DAT-Heads Digest #768
Contents:
a smart n friendly saga (Jazdout@aol.com)
Re: Digital Sound Cards, Which one?..UGHHH!!! (James Treworgy)
Dave and Tim in Charleston SC (Csberend@aol.com)
ISO VH US Fest (DeMatt Harkins)
Extra Bob & Rob Friday ticket to trade (TMSDAT@aol.com)
HHb Portadat PDR 1000 (Caesar S Carnevale)
interesting ebay post (Steven Kingsley)
DAT newbie looking for a B&P please? (mburgio@statestreet.com)
Mystery Hendrix Tape???? (Kkc414@aol.com)
CDR ("Darren Murtha")
re: cable question ("Marc Nutter")
Re: Matrix capabilities of the DAP-1 (swsmith@ix.netcom.com)
Erasing DATs? ("clnln@thecore.com")
Walter Trout (Steve Marshall)
Soundboard distortion in recording ("clnln@thecore.com")
DAO, DAE, M-O-U-S-E (CDR content only) ("Larry Millett")
Sepultura/Biohazard Taping Policy? (Arnold Leal)
EE TAPE TREE Closes 2/14 (Casey WIlhm)
Trades? (benjamin cho)
moe. problems...need an answer... (PanicWSP@aol.com)
From: Jazdout@aol.com
Subject: a smart n friendly saga
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:24:07 EST
Well in my ongoing effort to solve this problem
i have gotten a few tips of advice and tried a few things my self.
I thought maybe the problem i having was related to EZ CD creator.
I tried WINCD and strange enough burned an audio cd on the first time out.
It was the second time that the problems started.
The CDR (SAF 4012) would indicate that it was searching for data.
Then i would get na error that WINCD was unable to set the recording speed or
something like that. Than upon trying to close out the program it would
freeze.
Sooo. I don't think its the burner or the program but the drivers running the
CDR.
Any one out thier using a SAF external SCSI 4012 what ver. of Firmware are you
using w/ what adaptech scsi driver.?
thanks
Pete
sorry for lack of dat content. But you people are so dam helpful and
knowledgeable
this is the best place for me to look to advice. THNX again.
From: James Treworgy <jamie@treworgy.com>
Subject: Re: Digital Sound Cards, Which one?..UGHHH!!!
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:37:14 -0800
"David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com> writes:
>Whether a SCSI hard disk is internal or external makes no difference.
>They're the higher-performance drives, and they're also prohibitively
>expensive for most people. IDE-type drives are more than adequate, but
>they're also slow. (They're fast enough for transfering data to CD, but
>they might test your patience when you're doing digital audio editing.)
This is simply untrue. There is very little performance difference between
IDE and SCSI hard disks of the same internal data transfer rate. The
difference between SCSI hard disks and IDE hard disks is the interface -
nothing more, nothing less. There may have been a time when
higher-performing drives were not available in IDE versions but this is not
the case today. Your speed is primarily limited by factors that have
nothing to do with the interface, e.g. rotational speed, interleave, seek
speed.
An IDE interface requires CPU cycles to control it. A SCSI interface does
not. The result is that IDE hard drives drain system resources. But the
degree to which this affects performance in a single-user workstation is
minimal - and I guarantee you that any time you spend waiting for your hard
disk, either IDE or SCSI, on a PC faster than about a Pentium 60, will be
because of the physical limitations of the hard disk itself, be it SCSI or
IDE, not because you've run out of CPU cycles.
The primary advantage of a SCSI drive comes in multiuser environments
because the interface is designed to process requests in such a way as to
minimize head seek time. But in a single user environment, particularly
audio editing where you'll simply be copying big files around, this offers
little benefit for the large price premium. That is, there's not enough
complexity in the type of hard disk activity to benefit from this. You
won't be actually accessing more than a couple files at once. Far better
to get two IDE hard disks - so your large file transfers occur between two
disks, eliminating head seek time altogether.
Jamie
From: Csberend@aol.com
Subject: Dave and Tim in Charleston SC
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:14:37 EST
I am seeking a patch in charleston tomorrow night... Will anyone be running a
rig?
