DAT-Heads Digest #900
Contents:
re: easy CD creater deluxe (Ramon Giorgi)
Re: SACD to be released, probably doomed (Andrew Haley)
Neil Young Nashville tonight! (THB)
ISO: Neil Young LA 3/22 & 3/23 (THB)
Gathering of the Vibes (Rick Gebhard)
Re: Why Normalize? (James Treworgy)
Re: looking for Wes Police (KindTaper@aol.com) ("Darren Stein")
24-bit source ("Rob Bertrando")
RE: Quality of Maxell CD-Rs ("mark wilkins")
For Sale: Stealth Mics (RC)
free 3 days 2 nights hotel stay (odds@newmail.net)
Ozric Tentacles ("Larry J. Abballe")
H/L switch on Sony D8 ("Jonathan Riesenfeld")
BEST MIC'S USED FOR DEAD 8-2-76 AND/OR 5-28-77 ("edward gryniuk")
WTB: TASCAM PS-D1 AC adapter for DA-P1 (Ki Choi)
ISO Stones in Chicago (March show) and Memphis ("Chris Feldott")
Re: SACD (Mark Dulcey)
Wilco ("Michael R. Shiner")
RE: differences from SBM-1 (Greg Dunn)
RE: M1 battery sale take 2 (20 hour rechargable battery??) (willard robinson)
roger waters tour dates!! (Chris Bold)
From: Ramon Giorgi <giorgi@xs4all.nl>
Subject: re: easy CD creater deluxe
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:14:36 +0200
You can record DISC AT ONCE using Easy CD Creator deluxe.
- select your audio files
- go to FILE/Create CD
- choose second tab
- check the box, Disc at once
That should the job :-)
Or you can use CDRWIN from Goldenhawk.
From: Andrew Haley <aph@pasanda.cygnus.co.uk>
Subject: Re: SACD to be released, probably doomed
Date: 15 Apr 1999 09:06:34 -0000
> From: swsmith@ix.netcom.com
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:16:04 -0500 (CDT)
>
> You wrote:
>
> >We will never have a 24-bit quality source. It can't be done.
>
> >Andrew.
> Never say 'never', Andrew. You'll be like the guy at the Wright
> Brothers' shop who wanted to keep working on bicycles. :) . . . and
> it's already been done,
I has not been done. A 24-bit quality source has THD+N at -140dB.
There is no microphone on this earth that good, no microphone
amplifier that good, and no recording studio on earth that quiet.
Think about what 144dB is. A dynamic range from the quietest
anechoic room to a sound loud enough instantly to deafen you.
What's the point?
> it's just too damn expensive for the average guy like you or me to
> own one yet.
No it hasn't. 24-bit audio quality has never been achieved.
> Sort of reminds me of where television was back in the early '50s
> . . . "Who'd ever buy one of those when you can go to the movies for
> a dime?" ;) The new Tascam DA-45HR 24 bit DAT machine seems to be of
> enough quality to be selling rapidly to the high end studios & even
> some of the project/small studio owners.
They call it a 24-bit machine, but it only records at 18 bit quality:
look at the specs.
There are lies, damn lies, and marketing.
Andrew.
From: THB <tbugsett@online.no>
Subject: Neil Young Nashville tonight!
Reply-To: tbugsett@online.no
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:26:12 +0200
Anyone taping Neil Young at the Opry in Nashville tonight?
- Thor
From: THB <tbugsett@online.no>
Subject: ISO: Neil Young LA 3/22 & 3/23
Reply-To: tbugsett@online.no
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:17:17 +0200
I'm looking for high quality (Schoeps etc) DAT's of Neil's two Wiltern
shows 3/22 & 3/23. Tons of Neil for trade. (Only the first eight shows
from this ongoing tour so far but more are coming)
- Thor
From: Rick Gebhard <rgebhard@remc7.k12.mi.us>
Subject: Gathering of the Vibes
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:36:46
Has anybody out there gone to the first 3 or going this year? I'd
appreciate any stories, comments, etc. My wife and I are considering the
12 hour drive and any input would be helpful.
Thanks,
Rick
From: James Treworgy <jamie@treworgy.com>
Subject: Re: Why Normalize?
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:45:15 -0700
Mark Dulcey <mark@buttery.org> wrote:
>If you're just transferring straight from DAT to CD with no processing,
>the only advantage to normalizing is to make the volume of the CD more
>similar to other CDs. Your homemade CD probably still won't sound as loud,
Not true. If you don't amplify digitally, then your amp will need to do
the same job in the analog domain each time you play the CD. The bulk of
your signal will be at a low input level and the resultant, amplified sound
will be a lot dirtier than it would been had it been digitally amplified in
advance.
From: "Darren Stein" <dstein@njcmail.ups.com>
Subject: Re: looking for Wes Police (KindTaper@aol.com)
Reply-To: "Darren Stein" <dstein@njcmail.ups.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:16:27 -0400
I feel your pain. I sent this guy two halloween tickets last year and in
return he was supposed to spin me about 10 shows. I never got anything!!
