DAT-Heads Digest #781
Contents:
recent dylan?? ("stephan brenowitz")
Tree Help? (Steven Kingsley)
looking for Tull and Procol Harum trades (RBERG51@aol.com)
Extra sigma battery for sale? (Eric Reichenbach)
recent moe. shows to trade ("Robert Franklin Gaines, III")
Bela Fleck tapers at Burlington 2/18-2/19/99 ("Sanford, Jeffrey")
B&P offer closed (Steve Marshall)
this is interesting (Makisupa35@aol.com)
Soundcard and resampling... ("Craig Hoffman")
Umphrey's McGee 2-13-99 Offer (John Joyce)
NewBe (Frank Castle)
Re: Soundcard and resampling... (Seth Breidbart)
missing Strawberries (Todd Denton)
bootegging essay (willard robinson)
"quiet" non-digital soundcards (allan chen)
Frank Zappa B&P (Shawn Michasiow)
re:repair master ("Lutch, James JJ")
From: "stephan brenowitz" <stephanb@neurophys.wisc.edu>
Subject: recent dylan??
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:16:12 -0600
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I was fortunate to be able to attend a recent Dylan show in Normal =
Illinois, and after seeing the show I am interested in trying to find a =
copy of this show (Feb. 13) or some other recent shows from this tour. I =
have a moderate amount (~100 hours) of Dylan as well as other DAT =
material to offer in trade....
If interested, email me at stephanb@neurophys.wisc.edu
Thanks!
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From: Steven Kingsley <steven@airsys.net>
Subject: Tree Help?
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:00:18 -0500
I would love to provide a seed for a tree of
Frogwings At Toad's Place - New Haven CT 2-12-99
It was Derek Trucks Birthday & This Show ROCKS!
It came out great, and I can't run a tree. Tried it once...
I admitt, I'm just no damn good at it. If someone wants to tree it
Please Lemme know!
The source is:
AKGC568EB's > Peavey PS2B > Denon DTR80-P
Steve
From: RBERG51@aol.com
Subject: looking for Tull and Procol Harum trades
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:01:35 EST
I have partial soundboards of JETHRO TULL (50 min) and PROCOL HARUM (30 min)at
the ISLE OF WIGHT 1970. I'm looking for other soundboards from that period.
I have most of the common stuff. Looking for the obscure. Will also trade
for other 60-70s bands. I also have Terry Reid, Tony Joe White and Kris
Kristoferon
thanks
Neil
From: Halfstep-2@webtv.net (Eric Reichenbach)
Subject: Extra sigma battery for sale?
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:03:10 -0500 (EST)
Before buying new, I thought I would check in here. I am looking for the
battery only, not a charger.
Thank you,
Eric
From: "Robert Franklin Gaines, III" <rfg4m@server2.mail.virginia.edu>
Subject: recent moe. shows to trade
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:05:30 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Hello all,
I recently did the whole east coast moe. tour (11
shows) and have masters of all the shows except Wetlands
and the second set of 9:30 Club(this i will have soon). I
multi-sourced the shows and have the following copies
Providence-->Athens,GA Schoeps CmC64->Lunatec V2->Dap-1
Providence-->9:30 Club Schoeps Tubes
Charlottesville,VA-->Athens, GA SBD matrix
I also have lots of Phish (old and new) to trade if anyone
is interested. Please email me privately(with your list
attached) at rfg4m@virginia.edu
Thanks,
Rob Gaines
From: "Sanford, Jeffrey" <Jeffrey.Sanford@fmr.com>
Subject: Bela Fleck tapers at Burlington 2/18-2/19/99
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:18:42 -0500
Hi all,
I was wondering if there were any tapers out there going to
either/both of the Flecktones shows at the Flynn Theater in Burlington, VT
on 2/18 and 2/19/99, this Thursday and Friday. I have a DA-P1 and I'd like
get a patch from someone's mics if possible.
Please respond to me personally if you're willing to provide a
patch. I'd like to have the logistics taken care of before the show(s).