From: DeMatt Harkins <dharkins@tra.net>
Subject: ISO VH US Fest
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:01:35 -0800
I'm looking for a complete copy of the Van Halen '83 US Festival
set than has been copied from CD. Thanks.
DeMatt
From: TMSDAT@aol.com
Subject: Extra Bob & Rob Friday ticket to trade
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:02:10 EST
Hi All,
I have one extra ticket to Bob & Rob @ Wetlands this Friday to trade for a
ticket for Sat or Today.
-Tom Sweeney
From: Caesar S Carnevale <caesar43@earthlink.net>
Subject: HHb Portadat PDR 1000
Reply-To: caesar43@earthlink.net
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:16:27 -0500
Hey everyone,
Sorry if this has been spoken about already, but I was wondering what
type of cable(s) would be best for patching with this deck? Do I need a
7 pin to patch from a Sony, or do I just need an RCA monster type cable,
or a XLR to RCA?
Thanks in advance,
-caesar
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Caesar S. Carnevale "It's very easy to be creative in ten different
directions at once but generally only one
e-mail: idea applies at that moment and should be
caesar43@earthlink.net the one you've been working with all
along"
Gordon Willis
tape list:
http://members.tripod.com/~caesar43/index.html
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From: Steven Kingsley <steven@airsys.net>
Subject: interesting ebay post
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:21:19 -0500
I got a chuckle outta this & had to point it out.- SK
==
XTC Advances Selling For $90 On eBay.com
XTC fans are having a heyday on eBay. The band's
forthcoming TVT album, Apple Venus Vol. I, won't see
the light of day in stores until Feb. 23, but you can
find a promo version of it on www.eBay.com, the
Internet auction house, for anywhere between $30 and
$90.
Ten promo copies of the album -- most of which were
only distributed within the music industry itself --
have gone for a total of $513 since the end of
January. The promo CDs lack liner notes, finished
artwork, or even a jewel box.
Despite realizing that he is losing potential income
from the illegal sales, XTC frontman Andy Partridge
sees the lighter side of the issue. "It's a perverse
form of flattery, really," says Partridge. "In a way
it's bootlegging, so I guess everyone shelling out
these dollars owes me a pint!"
- Kevin Raub - Music Boulevard -
Full story at...
http://p0.com/r.d?7B0hoy33E=musicblvd/cgi-bin/tw/0_0_dynamic/allstarnews/hea
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From: mburgio@statestreet.com
Subject: DAT newbie looking for a B&P please?
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:05:24 -0500
I just recently obtained a D8 and I only have 3 shows as of yet. I
have been somewhat blownaway at the quality of DAT as most of you can
relate to thinking back to when you began listening to DATs. Anyways,
I am looking for any kind tapers that have D>D capability to do a B&P
or two from your list.
I would be very grateful and I promise to spread the music since my
friend has a DA-20, so we will be able to clone once we get the
required cables.
Email me if you can help me out.
Thanks,
Marco
From: Kkc414@aol.com
Subject: Mystery Hendrix Tape????
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:45:17 EST
I just received a clone of a Hendrix tape and I'm trying to identify it. The
tape is labeled "Acoustic Home Recording 1968". I couldn't find anything in
the Hendrix data bases on the net. The recording is of Jimi alone with an
acoustic guitar at first and plays some nice mellow tunes. I don't have the
set list, but he played a very nice version of "hear my train a comin'". He
later switches to an electric guitar, played very clean, with no distortion.
Throughout the tape you can hear papers ruffling and I think the telephone
rings a time or two. The sound quality is very nice, which leads me to
believe the dat was transfered from an analog tape that was close to the
master.
Any ideas on what this might be?
