DAT-Heads Digest #790
Contents:
ISO SXSW - David Gogo ("Wallace, Jeff")
Extra's For B&P (Dave Pecoraro)
More Stereo Information ("Klay Anderson")
Portable preamp/mixer ("Klay Anderson")
ISO dylan 2.1.99 and 2.15.99--have emmylou solo 1.30.99 ("dwb")
Re: DAT-Heads Digest #788 (Mark Dulcey)
Re: Volume amplification (Andrew Haley)
ISO: JGB 4/3/76 (Scott Mogol)
Neil in Portland (Dean Grabski)
ISO: DAT Player (UT2SV@aol.com)
re: Has anyone ever stuck a sound level meter on stage? (Scott Mogol)
First Post (jlizardo@maxconn.com)
Re: Non-subscriber submissions - WHY? ("Kent Borg")
Re: Volume amplification (Seth Breidbart)
DATPORT--SUCCESS! (ItsUp2Uman@aol.com)
Computer DAT to Wav? (David Finney)
1978 SDB Jerry Band (Davidlown@aol.com)
Re: Bootlegger article in Village Voice ("John R. Vanderpool")
Re: Volume amplification (Andrew Haley)
Re: Volume amplification (Seth Breidbart)
B&P offer - Phish 11/2/98 (Steve Marshall)
Thank a lot! ("Alfredo")
Opcode's DAT Port Price ("T M")
From: "Wallace, Jeff" <Jeff.Wallace@ps.net>
Subject: ISO SXSW - David Gogo
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 9:01:21 -0500
I won't be able to attend SXSW in Austin this year, but would love to
trade for clones of David Gogo's performances.
Saturday, March 20
============================
2:00PM - Wild About Music - Congress at 8th
8:00PM - Waterloo Brewing Company - 401 Guadalupe
This guy plays some of the best blues guitar and has a voice that sounds like
an 80 year old sharecropper. Great stuff.
Thanks in advance,
Jeff
From: Dave Pecoraro <dave_peck@snet.net>
Subject: Extra's For B&P
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:14:14 -0500
Hello All,
I have the following shows up for B&P. The reason is that I've got upgrades.
Dave Matthews Band: 6/7/98 Giants Stadium - AT822>d8
Blues Traveler: 11/14/98 Wallingford, CT - schoeps CMC6/mk4>lunatec v2>adc20>dap1 (2 copies)
All are on Sony DG90P's. Will accept the same, KAO, or Maxell (unopened) in return.
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::Dave Pecoraro <---> dave_peck@snet.net ::.
::ICQ: 18974698 <---> AOL: mkdevo :::.
::Dave's Digital ---> http://members.aol.com/mkdevo/index.htm :::'
::CD-R Cover Art ---> http://members.aol.com/mkdevo/covers.html::'
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From: "Klay Anderson" <klay@klay.com>
Subject: More Stereo Information
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 07:29:54 -0700
swsmith@ix.netcom.com
wrote:
<< If you want more of this kind of theory, and can deal w/ the math, I'd
reccomend finding copies
of "Stereo Microphone Techniques" by Bruce Bartlett, and "Sound Assistance"
by Michael-Talbot
Smith.>>
For a real good time, order up a copy of the branny-new "The New Stereo
Soundbook" just out from Ron Streicher and F. Alton Everest. A thorough
study of all techniques; I have practically memorized mine. ISBN
0-9665162-0-6
Regards,
Klay Anderson
klay@klay.com
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: "Klay Anderson" <klay@klay.com>
Subject: Portable preamp/mixer
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 07:38:58 -0700
Many are asking lately abut 2-channel preamps. Please have a look at the
new 2-channel USA made preamp/mixer we are distributing. Sonically as good
or better than a Sonosax, et al, with many more kick-butt features and about
the same size! Only $949 and we include a free portabrace-style case. See
more at
http://www.klay.com/datasheets/x2mixer.html
Thank you.
