DAT-Heads Digest #766
Contents:
ISO Todd Rundgren/Utopia (Kkc414@aol.com)
ISO Rolling Stones Oakland Show (Kkc414@aol.com)
long cable runs (Robert Bertrando)
RE: dap1 and 32kHz (Gordon Gidluck)
Matrix capabilities of the DAP-1? ("Aashish")
Re: Matrix capabilities of the DAP-1? (Seth Breidbart)
BOOTLEGGER part II (Dan Clark)
Bulk HHb CDR's; $1.49 each ("Klay Anderson")
Scofield in Chicago 2.23.99-2.28.99 (Dan Knuggs)
re: smart n friendly ("stories")
RADIOHEAD setlists page? (William Shaw)
help (Steven Kingsley)
Dave&Tim 3-13-99 Berkely/ Cake 2-20-99 San Francisco (SlvrRcr@aol.com)
Re: BOOTLEGGER warning... ("David D. Rogers")
Re: planning to buy DAT / (swsmith@ix.netcom.com)
Re: Digital Sound Cards, Which one?..UGHHH!!! ("David D. Rogers")
Re: Re:Portable DAT Recorder Recommendation? Digest #760 (swsmith@ix.netcom.com)
RE: computer cd burner setup ("David D. Rogers")
mp3.com ("David D. Rogers")
Re: help (Seth Breidbart)
looking for D5 or D6 (GOLDBERG)
Scandinavian folk upcoming live and on radio (Ray Peck)
tapers in NM and AZ for D&T shows (allan chen)
From: Kkc414@aol.com
Subject: ISO Todd Rundgren/Utopia
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:29:44 EST
An analog friend of mine has asked me to see if I could find and good Todd or
Utopia shows. Email me privately to set up a trade.
Kevin
From: Kkc414@aol.com
Subject: ISO Rolling Stones Oakland Show
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:28:13 EST
Did anybody manage to get a good recording of the Stones show in Oakland back
in January? I'd love to get a clone. Please email me for my list. Also,
I'm looking for other Stones trades, as well.
Kevin
From: Robert Bertrando <rbbert@pyramid.net>
Subject: long cable runs
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:50:07 -0800
nothing beats a 110 ohm balanced cable for long cable runs, and they're
relatively cheap (Bayview sells an Apogee 5m for $48). That said, there is
very little difference (if any) between a premium 75 ohm video cable and a
"digital" cable.
From: Gordon Gidluck <ggidluck@artelco.com>
Subject: RE: dap1 and 32kHz
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:11:13 -0800
>
> From: treizes1@mail-atm.nycap.rr.com
> Subject: dap1 and 32kHz
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:09:05 +0000
>
> Can the dap1 encode at 32kHz when recieving a digital patch from a
> master recorded at 32kHz or will it automatically resample that 32kHz
> feed to which ever sampling freq the sampling freq switch on the DAP1
> is set to?
>
> Can't find my manual and when feeding the dap1 with a 32kHz digi feed
> there is a 32 that appears in the DAP1's display however the tape
> (apparently) runs at SP speed b/c the clone ran out of tape about
> halfway through the master(rec'd at 32kHz LP). Note: The master and
> the clone tape legnths in meters are the same.
>
> thanks for any help and the bandwidth.
>
> I will do one B&P of the last show of Phish fall98 tour, sunday nite
> Woosta, MA. to first newbie/unidecker interested. Please respond
> privately.
>
> peace, tr
Your switch would control analog sampling only.
For digital to digital copying, the receiving DAT will lock onto the
clock speed of the sending machine. It will switch it's clocking to that
rate.
If your DAP1 says 32Khz is the sampling rate for the tape, and it
doesn't sound fast, your tape is ok.
Gordon Gidluck
From: "Aashish" <amody@cbsinc.com>
Subject: Matrix capabilities of the DAP-1?