Thanks,
Kevin
From: "Darren Murtha" <dmurtha@earthlink.net>
Subject: CDR
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:42:23 -0600
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From: "Marc Nutter" <sncsns@henge.com>
Subject: re: cable question
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:03:52 -0700
>From: Kristian Allen <kjallen@acsu.buffalo.edu>Subject: Cable question
>Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:17:43 -0500 (EST)Hello,
> I have a cable question for those in the know. I recently purchased a
>pair of Oade's ProLink Standard 100 monster XLR -> XLR cable. If I run my
>Nak 300's to a BeyerDynamic MV100 with the mics _off_ and listen through
>the line out jack on the MV100 with the 60 dB setting I can just barely
>hear a faint radio station (The beyer by its lonesome does not produce
>any radio stations that I can hear). Obviously this is not a desired sound
>effect and would most likely be masked by loud music if recording a
>concert or what not, but I'd rather not want to have it on the back of my
>mind. My question is, should I return the pair and purchase a pair of
>Audio Magic cables? Would this solve my cosmic radio station problem? Any
>other suggestions? Thanks for the help.Kristian
Hi Kristian and all,
The problem you are describing is quite rare as we have never heard of this
with the equipment you have identified. Typically, the biggest problem we
see with Nak mics is simply low batteries, which may result in hiss.
While we are quite fond of Audio Magic cables here at Sonic Sense, I can not
gaurantee that they would solve your problem. I would expect that the
Monster Cables are equally well shielded. Nonetheless, it does sound like
you are having a problem with RF interference and inadequate shielding is
often the source of this. Perhaps a cable change, whether to Audio Magic or
not, would at least help you the problem.
As we have sold quite a few MV100's and Nak CM-300's to be used together, I
don't think the solution will require transformers, although is it well
understood that unbalanced lines are more susceptible to EMI, RF, and other
extraneous noise problems.
Please let me know how I may assist with any future recording needs.
BTW, don't miss our Mardi Gras sale on microphones, cables, pre-amps, a/d
converters, DAT and CD recorders. 5-25% savings on many items. Details
will be posted on our website soon.
Marc
Marc Nutter
Sonic Sense
P.O. Box 61141
Denver, CO 80206
(303) 698-1296
http://www.henge.com/~sncsns
From: swsmith@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Matrix capabilities of the DAP-1
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:15:57 -0600 (CST)
You wrote:
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From: "Aashish" <amody@cbsinc.com>
Subject: Matrix capabilities of the DAP-1?
Reply-To: "Aashish" <amody@cbsinc.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:22:30 -0500
Hi all, I received this from a friend of mine and was wondering if anyone
has any input regarding matrix capabilities of the DAP-1:
The da-p1 from tascam will take 4 imputs at once. you can use the 2 xl
inputs for mics and the rca inputs for a sdb feed. the da-p1 is supposed to
do the matrix mix for you.
Wouldn't time delay be a factor in this?
===========================================
Yep. . .you'd probably want a controlled delay on the SBD feeds, w/ the time in mS settings
equal to the actual _measured_ delay of the room you're in. Rule of thumb, 1 mS = 1'0" distance, in
dry still air. (YMMV, depending on local humidity, temperature, & time of day...no lie!)
<0 \\ swsmith@ix.netcom.com Stan Smith, Dallas, TX 'boo-cat'
=) "I wonder if I can get a battery to make this CD-R portable?"
<0 //
From: "clnln@thecore.com" <clnln@thecore.com>
Subject: Erasing DATs?
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:17:31 -0500
Hello DAT-Heads... I'd like to know if DATs can be erased and used
over without the problems that re-using analog tape causes. I'm
asking because I'm going to need to record a radio broadcast when
I'm not at home, so I'll need to leave it recording for the entire
length of the tape. I'll be transferring the radio show to CD-R
anyway, so it seems like a shame to waste a whole tape for a ~30
minute show. How would I go about erasing that tape? Thanks.
Christopher
clnln@thecore.com
http://www.thecore.com/~clnln/
From: Steve Marshall <nightowl@stlnet.com>
Subject: Walter Trout
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:19:17 -0600
Anyone taping Walter on the current tour? I'm planning on checking out the
show tomorrow night & I'd like to know how long the sets have been, if
possible.
Thanks!
Steve
From: "clnln@thecore.com" <clnln@thecore.com>
Subject: Soundboard distortion in recording
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:22:52 -0500
Hello again, I have one more question. I recently recorded an
acoustic guitarist via his RCA analog outputs on his soundboard.