Regards,
Klay Anderson
klay@klay.com
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: "dwb" <dwb@ameritech.net>
Subject: ISO dylan 2.1.99 and 2.15.99--have emmylou solo 1.30.99
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:53:49 -0500
subject says it all. looking for these HQ dylan shows and announcing
emmylou harris 1.30.99 ann arbor solo and with buddy/julie miller.
any help? any interest?
dwb
From: Mark Dulcey <mark@buttery.org>
Subject: Re: DAT-Heads Digest #788
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:00:10 -0500 (EST)
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Digestifier wrote:
> Brief post, couple of things. First of all, I believe the DVD-Audio
> spec *has* been ratified, and just in the last week or so.
> Unfortunately, it seems that we'll still be limited to 74 minutes per
> disc (though I may be reading it wrong). Multi-channel audio is cool,
> though only six channels are supported at 96kHz/24bit. The coolest is
> 2-channel audio at 192kHz/24bit. :) Looks like we'll be hearing some
> amazing music in a few years! For more info, check out:
>
> http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/1999/DVD-Audio-10.html
Yup, you're reading it wrong. What they're saying is that you can fit at
least 74 minutes at the highest quality mode. The standard also allows you
to put more minutes of lower-quality audio on the disc instead, so you
could (for example) have over two hours of two-channel 96/24 music on one
disc. You can also go to double-layer discs for even more recording
capacity (not quite double, though). Basically, you can use any of the
audio encoding schemes in the standard, and pack in as much music as will
fit in 4.7GB (or 8GB for a two-layer disc) using the scheme you choose.
The math of exactly how much capacity you get is complicated because the
standard includes Meridian Lossless Packing, an audio-specific
data-compression scheme. As the name implies, MLP does not change the
audio data in any way, though the introduction of compression and
decompression into the chain will present new challenges to designers who
are trying to minimize jitter problems.
Having a final standard is good news. I hope we see real products soon!
Adding DVD audio capability to existing DVD player designs shouldn't be
too difficult, though the DSP required for MLP decoding will add a few
dollars to the price.
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From: Andrew Haley <aph@pasanda.cygnus.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Volume amplification
Date: 19 Feb 1999 15:06:35 -0000
> From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:07:28 -0500 (EST)
>
> If you're going to normalize a 48 kHz master, I think it makes sense
> to normalize before resampling; however, I haven't done the math, so
> I'm not certain.
Actually, you don't need to do any math. Consider a set of samples
that looks like this:
-1 -1 -1 +1 +1 +1 -1 -1 -1
etc. Due to Briggs' phenomenon, passing this signal through a DAC's
reconstruction filter will result in signals outside the range
[-1 .. +1), but that won't be an error. However, resampling will lead
to individual samples which are over the limit. In other words,
normalize after sample rate conversion.
Andrew.
From: Scott Mogol <smogol@intr.net>
Subject: ISO: JGB 4/3/76
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:58:37
I am seeking a high quality audience or soundboard recording (if it exists)
of Jerry Garcia Band 4/3/76 at Lisner Auditorium in DC. Plenty to trade.
<>Scott<>
From: Dean Grabski <dgrabski@efn.org>
Subject: Neil in Portland
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:09:43 -0800 (PST)
I have a pair of lower balcony tickets to see Neil Young @ the Schnitzer
Concert Hall in Portland OR. on Mar 8 for sale.
I will sell them for Face Value and eat the Ticketmaster charge.
Thanks for the bandwidth,
Dean
dgrabski@efn.org
d e a n G r a b s k i
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From: UT2SV@aol.com
Subject: ISO: DAT Player
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:27:16 EST
I'm looking for a used DAT player capable of working in
the "Play" mode and having either 2 analog output jacks or
a DAT coax jack.
Got any extra equipment just laying around?
Rob Benz
Ut2sv@aol.com
From: Scott Mogol <smogol@intr.net>
Subject: re: Has anyone ever stuck a sound level meter on stage?
