DAT-Heads Digest #903
Contents:
FS: DA-P1 w/o AC adpater $650 "AS IS" (Ki Choi)
Anyone Taping Hole in Philly? (The Brood)
Re: For Sale: Stealth Mics (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
why 24-bit storage? (Andrew Loewenstern)
GD, DMB DAT Trades? (Daniel Stephens)
FS: Philips 880 (Gordon Schuck)
Re: Sony SACD (Alex Douglass)
Upcoming 'Cat Power' tour.... (Brett)
looking for a used Sony SBM-1 (Kirk Gipson)
More on Noise-shaping (Gordon Gidluck)
* 4/24-5 Pousette-Dart & Oct. Project singer in NH ("Eric G. Postel")
Re: For Sale: Stealth Mics (Mikeyled36@aol.com)
wrong target market dont you think???? (Makisupa35@aol.com)
Need D8 info (Stuart Gerber)
CD cpmputer drives (MickeyDav@aol.com)
RE: Soundforge Corrups, Watch Out!!!!! ("rj")
TOP 500 INC. COMPANY SEEKS: (glz@duse.net)
From: Ki Choi <kichoi@execpc.com>
Subject: FS: DA-P1 w/o AC adpater $650 "AS IS"
Reply-To: kichoi@alumni.duke.edu
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:18:48 -0500
Hi Folks,
It's a long story...
If you already have a DA-P1 with 7.2V PS-D1 power supply, it will be an
ideal second deck for you.
I bought this DA-P1 with "50 hours use and in excellent condition" (i.e.
used) from an individual in Indiana 1/27/99 but never received the
PS-D1. I am tired and frustrated at this person's non response to my
request for the missing power supply, I am giving up and getting rid of
the DA-P1.
Here's my best "AS IS" description:
Cosmetically speaking, its rubber outside coating is in excellent
shape. It has about 0.5mm markings on two extruded edges that are not
too noticeable. I would give 9.5/10 rating.
The unit works fine using a PS-D1. I used it about five hours max.
making one digital transfer from CD to DAT without any problems using a
PS-D1 from an another unit. I don't have any mics so never tried live
recording. I honestly believe it is in flawless operating condition
using the Tascam AC power adapter/charger. However, it needs a "kick
start" if it is to be used on battery power. Everything works fine once
it is on under battery power as it operates with AC power. I have
already posted its quirky symptoms on dat-heads. I would be happy to
elaborate further if requested, along with fix suggestions I have
received from the good people from here. Most people thought that it
was a minor problem. I don't want to deal with it anymore. The battery
lasts about two hours as it should.
The unit includes a Xerox copy of the user's manual.
The unit has one sticker from the factory on the bottom but is missing
the sticker with the Serial Number. FWIW, the original owner assured me
that its origin is kosher. I believe him since he works for a reputable
educational institution with a respectable job.
No other accessories or original box are included, although I will box
it as well as it can be.
If you have any other questions on the unit or me, please send it to
kichoi@alumni.duke.edu.
As you can see, this DA-P1 is far from "excellent condition" as a whole
unit. Maybe it is if you are planning to use your existing AC
adapter...
Therefore, I am asking "AS IS" price of $650 prepaid with a US Postal
Money Order (to provide me with some comfort). The price includes US
Postal Certified Mail (to provide you with some comfort...) Delivery to
any place in continental US.
First come, First served...
I have bought and sold numerous high-end audio gear through the Net and
have many references including dealers (maybe near you) to supply if
requested. Matter of fact, if you are able to come to Milwaukee, WI,
you can inspect it for yourself, and I will demo the unit.
Thanks,
Ki
From: The Brood <eric@ptd.net>
Subject: Anyone Taping Hole in Philly?
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:06:53 -0400
Hi, I'm looking to see if anyone has already made plans
on taping the Hole show at the Electric Factory in
Philadelphia on May 15. I was going to go but was unable
to due to an expected trip, then I found people kind enough
to tape the show for me if I provided the ticket, and now
I found out the show sold out. So if anybody out there
already has a ticket and is taping, please let me know so
I can keep your e-mail address handy till the show is over,
then I'm sure we'll be able to work something out. I really
appreciate any help on this topic.
-Eric
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Re: For Sale: Stealth Mics
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:46:11 -0700
"Not to be stuffy or anything, but "Stealth Microphones" is a registered
trademark of Core Sound. Mics made by other manufacturers may be small
or unobtrusive, but they are not "Stealth Mics.""
whatever..........quit being so stuffy........Pete
From: Andrew Loewenstern <Andrew.Loewenstern@wdr.com>
Subject: why 24-bit storage?
