DAT-Heads Digest #776
Contents:
Vendor for DATport? (Tom Doub)
Huh? Cheap shot at Japan by Dale. (Jonathan Haynes)
RE: Get this BOOTLEGGING SHIT OFF DAT-HEADS (Earlehead@aol.com)
CD Duplicators? ("Joe Shaw")
Sessions @ West 54th, Manic Street Preachers wanted (Olympian90@aol.com)
Re: datport ("David D. Rogers")
DAT Heads Flame list ("David D. Rogers")
Re: Cables, Confusion (RWShepherd@aol.com)
Squeeze on DAT (Drew Matich)
Re: DAT to WAV transfer (jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk)
Bela Fleck Flynn Theatre, Vt (DMBDREAM@aol.com)
ISO: GD, 2.14.86 DSBD (Ccm2871@aol.com)
Extra 8.2.97, 8.12.98 Phish (YaMar2001@aol.com)
Bootlegging (Dave M)
ISO: Imogen Heap supporting Rufus Wainwright ("Drew Harrington")
Jazz infos ("Alfredo")
cable prob and phish question ("jesse volner")
Info on Bowery Ballroom in NYC wanted (willard robinson)
Re:datport Digest #775 (GuySonic@aol.com)
Need Philly Taper 3/13/99 (Edward B McGrath)
Anyone dealt with Repair Master? (DROGERS912@aol.com)
From: Tom Doub <thomas.w.doub@vanderbilt.edu>
Subject: Vendor for DATport?
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:43:15 -0600
OK, I've decided to give up on waiting for the stupid Montego digi-I/O
daughterboard... where can I buy a DATport and what is a competitive price?
Tom
From: Jonathan Haynes <biscuit@gol.com>
Subject: Huh? Cheap shot at Japan by Dale.
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:55:50 +0900
>it's all relative to your playback system. japanese mass market stereo
>degrade the sound far too much to be able to reveal the subtle differences
>between 2 cables sonic characteristics.
>dale shepherd
Not to pursue this any further than to say, Dale, most of the good stuff
you get is probably from Japan, too. Yes, there are lots of SHWAG products
in Japan, but there are also a huge number of true audiophile items, too.
You may be referring to the situation about 25 years ago... Just couldn't
resist that comment. JH
From: Earlehead@aol.com
Subject: RE: Get this BOOTLEGGING SHIT OFF DAT-HEADS
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:18:59 EST
From: willard robinson <willr@star.net>
Subject: Get this BOOTLEGGING SHIT OFF DAT-HEADS
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 08:59:11 -0500
The hypocracy of this list is only matched by the stupidity of some
of its members.
This is not a 'report bootlegers list' - if someone wants to sell you music
I could really give a crap - whining to the list is not what this forum is
all about. If you don't want to buy his music just say NO - deriving
sympathy/
self importance by obnoxious posts to this list only increase its noise
and PISS ME OFF!!!
The RIAA would shut this whole list down if they thought they could, and
anyone who thinks they are friends or thinks it is ok to 'narc' others out
should do so on their own twisted moral grounds and not the 'music is free'/
'distract them from what we are doing' shit. If you feel so inclined KEEP
IT OFF THIS LIST!
If you think that bootlegging is morally wrong then I suggest you give me
all your dats that were taped of bands who do not allow taping and stealth
equipment. If you think that it is ok to stealth, but not bootleg then I
guess we are dealing with an 'illegalitites' spectrum that is probably too
far past your intellectual abilities to debate here (and again off topic).
Fact is that bootleggers have always helped circulate music, and that is
a FACT.
So please - just keep it to yourself, this whole eBay topis is a joke too -
"Hello FBI - I would like to report illegal Depeche Mode cds being sold
on eBay", man, I thought that was a _joke_ and I now believe it was not,
which just shows how stupid this list has become....
Can we get back to taping and trading now?
Will
hellllllll yeeeaaaahhhh! let the trading begin! :-)
scott
From: "Joe Shaw" <joeshaw41@hotmail.com>
Subject: CD Duplicators?
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:39:26 PST
Just wondering what are the high quality stand alone cd duplicators for
copying both analog and computer cds? Is it just TASCAM and PHILLIPS?