Reply-To: "Aashish" <amody@cbsinc.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:22:30 -0500
Hi all, I received this from a friend of mine and was wondering if anyone
has any input regarding matrix capabilities of the DAP-1:
The da-p1 from tascam will take 4 imputs at once. you can use the 2 xl
inputs for mics and the rca inputs for a sdb feed. the da-p1 is supposed to
do the matrix mix for you.
Wouldn't time delay be a factor in this?
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Matrix capabilities of the DAP-1?
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:28:19 -0500 (EST)
> The da-p1 from tascam will take 4 imputs at once. you can use the 2 xl
> inputs for mics and the rca inputs for a sdb feed. the da-p1 is supposed to
> do the matrix mix for you.
>
> Wouldn't time delay be a factor in this?
Both time delay (if the mics are far from the stage) and the lack of
level-setting ability would be problems.
Seth
From: Dan Clark <clarkda@NKU.EDU>
Subject: BOOTLEGGER part II
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:31:59 -0500
Many have sent e-mails requesting the name of our little problem, some even
suggesting I post "publicly" here to the group. The following is all
information placed in the public domain by the BOOTLEGGER and what leads me
to believe he is indeed selling CD's.
OK, first of all, you'll see this message which was posted last year sometime:
"From: l8rjerry@webtv.net (david dimartino)
Subject: govt mule and good rats
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:55:42 -0700 (PDT)
hey now im still searching for some major league govt mule to trade and
they must be dsbs!...or high end mics. (ams st 250, neumann U
series>dat) also looking for new yorks very own good rats from 1974>1978
via master cassatte sbd>dat any one have any? also im not sure but this
is a grovel pit to isnt it?
http://www.webspawner.com/users/dats
I remember contacting him as I had some 97 Mule tapes to possibly trade,
unaware at this point he was an asshole personally and a BOOTLEGGER to
boot. He was impossible to deal with and morever very rude, even going so
far as to question whether Mule even played on the date of the tapes I had
for trade!
At any rate, his list was very large and was set up in such a way that when
analoger contacted me about this dude last week, he included his URL -- I
go to the web site and there it is, same web site with an inordinate amount
of Grateful Dead and many other bands. I recognized it as such, but he has
taken his real name off the web site and put some shit like "Maganhan's
List." When he corresponded with analoger, he put his name as "Mag S." I
guess he is protecting his identity and rightfully so if engaged in illegal
BOOTLEGGING.
Thus, even though his recent e-mails are from a different e-mail account
and his name is changed, the old dat-heads digests seem to implicate him
fully. Jeez, at least he could have gotten a new web site or at least
changed the f#$cking URL.
So, we have a stupid, rude BOOTLEGGER who can't spell or punctuate.
Judging from his list it appears he was an old GD taper. You'd think he'd
know better.
End of story.
--Dan
From: "Klay Anderson" <klay@klay.com>
Subject: Bulk HHb CDR's; $1.49 each
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:48:46 -0700
I have new, fresh stock on HHb CDR74 bulk silver Phthalocyanine discs; the
best made. 100 on a spindle; $149+postage/spindle.
Regards,
Klay Anderson
klay@klay.com
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: Dan Knuggs <g_ribs@yahoo.com>
Subject: Scofield in Chicago 2.23.99-2.28.99
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:11:27 -0800 (PST)
Hey Now, We're packing up the car and flying the space waves to see
Scofield in Chicago. He's playing the Jazz Showcase from the 23rd of
Feb. to the 28th. I'm going to try and make it to the weekend shows
(26,27,28) and was wonderin if any local DAT kids know what the taping
policies are there?? If you're planning to catch any of these nights
please email me privately. Stanx, Andy
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From: "stories" <stories@shortsharpshock.demon.co.uk>
Subject: re: smart n friendly
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:34:55 +0000
>All these wierd things are happening in win98 now. Since i hooked the
scsi
>card and cd-r up i get messages during startup saying Windows
Protection Error
>Restart. I restart and everyhting is fine.