It wasn't a big fancy soundboard, by any means... it was more of
a portable mixer. There was a set of drums (not regular drums,
but some type that one plays with their hands), the guitar, and
his vocals miked. The levels peaked on my Sony M1 at about 1 dB.
I guess I got lucky that it didn't hit 0! I had the signal going
into the M1's analog input, at the Line In setting, with the
recording knob at about 6.5 or 7.
My question is this. At anything above 4 dB or so, there is a
small amount of distortion in the sound. Why is this happening?
Is it just because of his mixer, which we actually had to hit to
get it to turn on before the show? Or did I do something wrong
recording it? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Christopher
clnln@thecore.com
http://www.thecore.com/~clnln/
From: "Larry Millett" <lmillett@anet-stl.com>
Subject: DAO, DAE, M-O-U-S-E (CDR content only)
Reply-To: "Larry Millett" <lmillett@acm.org>
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:03:09 -0600
I've seen a lot of posts recently on DATHeads and GDH regarding CDR
software. I've burned a lot of CDRs over the past year or so, and the two
crucial features for trading music CDRs are
* Disk At Once (DAO) burns, and
* Accurate Digital Audio Extraction (DAE).
DAO is a hardware issue. A few older drives do not support DAO; I'm not
aware of any current models that do not support DAO. If your drive supports
DAO, make sure you know how to accomplish DAO burns with your software.
Accurate digital audio extraction (DAE) is the hardest part of cloning CDRs.
Inaccurate DAE manifests as pops and clicks and missing chunks on cloned
CDRs. The most frustrating aspect is that most DAE software will report
successful extraction even with a wildly inaccurate read. This means that
you must do silly things like repeated extractions until you get two
identical files.
Some time ago on DATHeads, I saw a post describing a program called Exact
Audio Copy which reads audio bits like data (wow, just like a computer!).
The program is available for a postcard at
http://studserver.uni-dortmund.de/~su0165/eac.html, and provides accurate
DAE from (almost) any CDR or CD-ROM drive. It dynamically adjusts extract
speed in 0.1x increments to get the best possible speed while still
guaranteeing accuracy. With my Plextor UltraPlex, I consistently get
extraction speeds of 4x to 5x. A $39 40x CD-ROM will probably have an
effective extraction speed of 0.2x (YMMV).
EAC includes a rudimentary WAV editor, and generates Cues sheets for CDRWin.
I used Adaptec for all my cloning for months, and it's basically good, but
it simply does not guarantee accurate clones. I recently switched to EAC
and CDRWin, and I now feel confident that all my clones are 100% accurate.
As far as I know, EAC is the only software available to guarantee 100%
accurate DAE. Very highly recommended. Win95/Win98/NT only.
From: ALEAL@webtv.net (Arnold Leal)
Subject: Sepultura/Biohazard Taping Policy?
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:20:17 -0600 (CST)
Just wondering if anyone knows if Sepultura and Biohazard are taper
friendly. They are coming to town and i was just curious
thanks
Arnold
From: Casey WIlhm <cwilhm@gte.net>
Subject: EE TAPE TREE Closes 2/14
Reply-To: cwilhm@gte.net
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:23:55 -0600
hiya all,
I have designated Sunday February 14, 12:01pm (Happy Valentine's Day!) as when
this tree will close. In <3 days, the tree has already grown larger than
anticipated, but this is certainly a good thing. I think growing the tree for
only 5 days is still within reason.
To all you D>D leaves, I am looking for more. Patch in to this most
kaleidoscopic tree!
To all those who have already rooted yourselves, can't wait for you to get this
tape.
have fun and freak madly,
casey
Welcome to the Einstein Electric Tape Tree Signup
> Is everybody ready for some space dancin?
>
> The show is 1/16/99 II from The Brown Bear Brewery, Lawrence, KS. The
> setlist is
>
> Possum ->
> The Magician ->
> Cosmic Imperative->
> The Magician ->
> Cosmic Imperative
>
> Side B
> Enter the Moon ->
> Drums ->
> Fire Makes the Rhino Run
>
> Filler (from Set I):
>
> Flying Pann
> Celestial Vibration
> =================
>
> If you haven't heard these guys yet, it's high time to put your ear
> against the ground.