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:32:46
on Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:13:45 -0800 pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com wrote:
<snip>
>It would be helpful to know what the actual SPL's are on stage. Of
>course it varies by the band, etc but lets just say "a local jam band playing
>clubs of about 300 people or so(perhaps like a moe. type gig 3 years ago or
>something like that). <end snip>
Hope this helps:
note - all of this info is aproximate.
Sound Pressure Level (decibels, A-Weighted)
reference pressure = 20 micropascal uPa
Leaves rustling = 20
Recording Studio = 30
Quiet residence = 40
Private office = 50
Conversational speech = 60
Resturant = 70
Heavy traffic = 80
Subway = 90
Heavy truck/factory = 100
Dance club = 110
Riviter/Band practice = 120
"A local jam band playing clubs of about 300 people or so(perhaps like a
moe. type gig 3 years ago or something like that" = apx 125
Rock concert/Jack Hammer = 130
Threshold of Pain = 135
Gunshot/Propeller aircraft = 140
Jet take-off = 160
Saturn rocket (or 50lbs of TNT detinated 10' away) = 194
I know where I work as FOH engineer, I put in my earplugs WHENEVER I walk
onstage (especially if the drummer is within 10' of his kit) :)
Protect you hearing . . . you might need it someday.
From: jlizardo@maxconn.com
Subject: First Post
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 8:40:42 +0100
Well, as a relative newbie to the list, I have to chime in here and agree
with "hambone/D2" on this
"not lookin to start trouble
and would sure hate to have everyone email me
but was wonder if it would be possible
to keep this a dat digest"
Increasingly, I am hitting delete on a lot of the digests due to the fact
that it takes forever to scroll through the 6 or 7 page digest to get to any
DAT related material. Again, I do not want to discourage, or condemn anyone
for utilizing the CD format, but this IS a DAT based digest, isn't it?
(Although I can appreciate the need for help specing in computer
components, software, cards, etc. - many a nights i want to throw this
machine through the wall).
Additionally, WHOEVER IS POSTING THE ADVERTISEMENTS FOR GET RICH QUICK
SCHEMES AND OTHER TYPES OF MONEY MAKERS (you know who you are!)- SPARE US
THE BANDWIDTH!!!!! Common courtesy please!
Now. Since this is my first post, I will make an offer in exchange for my
use of the bandwidth for my little rant!:
Grateful Dead, (Billed as: "Phil Lesh & Friends")
Berkeley Community Theatre, Berkeley, Ca.
9-24-94
Neumann KM-54's > Sony D-7
4th row on Jerry's side
2nd copy from Master
1- 60M
Friends- this is one KIND, KRISPY show all acoustic. I'll take the first
three responses with lists, and will reply to you immediately for the rest
of the skinny.
Jayson
jlizardo@maxconn.com
From: "Kent Borg" <kentborg@my-dejanews.com>
Subject: Re: Non-subscriber submissions - WHY?
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:41:58 -0000
As someone who has been reading DAT-Heads on the web, I kind of like the idea that I can also post without an email subscription. (Though as someone who is only making his first submission now, I haven't taken advantage of this.)
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From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Volume amplification
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:43:29 -0500 (EST)
>> If you're going to normalize a 48 kHz master, I think it makes sense
>> to normalize before resampling; however, I haven't done the math, so
>> I'm not certain.
>
> Actually, you don't need to do any math. Consider a set of samples
> that looks like this:
>
> -1 -1 -1 +1 +1 +1 -1 -1 -1
That's already "over"; the middle samples of each number were
truncated.
The point I missed was the word-size of the intermediate results. If
you use 32-bit (or even 24-bit) processing and don't redither back to
16-bit until the final step, it's a lot less important which order to
perform the calculations. If you only get 16-bit intermediate
results, then it matters.
Seth
From: ItsUp2Uman@aol.com
Subject: DATPORT--SUCCESS!
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:50:29 EST
I wanted to give you all a little report on
the DATPORT and its installation.