=====Original Message=====
From: Elliot Jackson <elliotjackson@hotmail.com>
To: sugarmegs@sugarmegs.org <sugarmegs@sugarmegs.org>;
dat-heads@fedney.near.net <dat-heads@fedney.near.net>
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 7:41 PM
Subject: looking for Wes Police (KindTaper@aol.com)
>Hey guys,
>
>About a month and a half ago, I put up a post on these two lists
>looking for some live Sting or Police, which led to a b&p offer made
>to me by the above person. Since then I sent the four cd's he offered
>to burn for me, but have not received anything or heard from him (even
>though I emailed him sometime last week). Wes, if you receive this
>message, I'd really like to hear from you regarding this. Also, keep
>in mind that I'm not labeling you a bad trader or rip-off artist.
>I'm just getting worried about it, which I'm sure everyone on these
>two lists can relate to, since we've all had at least one bad
>experience with trading (I had a situation a few months ago where the
>person I was trading with sent out the cd's five months after I sent
>out mine). It's just been a while since I've heard from you. Anyway,
>all I'm looking for is some peace of mind regarding this matter, so if
>you know Wes or have traded with him before, or are him, I'd really
>appreciate some info.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Elliot
>
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From: "Rob Bertrando" <rbbert@pyramid.net>
Subject: 24-bit source
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:39:17 -0700
I think what is meant here, is that such a source (or a sound) doesn't exist
in nature. A 144 dB dynamic range exceeds what the ear can hear, in any
practical sense. That is, a realistic quiet level is 20-25 dB; Threshold of
pain is about 130 dB, so anything above 110 dB, perhaps with an extra 10-20
dB for headroom, is wasted. That's still well short of 24-bits, or 144 dB.
From: "mark wilkins" <wilkinsmd@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Quality of Maxell CD-Rs
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:47:40 PDT
You folks may get more info if you ask on the CD-R list.
To subscribe send mail to: listserver@nt.navpoint.com
with SUBSCRIBE CDR in the body of the message.
Mark
RWShepherd@aol.com wrote:
>Toby G. wrote:
>
>>SInce posting a request on the quality of (Memorex CDRs), I've
>received 23
>>responses:
>>9 highly favorable
>>7 favorable
>>4 average
>>3 very unfavorable
>
>OK, I'm really curious what people think of Maxell CD-R's. Are they
>worth
>using? Have you experienced problems with them?
>
>Please e-mail me privately and I'll post the results in a week.
>
>Thanks,
>Rob
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From: RC <richard.cuiffo@citicorp.com>
Subject: For Sale: Stealth Mics
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:53:48 -0400
For Sale Audio Technica AT822 Stereo Mic with all cables and case $130
For Sale Sound Professionals Binaural Mics with Bass rolloff Filter -
$100
Both barely used. Contact me directly for info.
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From: "Larry J. Abballe" <abballe@sprynet.com>
Subject: Ozric Tentacles
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:59:16 -0400
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-Larry
From: "Jonathan Riesenfeld" <jriesenfeld@hotmail.com>
Subject: H/L switch on Sony D8
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:04:40 PDT
Just got an audio technica AT822, I'm taping my first show with it
Friday night. The band i'm taping is a folk band a local in houston.
I am wondering if the mic switch on the D8 should be set to H/l, I
lost my book that came with it. Any help would be appreciated
Thanks
Jon
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From: "edward gryniuk" <eddiegeee@hotmail.com>
Subject: BEST MIC'S USED FOR DEAD 8-2-76 AND/OR 5-28-77
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:31:14 PDT
ANYONE HAVE ANY INFO ON THIS? THANKS, ED.
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From: Ki Choi <kichoi@execpc.com>
Subject: WTB: TASCAM PS-D1 AC adapter for DA-P1
Reply-To: kichoi@alumni.duke.edu
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:32:01 -0500
Hi,
If you have one PS-D1 AC adapter/charger for Tascam DA-P1, please send
me its condition and price.
Regards,
Ki
From: "Chris Feldott" <C_Feldott@ppc1904.com>
Subject: ISO Stones in Chicago (March show) and Memphis
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:52:54 -0500
Subject says it all....tons to trade....help me out please!!
Peace!
Chris
From: Mark Dulcey <mark@ziplink.net>
Subject: Re: SACD
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:12:35 -0400 (EDT)
On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Digestifier wrote:
> Sony just announced that they will be releasing a SACD player in
> Japan next month for around $4100 U.S. Although Sony previously stated
> that the SACD would be backwards compatible with regular CDs (meaning
> that they could be played on regular CD players), they now state that this
> will not be the case.
> Interesting enough, Sony nows says that they will support DVD-Audio!
> Yes, this is the format that SACD is/was competing with.
Unless SACD turns out to have really compelling sonic advantages (not just
over standard CD, but over DVD-Audio as well), I think this means the
format is dead as a doornail. It has now lost its only unique selling
point.
DVD-Audio, on the other hand, will probably succeed. Not so much because
there is a huge demand for an improved audio product right now (there IS
such a demand in the audiophile community, but it may be a hard sell
outside that), but because it's a low-cost add-on to DVD players, and the
industry will welcome a feature that will permit them a $50-100 upsell.
