policy and good quality tapes are any bands best defense against bootlegging.
it only makes sense that if everyone can get a good copy of a show, there
will be no need for anyone to purchase a bootleg. this is totally possible
with cd-r's.
<BR>i just want to urge everyone that is upset with the bootleg industry
to do something that effects everyone in a positive way. write a heartfelt
letter to a band that needs to be enlightened about the positive aspects
of taping and trading, and spread your tapes to unideckers, folks that
trade cd-r's, and the anal-log community as well. you will feel better
about yourself for actually doing something positive. thanks for the b/w.
<P>dale shepherd
<P>n.p.-zero 10-17-92
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From: d & d <ddnull@ocsonline.com>
Subject: on-stage micing
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:25:49 -0500
hello tapers,
i'm hoping to get some feedback from anyone with experience in micing a
band on-stage. my brother & i are wanting to try the km184's on-stage.
we'd like to experiment with a few different local bands but we aren't
too sure as to where to start.
mic location, angles of the mics, etc. we are also considering doing a
matrix with the stage mics and the sbd feed into a da-p1. any and all
help would be most appreciated.
thanks again
dale shepherd
n.p. zero-10-17-92
From: Michael Hackett <mhackett@supercity.ns.ca>
Subject: Tascam DA-40
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 99 01:37:29 -0500
I went to check the Tascam site for specs on the DA-20 and DA-30 and
found that the latter is no longer on the DAT page. It appears to have
been replaced with a new model, the DA-40 (not to be confused with the
24-bit DA-45 deck). The only mention of this I could find elsewhere was a
thread on rec.audio.pro that confirmed my suspicion. Has anyone else
heard anything more? (There's no spec sheet up for the -40 or -45 yet on
the Tascam site.)
Wondering if this might result in some end-of-line DA-30mkII specials, is
there anything to worry about with this model? And how does it differ
from the DA-20mkII, transport- and build-wise? One poster in the
aforementioned thread warned of some problems with the mkII version of
the '30s. I probably don't =need= the balanced I/O, but if the difference
is only a couple of hundred bucks Canadian, it might be worth it. My CD
transport has a balanced digital out, so I could use it, but it's not
critical. My main concern is reliability.
-- Michael
From: "Alfredo" <md2001@mclink.it>
Subject: Re: Opcode's Dat port ...& Ebay + RIAA emails
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:23:20 +0200
One question :
The Opcode's dat port is connected directly to input of CD-r or, also in
this case must be connected to sound card of Pc?
That is
DAT ------>Opcode---------->PC's CDR
or DAT ----->Opcode------>SOUNDCARD--------->PC's CDR
In case it works only in the 2nd example above illustrated, in the future
there will any possibility to get a direct connection also for computer
system without use Soundcard?
============
Now my thoughts about Ebay's debate.
I think that is right send messages to Ebay webmaster and also to guy who
post adv there, but I don't agree about last email posted by Mike Gentile"
<mgentile@hotmail.com> with RIAA emails.
At RIAA there's checking Ebay's messages, so they don't need any help
relatively to them stupid bootlegers/sellers on Ebay's web annoucements.And
they are SURELY subscribed here.
So, my question is : How Mr. Gentile got these emails? Any of you have
traded with him before?
Just an innocent question........, so if Mr. Gentile is a well-known trader,
I apologize immediately now.
Alf
From: "John Cocci" <johnc@simsnow.com>
Subject: OE Fall Update
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:05:58 -0800
Go to www.oe.org for an update on the Fall tree. Thanks.
John
http://members.tripod.com/johncocci/
From: Paul Cho <pc132@columbia.edu>
Subject: ISO: patch for Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds @ Beacon Theatre NYC
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:55:56 -0500 (EST)
subject says it all...
Dave and Tim, Beacon Theatre, NYC Feb 2
Thanks a lot!
