DAT-Heads Digest #789
Contents:
Re;not lookin to start trouble (Beast914@aol.com)
Rack mount for 59ES? (JSVice@aol.com)
Re: Rolling Stones (GotTapes@aol.com)
RE: Western Digital Drives ("'Bebop' Pete Heilig")
ZA2 Digital Soundcard For Sale Again! ("Scott Weber")
Re: Non-subscriber submissions - WHY? (Seth Breidbart)
RE: Stereo with different brand microphones (GuySonic@aol.com)
ISO: Taper in the Vernon, NJ area (GotTapes@aol.com)
Opcode DATport winner (Joseph A Najera)
Re: volume amplification (MrBERWELL@aol.com)
Starting a Microphone Web Page ("Asher Dunn")
Re: Stereo with different brand microphones (Tom McCreadie)
ISO tapers for the Hornsby Circle of Tapers Network (jflannery@excite.com)
Western Digital drive crash (carlos martinez)
From: Beast914@aol.com
Subject: Re;not lookin to start trouble
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:12:39 EST
Im just wondering: to what tune that was written? ;)
D
From: JSVice@aol.com
Subject: Rack mount for 59ES?
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:05:58 EST
I just got a SONY 59ES (the one with the removable wood side panels). I was
wondering if rack ears exist for this unit. Or is there a generic rack mount
kit that will work... Anyone know?
Thanks,
John Vice
From: GotTapes@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rolling Stones
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:58:11 EST
Lee Stanley <LStanley@askcts.com> Writes:
> I'm curious about this one myself. What is the taping policy for Rolling
> Stones. I'm sure they don't allow it but I would like to make sure. I have
> every intention of trying to tape them Memphis. Any info on how to get get
> gear in and get a decent tape would be helpful.
As the tour name says, "No Security" There was no search at all at the
Anaheim Pond, but the sound was absolutely horrible. Hopefully you have good
seats.
Peace,
~D
From: "'Bebop' Pete Heilig" <bebop@imagine.com>
Subject: RE: Western Digital Drives
Reply-To: <bebop@imagine.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:10:42 -0500
> > > In the post it was recomended to stay away from western digital U
> > > DMAs (they created it I believe).
> >
> > I have a Western Digital 6.4GB UDMA drive, and it hasn't
> given me any
> > problems. Is there a specific problem somebody mentioned?
> Should I be
> > aware of anything about them?
I have specifically noted problems with Western Digital IDE U-DMA drives,
specifically when one is installed back-to-back with a Maxtor U-DMA drive in
a master/slave pair on the same IDE controller.
Recommendation: Western Digital U-DMA drives may be configured as the only
(singular) hard drive on an IDE controller, or may be paired in a
master/slave combination with another Western Digital U-DMA drive sharing
the same IDE controller.
If attempting to mix-and-match manufacturers' drives on the same IDE
controller, you may experience errors during IDE auto-configuration (at
power-on) which may cause one drive to not work properly.
YMMV,
-bebop Pete Heilig.
From: "Scott Weber" <webman@sprynet.com>
Subject: ZA2 Digital Soundcard For Sale Again!
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:32:25 -0500
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This is the second post I've made on this card. On my first post, I had =
many responses, and had multiple people commit to the card, then back =
out on the deal.=20
This card has optical (SPDIF) and coaxial inputs and outputs, as well as =
an analog out to monitor recording. It is a ISA card, and is considered =
one of the best cards on the market for going DAT to hard drive. If you =
are looking to convert your Dats to CD's, this is a great, user-friendly =
card to have with your setup. Card is one month old, hardly used and in =
perfect shape. I've tested and used it a few times under Windows 98. =
Card will come with original box, booklet, driver disk (NT/95/98), and =
an original licesened copy of Sound Forge XP 4.5 software to burn with. =
I can provide reciepts for a warranty as well. Card new goes for =
$430.00, first $370.00 takes it. Plese only contact me if you are =
SERIOUS, and willing to mail payment out ASAP.
Thanks! --Scott Weber--
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drive. If you are looking to convert your Dats to CD's, this is a great, =
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98. Card=20
will come with original box, booklet, driver disk (NT/95/98), and an =
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From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Non-subscriber submissions - WHY?
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:53:38 -0500 (EST)
> I've seen people ask why the list allows submissions from non-subscribers. I
> don't think I've seen an answer. Making that limitation would eliminate all
> this SPAM mail stuff.
>
> Comments? Pro? Con?
It's a lot of work to restrict a list that way.
For instance, I get email to sethb@panix.com. Sometimes the setup is
misconfigured so that my email appears to come from the domain
panix3.panix.com instead (which is a perfectly good email address for
me as well). Should it bounce because that address isn't registered?