Reply-To: andrew_loewenstern@wdr.com
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 99 18:13:42 -0500
Why 24-bit storage?
o - Going over 0dbFS sounds horrible. Having extra headroom allows
you to set your levels conservatively while tracking, preventing clipping,
without loosing resolution and without using a limiter.
o - When doing post processing you want to store at maximum bit-depth
in order to minimize 'roundoff error' between processing steps. Having a
medium that can hold 24-bit samples lets you backup material in the middle of
processing without loosing much.
o - You can hear into the analog noise floor. Even though there is
noise from mic transducer, analog components, the ambient environment, etc...
you can still hear the signal in that noise. There is a lot of information
down there. You definitely cannot hear below the noise floor of the digital
medium, however.
o - Future components will have much lower noise than today's components.
o - Changing formats is a pain. Having plenty of room to grow seems
like a prudent choice when setting standards. 4-extra bits beyond 20-bits is
only 25% more storage for 16-times the number of possible samples (256x beyond
16-bit with only 50% more storage!). That's not a lot, especially considering
that storage gets twice as dense for the same price every 18 months.
o - yes, the built in converters on the Tascam HR-24, for instance,
aren't very good. I'm surprised that anyone is acutally surprised by this. No
digital decks have anything approaching state of the art converters or analog
front-ends, nor have they ever had them (except perhaps very large and
expensive open reel multitracks). That's half of the reason why the deck has
digital I/O. So you can use your liquid nitrogen cooled GeeWhiz-2000 converter
(the other reason being cloning, of course). I doubt the designers of the
HR-24 thought anyone was seriously going to use the built in A/D converters,
except in a pinch.
o - this one is silly, but there is the chance that future technology
will be able to channel music directly into the auditory nerve, bypassing the
ear, allowing perception of >24-bit dynamic range and resolution. :-)
Seems like the benefits of 24-bit samples outweigh the detriments (25% more
storage space over 20-bit samples, and only 50% more storage than 16-bit).
andrew
(Would bet most of the people dismissing 24-bit samples have never listened to
properly recorded 20 or 24-bit material played back on a system capable of
reproducing it.)
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From: Daniel Stephens <dstephens@erinet.com>
Subject: GD, DMB DAT Trades?
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:29:17 -0400
Hello All,
I'm looking for hq reliable traders to hook up and trade some Grateful
Dead and some DMB. You can ping my list below.
peace,
Dan
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From: Gordon Schuck <daedalus@cmn.net>
Subject: FS: Philips 880
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:17:08 -0600
I'm selling this 'swap-able' CD-R recorder. Bought new in January,
e-mail me for more info.
Gordon Schuck
From: Alex Douglass <adouglas@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: Sony SACD
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:07:40 +0100
>From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
>Subject: Re: Sony SACD
>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:53:11 -0700
>>I guess this means that newer SACD players will have to incorporate MLP,
Meridian Lossless Packet(ing, izing?) already adopted by the standard
committe for DVD-Audio. This essentially compresses the data as it is
written to disc, and decompresses it when it is read for playback.
Furthermore, I've read that MLP is not used in the SACD encoding/decoding
process. Will these SACD/DVD-Audio players cost more? Maybe, since they
will have to license MLP (designed by Meridian Audio but licensed through
Dolby Labs).
>Not quite. SACD has its own lossless compression scheme, invented by
>Philips, that's a part of the SACD standard. It will already be a part of
>the royalties paid to Sony/Philips. Since Sony and Philips don't seem to be
>very big about making compromises, I very much doubt that SACD will be in
>many showrooms this Xmas.
Maybe I wasn't too clear on this point. Since Sony is to now support SACD encoded discs and MLP DVD-Audio encoded discs, the new players will have to be able to decode both SACD encoded and MLP encoded discs. These are 2 entirely different encoding/decoding methods. Since MLP is not a Sony/Phillips baby, royalties will have be paid to Dolby to use this technology. This will probably make them more expensive than the plain DVD-Audio (only) players.
Regards,
A.Douglass
From: Brett <phabel@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Upcoming 'Cat Power' tour....
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:07:23 +1000
hi all,
just got wind of some new dates for Cat Power, if anyone would be able
to get out to any of these shows and tape them, it'd be greatly
apprecaited :)
i have lots to trade and can cover taping costs if need be.....
4/29 - Chattanooga TN - Lamar's
4/30 - Nashvilile TN - End
5/8 - Tucson AZ - Club Congress
5/9 - Santa Monica - McCabe's Guitar Shop
5/11 - San Francisco - Bottom of da Hill performing to film "Passion of
Joan of Arc" (2 shows)
5/12 - Portland OR - Berbati's Pan with film
5/13 - Seattle - Crocodile with film (2 shows)
5/14 - Bellingham WA - WWU campus, Viking Union
5/16 - Chicago - Lounge Ax with film (2 shows)
5/17 - Toronto ONT - Horseshoe with film
5/19 - New York - Knitting Factory (2 shows)
5/20 - Atlanta - Echo Lounge with film (2 shows)
thanks,
Brett
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http://users.bigpond.net.au/bah/
From: Kirk Gipson <kpg2b@frank.mtsu.edu>
Subject: looking for a used Sony SBM-1
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:08:26 -0700
If anybody has one of these for sale in excellent working condition, please
mail me...
