DAT-Heads Digest #793
Contents:
FREE GROCERIES AND CASH CAN BE YOURS!!! (dens22@eudoramail.com)
RE: Computer DAT to Wav? (Gordon Gidluck)
FS: Sony D7 (Ian Upright)
the REAL 01s Tour Tree wrapup... ("Scott/ Deb McPherrin")
Hornsby DATs FS ("Scott Levitt")
ISO: Trey @ Higher Ground (YaMar2001@aol.com)
Re: DAT to CDR effeiciently? (Drew Matich)
Phish 11/13/98 TURTLE TREE mic source? (Jonas)
NEED GALACTIC FROM FALL 98' - BE HERE NOW - ASHVILLE, NC (ChillyBe@aol.com)
Re: DAT to CDR effeiciently? ("Brian Krahmer")
Re: DAT to CDR effeiciently? ("Gary Davis")
Re: my friend stuck a 90m tape up his ass ("Gary Davis")
ISO: NGS X2- 2 Channel Mixer Users (Delano)
TCD-D100 Cheapest Price? ("Jeff Morrow")
tapers in germany? (U21562@UICVM.UIC.EDU)
ISO:Thoughts on AT mics (Aaron Westendorf)
ISO: TOO 7/3/98 Camden, NJ (George Carson)
Neil Finn FM DAT For Trade (Jonathan Mikos)
Re: Non-subscriber submissions - WHY? (David Sorochty)
Who is Nels Cline?? ("Gary Davis")
DAT>Musical Fidelity X24>DAT (SYockus@aol.com)
From: dens22@eudoramail.com
Subject: FREE GROCERIES AND CASH CAN BE YOURS!!!
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 99 11:11:28 EST
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From: Gordon Gidluck <ggidluck@artelco.com>
Subject: RE: Computer DAT to Wav?
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:35:07 -0800
> From: David Finney <dfinney@cts.com>
> Subject: Computer DAT to Wav?
> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:29:43 -0800 (PST)
>
> I'd like to copy DAT audio to a wav file using a computer DAT drive. Is it
> possible to do this? Is there special software required?
>
> I read the FAQ, which commented on tape to tape copies using computer DAT
> drives, but thisisn't what I want to do. I'm dreaming that it may be
> possible to connect the drive to a SCSI port, then just copy 48 khz wav
> files directly to my hard drive. I would then burn them to CD, which isn't
> an area that I need help with.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you may wish to provide.
>
This was discussed previously. I think that what we found was that the
digital audio extraction from DDS hardware was not possible except in
machines where the software drivers supported that feature. A brand was
mentioned (SGI?). Most manufacturers don't support audio on their DDS
hardware, that's the problem.
Gordon Gidluck
From: ian@oneaccordinc.com (Ian Upright)
Subject: FS: Sony D7
Reply-To: ian@oneaccordinc.com
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:02:25 -0800
Sony D7 DAT, with leather case, and power supply. Good shape, works fine.
$450 OBO
Ian
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From: "Scott/ Deb McPherrin" <hippies@frontiernet.net>
Subject: the REAL 01s Tour Tree wrapup...
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:43:55 -0600
hey y'all,
sorry for the extra post...just got some great news...
after months of searching and countless copies, (both Al and myself) and
finally giving up as a lost cause...
we have finally been offered a nice sounding 7/19 Fiddlers Green from our
good friend Mr. Dan Sisler...
show will be in my hands shortly and passed on with the other 3 shows prev
listed...
7/19 taped by Dan himself via:
beyerdynamicTGX180's->ZefiroA/D->D-7
the last batch will be 4 shows and will complete the tree...
we all owe Dan a beer...or at least our thanks!...
thanks again, Dan!...
peace
scott
From: "Scott Levitt" <levitt@patriot.net>
Subject: Hornsby DATs FS
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:30:11 -0500
Since I have made the move to CDR, I am starting to sell some off my DATs.