I recieved the DATPORT promtly from Klay (Thanks Klay!
it was a little more that Guitar Friend or whatever...but
I know Klay will be by my side when I am in need of
some special attention in the future!)
I read the installation manual completely before installing
and then proceeded to install the DATPORT config software.
My system is a P200 MMX (AMD K6), desktop unit,
32 megs ram.
There are three drivers which must be loaded
into WIN98 for the datport to work properly.
The manual references the fact that all three need
to be installed, but doesn't give you the exact
name of the driver...so you are mostly up to
the grace of WIN98 add new hardware wizard.
I already had one of the three drivers installed
when I put in my USB riser card for my Motherboard.
When I plugged in the datport, Windows started the
add new hardware wizard.
The wiz installed the USB audio device driver.
I followed the instructions to the letter in the book,
but it never really explicitly
explains how to go back and get the
"Human User Interface for USB" installed.
Or how to verify that it is installed...
After thrashing around a bit...I ran the add new hardware
wiz again from the desktop and choose a device
from the list after it didn't find any new hardware.
The classes of devices are "modem, keyboard..etc."
and towards the bottom..."Human User Interfaces"
Click on this and then you will see
the USB driver under the next screen.
After following the rest of the instructions the datport
worked FLAWLESSLY!
My only complaints:
1. Doesn't pass spdif out simultaneously(I thought I read that it did?)
so you would need an oade type cable to pass thru the signal
if you were in a chain.
2. Oade "passive" cable won't accept level? This is the coax I/O to 7pin
with NO switch (black 7 pin plug) I have a D7 and a 59ES and
they both accept the output signal from the datport via a direct
connection like COAX (59ES) or the coax to 7pin(D7), however
when I insert the oade cable out of the datport to drive
both the D7 and the 59ES I get no signal to either?
I can use a solid monster cable splitter to split the spdif out
and drive both decks.
I am left to conclude that you must have an ACTIVE cable to
use this device?
I recommend this device based on my limited experience with it so far.
The installation is a little rough but you can do it right, and the device
works. Thanks again to Klay for getting this to me so fast!
Peace,
Mark Carr
From: David Finney <dfinney@cts.com>
Subject: Computer DAT to Wav?
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:29:43 -0800 (PST)
I'd like to copy DAT audio to a wav file using a computer DAT drive. Is it
possible to do this? Is there special software required?
I read the FAQ, which commented on tape to tape copies using computer DAT
drives, but thisisn't what I want to do. I'm dreaming that it may be
possible to connect the drive to a SCSI port, then just copy 48 khz wav
files directly to my hard drive. I would then burn them to CD, which isn't
an area that I need help with.
Thanks in advance for any help you may wish to provide.
From: Davidlown@aol.com
Subject: 1978 SDB Jerry Band
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:37:11 EST
HI,
Does anyone have any killer soundboards of any 1978 jerry band. I have the
late FM SDB washinton DC show and it is sooooooo good. I have over 500 hours
of various stuff to trade...Please!!!!!
From: fish@daacdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov ("John R. Vanderpool")
Subject: Re: Bootlegger article in Village Voice
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:44:44 -0500 (EST)
gary davis writes:
> SO please -- I hope most of us will agree -- bandwidth is cheap,
> and most all information is worth having.
i agree - what was the URL though i missed that article somehow
> P.s. interesting that retailers make a *major* markup on boot CD's -
> about $15 vs. $1-4 for regular CD's - so this is probably why
> retailers sell them! - not - "to benefit the community" !!
yea, well, unfortunately its mostly so independant shops can stay in
business again the K and Walmarts and best buys that can get by w/
making $1/CD if they sell 100,000/month vs a small store that just
can't compete w/ those numbers. i am all for free market - if someone
is willing to pay $20-25 for a boot CD then what the hell, someone
will be willing to try and have a market for that - i agree its
(basically) illegal but so are a lot of things everybody does in
daily life :-)
fish
--
"it's so easy to slip, it's so easy to fall,
and let your memory drift and do nothing at all..." -lowell george
John R. Vanderpool <fish@daacdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov> NASA/GSFC/RSTX
From: Andrew Haley <aph@pasanda.cygnus.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Volume amplification
Date: 19 Feb 1999 21:16:36 -0000
> Date: 19 Feb 1999 15:06:35 -0000
> From: Andrew Haley <aph@cygnus.co.uk>
>
> > From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
> > Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:07:28 -0500 (EST)
> >
> > If you're going to normalize a 48 kHz master, I think it makes sense
> > to normalize before resampling; however, I haven't done the math, so
> > I'm not certain.