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From: Olympian90@aol.com
Subject: Sessions @ West 54th, Manic Street Preachers wanted
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:52:54 EST
I'm looking to see if anyone has the following Sessions at West 54th shows:
PJ Harvey/Holly Cole/Neil Finn/Fiona Apple.
Please get in touch if you do.
Also, I'm after FMs or outstanding AUD DAT tapes of the Manics, especially the
98/99 tour.
All The Best.
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: datport
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:03:42 -0800
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>Subject: datport
>Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:34:36 -0500
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>I just got the Datport. Installation was very easy. But it isn't =
>working! I am using a D7 with the Oades coaxial cable. The green light =
>does not appear indicating that it is not recieving any digital audio. =
>Is there something I should know? Any help is greatly appreciated.
Aside from a driver problem or the possibility that you're not using
Windows 98 (probably unlikely, since the green light's not on), it could be
that the D7 doesn't send enough voltage to the DATport. The D7/D8's voltage
is famously lower than what the standard is. This causes problems such as
this (where the recieving equipment doesn't detect a signal at all), and
with some equipment it sounds like dropouts (the sound is muted at parts).
I assume Sony did this to cut battery drain, and they lowered the S/PDIF
output voltage even further on the D100/M1.
If that's the case, there's unfortunately no easy solution for it. The
easiest (semi-readily-available) solution I can think of is to use two
digital format converters, and that's kind of expensive--one to convert the
coax to optical (assuming that converter accepts the D7's voltage), and
another to convert the optical to coax. You could also unload this DATport
(will the place that sold it to you take it back if it doesn't work as
advertised?), wait for the DATport with optical I/O, and use a compatable
digital format converter, or the Sony RMD3K or its replacement (what's that
model number?) to get an optical output. That's kind of expensive as well.
Core Sound (http://www.core-sound.com) sells digital format converters for
about $70, and Len should be able to set you straight about D7 compatability.
A less readily-available, but simpler solution would be to use an Audio
Alchemy DTI, which was designed to reduce digital jitter. I got mine for
less than $100 a couple of years ago at closeout (basically to overcome
SCMS, which I don't use it for anymore), and I've used it to plug my D7
into my Philips DCC-900 DCC deck. My DCC-900 wouldn't accept the D7
voltage, but the DTI would, and it sent a standard-voltage coax signal to
the DCC-900. If you can get one at a reasonable price ($100 or less, IMHO),
this may be an ideal solution.
Of course, there's the possibility that I'm all wrong about this, and
someone posts that they've been able to plug a D7 directly into a DATport
with great success.
Peace,
<> David
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: DAT Heads Flame list
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:36:45 -0800
Back when I was on GEnie, I occasionally used the Science Fiction and
Fantasy RoundTable's bulletin board. I was impressed by one feature they
created to cut the impact of flamewars--they created a separate bulletin
board for them. The managers could move entire blocks of posts from one
category and put them in another. This allowed people to continue their
flamewars without censorship and with only a slight interrpution, and it
kept their regular bulletin boards brimming with thoughtfull discussion.
The more I see the bootlegging flamewars on this list, the more brilliant
the SF&F RoundTable's formula looks. Of course, there's no way that Seth or
anyone else can simply move flames to a place that only people who want to
read them can see them, but there are still things that can be done.
I hereby propose the creation of a DAT Heads flame list, in an attempt to
keep as many flames off this list. If someone posts a flame that absolutely
has to be responded to, the person can post to this list that they're
responding on the flame list, and keep the conversation in there. If that
doesn't happen, someone else can make helpfull suggestion to the flamers to
move their discussion there. Most of the "debates" here are basically
flamewars, which generally poisons the air. A lot of people want to respond
to posts that they see as off-base, but many can't seem to do it without
resorting to insults. (Yes, I know--I've posted my share of flames, too.)
Even though we can't teach people manners or the finer points of debating,
we can do a lot to at least move those posts off this list. Even non-flame
responses to a flame would be appropriate for such a list, since they tend
to accumulate almost as badly as flame responses. Anyone who wants to take
part in the raging debate/flamewar can participate in a forum where
everyone can read their points, and by someone (hopefully, only the poster
making the first response) posting an anouncement that the discussion has
moved to DAT Heads Flame, everyone knows they have an opportunity to read
their comments. No one has to continue it on DAT Heads; everyone has the
opportunity to read it, should they choose to do so. Those that choose not
to do so can easily avoid reading the flames, and fewer digests are sent
out that are full of flames. I propose this not to encourage flaming (I
hope this would make people think twice before making or responding to a
flame, and use more care when posting to DAT Heads in general), but as a
safety valve.