Thanks,
-Jeff
Jeffrey.Sanford@fmr.com
http://www.tapetrading.com/lists/j/e/jeffrey.sanford@fmr.com.html (Phish)
http://www.tapetrading.com/lists/c/c/cc79085@fmr.com.html (all other bands)
From: Steve Marshall <nightowl@stlnet.com>
Subject: B&P offer closed
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:56:48 -0600
The Phish shows I offered for B&P (8/1/98 and 10/29/98) are now spoken for.
Thanks to all who replied...
Steve
Steve Marshall
Editor - The Night Owl
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From: Makisupa35@aol.com
Subject: this is interesting
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:07:02 EST
This was forwarded to me by a friend, I think you all will enjoy and
appreciate it.
peace
Kev
>>The curious creature called THE TAPER
>>
>>There is a curious species that you will often find wherever good music is
>>being played called the "taper". They tend to carry all of their earthly
>>possessions around with them and are very easy to spot on the street;
>>simply look for their stooped posture, perhaps a slight hunch to their
>>back, and occasionally they carry around large, metal rods. They usually
>>travel alone on "taper night" because their partners frequently do not
>>understand this genetic obsession, but upon reaching the venue of their
>>nightly ritual, they congregate and camouflage themselves wherever there
>>is a proliferation of wires and a high concentration of electricity. They
>>then begin to speak in tongues, of AKGs and DA-20mkIIs, and they all
>>worship something they call "phantom power".
>>
>>They then proceed to light their torches and hold them barbarically
>>between their teeth while unpacking their belongings. To the mass
>>entanglement of wires they add more - minis, stereos, RCA's, coaxials, and
>>occasionally the mighty XLR. Some speak of "seven-pin" connectors and
>>grumble about monopolies. Their collaborative skills are truly amazing
>>considering their seemingly low social status at these musical gatherings.
>>They want nothing to do with the performers and seem to shy away from the
>>light, preferring the area they refer to as simply the "soundboard". It is
>>rumored that this area is an altar of sorts; some "sound men" receive
>>extravagant gifts from tapers in exchange for a "patch". These gifts range
>>from small figurines to beverages from the local bar, but by and large the
>>most popular gift is something known as "bud", which apparently many
>>tapers are able to obtain in large quantities. And once the music begins,
>>they usually communicate with primitive hand gestures, rather than the
>>speech of which they are rumored to be capable. They will react swiftly
>>and decisively if an interloper insists upon anything but a whisper or
>>hushed comment.
>>
>>It is usually easy to tell if a taper has been at a particular venue by
>>the droppings and refuse it leaves behind. Most frequently one will find
>>plastic wrappings roughly the shape and size of a cassette tape, most of
>>the time labeled "Maxell". It is unknown why this seems to be the
>>preferred medium, despite the expiration of something referred to as the
>>"Max Points Program". Of late, in perhaps the last five to ten years or
>>so, musical anthropologists have found smaller wrappings about half this
>>size, also labeled Maxell or KAO or Sony. Not uncommon are used batteries
>>[these creatures seem to feed on them, leaving only the empty hulls
>>behind] and perhaps scraps of duct tape or electrical tape. This tape is
>>most probably used in some sort of strange bondage ritual where they each
>>take their metal rods, stand them up on end, and lash them to the ground
>>with adhesives. Then when the music has finished, they brutally rip them
>>up again and pack up, disappearing into the night. While they attempt to
>>socialize, security usually enforces something they call "curfew" and
>>hordes them out to the street, mistaking them for undesirables.
>>
>>However, despite their strange appearance and propensity for associating
>>only with their kind (for many are not willing to leave all of their
>>earthly possessions and take part in the ritual known as "grooving"), they
>>do not bite, nor are they usually mean to the casual observer, when
>>approached at the right times. If they are tending to their young on the
>>floor (usually indicated by a squatting position) - look out, they may be
>>recoiling for a strike. However, if they are standing and watching the
>>show intently, or conversing with one of their own species, it is
>>advisable to stand and listen for a while. The jargon may be foreign, but
>>one grows accustomed to it in time, and with practice, it is possible to
>>learn to speak like them. They gladly accept offerings of tapes, though
>>they are most prone to take them if they are properly prepared with the
>>ceremonial wrappings and addresses. Even more pleasing to them is the
>>inclusion of a reminder of when the show happened, for these creatures are
>>very busy individuals and cannot always process the offerings immediately.