The incremental costs to DVD-Audio (compared to a standard DVD player)
are four more 24/96 capable DACs (just about all new DVD player designs
are already including them for the two main channels), and some extra DSP
power for the Meridian Lossless Packing decompression.
This doesn't mean, of course, that these inexpensive players will actually
deliver anything resembling 24 bit resolution. But 24/96 evidently sounds
better even on modest hardware such as existing DVD players, as experience
with the 24-bit audio-only DVDs that some audiophile record companies have
produced shows. And with a large installed base, discs will start to
appear; at first, it will be mostly classical and reissues of a limited
number of popular pop/rock albums.
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From: "Michael R. Shiner" <mshine19@idt.net>
Subject: Wilco
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:13:27 -0400
I'm looking for folks that might be taping, or interesting in taping the
following Wilco shows.....if the date isn't listed, the show is already
covered....please drop me an e-mail privately and I'll give you the
scoop.....
Mike
mshine19@idt.net
April 15 Urbana IL The Canopy
April 17 Toronto ONT The Guvemment
April 19 Northhampton MA Pearl St.
April 22 Baltimore MD Michael's 8th Avenue
April 23 Boston MA Avalon Ballroom
April 24 Providence RI Brown Univ. Alumni Hall
April 27 Virginia Beach VI The Abyss
April 28 Knoxville TN The Tennessee Theater
April 30 Charleston SC The Music Farm
May 1 Atlanta GA Music Midtown
May 2 Nashville TE River Stages
May 4 Louisville KY Headliners
May 5 Cincinnati OH Bogart's
May 6 Detroit MI Majestic Theater
May 7 Chicago IL The Riviera
June 5 Oslo NORWAY Norwegian Wood Music Fest.
June 23 London UK Earl's Court (with R.E.M.)
Aug 17 San Antonio TX Retama Park (with R.E.M.)
Aug 19 St. Louis MO Riverport (with R.E.M.)
Aug 20 Chicago IL New World (with R.E.M.)
Aug 21 St. Paul MN Midway Stad. (with R.E.M.)
Aug 23 Clarkston MI Pine Know (with R.E.M.)
Aug 24 Toronto ON Molson Amph. (with R.E.M.)
Aug 25 Cleveland OH Blossom M.C. (with R.E.M.)
Aug 27 Raleigh NC Walnut Creek (with R.E.M.)
Aug 30 Atlanta GA Chastain Park (with R.E.M.)
From: Greg Dunn <gdunn@ssg.ci.in.ameritech.com>
Subject: RE: differences from SBM-1
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:55:25 -0500
> The cheapest way, by far, to get that "warm, rich sound" you seek
> is a good equalizer. Doesn't have to be digital, just a home stereo
> model with at least 10 bands per channel. (Though I am now
> somewhat partial to using a Parametric EQ, they are significantly
> more difficult to use).
>
> Using EQ isn't cheating -- it's the way professional engineers make
> thing sound good.
Having taped hundreds of hours of live music in situations where (being with
the band :) I had unlimited choice of location and equipment, I
wholeheartedly agree with Gary. I have used gear ranging from a portable
Sony with homebrew omni condenser mics to a top-line Tascam with expensive
commercial cardioid mics. I've been able to use different equipment at the
same venue with the same artist performing, for comparison purposes. In all
cases in my tapes, the sound of the PA/hall overwhelmed any differences in
my equipment. In nearly all cases, I desperately needed EQ on the tapes to
get rid of the PA/hall colorations. :-)
That said, I would love to be able to EQ the input to the deck so that I
don't have to muck around with the signal too much afterward.
Unfortunately, that really requires a soundproof room to listen to the EQ'ed
input signal accurately; headphones can rarely shut out the direct sound
from the PA sufficiently to do the job. What I usually do is preset the EQ
based on my previous experience with the setup, which gets me closer. On
older tapes, I have resorted to cloning analog and cleaning up the EQ that
way, but I hate running the signal back to analog even for this -- I'm too
much of a purist sometimes. :-)
The other alternative is to use a digital EQ after I suck the program into
my computer for editing; but I haven't yet found a good multiband EQ plugin
for my sound editor, and the results of using a shelving EQ are usually fair
to poor. I want an expensive software suite or a Finalizer/digital EQ box.
Sigh.
From: willard robinson <willr@star.net>
Subject: RE: M1 battery sale take 2 (20 hour rechargable battery??)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:23:59 -0400
>- the battery runs for up to 20 hours not 2 hours - sorry
>From: "John L. Dozier Jr" <jdozier@umich.edu>
>Subject: M1 battery sale
>Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:16:52 -0400
>The Radio shack rechargeable battery (the AA CD rechargeable that lasts for
>2 hours a charge) is on sale across the nation - only $20. I just bought
>one to run my M1. I have not tested it out, but it seems like a bargain.
20 hours - are you shure - if this is the case it is much better
than burning LIs in my M1/SBM1 - but again, are you shure it is 20 hours????
tc
Will
From: Chris Bold <r2d2@quik.com>
Subject: roger waters tour dates!!
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:48:13 -0700
go to roger-waters.com & see tour dates!!!
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