DAT-Heads Digest #798
Contents:
Billy Joel DATs - Especially 2/23 ("Daniel D. Speter")
Sonic Foundry CD Factory (Peter Weiglin)
Re: Cable Question ("David D. Rogers")
Anyone like Babe the Blue Ox? (KindTaper@aol.com)
Re: bassy csb's ("David D. Rogers")
Ratdog 11.3.98 for trade (Steve Gilbert)
90m tapes up the ass ("'Bebop' Pete Heilig")
Re: DAT-Heads Digest #797 (allan chen)
Re Standalone vs. digital soundcard ("Gary Davis")
RE: What does Sound Forge do when.....? (Mark McHarg)
Chris Whitley Tour (Saovh@aol.com)
Dylan Sunrise and Daytona for trade ("paul gluchniz")
mmw (GaoBest@aol.com)
Re: HI-VAL blank CDs??? sort of (jay fagan)
Re: my friend stuck a 90m tape up his ass (Frank Cusack)
Dave Matthews 2/28/99 Columbia, MO (Randy Canis)
Sony TCD-D8 - Newbie Cleaning Question ("Pavman")
Re: fostex/tascam (Andrew Haley)
fostex/tascam (Mark Mayhle)
re: re: ISO Sony sbm-1/ cd factory? (Bill Mitchell)
From: "Daniel D. Speter" <MrKite67@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Billy Joel DATs - Especially 2/23
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:26:41 -0500
Just came back from the Billy Joel show at Continenatl Air Arena, and the show rocked! Billy was in rare form. Did anyone out there happen to get it on DAT? I'm also interested in trading for other Joel dats. Please e-mail me and hopefully we can trade.
Regards,
Dan
From: Peter Weiglin <omnibus@datatamers.com>
Subject: Sonic Foundry CD Factory
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:36:46 -0800
Keith Cetera <kcetera@erols.com> wrote:
Subject: ISO Sony sbm-1/ cd factory?
> ...Also, anyone have any experience/comments on a cd-burner called the
> "professional cd factory" by sonic foundry? I am not too educated when
> it comes to cd burners, and have a chance to get one for cheap.
====
I got one of these a while back, and it has worked like a charm. Comes with
SoundForge XP, the "lite" digital audio editing software. As one who remembers
editing 1/4-inch tape with razor blades and an Edi-Tall block (Bless you, Joe
Tall!), the ability to cut and paste audio in the same way as with a word
processor (even the same commands) is amazing. We use it for the Golden Gate
Radio Orchestra reference CDs; no problems.
Peter Weiglin
www.radiorch.org
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: Cable Question
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:46:15 -0800
>From: Robert Ian Hoffman <rih5@columbia.edu>
>Subject: Cable Question
>Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:47:40 -0500 (EST)
>
>
>Sorry that this question isn't digital, but it does deal with my DAT deck.
>I have a Sony M1 and use a monster cable 1/8"->RCA for analog dubbing.
>Recently, I have had problems with the left channel almost completely
>dropping out...this is occuring through the cable (or the jack) and levels
>are normal on the DAT player. The other thing is that there is a hum
>which is sent through the cable that registers around -8 db on my analog
>deck. When ever this hum is occuring, I can give the cable the slightest
>tap anywhere...and it usually goes away (or it may require a few taps).
>I'm pretty sure it isn't the 1/8" jack because if the hum is occuring I
>can tap the cable without it really moving in the jack and the hum goes
>away. Lastly, if I touch the 1/8" male plug on the cable with my finger
>it generates the hum...it depends if I touch the tip or the ring (I think
>this is the right terminology) for generating the hum in either the left
>or right channel. Does anyone know what's going on? Thanks,
Your second "problem" is normal, but the first one isn't. The problem where
you have to tap on the cable is most likely caused by a bad connection
somewhere in there. Eventually, you'll have to replace it. The second
"problem" is caused by the electricity in your body sending a signal to the
RCA inputs on your preamp--nothing to worry about! It will happen with any
1/8"-to-RCA cable.
Peace,
<> David
From: KindTaper@aol.com
Subject: Anyone like Babe the Blue Ox?
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:50:18 EST
I taped them tonight in Atlanta and would love to trade. Very interesting
show.
Only ~50 minutes long, it will fit nicely on 1 cd or a 60M.