>
> Actually, you don't need to do any math. Consider a set of samples
> that looks like this:
>
> -1 -1 -1 +1 +1 +1 -1 -1 -1
>
> etc. Due to Briggs' phenomenon, passing this signal through a DAC's
> reconstruction filter will result in signals outside the range
> [-1 .. +1), but that won't be an error. However, resampling will lead
> to individual samples which are over the limit. In other words,
> normalize after sample rate conversion.
I meant Gibbs, not Briggs phenomenon, of course. There's a lovely
diagram of this at
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~eww6n/math/GibbsPhenomenon.html: the
lowest frequency sine wave corresponds to a sampled sine wave of Fs/6,
with samples at [0 1 1 0 -1 -1 0 1 1] etc. You'd have to be very
unlucky to get such an extreme case, but it _is_ possible, and the
distortion caused by resampling would be quite spectacular!
Andrew.
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Volume amplification
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:25:04 -0500 (EST)
> I meant Gibbs, not Briggs phenomenon, of course. There's a lovely
> diagram of this at
> http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~eww6n/math/GibbsPhenomenon.html: the
> lowest frequency sine wave corresponds to a sampled sine wave of Fs/6,
> with samples at [0 1 1 0 -1 -1 0 1 1] etc. You'd have to be very
> unlucky to get such an extreme case, but it _is_ possible, and the
> distortion caused by resampling would be quite spectacular!
Of course, while all the samples in that case are within range, the
signal isn't; many D/A converters (of the oversampling type) would
have trouble with it as well.
Seth
From: Steve Marshall <nightowl@stlnet.com>
Subject: B&P offer - Phish 11/2/98
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:28:36 -0600
Hi Everyone,
I have an extra copy of the above show on 2 KAO Gold 60M tapes. Source is:
Schoeps CMC6 MK4 > Sonosax SX-M2 > DA-P1
I'd like 2 sealed 60M DATs in return (preferably KAO Golds, but Sony's are
fine - no unlabelled tapes please). If you're intereseted, drop me a line.
I'll send a note to the list when the offer is closed.
Thanks!
Steve
Steve Marshall
Editor - The Night Owl
<http://www.thenightowl.com>
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From: "Alfredo" <md2001@mclink.it>
Subject: Thank a lot!
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:42:48 +0200
Thank so much to kind people who replied to my Info's request.
Last night I went to see Oregon and concert was really amazing (140
minutes!):
They are nice and simple guys and great musicians too, also the young Mark
Walker to percussion & drum sets gets a lot of talent.
I don't know if they're continuing the european tour and then in USA, but I
strongly recommended to see them.
Now a question( Sorry for bandwith, but I don't know where ask ...):
I have an extra large size poster (very nice) of this italian concert , plus
a medium size poster (their offiicial poster of their last CD, I bought
directly from their merchandise into the theater): Is there anybody who gets
posters of Blues artist to trade?
I've yet another large poster of other italian concerts (Santana, Dylan,
George Benson, etc...) to trade. (looking also for groove'n'jam groups like
Max Creek, Percy Hill, Moe, Ekoostic hookah posters...)
From: "T M" <rmplurker@hotmail.com>
Subject: Opcode's DAT Port Price
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:58:41 PST
Hey FODH
Has anyone been able to find the Opcode Datport in stock and for less
than $179? If you have please contact me privately with the relative
vendor info. Thanks in advance for any help.
Thanks.
T M.
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