I am offering 12 DATs of Bruce Hornsby/Furthur for the bargain price of $40
postage paid anywhere in the U.S. That come out to around $3 for each tape
plus postage. All are DSBDs unless otherwise noted. Here is what I have to
offer:
Bruce Hornsby
6/24/89 Telluride, CO all (with special guests-Bela Fleck, Jerry Douglas &
others)
8/31/95 Valley Forge, PA 1,2
4/12/96 Oakland 1,2 (w/Lesh & Weir)
3/23/97 Reading, PA (w/Bela Fleck and the Flecktones) (AUD)
6/15/97 San Diego, CA 1,2
7/12/97 Columbus, OH (50 min Furthur set)
10/9/97 Salem, VA 1,2 (w/Roanoke Symphony)
4/25/98 Cupertino, CA 1,2 (solo show)
11/6/98 Yoshi's, CA late show (w/Lesh & Kimock)
Furthur
6/22/97 Coral Springs, FL (Hornsby, Ratdog, Acoustic Jam, Jorma)
7/9/97 Totonto, Canada (Hornsby, Jorma, Planet Drum, Allstar Jam)
7/3/98 Camden, PA (AUD)
From: YaMar2001@aol.com
Subject: ISO: Trey @ Higher Ground
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:59:17 EST
Hey Guys,
Wondering if anyone taped Trey this Monday at Higher Ground. I'm looking for
the whole show, or just his solo set. Have much Phish to trade.
Thanks,
Brent
From: Drew Matich <dmatich@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: DAT to CDR effeiciently?
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:28:17 -0800
>I have been making some CDRs from DAT recordings recently and I'm wondering
>if anyone has an efficient way of doing this.
>
>I did it by digitizing the whole show in one pass and then dividing that file
>up into the individual songs for import into Jam for CD burning. I used
>ProTools (MAC) to dig in and edit (also added a bit of EQ and Compression)
>then mixed down the songs to AIFF files to import into Adaptec Jam.
>
>The problem is that it takes a really long time to do it this way. Does
>anyone have suggestions on a more efficient way to get concert DAT recordings
>to CD?
>
Richard...
I have just gotten a CDRW, and am contemplating the same question...I
think the best solution is the one you're currently using. In fact, I am
contemplating the purchase of Pro Tools and the Audiomedia III card. If
the aim is to faithfully reproduce (and even improve on) the sound of
your DATs, I think it takes time to do it right...
dm
From: Jonas <jlb20@acpub.duke.edu>
Subject: Phish 11/13/98 TURTLE TREE mic source?
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:10:51 -0500
Just got in my discs from this tree on the 11/13/98 Cleveland show.. Need
the mic>pre>AD>deck info, if someone has it.. I know SOMEBODY, after all,
taped it, so if it's you, or someone who knows, please send it along.
-Jonas
CDR/DAT List: http://www.duke.edu/~jlb20/live.htm
ACID JACKnet: http://www.duke.edu/~jlb20/home.htm
Nirvana Collector's Guide to Live Performances:
http://www.duke.edu/~jlb20/nirvgd.htm
From: ChillyBe@aol.com
Subject: NEED GALACTIC FROM FALL 98' - BE HERE NOW - ASHVILLE, NC
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:26:14 EST
I am looking for a clean A:FOB:D (preferably Schoeps or B&K's) or DSBD of
this show. If you were there you know how -HIGH- the Houseman was... I would
love to here a great tape of this show. I am just looking for a quick swap.
I use 60m tapes. If you taped the show please respond to me privately.
ChillyBe@aol.com
Thanks in advance,
Brian
From: "Brian Krahmer" <brian@krahmer.com>
Subject: Re: DAT to CDR effeiciently?