>>
>>Do keep this in mind, however - it may be dangerous to associate for
>>longer periods of times with this species if you have a tendency to spend
>>large amounts of money. They are predators who move with the swiftness of
>>cheetahs when they see someone they wish to convert, even resorting to the
>>tactic of lending out their possessions in an attempt to increase the
>>population. Most tapers start local but soon develop voracious appetites,
>>and are forced to either increase their nightly activities or expand their
>>feeding circles. Lately they have taken to recruiting tapers in other
>>areas to satiate their tastes as they enter the downward spiral of musical
>>addiction.
>>
>>Conclusion: If you know where to look, you, too, may be able to find a
>>"taper" at your favorite band's concerts. Look for a conglomeration of
>>large metal rods, topped by microphones, or perhaps the mass of wires and
>>cables know as the "soundboard". Bring your offering prepared with the
>>proper markings and wrappings, and be quiet and patient as they work their
>>magic. If you are kind and inobtrusive, they will most likely be able help
>>you in your quest. Good luck!
From: "Craig Hoffman" <Craig.Hoffman@disney.com>
Subject: Soundcard and resampling...
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:35:24 -0800
===== "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com> wrote: =======================
>
> A card that
> offers real-time resampling is a good thing to have; it's also an expensive
> thing to have. (It converts 48 kHz DATs to 44.1 for CD, which is a
> time-intensive thing to do with software.)...{snip}.... And avoid the Sound
Blaster
> Live, unless you're only using it as a
> game card--it resamples all inputs, so what you record to your hard drive
> is never what you put into it.
I am a little confused about this resampling business. On one hand, it is
suggested here that a card that offers resampling is preferable, but then it
says to avoid the SB Live which does resampling. I understand that the SB Live
always resamples which may not be what is wanted, but wouldn't the Zefiro's
resampling from 48 to 44.1 kHz mess up the sound too?
What is the difference in quality between the Zefiro's resampling and the SB
Live's resampling?
Any light shed on this topic will be very appreciated.
Thanks,
(Uneducated buyer of SB Live before joining the list)
Craig
From: John Joyce <John.A.Joyce.18@nd.edu>
Subject: Umphrey's McGee 2-13-99 Offer
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:49:43 -0500
hello dat-heads
Well, given the fact that the band Umphrey's McGee is still a bit too
small for their own newsgroup, I thought dat-heads would be the best place
to make a large offer, DAT (and analog), of a great show they played
this Saturday here in South Bend. First let me quote Charlie Dirksen as
he talks about Umphrey's McGee:
[from: a book review of "JAM BANDS: North America's Hottest Live Groups"
by Dean Budnick]
"...These bands are all relatively new, and JAM BANDS probably went to
the publisher before info on them could be added. Without the author's
advance notice and consent, I am taking it upon myself to dutifully
supplement this book with the following few entries, which, though
organized in a manner similar to those in JAM BANDS, have a distinctly
different tone than the respectful, informative, pleasant-yet-serious
entries in the book....
...Umphrey McGee's music shares many similarities with other jam bands,
especially Phish, moe., and Widespread Panic, but they nevertheless
have their own unique sound. This is a band that you will wish left
their hometown of South Bend, Indiana more often. Definitely check
them out if you get the opportunity, and certainly buy their new CD, if
you are interested in hearing a powerful, young, new band. And I
mean it. Buy their CD! It's wonderful! Their song "Phil's Farm" is
apparently getting airplay in Indie, but, as you might expect, that's
not the only tune they have worthy of airplay. These guys could easily
be playing 1000+ seat venues all over the country, if only more
people knew about them. They have "Big Time Jam Band" all over their
sound."
