DAT-Heads Digest #742
Contents:
1/27/99 Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds Tree ("nick@tapetree.com")
SEEKING PATCH AT DAVE AND TIME IN CHAS. SC (Csberend@aol.com)
Re: Opcode's Dat port ...& Ebay + RIAA emails ("Mike Gentile")
Correction: Re: Opcode's Dat port ...& Ebay + RIAA emails ("Mike Gentile")
Disco Biscuits on tour-Tape them, please!!! ("Max (Bret Maxwell Dawson)")
Patch for Dave NYC (2/2) and is open taping allowed? (daniel.estrin@chadbourne.com)
Re: Patch for Dave NYC (2/2) and is open taping allowed? (Stan Lobitz)
Re: Patch for Dave NYC (2/2) and is open taping allowed? ("Scott Bernstein")
Re: DAT-Heads Digest #739 (James Treworgy)
Galactic 1/28/99 (dan clark)
Dolby HX Pro (Bob Ramstad)
bootlegs and eBay ("Williams, Michelle")
44.1 or 48? ("Williams, Michelle")
Galaxy Theater, orange co. (NDC) ("Neil Sturtevant")
Phish 11-20-98 Tree ("gamehenge")
Re: CDrs..Smart n Friendly and Dat question (Nadyne Mielke)
From: "nick@tapetree.com" <tapetree@msn.com>
Subject: 1/27/99 Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds Tree
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:33:37 -0800
1/27/99 Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds Tree @
http://www.tapetree.com
From: Csberend@aol.com
Subject: SEEKING PATCH AT DAVE AND TIME IN CHAS. SC
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:58:53 EST
Will anyone be going to this show with a rig? If so I would appreciate a
patch...
Thanks everyone
Craig
From: "Mike Gentile" <mgentile@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Opcode's Dat port ...& Ebay + RIAA emails
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:01:00 PST
md2001@mclink.it wrote:
>So, my question is : How Mr. Gentile got these emails? Any of you have
>traded with him before?
>Just an innocent question........, so if Mr. Gentile is a well-known
trader,
>I apologize immediately now.
>
>Alf
Hi Alf. and gang, OK I wasn't trying to incite a riot or anything, I
was just supplying information, that's all. No apologies necessary and
no offense taken. I want to just clear up how the RIAA addresses were
obtained. I simply went to the RIAA web site, looked through the news
and copied down the e-mail addresses that appeared on their press
releases. The other ones were obtained by doing a search on
http://www.hotbot.com and searching on the term "@riaa.com" and
selecting the option "exact phrase" After that a bunch of hits came
back and I just simply looked through them and copied down the e-mail
addresses. Simple as that. I really didn't want to get all mixed up in
this debate, I was just relaying information.
Hope that helps and I sincerely apologize if I ruffled anyone's
feathers. It was not my intention at all.
Again, I am sorry.
-Mike
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From: "Mike Gentile" <mgentile@hotmail.com>
Subject: Correction: Re: Opcode's Dat port ...& Ebay + RIAA emails
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:19:06 PST
Sorry gang. I inadvertantly listed hotbot.com as the search engine that
I used to look up some "@riaa.com" addresses. It was actually
Altavista. The address is http://www.altavista.com I just rechecked
again after I sent my last message a few minutes ago and realized my
error. Anyway, it only took a few minutes to look them all up.
I do apologize (once again) for any confusion.
Sincerely,
-Mike
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From: "Max (Bret Maxwell Dawson)" <Max_Dawson@brown.edu>
Subject: Disco Biscuits on tour-Tape them, please!!!
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:23:41 -0500
http://www.discobiscuits.com
Coming off two nights sold out at the Wetlands Preserve in New York City
and the debut of "The Hot Air Balloon", an original rock opera by guitarist
John Gutwillig, the Disco Biscuits, Possibly the universes most exciting
young band is hitting the road on a nationwide tour. The first 8 shows (in
the Northeast) have proven nothing short of monumental, and I have the DATs
to prove it!!! What I'm looking for right now are folks out their across
America to go out and tape these guys!!! The small-yet dedicated-cadre of
Biscuit tapers would be eternally grateful for any efforts made to preserve
this band's groundbreaking music on DAT!
As for the music-groundbreaking just doesn't do these guys justice. Each
show over the past two months has demonstrated that this bands dynamic
style is beginning to mature. People have described their sound as "trance
funk fusion" or "techno meets jam bands." We Biscuit fans tend to just
call it amazing shit, or at least we do when we are still able to speak
after shows!!! Really, people, these guys are amazing, and they need to be
taped!!!