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:49:08 -0700
Richard,
If your CD recording program uses cue sheets or the like (I use
Goldenhawk's CDRWin), you do not need to break the show into files for each
song. Unfortunately, you are on a Mac {not unfortunate, really :) }, so I
can't give you exact instructions on a better method. Here's what I do:
record the music off of DAT with Cooledit using my Zefiro ZA-2. For a 2-3
hour show, I use two files, it makes it much easier to manage. I edit the
music as necessary to 74 minute or less chunks. As I'm editing, I add cue
points. When I'm done editing the files and have them saved, I whip out a
cool little java program that I wrote that looks at the cue points and
generates a cue sheet for me. I go into CDRWin, open the cue sheet, and
burn away. The process is quite simple, really, depending on how much work
the music needs.
If anyone wants to get ahold of my java cuesheet editor, take a look at my
website: http://www.krahmer.com/cuebuilder.html The installation
instructions are kind of gross, but if you run into problems, drop me a
line.
brian
--
Brian Krahmer - brian@krahmer.com - http://www.krahmer.com
Expert 3.0 - Intelligent Network Security - http://www.L-3Security.com
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Re: DAT to CDR effeiciently?
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:41:39 -0800
I hate to reply *after* you've bought a digital soundcard, but the way
to transfer DAT to CDR efficiently... is with a stand-alone audio CD
recorder. You simply play the dat, push "record" on the CD
recorder, walk away, and in an hour & 15 minutes, you have your
first copy of the CD.
(Disclaimer: this does not count the time to put "start_ID's" on the
dat, to mark the tracks, before recording the CD. This, of course,
is optional. Some people do it "while" the CD is being recorded,
and some people don't do it at all.
I've found the fastest way to add start_ID's (especially on concerts
with long, jam-like tracks), if you "master" or otherwise play/copy
the dat before you make the CD, is to jot down the approx. A-
Times for each ID while the tape is recording. Then you can very
quickly wind back to the spots and add ID's. This is much faster
than scanning the whole tape, unless you have a deck with 10X
scan. I did an entire show with 14 ID's in under 1/2 hour using this
method).
Once you've made the first CD, you can copy it in realtime with the
stand-alone (at least if you buy a pro unit), or you can load it into
the computer for "high-speed" copies, adding or fine-tuning ID's, or
completely remastering the recording.
==========
Here is the fastest way I know to add track ID's with a computer.
Read the whole disc (dat) into the computer as one large file, with
Goldenhawk CDRWIN.
Look at the file with CoolEdit. In another window, have a text editor
open.
Find the exact times you want the track breaks to occur with Cool
Edit. If the cursor is on that point, you can read the exact time in
the lower right-hand corner. (Set Cool Edit to display time in
75ths/ of second units).
Copy this time "mentally" into the cue sheet. (Switch from one
window to another with alt-tab, in windows).
I believe the latest version of CDRWIN has a built-in editor which
makes it easier to write cue sheets, though I haven't tried it yet.
There is no need to break up the big file into smaller files.
==========================
Obligatory disclaimer and dat store content.
Yes, I sell stand-alone CD recorders!
(Actually, the DAT Store has a Tascam model 4X computer
recorder as well - /w software for Mac or PC).
Pioneer PDR-500 $564
Marantz CDR-630 $804 <<<<< new low price this week only!
Tascam CDRW5000 $994
Fostex CR-200 $1094
Marantz CDR-615 /w remote $1194
Marantz CDR-640 /w remote $1594
thank you!
--Gary
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Re: my friend stuck a 90m tape up his ass
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:46:30 -0800
My friend actually did this at a recent show...
it worked too, the goons never found his tape.
From: Delano <bluesky@mindspring.com>
Subject: ISO: NGS X2- 2 Channel Mixer Users
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:46:22 -0500
Hi;
Anyone use this NGS X2- 2 Channel Mixer? If so, I'd like to know what you
think. How does it perform? ...relative to Sonosax SX-M2? Thanks.