(I believe digex is set up that way; you never know which machine will
send your email next.)
Sean doesn't have time to maintain such a list, and I haven't seen any
other volunteers with the time to do it and capability to run it.
Seth
From: GuySonic@aol.com
Subject: RE: Stereo with different brand microphones
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:30:08 EST
DATHEADS POSTED FROM:
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From: "Asher Dunn" <adunn@wirx.net>
Subject: Stereo with different brand microphones
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:50:34 -0800
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I was just wondering how much influence using two different brands of =
microphones would have upon a stereo recording, especially if they were =
of similar quality. Would AKGs mix with Neumanns or B&K. I know about =
waveform matching, but I still wonder.
=
>>
Stereo recording is a special type of '2-track recording' that includes number
of 'psycho-acoustic' parameters or a.k.a. sound cues specific to enhancing the
illusion of hearing live spatial sound from a two track recording.
If the microphones are very unrelated (not very closely matched in several
characteristics) then it's very likely to have no more than a 2-channel
approach (not stereo) to sound recording.
The 2- (or more) microphone channel approach to recording is also called
multitrack and is used extensively to produce vocals, drum kit, piano tracks
where a multitude of different model microphones feed separate mix tracks that
are usually mixed to some kind of processed 'stereo' product later in post
production; these tracks lack any real spatial qualities and are Effects
enhanced instead for better sounding 'stereo'. However, these synthetically
processed stereo recordings mostly still lack much convincing depth of image
that's more possible with using a true Stereo microphone method.
A true stereo microphone method of recording needs two (or sometimes more) of
the exact same type of microphone for left and right channels. While there's
often a third slightly different capsule used in single point stereo
microphones, this is the exception in the stereo microphone group (as far as I
can remember) and is a kind of array stereo microphone. The 'single point' is
my least favorite stereo microphone as the capsules are far too close to each
other for truly satisfying stereo.
Most other stereo microphone methods use just two matched or same model
microphones (cardioid, omni, ribbon, etc) positioned in a specific manner to
replicate some or all the natural sound cues for spatial stereo realism. For
live studio instrument to concert performance, or event recording, stereo mic
methods have very high satisfaction rating.
Like a few other senses (sight, balance) we tend to like similar pairs of
sensing instruments for the sound reception. Using a set of microphones
positioned along a particular scheme like spaced, pointed at an angle,
arrayed, stacked, and (my favorite) HRTF baffled allows the recording to more
closely reflect our own natural mechanisms for sound reception. The resulting
recording is then considered stereo.
Some stereo mic techniques work far better than others, at least in certain
situations or with variations to distance and sound stage width. In general,
stage width and mic distance is more critical when using directional
microphones for stereo than if non-directional (omni) mics are used.
The HRTF baffled stereo mic traditionally uses two matched omni mics and is
the most accurate to producing a recording that sounds almost identical to the
live sound because it records an ambient stereo 360 degree surround sound.
This is my favorite stereo mic method and one I've been involved with refining
for many years as is described on my web site.
Anyway, use matched mic models for recording in a form of stereo. Use the-
anything-handy & placed-anywhere-you-feel-like method when you want recorded
2- or more channel multitrack that has no relatable stereo content.
Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard (& Debbie) Lombardo
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From: GotTapes@aol.com
Subject: ISO: Taper in the Vernon, NJ area
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:23:47 EST
Hey All,
I'm looking for a taper for an up coming Cypress Hill show (yes i know, not
too common on this list, but..:) They will be playing at the Mountain Creek
Classic sports & music festival. It will take place on Saturday, March 6th at
the Mountain Creek Ski Resort in Vernon, NJ.
The Mountain Creek Classic is an all day festival featuring live music from
Cypress Hill, H20, D Generation, the Scofflaws & many more to be announced.
Tickets for the Mountain Creek Classic will go on sale this Friday, February
12th through local snowboard shops and at the Mountain Creek ticket office.
Tickets are also available at all Ticketmaster outlets ~ charge by phone at
(212) 307-7171. For less than the price of a regular lift ticket, consumers
receive admission to all of the festival's activities as well as a lift pass
for the day. Tickets are $33 in advance and
$44 the day of the event. For more information go to
<www.solsnowboarding.com>
I have some great Cypress Hill to offer in return along with a ton of other
stuff, please contact me if you are willing and able. I will pay for the
ticket. Many thanks.
Peace,
~D
From: Joseph A Najera <dmbandfan1@juno.com>
Subject: Opcode DATport winner
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:42:38 -0800
Howdy all...
Just thought I might solicit some opinions/tips/tricks about the
DATport... I was just notified that I'm the winner of the free one...
cool, eh?
