DAT-Heads Digest #783
Contents:
Tape offer: Zony Mash ("Dave Egan")
X-tra GD 9.7.85 Up for Grabs (Greg Tom Lance)
ISO: Phish 8-13-93 Indianapolis, IN ("Colin Stefani")
Love and Rockets tours ("Jen and Steve Robinson")
Fugazi / Phantom Power (Eric Angel)
ISO: Less Than Jake tapers (Michael J Kreidler)
RE: sample rate (Mark McHarg)
Re: ISO: advice on DAT decks (cheap ones!) (Andrew Haley)
Afghan Whigs - tape them /trade them (willard robinson)
RE:Tasty Colvin, Airplane Headphones & DAT (PCM) Transfer ("B Baier")
Looking for 12-30-98 and 8-12-98 Phish (BirdSongII@aol.com)
digimoe. (Steve James)
buying advice for new dat head? (Josh)
Re: Dead 8-7-85 Red Rocks ??? (NdatC) (swsmith@ix.netcom.com)
Cool Water Canyon Tour Dates (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
x/y mic placement (daniel.estrin@chadbourne.com)
From: "Dave Egan" <degan@seanet.com>
Subject: Tape offer: Zony Mash
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:36:06 -0800
I have an extra Zony Mash show from 8Feb99 on 90m DAT that I taped myself.
MMW fans, you should check out this band! This is a hot, hot show - and the
sound quality will knock your socks off! It's an audience tape in a small
club - it's as clear as a SB, but it has that "air" that SB tapes lack.
First response, either trade or B+P gets it. For those who care, this tape
has been resampled using a SBLive. The bits are different than the master,
but you'll never hear a better aud tape - ever.
- Dave
From: Greg Tom Lance <ccryder@ksu.edu>
Subject: X-tra GD 9.7.85 Up for Grabs
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:45:15 -0600 (CST)
Hey All,
I've got an extra 9.7.85 from Red Rocks. Lineage is SBD->Master Cass->DAT.
Looking for a trade or B&P for this one.
Thanks
Greg
reply to: ccryder@ksu.edu
From: "Colin Stefani" <silversurf@seanet.com>
Subject: ISO: Phish 8-13-93 Indianapolis, IN
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:47:38 -0800
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Subject says it:
ISO: Phish 8-13-93 Indianapolis, IN - Murat Theater sets I&II
If you have a complete and nice quality (no analog gens in it) DAT(s) of =
this show I'd love to trade.
email me for a link to my list.
thanks,
colin stefani
silversurf@seanet.com
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From: "Jen and Steve Robinson" <zeus@w-link.net>
Subject: Love and Rockets tours
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:14:07 -0800
Fresh off their summer/fall tour as the instrumental background for Peter
Murphey's wonderful voice Love and Rockets are hitting the road. Please
tape them if you have the chance. I believe this would be a stealth job.
I'm planning on doing seattle.
Thanks,
Steve
3/2 Detroit Clutch Cargo
3/3 Chicago House of Blues
3/4 Chicago Detroit
3/5 Minneapolis First Ave.
3/6 Milwaukee The Rave
3/8 Denver Ogden
3/9 Salt Lake city DV 8
3/11 Portland La Luna
3/12 Seattle Showbox
3/14 Los Angeles The Mayan
3/15 Las Vegas House of Blues
3/16 San Francisco Maritime Hall
3/17 Sacramento Crest Theater
3/20 Phoenix Celebrity Theater
3/22 Dallas Deep Ellum Live
3/29 DC Bohangers
3/31 New York Irving Plaza
4/1 New York Irving Plaza
4/3 Boston Avalon
From: Eric Angel <ejangel@ucdavis.edu>
Subject: Fugazi / Phantom Power
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:15:02 -0800
Sorry about the lack of DAT content, but I promised a good friend I'd
tape Fugazi at the Crest Theatre in Sacramento CA on 2/24, and the show
is sold-out. Does anyone have an extra? I know it's a long shot, but I
have to at least try.