Info can be found here:
<http://www.klay.com/datasheets/x2mixer.html>http://www.klay.com/datasheets
/x2mixer.html
Take Care,
Delano
<http://www.mindspring.com/~bluesky/default.html>http://www.mindspring.com/
~bluesky/default.html
<http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Center/3834/index.htm>http://www.geoc
ities.com/CollegePark/Center/3834/index.htm
DAT List:
<http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Center/3834/DAT_1.html>http://www.geo
cities.com/CollegePark/Center/3834/DAT_1.html
From: "Jeff Morrow" <BLUEZ@prodigy.net>
Subject: TCD-D100 Cheapest Price?
Reply-To: "Jeff Morrow" <BLUEZ@prodigy.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:43:30 -0600
I would appreciate if someone could give me up to date
info on the cheapest place to get a Sony TCD-D100.
I'm hitting the road for about 10 shows in March and I
have no confidence my D8 will hold up.
Thanks For the B / W...
Jeff
From: U21562@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Subject: tapers in germany?
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 99 21:16:59 CST
Looking for someone who is available march 15 in munich and/or
march 18 in frankfurt to tape john melencamp
thanks,
john
u21562@uicvm.cc.uic.edu
From: Aaron Westendorf <westea@rpi.edu>
Subject: ISO:Thoughts on AT mics
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:57:45 -0500
I'm in the very preliminary stages of designing my own taping rig, and I
was cruising around on a few sites and found several of the AT mics to
be right in my price range. The models that seem most interesting are
the 4041, 4051 and 4053. First off, for a beginners system, is the
ability to change capsules that big of a deal? The majority of my
taping will be in clubs and some arenas, so I'm thinking that going with
the cardoid only (a huge cost savings, which is important) 4041's
wouldn't be a big deal. Also, what experience have people had using
these mics for live (rock) music recording? They're all 20hk-20khz, and
show a pretty flat frequency response. My only experience with AT mics
have been with the 82x models, and they all seem to have a tendency to
overdo the high frequencies and be slightly harsh at times. For the
preamp, I'll probably go with the Beyer MV-100, simply for cost
considerations. If anyone else can recommend a better pre-amp in the
same price range, I'd like to know of one. For the time being I'll
probably just use my D8 for the ADC, I may be able to afford an SBM-1 at
some point, but I'll probably have to wait awhile before that happens.
Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, I save money
much better if I have a goal to save for, so I'm trying to get an idea
of how much my system will cost. Also, how much will it cost me to get
shock mounts, a stand, and all the other accessories?
Thanks,
Aaron
--
====================================================
Aaron J. Westendorf
DAT List -> http://www.rpi.edu/~westea/dat
"Eternal Quanta Sunny Songs"
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From: George Carson <rudy@email.unc.edu>
Subject: ISO: TOO 7/3/98 Camden, NJ
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:04:52 -0500 (EST)
As subject says I'm looking for TOO 7/3/98. My friend was at this show
and was blown away. My list is at: http://www.unc.edu/~rudy/datlist.html
PLease let me know if you see anything you want. I'll offer up Phish
6/18/94 DSBD because of my waste of bandwidth to the first person who
emails me. Thanks, George
From: Jonathan Mikos <thewho@igcom.net>
Subject: Neil Finn FM DAT For Trade
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:06:16 -0600 (CST)
I caught a great FM of Neil Finn. (Crowded House + Split Enz)
Recorded at the Double Door in Chicago on 11/20/98.
Throughout Neil's 1998 tour he had a few special guests.
Tim Finn joins him this night.
The show runs 60mins.
(Also have an interview + acoustic set from 11/19/98 here in Chicago too.)
If interested please email:
Jonathan
thewho@igcom.net
From: David Sorochty <scarletfire@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Non-subscriber submissions - WHY?
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:21:25 -0500
I don;t want to subscribe since its not that often that ther is anything
that interests me here. I;m mainly looking for tree announcements and
once in a while I may need to have a question answered. I'm happy to
just look through the digest archive every once in a while and see
what's been going on.
--
Dave Sorochty
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Who is Nels Cline??