Joe
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From: MrBERWELL@aol.com
Subject: Re: volume amplification
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:13:03 EST
> > If you're going to normalize a 48 kHz master, I think it
> > makes sense to normalize before resampling
>
> This is correct. Increase the volume before any other
> processing (sample-rate conversion, EQ, NR, whatever).
Unfortunately if you normalize, then EQ, you may be pushing certain
frequencies over "0" (assuming that you are boosting frequencies when you EQ).
This will cause distortion, and make it very hard to judge your EQ changes.
From: "Asher Dunn" <adunn@wirx.net>
Subject: Starting a Microphone Web Page
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:45:05 -0800
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Hi, I'm considering starting a live recorder's microphone page. There =
doesn't seem to be any on the net and I thought it would be a good idea. =
I need to expand my resources, so any info provided would help me get =
it on its feet. Thanks and I hope it will be up before the 2000.
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From: Tom McCreadie <mccreadi@simplex.nl>
Subject: Re: Stereo with different brand microphones
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:21:01 +0100
In Digest #787 Seth wrote:
>> I was just wondering how much influence using two different brands of =
>> microphones would have upon a stereo recording
> <snip>
>I wouldn't use one of each brand as a stereo pair, but for mixing
>(e.g. ORTF + omnis or omnis + directional) it's OK to use one pair
>each of different brands.
It is worth a mention that one can "get off with" using different brand
mics as a stereo pair if one uses an MS array. In this way any mic
dissimilarity is distributed symmetrically over the L & R fields. I have
had decent results with a Schoeps Mk8 side-facing S, combined with Calrec
2050 cardioid or a Coles 4038 ribbon (Fig-8) as the forward-facing M.
Admittedly, such pairings were not deliberate, but forced by circumstances
at the time - theft, mics in repair etc.
--
Tom
From: jflannery@excite.com
Subject: ISO tapers for the Hornsby Circle of Tapers Network
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:18:04 PST
I have been working on a ambitious project of lining up people for every
show of Bruce's upcoming tour with the intention of sending the list of
participants to everyone involved so we can swing trades for other shows of
the tour if desired. I am hoping of securing board tapers and audience
tapers for each show in case of whatever. So far this is a great success
but there is a few shows no one has shown interest in. If you can help us
fill the holes, and want to be a part of a "network of tapers" this
Spring-get in touch! I will list the following dates with number of tapers
to the right so you can see the ones we still need someone(s)...
4-03-99 Wallingford, CT (0)
4-05-99 Burlington, VT (maybe 1)
4-06-99 Northampton, MA (1)
4-08-99 Portsmouth, NH (maybe 1)
4-09-99 Portsmouth, NH (maybe 1)
4-10-99 Wilkes Barre, PA (1)
4-12-99 Morristown, NJ (0)
4-13-99 New York, NY (0)
4-15-99 Philly, PA (1)
4-16-99 Westbury, NY (2)
4-18-99 Washington, DC (1-maybe 2)
4-20-99 York, PA (1)
4-21-99 Williamsport, PA (maybe 1)
4-22-99 Schenectady, NY (2)
I would like to have as many tapers as possible lined up for these shows of
course so if you would want to join this project-again get in touch. I
don't mind doing the leg work on this for the rewards we should reap later.
This tour is just beginning and I plan on picking it up when it starts
making it's way into the Midwest. I plan on doing 4-6 shows myself. Get in
touch and thanks for the space...
peace,
John Flannery
http://www.tapetrading.com/lists/j/f/jflannery@excite.com.html
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From: carlos martinez <carlmart@centroin.com.br>
Subject: Western Digital drive crash
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:10:03 -0300 (EST)
>> > In the post it was recomended to stay away from western digital U
>> > DMAs (they created it I believe).
>>
>> I have a Western Digital 6.4GB UDMA drive, and it hasn't given me any
>> problems. Is there a specific problem somebody mentioned? Should I be
>> aware of anything about them?
>>
>> --
>> David Hollister - S/W Engineer - Interphase Corp.
>> DAT/CD list: http://www.public.asu.edu/~dhollist
>>
>I have been using Western Digital Caviar IDE drives almost exclusively
>in systems I have been building. Partly, this was because we were using
>the drives at work in a computer telephony application, and I found them
>to be very reliable for audio use.
Well, after using two non UDMA WDs and things going fine, I faced my first
crash with a 4G WD UDMA type. No reason at all apparently, even if I was
away for two weeks.
As my unit is ATX, which doesn't really switch off from the AC line when
it's off, when I am here it's always in "sleep mode" and never seemed to
have any trouble.
So maybe there is something with WD UDMA types, as the post said.
Before all this happened I was going for the Maxtor 17G type, also UDMA.
Any comments on the Maxtor drives?
Sorry for this non-DAT matter.
Carlos E. Martinez
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