DISCOGRAPHY
Greatest Hits Volume III (1998)
WEB SITE
http://www.nd.edu/~jroach/mcgee/
____________________________________________________________________________
_____________________________
So, this weekend I taped Umphrey's McGee at the Madison Oyster Bar
straight from the Soundboard > Their PCM-1 > my D8. Here is the show's
setlist:
February 13, 1999
Street Oyster Bar
I: Groove Holmes > Bob, Divisions, Canteloupe Woman, Much Obliged >
Hajemamashite jam, Don't Ask Me No Questions, August, Front Porch,
Rebubula (~1:30)
II. G-song > New Song > G-song, Hours > Phil's Farm > Spain > Pick Your
Nose, Kimble, Thin Air > Fool in the Rain, Celtic Alleluia, Avenue, Der
Bluten Kat, Baby Honey Sugar Darling, Hangover > Cissy strut > Hangover
(~2:02)
E: FF, All In Time (~2:02 II+E)
The show, which I taped onto DAT, takes 2x60 meter. It runs about 3:30+
so analoggers will need 3 tapes, probably 90s. One thing--the very
beginning of Groove Holmes is cut, but the rest of the tape is flawless,
with a peak right at 0.0dB. I really want to spread this show as much
as possible, thus all tapes will be dsbd/1, and all DAT clones will be
right from my master.
If you are interested in this offer, write an email to me at:
Joyce.18@nd.edu
with the subject line of either "Umphrey's McGee - 2-13-99 - DAT" or
"Umphrey's McGee - 2-13-99 - Analog". I will take as many people as
sign up. No one will be turned away. Signups will probably run to the
end of the week. I will send instructions on how to do B+P for this,
etc. Cool? COol. Fire away.
John Joyce
U. of Notre Dame
joyce.18@nd.edu
John A. Joyce
Joyce.18@nd.edu
http://www.nd.edu/~jjoyce1/tapes.html
"maybe they aren't butts..." - Alexa
From: Frank Castle <Out-there@iname.com>
Subject: NewBe
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:57:30 +0000
Hi, im new to tape trading and thus don't have many live tapes
is there anyone here with any tapes willing to trade for blanks?
I'm after the following sort of shows...
Coal Chamber, Garbage, TheWildhearts,...etc
thanks
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Soundcard and resampling...
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:56:17 -0500 (EST)
> I am a little confused about this resampling business. On one hand, it is
> suggested here that a card that offers resampling is preferable, but then it
> says to avoid the SB Live which does resampling. I understand that the SB Live
> always resamples which may not be what is wanted, but wouldn't the Zefiro's
> resampling from 48 to 44.1 kHz mess up the sound too?
The SBLive _always_ resamples, even if the signal is already 48 kHz.
If the signal is 44.1 kHz, it resamples to 48 kHz, and then a
resampling back to 44.1 kHz is required to burn a CD. The Zefiro has
_optional_ resampling, which is useful for tapes at 48 kHz, and gets
turned off for tapes at 44.1 kHz.
Seth
From: Todd Denton <todd.denton@n2k.com>
Subject: missing Strawberries
Reply-To: todd.denton@n2k.com
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:09:41 -0500
I'm trying to track down some missing sets from the Spring 98 Strawberry
festival (Iris DeMent, Junior Brown, Joe Craven, Pete Wernick, Nickel
Creek) from the Hog. Complete Fall 98 & many previous fests available
for trade... thanks.
tdenton@n2k.com
From: willard robinson <willr@star.net>
Subject: bootegging essay
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:16:40 -0500
>And as far as the supposed "hypocrisy" issue, about, e.g., the difference
>between stealthing or FOB taping and selling tapes, for me the issue seems
>pretty black and white: is someone trying to commercially PROFIT from
>audience taping or not? (That means SELLING tapes or CDs for more than the
>cost of the blank media, INCLUDING a "return" of ones "investment" in
>recording gear or ones "labor" or "time" in making the tape). It's really
>a very simple issue.
Well I am the rude guy typing in caps - mostly to make a strong point.