-Paul
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: need advice on CD-R setup (survey, pls. respond)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:23:11 -0800
>From: "Lutch, James JJ" <Lutch.James.JJ@bhp.com.au>
>Subject: need advice on CD-R setup (survey, pls. respond)
>Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:13:00 +1100
[snip]
>do the low buck burners work well? I can get a panasonic/ sony/ mitsui 4x
>for around $200. ~~~~~~
Minor point: it's Mitsumi, not Mitsui. (Note the second "m".) Mitsui is a
manufacturer of CD-R discs, Mitsuimi is a manufacturer of CD-R/W hardware.
FWIW, I've never seen 4X burners for anything close to $200, unless you
consider $250 to be close. Probably not at the wholesale level, either: I
don't think the profit margins are that great for resellers. (That is, if
you're talking about U.S. dollars. If you're talking about Australian
dollars, those prices are much more likely.)
Peace,
<> David
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: trading in a CDR age...
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:43:06 -0800
>From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
>Subject: trading in a CDR age...
>Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
>Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:56:06 -0800
>
>I think it's a safe bet that anything "modern rock" that you might
>trade on CDR will eventually end up on a commercial bootleg... sad
>but true...
>
>Bootleggers don't need to tape shows anymore, they have us to
>make perfect masters for them... free of charge!
If there's a silver lining anywhere in this, it's that the quality of
bootlegs will improve--with so many shows to choose from, a savvy
bootlegger will choose to put his/her money and energies to push those
discs that actually sound good. Not that I like bootlegs, but that I
acknowledge that bootlegs are often the basis for heavily-traded shows.
Peace,
<> David
<> David
http://www.lightlink.com/drogers/
=============
"People, who eat people, are the loneliest people in the world!"
–Barbara Streisand, slightly skewed
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: bootlegs and ebay
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:39:35 -0800
>From: Harry <hblaisure@earthlink.net>
>Subject: bootlegs and ebay
>Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:09:07 -0800
>
>Ok, I understand that some people here get upset when they see bootlegs
>being sold, be it ebay or anywhere for that matter, but my question is
>this.......what is the difference between making and selling tapes or
>cd's or artists who allow taping ie: dmb, phish, dead etc, and taping,
>dubbing and trading (or selling) tapes of bands who DO NOT allow taping,
>and I see a lot of that here on datheads.....kind of hypocritcal isn't
>it?
>"oh, xyz allows taping so we should only trade their shows"
>but "abc doesn't allow taping but it's ok to sell or trade those shows"
>
>explain please?
Your main mistake is in equating trading tapes with selling them. They are
different things, at least morally. Even if they were, nearly all bands
that allow taping and tape-trading don't allow the selling of said tapes.
It's one thing for them to allow you to enjoy them for free, another for
them to allow you to make money off of them.
Of the bands that don't allow taping that get traded by members of this
list (I won't get into who they are), I think almost everyone can see a
clear distinction between trading them and making money off of them. One is
potentially bad (stealing an artist's work, even though the actual monetary
damage is slim to zero), and the other is unambiguously worse--making a
profit on said thievery. While I don't condone this, I'm realistic enough
to admit that making a financial gain from a copy of a stolen work is a lot
worse than recieving a copy of the same stolen work. AFAIK, the law
recognizes this: (again AFAIK) there is no penalty for recieving, or even
purchasing a pirated work; but there is one for selling one.
Peace,
<> David
<> David
http://www.lightlink.com/drogers/
=============
"People, who eat people, are the loneliest people in the world!"
–Barbara Streisand, slightly skewed
From: "Damon L. Ritter" <jkstrw@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: bootlegs and Ebay
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:12:58 -0500
>what is the difference between making and selling tapes or
>cd's or artists who allow taping ie: dmb, phish, dead etc, and taping,
>dubbing and trading (or selling) tapes of bands who DO NOT allow taping,
>and I see a lot of that here on datheads
A pretty obvious difference is the PROFIT involved (unless you're a moron
that considers what you are trading for as a profit). And just because a
band allows taping, it doesn't mean you can then turn around and SELL what
you have taped.
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