The source is SBD>SBM-1>D8. If anyone is interested, please send a list.
thanks,
Wes
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: bassy csb's
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:04:32 -0800
>From: "Edwin T. Pankau" <pankau@fas.harvard.edu>
>Subject: bassy csb's
>Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:28:55 -0500 (EST)
>
>i have recorded 4 or 5 concerts so far with my csb's siwtched to bass-roll
>off. they are still too bassy. i have to end up cutting the bass in cool
>edit, which takes for ever. any suggestions?
You could record less-bassy shows. :) Seriously, it is a problem with some
shows, but in general I think it gets it about right most of the
time--getting enough bass to groove to, but not so much that it overwhelms
the speakers. (Most shows I tape are in small clubs or coffeehouses--where
the bass is heavy, I use the roll-off. But they always have less bass than
a night club, stadium or sports arena.) There was one concert I taped where
I could feel the bass through the enitre show, and the tape still had way
too much bass. I can only imagine what it would've been like if I hadn't
used the bass roll-off module. I think part of the problem is that the
CSBs are too sensitive to bass in the first place, but for a pair or $250
mics, they sound really good overall. (Core's High-End Binaurals, for
example, are reputed to be less boomy.) Another problem is more basic--the
bass roll-off feature is fixed, and it's going to be too much for some
shows, and too little for others. It seems to me that it is a necessary
compromise, unless you're going to have multiple settings.
Peace,
From: Steve Gilbert <gilbert@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: Ratdog 11.3.98 for trade
Reply-to: gilbert@cs.utk.edu
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:43:55 -0500
I've somehow ended up with an extra copy of
Ratdog 11.3.98 in Milwaukee. It's on a 90m
Maxell tape, but the entire show fits perfectly
on a 60m. I'd like to do a trade for a 60m tape.
Send me your list if interested. Here are the
details:
Ratdog 11-3-98
Riverside Theater, Milwaukee, WI
90m 48k
FOB Neumann KM-184 > Star Quad > Denecke PS-1s >
Sony SBM-1 > Sony PCM-M1
11th row, dead center on a 8 ft. stand
Steve Gilbert
gilbert@cs.utk.edu
From: "'Bebop' Pete Heilig" <bebop@imagine.com>
Subject: 90m tapes up the ass
Reply-To: <bebop@imagine.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 03:17:29 -0500
I'd say we're definitely in need of a thorough WET CLEANING after this job
is done.
From: allan chen <kaiyen@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Re: DAT-Heads Digest #797
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:26:44 -0800
>A man after my own heart. I posted previously regarding Gary's
>opinions on standalone recorders vs. a soundcard, and he never
>replied. I feel he's adding another step of possible signal
>degradation by going from dat to standalone-cdr to cd-rom of pc and
>then to hard-drive (??). And then back to dat? How the hell were you
>doing that again, Gary? So many steps I forgot...
it's definitely possible to lose a bit here or there since cd drives are
usually not bit-accurate (except for the plextor drives or if you're using
EAC), but it's a logical way to go about the transfer.
burn to cdr or cdrw on a standalone
extract the audio to your hard drive
edit it all you want, get the tracking just right, burn a final cd.
if you use cdrw's for it, you can even erase and reuse the discs.
As long as you are careful when extracting the audio to the hard drive,
there should be no signal degradation at all.
allan chen
==================================================
kaiyen@stanford.edu Stanford University
http://www.stanford.edu/~kaiyen History, Class of 2000
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Re Standalone vs. digital soundcard
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:07:23 -0800
> A man after my own heart. I posted previously regarding Gary's
> opinions on standalone recorders vs. a soundcard, and he never
> replied. I feel he's adding another step of possible signal
> degradation by going from dat to standalone-cdr to cd-rom of pc and
> then to hard-drive (??). And then back to dat? How the hell were you doing
> that again, Gary? So many steps I forgot...
If you subscribe to the "bits are bits" theory, the extra steps don't
effect the music. There are both advantages and disadvantages to
any method. Each digital soundcard solution seems to have a
drawback (no sample rate converter, forced SRC to 48K, poor
Windows/PCI compatibility, high price, or ??). With my method,
you save buying a digital soundcard, and you get two burners
instead of one.
--G
From: Mark McHarg <MGM@symbionics.co.uk>
Subject: RE: What does Sound Forge do when.....?
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:35:51 -0000
I stated:
>Increase the volume before any other processing (sample-rate conversion,
>EQ, NR, whatever).
Then CUNNINGHAM@PSC.EDU asked:
> What does Sound Forge do when you've normalized and then EQ with a curve
> that requires more power, (like adding lots of bass). Does it perform an
> automatic gain reduction, or overload/compress or what?