The easyest solution would probably be to reinstall win98 (deleting the
windows dir first)
windows seams to acumulate a lot of junk on the system dir which can
some times cause problems.
>The cdr or program gets stuck during testing
>and sometimes during the first stages of writing. Maybe they should
include an
>option in the menu to make COASTERS as i know have a complete set of
>attractice Maxwell coasters.
Do you defragment your hard disk regulaly? Do you have any reasours
conflicts?
is your power managment disabled, are you running any unesacery programs
whalst burning?
Is you SCSI bus properly setup & terminated?
--
Matt
Matt@shortsharpshock.demon.co.uk
OUT-THERE
MiniDisc<-->DAT<-->CD Audio Duplication
Http://wWw.shortsharpshock.demon.co.uk/audio/index.html
From: William Shaw <bshaw@skyway.com>
Subject: RADIOHEAD setlists page?
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:39:04 -0800
Anybody know a good link for RADIOHEAD setlists?
The pauserecord.com site doesn't show any links for Radiohead.
Thanks,
--
-Bill
From: Steven Kingsley <steven@airsys.net>
Subject: help
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:55:49 -0500
Everyone I've tried can't find/understand/figure out the cable I need.
I need the digital connector cable for a Denon DTR80-P.
It is an RCA to Mini, but the mini plug end has 3 bands
instead of the normal 2.
I'm told its the same as the one used for the Casio DAR-100
This thing is gone. Anyone have one?
Anyone have the technology to make me one?
These manufacturers are clueless.
Help!
Steve
From: SlvrRcr@aol.com
Subject: Dave&Tim 3-13-99 Berkely/ Cake 2-20-99 San Francisco
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:15:39 EST
Is someone going to be taping either one of these shows? I was unable to get
decent tix for the Dave&Tim show and Cake sold out before I could scrape up
money for tickets. I would be ever so stoked to get my hands on either one of
these shows. I am a new unidecker so I would have to do a B&P or maybe I have
something you might be interested in on cd-r (I do cd-r trades also) Thanks
Tom
SlvrRcr@aol.com
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: BOOTLEGGER warning...
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:51:44 -0800
>From: dan clark <clarkda@one.net>
>Subject: BOOTLEGGER warning...
>Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:01:33 -0500 (EST)
OK, who is the bootlegger? You've posted this much so far, you might as
well post the name/email address.
Peace,
<> David
=============
"I was a Sunday school teacher. I had the biggest class. I had 70 kids
in my class because I wore red leather pants to church."
--Tori Amos
From: swsmith@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: planning to buy DAT /
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:56:56 -0600 (CST)
You wrote:
==============================
> From: Gerry Morgan <gerrym@pobox.com>
> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:24:06 -0700 (MST)
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm planning to buy a DAT recorder to record the sounds of the desert birds
> and animals where I live (near Tucson, AZ). I currently have a Sony WM-D6C
> analog cassette recorder and a Sony ECM-909 microphone, and the recordings
> I've been making are kind of OK, but there's too much tape hiss for my
> liking. So I'm wondering whether a Sony TCD-D100 would me a good machine to
> upgrade to. I need something very portable, so that I can take it out hiking
> with me.
> I'm also wondering whether the ECM-909 microphone is really good
> enough.
==============================
The D6 isn't a bad deck, just analog. Mine still runs, & gets used at local shows to make
'band tapes' for the act to take home that night. . .saves lots of time on dubs! ;) (Sony still
makes them, btw, but _isn't_ supporting repairs. Trying to push those MD units, I guess.)
The excessive tape hiss might be caused by a number of things: Not recording at a high
enough level to mask the noise; Dirty heads & tape path (makes an enormous difference!);
improper bias & alias settings for the tape type used.
You can up the S/N ratio a bit by having it biased & set up for Metal Type IV tapes, and by
running it as hot as possible, but you may not like the sound of analog tape compression as the
tape goes to saturation. Type IV tapes will give you 6-10 dB more headroom, as well. Cleaning a
dirty set of heads will do some amazing things to the quality of a recording as well.