From: Gordon Gidluck <ggidluck@artelco.com>
Subject: More on Noise-shaping
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:29:05 -0700
> Subject: Noise-shaping
> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:39:37 -0700
> From: Gordon Gidluck <ggidluck@artelco.com>
> To: dat-heads@fedney.near.net
>
After my last post on noise-shaping, I was asked by a couple of people
about how the Symetrix 620 sounded comparing 20-bit/16-bit with
dither/16-bit with noise-shaping. To do this I went to the studio to
listen on loudspeakers. As I pointed out before, I can hear distortion
better on headphones, but when it comes to really loud levels I prefer
to use speakers.
Again, I was quite surprised with my findings. I was listening for a
slight difference in the 8k-10k and also up to 20k or so because that's
what the eq curve shows in the Symetrix manual for noise-shaping (I can
hear to about 17k, that's about it). Anyway no matter what output word I
used, I could not tell the difference between CD music upon playback
through the converter. Keep in mind, this is a 20-bit converter, and I
was trying to tell the difference in the sound when say a 20-bit
recording is truncated down to 16-bits and then dither added.
What I could tell very easily was when I turned up the amp with no audio
playing. Under those circumstances 20-bit had the least amount of noise.
16-bit with dither was slightly noisier, and 16-bit with noise shaping
was marginally better that 16-bit with dither but had more noise than
with 20-bit, of course.
Gordon Gidluck
From: "Eric G. Postel" <EricPostel@compuserve.com>
Subject: * 4/24-5 Pousette-Dart & Oct. Project singer in NH
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:41:51 -0400
If any tapers are in the vacinity of Londerderry NH April 24 and 25th and
might want to see an interesting concert, please let me know. I would be
more than happy to cover the cost of the ticket in exchange for a copy of
the tape. The show headliner is Jon Pousette-Dart. The opener is Marina
Belica, one of the singers for the now disbanded October Project. Marnia
will be singing OP songs, one of her own and covers.
I will be overseas so I can't go. Let me know if you can.
Eric
From: Mikeyled36@aol.com
Subject: Re: For Sale: Stealth Mics
Reply-To: Mikeyled36@aol.com
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 01:36:33 EDT
Why copyright a description of something?? that's like McDonalds
copyrighting "cold" as in "Cold" Large drink!!! Don't wanna make anyone mad
just giving my opinion. Me and the rest of us could in no way have guessed
that that was copyrightrf or trademarked by Core-Sound
Mikey
From: Makisupa35@aol.com
Subject: wrong target market dont you think????
Reply-To: Makisupa35@aol.com
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 01:53:17 EDT
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Subject: Announcing The Most Powerful Cellulite Reducing Product Ever
Formulated!
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:14:23 -0500
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From: Stuart Gerber <stuart@mindspring.com>
Subject: Need D8 info
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 01:59:24 -0400
i am currenlty looking into buying a D8 off eBay considering i win the
auction however before it ends i wanted to get a littlem ore info
i am also looking briefly in to the D100 used ..seeing how much i can buy
one from someone who has one to get rid of..
anyways i needed to know pros, cons on the D8 .. connection types for
patching ,etc.. please respond ASAP my auction ends after htis weekend..
thanx,
stuart
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From: MickeyDav@aol.com
Subject: CD cpmputer drives
Reply-To: MickeyDav@aol.com
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 04:14:20 EDT
Sorry for the lack of DAT content, but I am a DAt user who would like to know
more about the CD- Record systems, and drives. I would like to know if
anyone has had any problems with Pacific Digital drives or not?......
Any inquires welcome...
MickeyDav@aol.com
"Sometimes the songs that we hear, are just songs of our own......."
"
From: "rj" <rrjacobson@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Soundforge Corrups, Watch Out!!!!!
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 04:42:59 -0400
::lurk mode off::
i almost never throw my $.02 in on the digest, but i hate seeing
great software get trashed like this...i've used sound forge from
4.0 through 4.5 to edit literally hundreds of hours of audio on
three different operating systems (95, 98 and NT) with a dozen
different hardware configurations, and i've never (outside of user error)
had a "corrupted" file...while i should say that most of my experience
is with the "full" versions of soundforge (as opposed to the XP or
"lite" version), i have used XP with the same degree of success...
> I get glitch free audio with Samplitude, Cool Edit Pro and Wavelab
> everytime. So, watch out for corrupt versions of Soundforge out
> there!! I think it's a .dll issue of non-compatability. Anyway,
> Soudforge sucks, the other programs are not as "destructive", and are
> faster when manipulating recordings you will be burning to CD. So I
> flip the bird to Sonic Foundry, for costing me major $$ and time, and
> many bad CD burns......... DON'T USE SOUNDFORGE!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: glz@duse.net
Subject: TOP 500 INC. COMPANY SEEKS:
Reply-To: glz@duse.net
Date: 4/16/99 7:29:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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