Comments or suggestions in regards to this post are welcome.
Peace,
<> David
From: RWShepherd@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cables, Confusion
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 04:10:03 EST
Klay said:
>Please don't cheap out on your interconnects, we are dealing with video
>frequencies here.
As a follow up to Klay's cable post, could I use an audio switching box, such
as the Niles TSB-3 tape deck switching box, to switch between SPDIF coaxial
ins and outs on DATs, MDs, or CDRs? If not, what types of problems might I
encounter?
Are there devices specifically for switching coaxial digital signals (which
hopefully also include SPDIF optical switching too)?
Thanks,
Rob
From: Drew Matich <dmatich@pacbell.net>
Subject: Squeeze on DAT
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:15:17 -0800
Has anyone out there taped the current Squeeze tour, which ends on Sunday
in San Francisco?
Let me know...I'll respond with my list.
best,
dm
From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: DAT to WAV transfer
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 99 11:29:00 GMT
Message written at 13 Feb 1999 11:34:33 +0000
--- Copy of mail to SNDjmv@aol.com ---
I use an SGI Python DAT which has firmware to read audio DAT on the
computer. Actually it is the only Audio DAT to which I have access.
I have transferred pieces from DAT to CD using that and my crude S&F
2006 on Windows95/P166.
As far as I am aware this is still the only computer DAT drive with
audio, and the programs are SGI only, although someone else on this
mailing list was working on software for PC.
==John ffitch
From: DMBDREAM@aol.com
Subject: Bela Fleck Flynn Theatre, Vt
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:50:04 EST
If anyone is planning on taping this show...I am looking for a patch..I would
be useing a MD..I am coming up from Ct..so if you can help me out it would
great..please e-mail me at DMBDREAM@aol.com
Thanx,
Dan
From: Ccm2871@aol.com
Subject: ISO: GD, 2.14.86 DSBD
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:20:37 EST
Hey All,
I have a copy of this show already, however mmy copy has become riddled with
dropouts. And I cant remember who I got it from. My source is listed as
DSBD>Sv-3700. Can any one help me with a replacement. Aside from the
dropouts, the sound quality is fantastic.
Thanks,
Chris <Ccm2871@aol.com>
From: YaMar2001@aol.com
Subject: Extra 8.2.97, 8.12.98 Phish
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:32:01 EST
Hey Guys,
I messed up when I posted yesterday. The extra shows I have are 8.2.97 and
8.12.98 not 8.13. Again, both shows are on Maxell tapes and sound terrific.
Both Schoeps sources. I'm looking for mmw or Phish in return.
First to mail me with the request, and a link to their list gets em
Peace
Brent
I wouldn't mind giving one show to one person, and the other show to another
person... that works fine.
From: Dave M <dm@cyberspace.org>
Subject: Bootlegging
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:56:15 -0500 (EST)
I agree 100% with those who say that there are a lot of hypocrites on this
list. To the person who said that the "majority" of his list was
comprised of tapes that were allowed to be recorded by the artist: what
about that minority?? Who is calling the kettle black?
You don't like bootlegs? Fine, don't buy them, don't trade them. Just
don't tell me what to do.
Oh and send all those illegally obtained dats my way when you are
"purifying" your collection.
From: "Drew Harrington" <drewh@bitwise.com>
Subject: ISO: Imogen Heap supporting Rufus Wainwright
Reply-To: <drewh@bitwise.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:49:45 -0800
Hey all,
Please, would anyone planning on rolling for Rufus Wainwright on any of the
following dates also archive the opener, Imogen Heap. Imogen's a young woman
from London who performs her own frequently emotional, sometimes humorous
popish songs voice and piano. Stealth will be required.
Much interesting and diverse non-dead/phish to trade. Or I'll owe you a
local SF taping of your choice - including stealth.