The DAT format has no (audible) tape noise, so I feel you'd be better off with one if the
hiss is really annoying to you.
The ECM-909 isn't the highest quality mic Sony makes, but it is a fairly accurate stereo-
field reproduction mic. I used one for recording a number of oilfield locations & natural sounds
for a theatrical production that needed some "wild" tracks as backing sound cues, and the results
were acceptable. Great oil well noises, w/ songbirds & wind in the background!
If you like the sound of the 909, try the ECM-959. A bit more directional, and claiming
frequency response of 80hZ - 20KhZ.
<0 \\ swsmith@ix.netcom.com Stan Smith Dallas, TX 'boo-cat'
(-() "I'm thinking of running away from show business
<0 // to join a home . . ." Overheard at rehearsal
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: Digital Sound Cards, Which one?..UGHHH!!!
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:11:41 -0800
>From: jpjpco <jpjpco@megsinet.net>
>Subject: Digital Sound Cards, Which one?..UGHHH!!!
>Reply-to: jpjpco@megsinet.net
>Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:48:14 -0600
>
>What are the 'top of the line' or industry standard digital sound cards
>with digital and analog 'in and outputs' for Windows 95? Also are
>there certain cards that are better at converting from 48 to 44.1?
>Friends of mine are telling me that not only do you need a good SCSI
>drive but also an external hard drive to make the system run smoother.
>Is the extra external hard drive necessary? Thanks for your help
>
>
>John
Take a look at http://www.digitalexperience.com/cards.html for a list of
cards that will do digital transfer more than adequately. You don't need a
"top of the line" card to do bit-for-bit transfers. (I would avoid the
Sound Blaster Live! card, since it does not do bit-for-bit transfers; it
resamples all inputs.) A card with both digital and analog I/O will cost
more, and since you have a DAT, you might not need it. Resampling costs
even more. If it fits your budget, go ahead and buy a card that does
resampling; but software can do a slightly better job, although it can seem
to take forever. When you find a card that looks like it fits your needs,
check the DAT Heads archives (at http://www.eklektix.com/dat-heads) to see
what people are saying about it. Also, avoid an ISA card if you can;
sometime within the next year, PC makers will simply stop making new PCs
with ISA slots.
Whether a SCSI hard disk is internal or external makes no difference.
They're the higher-performance drives, and they're also prohibitively
expensive for most people. IDE-type drives are more than adequate, but
they're also slow. (They're fast enough for transfering data to CD, but
they might test your patience when you're doing digital audio editing.)
Peace,
<> David
From: swsmith@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Re:Portable DAT Recorder Recommendation? Digest #760
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:16:47 -0600 (CST)
Anyone else 'see the elephant'? ;) Well, I thought it was funny. . . :|
=====================================================
From: GuySonic@aol.com
Subject: Re:Portable DAT Recorder Recommendation? Digest #760
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:33:56 EST
In a message dated 2/8/99 8:46:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, DAT-Heads-
Request@fedney.near.net writes:
<< ------------------------------
From: Gerry Morgan <gerrym@pobox.com>
Subject: Portable DAT Recorder Recommendation?
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:24:06 -0700 (MST)
Hello,
I'm planning to buy a DAT recorder <big snip>
<another big snip>
... will give much more satisfactory ambient stereo imaging, but at just a bit more mic noise
than the Neuron. . . . <and yet one more big snip>
==================================
. . .and the 1/30th of a second reflex response time is great . . .%^)
<0 \\ swsmith@ix.netcom.com Stan Smith Dallas, TX 'boo-cat'
() No mind? Never matter. - Descartes
<0 // No matter? Never mind. - Einstein
No mind? No matter. - Lao Tzu
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: computer cd burner setup
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:30:43 -0800
>From: Mark McHarg <MGM@symbionics.co.uk>
>Subject: RE: computer cd burner setup
>Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:03:51 -0000
>
>"Lutch, James JJ" <Lutch.James.JJ@bhp.com.au> asks about CDR
[snip]
>> What is the consequence of non-perfect DAE
>
>The main thing will be sector jitter. Imagine the music sliced up
>into chunks (sectors) of 1/75 second. When these are placed exactly
>end-to-end it looks just like the original. Sector jitter causes a
>few inserted or deleted samples at the sector edges. Do it once and
>no one will notice. But make copies-of-copies, each generation
>introducing little discontinuities and it can't be good.