Now something more DAT related: When the specs on mics(like AT853) say
they need 9-52V of Phantom power, what is optimal? 9V, 52V, or somewhere
inbetween? If more power is better, has anyone personally built a power
supply with 1 or 2 9V batteries and basic op-amps like the LM741(I think
that's the #)? Are basic op-amps suitable for use in power supplies, or
are they too noisy? Anyone have any schematics for power supplies? I
have some ideas of my own, but I'd like to see what other
manufacturers/people do.
Thanks,
Eric
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From: kreidler@sas.upenn.edu (Michael J Kreidler)
Subject: ISO: Less Than Jake tapers
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:58:25 -0500 (EST)
As advertised, in search of tapers for the following dates:
touring with All, Good Riddance, and Limp (please tape Limp too!)
Feb. 27 Salt Lake City, UT Canyon Ski Resort
Mar. 02 Hollywood, CA The Palace
Mar. 03 Reno, NV Rodeo Rock
Mar. 04 Pocatello, ID The Rock
Mar. 05 Casper, WY Hall Of Champions
Mar. 06 Bozeman, MT Montana State
Mar. 07 Spokane, WA/Missoula, MT (TBA) TBA
Mar. 08 Calgary, AB McEwan Ballroom
Mar. 09 Edmonton, AB Old Scona Arts Barn
Mar. 11 Bellingham, WA Western WA University
Mar. 12 Vancouver, BC Croation Cultural Centre
Mar. 13 Seattle, WA DV8
Mar. 14 Portland, OR Roseland Ballroom
Mar. 15 Eugene, OR WOW Hall
Mar. 16 Chico, CA Brickworks
Mar. 18 Palo Alto, CA The Edge
Mar. 19 Petaluma, CA Phoenix Theatre
Mar. 20 Cameron Park, CA Club Xtreme
Mar. 23 Pomona, CA Glass House
Mar. 24 Ventura, CA Ventura Theatre
Mar. 25 San Luis Obispo, CA Achievement House
Mar. 26 San Diego, CA Soma
Mar. 27 Las Vegas, NV Huntridge Theatre
Mar. 28 Mesa, AZ Nile Theatre
Mar. 29 Tucson, AZ Rialto Theatre
Mar. 30 Albuquerque, NM The Zone
Mar. 31 Denver, CO LODO Music Hall
Apr. 01 Denver, CO LODO Music Hall
I have many DAT masters of LTJ, plus tons of other punk, ska, emo, etc.
DATs to trade...just ask for my list.
kreidler@sas.upenn.edu
From: Mark McHarg <MGM@symbionics.co.uk>
Subject: RE: sample rate
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:32:05 -0000
> I have been converting my files from 48 to 44.1 using Cool Edit 96.
> I just realized that there is an option on what quality you should
> convert it at. It has been set to 150. Should I change this?
It's a trade-off. Most people you will trade with would prefer for
you to use maximum quality, but it will take longer to convert.
> Also do most people amplify the sound a little before burning it to CD?
Some people "normalise" everything, which is when the editor boosts the
volume so as to make the loudest peak exactly full-scale.
If the peaks are above -6dB (sample values 16384 to 32767) that's good
enough for me and I don't amplify. (Most sound editors have a statistics
function which will tell you how loud the peaks are.)
If the music is lower than that you might want to boost it, purely for
convenience when listening. The signal-to-noise ratio of the recording
will stay the same because you are amplifying the existing quantisation
noise as well as the music (signal).
If you amplify by a number which is not an integer, you will also add a
tiny amount more quantisation noise. This is usually not significant.
Another reason to tweak levels is if you are making a compilation disk
from multiple sources in which case you will want to match the loudness
of the different sources.
BEWARE: simply normalising multiple sources will not result in the same
loudness. If you boost acoustic music to have the same peak levels as
electric music, it will sound much louder because the "peak-to-mean"
ratio is lower.
From: Andrew Haley <aph@pasanda.cygnus.co.uk>
Subject: Re: ISO: advice on DAT decks (cheap ones!)
Date: 17 Feb 1999 12:06:31 -0000
> From: "Brian Kelley" <isgraphix@hotmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:12:57 PST
>
> I was looking into spending some money on a DAT deck, but I don't want
> to get TOO far up in price range.