Thanks for the Bandwidth, TIA,
Drew
Rufus Wainwright / Imogen Heap dates:
Tue 2nd March Valentines / Albany, NY
Wed 3rd March Supper Club / New York, NY
Fri 5th March Rosebud / Pittsburgh, PA
Mon 8th March Barrymore's Music Hall / Ottawa, ONT
Tue 9th March Trinity Centre / Toronto, ONT
Wed 10th March Theatre L'Olympia / Montreal, QUE
Fri 12th March Paradise / Boston, MA
Sat 13th March Met Cafe / Providence, RI
Sun 14th March 9:30 Club / Washington DC
Wed 17th March Theater of Living Arts / Philadelphia, PA
Sat 20th March 328 Performance Hall / Nashville, TN
Sun 21st March Variety Playhouse / Atlanta, GA
Tue 23rd March Bogarts (front room) / Cincinnati, OH
Sat 27th March Park West / Chicago, IL
Sun 28th March 7th House / Pontiac, MI
From: "Alfredo" <md2001@mclink.it>
Subject: Jazz infos
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:36:48 +0200
I am "expert" in Rock, blues, progressive and folk/country, but I know
little about Jazz .
In next week will play near to me
2/15
Fred Frith (I know he played w/Henry Cow)
2/17
OREGON
2/18
chris speed clarinet - brad shepik guitar
skuli sverrisson bass - jim black drum
3/3
ed neumeister - marc copland piano
bill drewes sax
mark feldman violin
drew gress bass
jamey haddad
drum
Any advice? Are good? They allowed taping?
Thank for infos
Alf
From: "jesse volner" <mentholiptus@hotmail.com>
Subject: cable prob and phish question
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:51:43 PST
Hello all,
I have a digital reciever(sony) that has 3 optical ins and one out. I
want the sony r500 DAT deck, but it only has spdif and coax. How do I
run these components together(MD, DAT, and the rest of my components)
and thru a new POWER MAC G3? I have no clue when it comes to connectors
and cables. I'm just getting started with a digital setup.
Also, if anyone is willing to do a b&p for the '98 phish shows in wisc
(madison and alpine valley) I would love you for it. I was supposed to
go with a friend but I had to work at 3am the next morning , couldn't
get the day off work, and i live in MN. I would be very grateful.
thanks,
jesse
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From: willard robinson <willr@star.net>
Subject: Info on Bowery Ballroom in NYC wanted
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:09:16 -0500
Could someone give me any insight on the Bowery Ballroom (i.e. taping
advice - this would be stealth and I am particularly interested in acoustics
and room/PA layout)....
tc
Will
From: GuySonic@aol.com
Subject: Re:datport Digest #775
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:30:31 EST
In a message dated 2/14/99 12:24:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, DAT-Heads-
Request@fedney.near.net writes:
<< ------------------------------
From: "Daniel Kantor" <dkantor@umich.edu>
Subject: datport
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:34:36 -0500
I just got the Datport. Installation was very easy. But it isn't =
working! I am using a D7 with the Oades coaxial cable. The green light =
does not appear indicating that it is not recieving any digital audio. =
Is there something I should know? Any help is greatly appreciated.
thanks,
Dan
>>
It may be working even without the transmission light showing or it may not
be working at all. Check that you have selected the USB audio device in
Windows multimedia or in the audio software 'options or preferences' window.
The DATport may require a true standard 75 ohm video type S/PDIF feed which
the Oade cable may not be providing.
Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard (& Debbie) Lombardo
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From: Edward B McGrath <sac19854@saclink.csus.edu>
Subject: Need Philly Taper 3/13/99
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:26:59 -0700 (PDT)
HI- subject says it all, I need a taper in the Philadelphia area to tape
a show for me. I am willing to pay for ticket, blanks and anything else
you need. The show is for a band called Lenola and they are playing at
the Khyber Pass 3/13/99. It is their CD release show. Please contact me
for more details- Thanks- Barin
From: DROGERS912@aol.com
Subject: Anyone dealt with Repair Master?
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:09:48 EST
I have a DA-20 that has a few problems, diagnosed as worn heads by Oades. I
purchased a warranty for the machine from Repair Master, but since the Oades
don't work with this warranty company, I'll need to look elsewhere. At least
until someone screws it up big time performing "warranty repairs".......Does
anyone have any success/failure stories that might help guide me to a decent
repair center that honors this warranty? Please e-mail if you don't feel like
this is pertinent to the entire forum. Thanks in advance-Douglas Rogers
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