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:31:11 -0800
Since I've noticed that the band I didn't even name has gotten five
requests, and five shows with Nels Cline got none :-) , I thought I
better say a word or two about Nels Cline.
Nels Cline is a guitarist with an amazing range from loud shreaking
noise to the most delicate beautiful classical guitar. And he often
combines this entire range into one song.
He plays with well over a dozen bands as well as thrown-together
combinations, playing everything from jazz to rock-jazz-jam music
to his own versions of punk. (a small joke: what do you get when
you combine jazz and punk. Junk. What do you get when you
combine punk and jazz? P'zazz. anyway, that is what Nels plays).
A little description of some of his bands:
Nels Cline Trio -- with a bass player and drummer as good as Nels,
this sadly broken-up band was Nels in purest form. The 1995 CD
(below) was something of a "debut" of the new album Ground.
Most of the songs are really, really loud. (no vocals)
Banyan -- Jazz for a post-rock work. Improvisational songs around
pre-defined structures. Great flow from one song to another. Steve
Perkin's band; Nels & Mike Watt are frequent members, as well as
Willie & Dave on horns. (no vocals)
Geraldine Fibbers -- post-punk cowgirl band, often called "the best
new band from LA in the mid 90's" by many critics, before selling
zero records and being dumped. When Nels joined, he made the
band totally crazy! Vocals by Carla Bozolich.
Scarnella -- Just Carla & Nels. Droning noise with burst of beautiful
guitar brilliance. Some vocals by Carla. This radio show has a
continuous 36-minute performance.
Watt: Encore! Mike Watt calls his music Punk Rock because
Minutemen were called Punk Rock. It's some combination of punk
ethic with jazz expansiveness. On this CD, Watt does a lot of
great songs from other bands, Minutemen, Ball Hog, etc, with Nels
doing shreaking guitar solos. Nels even sings Madonna's "Secret
Garden," then, a new "Nels Cline trio" song (with Watt and Bob
Lee as the trio). Mike Watt sings most songs, also, Carla B, Nels,
etc on vocals.
If you like KING CRIMSON, I'd hightly recommend the Nels Cline
Trio.
If you like bands like MMW but wish they rocked more, you might
like Banyan.
If you like the modern combinations of Jazz, Hip-Hop, rock, funk,
and experimental music, but you hate the hip-hop, you might like
Watt!
One thing that defines all of these bands: they are angry and
demanding. They make great "stoner" music as well as for careful
listening, but they are not uplifting in the manner of Phish...
Here are the CD's again:
Nels Cline Trio - 4/25/95 ("from the vaults")
Geraldine Fibbers - El Rey - 6/7/96 (w/ Nels)
(classic show finally ready after 2 1/2 years of post-production)
Scarnella - KBOO-FM - 11/25/98 (Nels & Carla)
Mike Watt: Encore! - 12/10/98 & others (/w Nels/Carla/Petra)
(1hr13mins of great encore material/covers)
Banyan - 2/2/99 (w/ Nels & Watt)
--G
From: SYockus@aol.com
Subject: DAT>Musical Fidelity X24>DAT
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:10:38 EST
Has anyone played with this $499 product (X24) from the British 'Musical
Fidelity' company? It has a new 24-bit/96-Khz Burr Brown DAC in it. The unit
recognizes 44.1 and 48 Khz digital input, and it has a digital out. This unit
is supposed to enhance the sound we hear at playback by accepting the incoming
source's digital signal and "internally processing the data @ 96Khz with 8x
oversampling and 24 bits".....Even though DAT>X24>DAT would not be creating a
true clone (my concession to the purists) and granted DAT gives us 16 bit
(correct me if I misquote) capability on playback, I'm curious if there
is/would be an appreciable difference in sound quality on the clone? Either
way, I'd be curious to 'blind listen' to my decks with and without it in the
loop.
Curious and scraping some $$ together,
Sean Yockus
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