I should think it would simply clip. I doubt seriously that it would do
any automatic level-adjust or compression.
Note I didn't say you should _normalise_ then EQ, just that if you're going
to boost the volume you should do it before any other sound manipulation.
If you're planning to EQ with substantial gain in some bands, you need to
leave headroom for that. Adjust the volume to leave your peaks well below
0dB. Maybe -6, depending on how much EQ boost you intend to add.
I will admit I hadn't thought about this one, but you will get marginally
better results by doing the volume boost first.
Check the statistics again after EQ to ensure you haven't clipped.
From: Saovh@aol.com
Subject: Chris Whitley Tour
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:01:02 EST
Hey dat heads,
everyone please go out and tape chris on this tour. He allows taping, and his
label backs him up on it!
I have some great whitley to trade
scott
Here are scattered confirmed dates through May. Of course, many more will
be filled in. March 1-20 are opening slots for Jonny Lang, the rest are
Chris Whitley headlining shows.
DATE CITY VENUE
3/1 Kalamazoo, MI State Theater
3/2 Ft. Wayne, IN Piere's
3/4 Detroit, MI State Theater
3/6 Pittsburgh, PA Soldiers & Sailors
3/7 Philadelphia, PA Electric Factory
3/8 Red Bank, NJ Count Basie Theater
3/10 New York, NY Hammerstein Ballroom
3/12 New Haven, CT Palace Theater
3/13 Boston, MA Orpheum Theater
3/14 Providence, RI Lupo's
3/16 Portland, ME State Theater
3/18 Quebec, QC Theater Capitole
3/19 Montreal, QC St. Dennis Theater
3/20 Toronto, ON Music Hall
3/21 Ottawa, ON Perfect Strangers
3/23 Rochester, NY Milestones
3/24 Buffalo, NY The Traff
3/25 Cleveland, OH Peabody's
3/26 Columbus, OH Little Brothers
3/27 Chicago, IL Martyr's
3/28 Chicago, IL Martyr's
3/29 Milwaukee, WI Shank Hall
3/31 Minneapolis, MN Fine Line
4/2 St. Louis, MO American Theater
4/3 Columbia, MO The Blue Note
4/6 Boulder, CO Fox Theater
4/14 Seattle, WA Tractor Tavern
4/15 Seattle, WA Tractor Tavern
4/16 Portland, OR Berbati's Pan
4/21 Los Angeles, CA The Roxy
4/22 San Diego, CA Brick By Brick
4/28 Little Rock, AR Juanita's
4/29 Dallas, TX Gypsy Tea Room
5/1 Austin, TX Antone's
5/18 Washington, DC Iota
5/19 Baltimore, MD Fletcher's
5/20 Philadelphia, PA Tin Angel
5/21 Philadelphia, PA Tin Angel
5/22 New York, NY Bowery Ballroom
From: "paul gluchniz" <paulphis@hotmail.com>
Subject: Dylan Sunrise and Daytona for trade
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 04:25:43 PST
I have nice copies of the Dylan shows in Sunrise and Daytona
Beach, Florida for trade. Looking for the Tallahassee and Pensacola
shows or nice good quality dats of the Van Morrison shows in the
West Coast from last month.
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From: GaoBest@aol.com
Subject: mmw
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:03:00 EST
hey kids
i know this sounds silly but can one person just kindly email and tell me who
MMW are or what they are? i know it's nothing i listen to, but i'm a curious
person.
mike
gaobest@Aol.com
From: jay fagan <jbird@bicnet.net>
Subject: Re: HI-VAL blank CDs??? sort of
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:54:35 -0500
Haven't tried these yet but, if you're looking for empty jewel cases try
American Digital.
http://www.american-digital.com
They have the cases plus the double & triple inserts for your 2&3 cd sets.
I don't recall the price but it was certainly resonable.
jay
From: Frank Cusack <fcusack@iconnet.net>
Subject: Re: my friend stuck a 90m tape up his ass
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:12:42 -0500
David Sorochty writes:
> >> From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
> >> Subject: Re: my friend stuck a 90m tape up his ass
> >>
> >> My friend actually did this at a recent show...
> > > it worked too, the goons never found his tape.
>
>
> > From: Jay Fitzgerald <jayfitz@micron.net>
> > Subject: 90m tapes up the ass
> > Reply-To: jayfitz@micron.net
> > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:23:49 -0700
>
> > I think 60M tapes would work better- more room for the gerbil.