If anyone out there thinks that they might be able to make any of these
shows with their mics, please contact me ASAP. I can arrange for you to
receive a sample of their music off some of the wonderful DATs me and the
other tapers have recorded this tour!
FEBRUARY
Mon 1, Bessie's, Wilmington, NC
Tues 2, Peasants, Greenville, NC
Wed 3, Brewery, Raleigh, NC
Thurs 4, J.J. Cagney's, Savannah, GA
Fri 5, Jack Straws, Charlotte, NC
Sat 6, Chameleon Club, Atlanta, GA
Opening for Sector 9
Mon 8, Sebastians, Murfreesboro, TN
Tues 9, Newby's, M.E.M.P.H.I.S., TN
Wed 10, Ivory Tusk, Tuscaloosa, AL
Thurs 11, Jimmy's, New Orleans, LA
Fri 12, Mercury, Austin, TX
Sat 13, The Home Bar, Dallas, TX
Tues 16, Cajun House of Blues, Scottsdale, AZ
Thurs 18, Monsoon's, Flagstaff, AZ
Fri 19, Legends, Las Vegas, NV
Sat 20, 14 Below, Santa Monica, CA
Wed 24, Winston's, San Diego, CA
Fri 26, Last Day Saloon, San Francisco, CA
Sat, 27 - Harringtons, Chico, CA
MARCH
Thurs, 4 - The Tractor, Seattle, WA
Fri, 5 - Mt. Tabor Pub, Portland, OR
Sat, 6 - Good Times, Eugene, OR
Cheers!
Max
Bret Maxwell Dawson
Max_Dawson@Brown.edu
Box 0474 Brown University
Providence, RI 02912-0474
From: daniel.estrin@chadbourne.com
Subject: Patch for Dave NYC (2/2) and is open taping allowed?
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:29:41 -0500
Paul Cho <pc132@columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>Subject: ISO: patch for Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds @ Beacon Theatre
NYC<<<
Hey Paul (and any other DAT/NYC-heads hitting this show),
I've got yer patch if you've got the sweet spot from which to run my rig. I
have tix to this show but they are way up in the upper balcony, not a good spot
from which to tape at the Beacon. If you have tix down in the orchestra section
-- or even near the front of the loge -- and wouldn't mind sharing your space
with a stand/rig (or trading tix with me), I'll be happy to provide a patch (or
clone/d->a/younameit). The rig I'll run will depend on the answer to the next
question. Is "open" taping permissible at Dave/Tim shows? If so, I'll likely
run the U89s(stand)->Apogee ad1000. If not, I'll likely run the mk4
caps->actives->cmc6->sonosax->sbm. Any info appreciated.
Apologies to NYC-heads who have already seen my plea for "sweet spot" tix, but I
thought it was worth one more try with the show only a few days away (on 2/2).
Shalom,
Daniel Estrin
From: Stan Lobitz <redrain@teamschoeps.org>
Subject: Re: Patch for Dave NYC (2/2) and is open taping allowed?
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:44:52 -0500
I taped a few Dave and Tim shows last tour and the only one "no taping" was Town
Hall
and that was No-see, no-tell. A venue prohibition which Daves management appologized
for.
The dynamics of the audio is quite wierd. The show itself is rather quiet and
filled with
screaming peri-pubertal girls. The audience noise runs about 8dB above the loudest
music.
I would suggest using an Apogee AD convertor (Dan has one and that is why someone
ought
to hook him with tickets in the sweet spot or front of balcony). Using the soft
limit and
puposefully letting the between song applause overload is the best way to get a
decent
tape of Dave and Tim IMO.
daniel.estrin@chadbourne.com wrote:
> Paul Cho <pc132@columbia.edu> wrote:
>
> >>>Subject: ISO: patch for Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds @ Beacon Theatre
> NYC<<<
>
> Hey Paul (and any other DAT/NYC-heads hitting this show),
>
> I've got yer patch if you've got the sweet spot from which to run my rig. I
> have tix to this show but they are way up in the upper balcony, not a good spot
> from which to tape at the Beacon. If you have tix down in the orchestra section
> -- or even near the front of the loge -- and wouldn't mind sharing your space
> with a stand/rig (or trading tix with me), I'll be happy to provide a patch (or
> clone/d->a/younameit). The rig I'll run will depend on the answer to the next
> question. Is "open" taping permissible at Dave/Tim shows? If so, I'll likely
> run the U89s(stand)->Apogee ad1000. If not, I'll likely run the mk4
> caps->actives->cmc6->sonosax->sbm. Any info appreciated.