>
> I was looking at either a Sony R-300 or a Tascam DA-20 mkII. They are
> both great decks I hear for under $700. Now I know both these decks
> only have RCA and coaxial i/o. It's only when you get up into the $1000
> range, like with the R-500 or SV-3800 I guess, that you get XLRs.
Or the Fostex D5, which is about the same price as the Tascam DA-20
mkII.
> The way I see it, I'm only going to be using a home deck for its "true
> intent" purpose -- for home. I wouldn't be lugging that deck around
> everywhere to patch into a soundboard at any given show (since it would
> be easier to have XLR i/o. I have a Sony M-1 portable already, so I'm
> fine in the live taping department. I just want something that is
> cheap, but not in quality and can make crispy sounding tapes with good
> error correction.
>
> Basically I would like some input or opinions on the R-300 or DA-20 mk
> II. Sure I would be losing other great capabilities like auto
> head-cleaning and super bitmapping, but I am so desparate to get a DAT
> home deck, it's driving me nuts!!!!!
The Fostex D5 is a great bargain right now. I have one of thses and a
Sony M-1 portable and I am very happy with both. Even though the D5
has XLR audio, it is switchable to normal domestic line levels. I
copy between the two by using the Sony optical cable.
Andrew.
From: willard robinson <willr@star.net>
Subject: Afghan Whigs - tape them /trade them
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:44:11 -0500
Looking for people to tape and trade Whigs shows - they have been doing
very, very good shows - they do not allow 'open' tapers (actually someone
was taking video at the RI show and the lead singer said that if he made any
money off the tape that he (the singer) would have to get half - so I guess
they 'tacitly' allow it) -
Tue. 2-9 Cincinnati Bogart's
Wed. 2-10 Detroit St. Andrew's Hall
Mon. 2-15 State College Crowbar
Wed. 2-17 Philadelphia TLA
Tue. 2-23 Old Bridge NJ Birch Hill
Wed. 2-24 Baltimore Bohager's
Fri. 2-26 Atlanta Variety Playhouse
Sat. 2-27 Knoxville Bijou
Mon. 3-1 New Orleans House of Blues
Tue. 3-2 Baton Rouge Variety Theatre
Fri. 3-5 Chicago Cabaret Metro
Much to trade.
tc
Will
From: "B Baier" <baierb@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE:Tasty Colvin, Airplane Headphones & DAT (PCM) Transfer
Date: 17 Feb 1999 14:48:17 -0000
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 06:48:17 PST
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In DAT-Heads Digest #782, Barista said:
>> 2) Any recommendations on compact headphones which would block
>> out the
>> ambient noise on an airplane? Does such an animal exist? Cost?
>
>I use the Etymotic ER4S canal phones, they reduce the ambient noise
>by 20db. I use it along my Headroom Cosmic Headphone Amp. Check out
>www.headphone.com for more info. The canal phones are $300, the
>amplifiers range from $179-$1000+.
Couldn't agree more. I also got a set of custom earmolds for the
Etymotics at a local audiologist's office for about $100, but they
increase the comfort level dramatically.
Happy taping!
Bruce Baier
baierb@hotmail.com
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From: BirdSongII@aol.com
Subject: Looking for 12-30-98 and 8-12-98 Phish
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:49:10 EST
I only have one dat right now, but if you dont mind I can send you my masters
or blanks, my list is at www.GeoCities.com/RainForest/6173
Ollie
From: Steve James <ravnspac@dreamscape.com>
Subject: digimoe.
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:27:46 -0500
does anyone here know how i can subscribe to digimoe.? Please email me
privately.
thanks,
steve james
From: Josh <opermgr@cigarsavor.com>
Subject: buying advice for new dat head?
Reply-To: Josh <opermgr@cigarsavor.com>
Date: 17 Feb 99 10:39:22 -0500
I am just about to start out on the digital taping road, and am looking for some good advice. I want to find a good starter portable deck for live taping. Obvious concerns are reliability, price (i am going back to school this fall, and cant go crazy on expenditures), compatibility for a chain (again, money factors mean i wont be buying mics quite yet), and scms capabilities. I deem it my responsibility to make sure my friends can listen to good live music, and tinny, noisy cassettes just arent hacking it anymore..