>
> Would that be considered analog in/digital out? (Just wondering)
>
Actually I think it would be digital in/analog out. :)
~frank
From: Randy Canis <700083@fs3.law.missouri.edu>
Subject: Dave Matthews 2/28/99 Columbia, MO
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:09:46 -0600
People camped out for tickets for this show, and even though I got up at
5:00 am I couldn't get a ticket. BUT, this week my friend won two tickets
to the show so I AM GOING! A few things:
1 - If you are also going to the show and DATing (like me), let me know...
2 - Do Dave and Tim allow board access at all? I have an ADAT that I could
record the show with as well...
3 - The setup I will be recording with is CSB-->D8. No Mic stands are
allowed (according to the Music Committee)
4 - I will post a write up on the show, and a way to trade for the DAT (or
CDs). I'm guessing that I may be one of the few (or the only) people
DATing it.
Anyway, I'll mail everyone Monday to let you know how the DAT turned out...
Randy
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From: "Pavman" <pavman@geocities.com>
Subject: Sony TCD-D8 - Newbie Cleaning Question
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:26:12 -0500
Hi all,
(short time lurker, first time poster)
I recently got a TCD-D8, and I was wondering what would
be the best maintenance schedule/routine. I have the
Sony DAT-Cleaning cartridge, and the manual recommends
running the cleaning tape for 10 seconds every 10 hours
of use. Is this the generally accepted wisdom?
Thanks for the bandwidth.
L8R
Bill
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From: Andrew Haley <aph@pasanda.cygnus.co.uk>
Subject: Re: fostex/tascam
Date: 24 Feb 1999 14:35:41 -0000
> From: GaoBest@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:01:08 EST
>
> In a message dated 2/9/99 08:45:12 PM, you wrote:
>
> <<The D5 is physically identical to the DA20mkII. However, the D5 has
> superior I/O, with fully balanced analog and digital. It also has
> SPDIF optical.>>
>
> Quick question, when I saw an advert in London for the Fostex D5, the sign
> mentioned that it was Tascam, despite also saying "Fostex D5" - so is Fostex
> owned by Tascam?
Panasonic make both machines: they're based on the Panasonic D-05.
Tascam and Fostex are independent of one another.
> Most importantly though, will either machine work with the Sony D100, as I
> do'nt have the PCM-M1 machine that Andrew mentioned using with the Fostex D5.
The Sony D100 and PCM-M1 are more or less identical. However, the
D100 does have SCMS problems, but you should have no trouble going
D100 to Fostex D5. I haven't tried that.
Andrew.
From: Mark Mayhle <mmayhle@crl.com>
Subject: fostex/tascam
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:36:23 -0800 (PST)
>>Most importantly though, will either machine work with the Sony D100, as
I do'nt have the PCM-M1 machine that Andrew mentioned using with the
Fostex D5. I know that I need to get a good home DAT that will avoid the
SCMS problem, and it seems that the Fostex D5 and the Tascam DA20 are the
best quality & value decks to use... any other suggestions are of course
appreciated. <<
I use a D100 with a DA20mkII and it works fine-- just set the Tascam to
ignore SCMS and use the D100 for playback. The D5 will be fine too
although may need a bit more elaborate cables/adapters to get the two
talking.
--
Mark Mayhle
mmayhle@crl.com (preferred address)
mmayhle@netcom.com (please use only if mail to crl.com bounces)
From: Bill Mitchell <bill.mitchell@sabre.com>
Subject: re: re: ISO Sony sbm-1/ cd factory?
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:16:13 -0600
> Keith, i would highly suggest just going for the SCSI internal Plextor
> Plexwriter, it has all the features that Sonic Foundry suggests and
> coupled with proper software, mostly shareware, you could do anything
> you wanted with the thing. Also, they are in the $300-$350
> neighborhood, about half of what you would pay for the Sonic Foundry
> drive. Check it out at this site.
> http://www.plextor.com/820cdr.htm
>
Just wanted to let everyone know that price reflects the 4/12 burner not
the 8/20, i was mistaken. Sorry for misleading anyone. And if you
haven't found it yet, one of the best places to shop on the internet for
computer stuff is www.pricewatch.com it queries about 20 different
stores for the best price and shows you if what you are looking for is
in stock (sometimes). 4/12 burner lists at two places on Pricewatch for
$277 and $285. Cheapest for the 8/20 is $404 and $405. Just take a
look.
sorry for lack of DAT shtuff.
bill
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