>
> NOTE to D>A Branches: I will randomly pick one of you guys and provide
> a free dat & postage. This offer is not weighted by the number of
> leaves you can handle. All D>A are eligible.
>
> The Set fits on a 90min analog/ 60m Dat. The highlight is a 41minute
> Mag>Cos>Mag>Cos that melts the ears. Hope you enjoy!!
>
> To get on this tree, REPLY BY EMAIL to cwilhm@gte.net, *not* to the
> newsgroup. Leave the subject as it is in the header of this message.
> Fill
> out the following form. Please do *not* copy this entire message in your
>
> reply, just the form.
>
> _____________________________________________________________________________
>
> (cut here)
>
> e-mail address:
> name:
> snail mail address:
> leaf or branch:(Branches make copies for others, Leaves don't)
> If Branch, how many copies will you make:
> If Branch, describe your equipment:
> Comments:
>
> (cut here)
> _____________________________________________________________________________
>
> Preference will be given to those willing to make more copies, but it is
>
> important that you turn your tapes around in a reasonable time-span.
> Don't
> sign up to make 10 copies if you're not going to be able to follow
> through. There should be at least five times as many leafs as branches
> to make
> it worth treeing anyway, and the only "purpose" of the tree is to get
> the tapes out
> to as many people as possible.
>
> This tree will close within a reasonable amount of time.
>
> HAVE A GOOD DAY!!!
From: benjamin cho <bcho1@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Trades?
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:43:21 -0600 (CST)
Hi everyone,
Just wondering if anyone out there feels like working a trade- I got my
2nd deck a couple weeks ago and want to do some spinning!
Mainly looking for Dead 68', 72-75, late 79, HQ Jazz (especially electric
Miles!), and bluegrass (esp w/ Jerry: Old& In the Way, Great Am. String
Band, Grisman collaborations, etc.) Oh yeah, any smokin' String Cheese or
Slip shows are also quite welcome :-)
YLGM.
Have a great day!
Ben
From: PanicWSP@aol.com
Subject: moe. problems...need an answer...
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:41:57 EST
Dear Friends...
I haven't seen this post come through. so sorry if it is a repeat....here
goes...
would love to get this problem under control before i tape moe. friday
night....
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Dear Friends...
I am the proud new owner of Sennheiser ME 64 cardiods. I taped Bela at the
HOB at myrtle beach friday night (first night running a rig...and damn was it
fun) my tapes came out o.k. i guess...but i have a few problems i would like
to get worked out before i tape moe. in Charelston Friday night. I ran the
Sennheisers straight into my D-100 and my peaks were around -4db. My tapes
came out kind of tinny on the high end with touches of distortion sounding
noise. The bass was perfect, tight and you could feel it in your chest. I
didn't run the bass roll off on the mic caps. and I went mic in with the 20
db pad on the d-100. So my quandry is....what do i need to do to get my tapes
"right"? I was thinking maybe i should go line in to avoid the distortion on
the high end? or were my levels too high? I never came close to 0db...but
the decks that patched out of me were all around 12db or slightly higher. so
my levels were higher than theirs...but no where near topping out. Was this
"brickwalling? or was it just the crappy pre-amp on my D-100 and I would
benefit by cutting it out by going line in? Another option i thought of was
the mics possibly running hot straight from the Sennheisers....a guy there
told me to send them back and get them turned down....but he didn't have to do
that for sometime when he got his....it eventually became a problem....so any
suggestions? Please tell me I am doing something wrong, and they aren't my
mics...'cause I am not happy with the tapes I made. I was about 25 feet from
the stage, dead center on the floor.
Also, i have some weird noises on the tapes when people would bump my stand
(The HOB oversells that place everytime by about 400 people) how much do
shock mounts cut that out? It seems like they would help, but do they totally
take that out? or is it mostly from vibrations from the music? How much can
i expect to pay for shockmounts for my Sennheisers?
If you could respond to me that would be great...i want to get some feed back
before i tape moe. i would love to come away from that show with nice
tapes....
blue skies...
kevin
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