It's for this reason that I now put .0267 seconds worth (about two frames)
of silence at the beginning of every program (NOT every track). I figure
that almost no CD-ROM drive will clip off two frames of audio, but maybe a
few samples; and almost no one will notice that the beginning of the CD has
a brief blip of silence. If I put more than one DAT on CD, I put that much
silence at the beginning of that as well. Also, that way if someone does
DAE on just the first part of the CD but not for the second DAT, they can't
get a brief, annoying loud clip of the second DAT. :)
A much more annoying (and unfortunately very common, and really
inexcusable) sign of bad DAE are clicks and pops in the program. If the DAE
speed can be set, turning it down until you get no clicks and pops will get
better results.
Peace,
<> David
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: mp3.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:34:42 -0800
>From: "Evan Lauber" <evn@mindspring.com>
>Subject: RE: DAT-Heads Digest #763
>Reply-To: <evn@iname.com>
>Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:35:09 -0500
[snip]
>www.mo3.com has a list of all cd players and their DAE speed
Uh, don't you mean http://www.mp3.com/ ? mo3.com, uh, isn't exactly for
digital audio. :)
Peace,
<> David
<> David
http://www.lightlink.com/drogers/
=============
"People, who eat people, are the loneliest people in the world!"
–Barbara Streisand, slightly skewed
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: help
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:16:34 -0500 (EST)
> It is an RCA to Mini, but the mini plug end has 3 bands
> instead of the normal 2.
It's called "tip/ring/ring/sleeve". (It might be easier to find under
that name; it's not standard, but it also isn't too nonstandard.)
Seth
From: GOLDBERG <goldberg@comm-plus.net>
Subject: looking for D5 or D6
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:50:50 -0500
anyone out there looking to sell a sony D5 or D6?
if so let me know.
later-
-mike
From: Ray Peck <rpeck@no-spam-rpeck.com>
Subject: Scandinavian folk upcoming live and on radio
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:57:17 -0800 (PST)
I just found out that the amazing Finnish fiddle band JPP will be on the
radio on Mountain Stage (an NPR show) on 21feb99. In addition, JPP,
Vasen, and other great Scandinavian folk bands are doing a bunch of
shows mainly on the (US) east coast but also at the Albuquerque NM Folk
Alliance festival in NYC, Chicago, Bloomington and Durham (see
http://www.noside.com/text_culture.html for more info).
Needless to say, I'm posting in hope of someone taping. If you like
high-energy acoustic music, please check these folks out, and send me
email as noted below. Thanks! Plenty to trade in return.
==========
Note: my email address is hacked as an anti-spam measure.
Please remove the 'no-spam-' to reply to me. Sorry for the inconvenience.
======================================================================
"If my 32 years of applied thought, experience and observation have
taught me anything, it's that learning from observation is less
painful than learning from experience, and just as edifying."
- Steve Albini
From: allan chen <kaiyen@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: tapers in NM and AZ for D&T shows
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:00:26 -0800
hey guys,
My friends have 1 extra ticket for the New Mexico (Alberquerque -sorry for
spelling) and Arizona (Phoenix) Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds acoustic
shows. Seats are in 4th row in NM and within the first 15 in AZ, I
_think_. I'm asking for my friends, so I'm not 100% sure.
The crowds have been rowdy, but they're still great shows. If anyone is
interested in buying these tickets from my friends to tape, e-mail me and
we'll talk about it. I'm my friends' "taping contact," since I'm the only
taper they know well :-)
thanks for the bw,
allan chen
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