If you want to look at this issue in "black and white" then you must abide
by all the rules (i.e. if the band allows taping but the venue does not then
tough shit - follow the rules). If the delineation between what is "black
and white" is that someone is making $$ off the tapes then I am not sure
how this idea started - but let me speculate:
1) the music should be free - well if this is your stance then you should
be gunning for the RIAA, check out the economics on this and you will see
that they do more damange to this concept than all the bootleggers combined
2) it hurts our hobby/passion - somewhat, again the RIAA would love it if
they could remove every 'record' button on every device, if you mean that
bootleggers get us "noticed" then I would suggest that we are trying to
'cover' our activitites - and that is a pretty self-incriminating stance
3) bootleggers are making $$ - yes they are, but they taking these $$ from
the artists, no they are not - there is no 'fixed-pie' where you will either
buy a $50 bootleg or 5 $10 spice girls cds. They are supplying a 'product'
to a consumer - if the consumer should be better educated so that they know
that they can get many of these recordings for free, well than that would
be an excellent point of competition, make the economics unattractive to the
bootleggers and they will go elsewhere.
My final words would be that this area is not as simple as 'black and white'
- if you rush to judge then you too will be judged and sometimes that is very
painful. If all you do is tape bands that allow taping, and trade for
such then you can be pretty judgemental, but most of us on this list listen
to and tape 'stealth' recordings and there is a whole cottage industry around
this hobby. I think what makes us angry about bootleggers is that they are
turning a profit for stuff that is pretty available if people are willing
to look hard enough, this argument falls utterly apart when someone without
web access or several hundred dollars for MD/DAT equipment wants the newest
live pearl jam recording, then it is probably much more efficient for them
to buy it from a bootlegger, then who is hurt - the band? probably no, because
if the market were large enough there would be lots of live disks out (again
not a fixed-dollar pie). the record company, again, no because they could
drive the booteggers out of the business by releasing their own live disks
3) the fanboy/girl who buys the boot - well, I doubt that they want you
ramming your value system down their throat 4) the artist - yes and no,
again if they are only in it for the $$ then they will percieve this as lost
income - but without a product offering from them, this is not a true claim,
'yes' if they want to ensure that all publically-released 'product' is up
to snuff. Unfortunatly, too often the 'fans' are represented as needing
'protection' from the bootlegger, but this is generally a sham by those who
want scarcety to drive prices up.... By all means do not take this essay
as an endorsement of bootlegging, although throughout the '70s and '80s they
were the primary conduit to the fan of live and 'unofficial' recordings. I
am just concerned that a certain facit of this list population loves to
focus attention on others without a very strong moral stance, and I see
herd behavior that I find morally and intellectual distasteful.
"When the Nazi's first came around, I pointed out the odd people who lived
down the block. When again they came around I pointed to my neighbors. The
final time they came around there was no one left to point to but me."
tc
Will
From: allan chen <kaiyen@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: "quiet" non-digital soundcards
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:34:25 -0800
hey there,
I remember someone mentioning that he used a non-digital soundcard to
record music onto the computer, and how there were some quiet ones. Does
anyone have any recommendations for particularly quiet, but affordable
(say...~$200) non-digital sound cards?
thanks,
allan
From: Shawn Michasiow <shawn@videosecrets.com>
Subject: Frank Zappa B&P
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:39:51 -0800
Hello Again,
the B&P offer is Closed
i'll do it again by the end of the week!!
anyone wana trade?
Shawn
From: "Lutch, James JJ" <Lutch.James.JJ@bhp.com.au>
Subject: re:repair master
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 06:50:00 +1100
As far as I know, the oades, do handle repair master claims, but you must
pay the Oades and get reimbursed by repair master...
Jamie
>From: DROGERS912@aol.com
>Subject: Anyone dealt with Repair Master?
>Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:09:48 EST
>
>I have a DA-20 that has a few problems, diagnosed as worn heads by Oades. I
>purchased a warranty for the machine from Repair Master, but since the
Oades
>don't work with this warranty company, I'll need to look elsewhere. At
least
>until someone screws it up big time performing "warranty
repairs".......Does
>anyone have any success/failure stories that might help guide me to a
decent
>repair center that honors this warranty? Please e-mail if you don't feel
like
>this is pertinent to the entire forum. Thanks in advance-Douglas Rogers
>
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