>
========================================
Stanley Lobitz, M.D.
redrain@teamschoeps.org
stan@well.com
http://www.teamschoeps.org
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
=======================================
From: "Scott Bernstein" <scott_bernstein@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Patch for Dave NYC (2/2) and is open taping allowed?
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:02:40 EST
Yep. I've had some similar experiences in the past (mine was '94 at
Irving Plaza) and to reduce the screaming young females factor (SYFF tm)
that I was hearing upon monitoring the recording with my headphones, my
solution was to keep raising the mic stand until it was at maximal
height. Tightening the angle on the mics and running a more directional
pattern probably wouldn't hurt either.
Scott
>
>I taped a few Dave and Tim shows last tour and the only one "no taping"
was Town
>Hall
>and that was No-see, no-tell. A venue prohibition which Daves
management appologized
>for.
>
>The dynamics of the audio is quite wierd. The show itself is rather
quiet and
>filled with
>screaming peri-pubertal girls. The audience noise runs about 8dB above
the loudest
>music.
>I would suggest using an Apogee AD convertor (Dan has one and that is
why someone
>ought
>to hook him with tickets in the sweet spot or front of balcony). Using
the soft
>limit and
>puposefully letting the between song applause overload is the best way
to get a
>decent
>tape of Dave and Tim IMO.
>
>daniel.estrin@chadbourne.com wrote:
>
>> Paul Cho <pc132@columbia.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >>>Subject: ISO: patch for Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds @ Beacon
Theatre
>> NYC<<<
>>
>> Hey Paul (and any other DAT/NYC-heads hitting this show),
>>
>> I've got yer patch if you've got the sweet spot from which to run my
rig. I
>> have tix to this show but they are way up in the upper balcony, not a
good spot
>> from which to tape at the Beacon. If you have tix down in the
orchestra section
>> -- or even near the front of the loge -- and wouldn't mind sharing
your space
>> with a stand/rig (or trading tix with me), I'll be happy to provide a
patch (or
>> clone/d->a/younameit). The rig I'll run will depend on the answer to
the next
>> question. Is "open" taping permissible at Dave/Tim shows? If so,
I'll likely
>> run the U89s(stand)->Apogee ad1000. If not, I'll likely run the mk4
>> caps->actives->cmc6->sonosax->sbm. Any info appreciated.
>>
>
>----------------------------------------
>Stanley Lobitz, M.D.
>
>redrain@teamschoeps.org
>stan@well.com
>http://www.teamschoeps.org
>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>---------------------------------------
>
>
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From: James Treworgy <jamie@treworgy.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-Heads Digest #739
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:09:37 -0800
While this might make sense intuitively, it's not necessarily true -- some
well designed hardware gets excellent results with internal A/D converters.
The Event Gina has in internal A/D converter and a 94 decibel S/N ratio in
round trip tests through it's analog I/O with very low distortion.
Certainly this is well outside the limits of most analog sources you might
be feeding in to it.
See http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/ for reviews of this and other sound
cards.
Jamie
>> Is there another popular soundcard that will give you digital and analog
>> inputs, converting the the analog source to digital in one step?
>
>The inside of a computer is an awful environment for audio signals,
>and a very bad place to run an A/D converter.
From: dan clark <clarkda@one.net>
Subject: Galactic 1/28/99
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:26:46 -0500 (EST)
Hello jazz nuts,
Just listened to the DSBD I ran last night of these guys. Nice dynamics
and overall mix, but the tape lacks a bit in the upper end. Anyone who
actually knows what the f#*k they're doing with a computer editing program
want to help me add some brightness to this otherwise nice recording?
It's VERY listenable as is but I'd like to find someone who can add some
detail to the treble. Before I get engulfed with requests for the tape,
rest assured that when I get the finished product, I'll see about maybe
treeing this (perhaps someone who has more free time than me would like to
take over administration?)
--Dan
From: Bob Ramstad <rramstad@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Dolby HX Pro
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:33:55 -0800
Dolby HX Pro is an encode-only system i.e. it occurs during recording
only and the resulting tape can be played back on any deck. it was
mostly used for cassette systems. my understanding is that it works
by varying the amount of bias slightly for more accurate treble
reproduction -- magnetic media has different characteristics depending
on the frequency makeup of the signal being recorded.
i've owned a couple decks with Dolby HX Pro and have never heard any
"pumping" type of artifact, then again, i did DJ in clubs for eight
years, so i wouldn't say i have the most sensitive ears in the
galaxy. (then again, ask the folks i trade with, as i manage to find
every last little flaw in every tape i ever get in trades...)