Any reccomendations? I have a D-7 in my sights, at about $400... good deal, bad deal? help!
Oh, any boston area tapers out there who can get to the lizard lounge on friday night, there is a great band playing called bobby lee rodgers and the herd, if you get in touch with me, and can tape the show, I can get you on the guest list...
Josh
opermgr@cigarsavor.com
Joshua Nicotra
Operations Manager
Cigar Savor Enterprises
www.cigarsavor.com 800 372-2069
From: swsmith@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Dead 8-7-85 Red Rocks ??? (NdatC)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:42:22 -0600 (CST)
You wrote:
================================================
From: chinarider@webtv.net (Thomas Newton)
Subject: Extra Dead 8-7-85 Red Rocks
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:56:01 -0800 (PST)
I have a extra copy of this show on a 90 meter tape if anyone's
interested in a trade. It's from Doo Dah trees. Recording info:
Schoeps CMC42S>Oade power supply>custom Oade mixer>Oade modified PCM-F1.
Digitally remastered by Doug Oade. If interested please send a list.
If I don't get back to you, it's gone. Thanks, Tom
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I'd _love_ a copy of a show that doesn't exist . . . better check your DeadBase. ;)
09-05/06/07-85 were the only dates for 'Dead On The Rocks' that year. Some _smoking_ shows,
however! Think I'll go put on the 9-3-85 Starlight Theatre show now, as a matter of fact. . .
Should I post this to datheads.flame, BTW? ;) Peace.
<0 \\ swsmith@ix.netcom.com Stan Smith Dallas, TX 'boo-cat'
=) "We older bullshitters really should help the
<0 // young ones who are just coming along."
-John Gierach _Sex, Death, and Fly-Fishing_
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Cool Water Canyon Tour Dates
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:49:35 -0800
Thursday Feb 18th Harrington's Chico, CA
Friday Feb 19th Blake's Berkeley, CA
Sat Feb 20th G-Street Pub Davis, CA (w Electric Circus opening)
Thurs Feb 25th The Tank Santa Barbara (special 80's glam rock party!)
Saturday Feb 27th SLO Brew, San Luis Obisbo (opening for Common Sense)
Saturday March 13th The Gig, West Hollywood
Wed March 17th Rocky's Santa Barbara (St Patty's day party)
Thursday March 25th The Tank Santa Barbara
Friday March 26th, Sunday the 28th, Monday the 29th, Rosarito, Mexico
Cool Water Canyon is an amazingly refreshing, tight, talented, unique, and as
dancable as they come jam band from Santa Barbara. Go see them, go tape them
(they are as taping friendly as it gets), and by all means go dance your arse
off!!!! I would love to trade and will make sure they get a copy.....Pete
From: daniel.estrin@chadbourne.com
Subject: x/y mic placement
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:04:15 -0500
Howdy all -
Seth already responded, but i thought i'd pass along this link to a great mic
FAQ (no, not THE mic FAQ that's been around since, what, 1962?). The Oades have
put together a very nice new mic FAQ section with helpful graphics, diagrams,
etc. re: mic placement and the different placement techniques. Check out:
http://www.oade.com/tapers/faq-mic.html If you follow link No. 13, you will
find the graphics and digrams to which I am refering. No affiliation blah blah
blah. Just impressed with what they've done with their webpage. As for the
poster's original question, here's an excerpt from what the oade's have to say
on the subject:
>>>This is the most common form of stereo
recording, the 90 degree X-Y configuration. Here
careful attention should be paid to the vertical
alignment of the diaphram inside the capsule. The
smaller the error the better the focus and depth of
the recording. The horizontal displacement is not
critical and can be adjusted to accomadate
larger microphones or the use of windscreens.<<<<<
Shalom,
Daniel Estrin
Dan Clark asked:
>>>>When running X/Y, is there supposed to be a tiny gap or should one cap
actually "lay" on the other? I've heard that phase shift during X/Y occurs
where there is any distance but I've seen illustrations in books and
literature that looks as if there is a tiny distance (1/8"-1/16"). I've
done both and not been able tell a difference. Just curious as to the
technically correct answer<<<
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