-- Bob
From: "Williams, Michelle" <williams@rti.org>
Subject: bootlegs and eBay
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:48:56 -0500
Just in case everyone hasn't read enough about this topic ;o)
First off, I'm amazed (and saddened really) by how many people seem to have
a 'who cares' attitude about all of this. I've read "mind your own
business" one too many times.. well guess what, it is my business!! I love
taping shows and I don't want Anything to interfere with my ability to do
that. I read a post from digiphish this morning (same discussion over
there) and someone sent an email to the seller of the bootleg(s) and
explained everything to him, the seller had no idea how wrong what he was
doing was, and said he would change his ways (after stressing that his copy
would be the best, because after all, he had a $400 rig hehe (microphone
into minidisk he called it)) He also said he would give a list of all the
bidders and then various people in digiphish offered the show up for free.
I think that was a great approach.. Personally, I don't think I need/want to
contact the RIAA because them getting a million extra messages about
bootleggers is not going to help us. What I am personally doing, and I hope
others like this idea and help, is emailing all the bidders and explaining
to them that there is no need to pay money for what is readily available and
pointing them to tapetraders or some other such resource. This seems to be
the best approach to me, but I'm curious to hear other ideas and insights..
Thanks for the bandwidth..
Michelle
http://cyberrealm.net/~guyute/tapelist.htm
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Gray skies are beauty, it ain't just the blue,
and the sun don't shine no sweeter than your milk white moon.
Soft on your senses caressing your soul,
you're smoothing out your edges in the moonlight's flow
-Refried Confusion http://www.refriedconfusion.com
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
From: "Williams, Michelle" <williams@rti.org>
Subject: 44.1 or 48?
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:53:20 -0500
p.s. - I'm just curious if any of you DAT non-CD people have changed and
started recording at 44.1 instead of 48. I haven't yet taped a show at 44.1
but I heard that there is no discernible difference between the two, is this
true? Do you suggest changing to accommodate all the CD-R people (that have
invaded the list ;o)
Thanks..
Michelle
http://cyberrealm.net/~guyute/tapelist.htm
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Gray skies are beauty, it ain't just the blue,
and the sun don't shine no sweeter than your milk white moon.
Soft on your senses caressing your soul,
you're smoothing out your edges in the moonlight's flow
-Refried Confusion http://www.refriedconfusion.com
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
From: "Neil Sturtevant" <neil@directed.com>
Subject: Galaxy Theater, orange co. (NDC)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:10:09 -0800
greetings, anyone tape at the galaxy recently? any comment about security,
the door search, etc? can i get away w/ full sized mics? please respond
privately
Neil, and thanx for the bandwidth
From: "gamehenge" <gamehenge@sirus.com>
Subject: Phish 11-20-98 Tree
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:17:43 -0400
I just opened DAT tree on the TFBT web site. It is Phish 11-20-98 at the
Hampton coliseum. The source is Schoeps CMC641->Apogee AD-1000 @44.1 khz.
You can sign-up at: www.mindspring.com/~gamehendge/TFBT
If you would like to join TFBT, then please feel free to become a member.
Peace
Phil
gamehenge@sirus.com
From: Nadyne Mielke <nadyne@rmta.org>
Subject: Re: CDrs..Smart n Friendly and Dat question
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:34:33 -0500
Jazdout@aol.com said:
>Once again i must look up to the oh and wise Dat Heads for advice.
Well, I don't qualify as wise, but . . . :)
>Thinking of buying a Smart n Friendly Internal Scsi CD recorder. Ha any one
>had any
>good or bad experiences with this unit or company?
I own a Smart and Friendly CD-RW 226 that I purchased about a year ago.
It's an internal SCSI model. I've burnt well over 200 CDs on this burner
without terribly much issue -- I've made a couple of coasters, but they
were my fault.
You get an Adaptec SCSI card with this burner. Not all Adaptec SCSI cards
are compatible with Win98, and the one that came with my burner wasn't.
{Given that my drive is a year old, I don't know if this will still be an
issue.} I made the mistake of attempting to upgrade with Win98, and it
wouldn't recognize my SCSI card or burner. Their tech support folks were
helpful, but the final result was that I had to go back to Win95. I didn't
consider this to be a big deal, but it is something you'll want to be aware of.
My CD burner died a week ago of unknown {possibly power-related} causes. I
got an RMA on it and FedEx'ed it back. They say that it takes 2-3 weeks
after they get it for it to return to me. We're one week into that 2-3
weeks, so ask me in a couple of weeks how that went.
All in all, I've been pleased with the burner. We'll see how pleased I am
with their RMA process in a couple of weeks.
/nad
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