DAT-Heads Digest #908
Contents:
re: "Stealth Mics" trademark (Bill Mitchell)
Re: why 24-bit storage? (Andrew Haley)
chris whitley tour dates (Saovh@aol.com)
Hothouse Flowers in NY (brian)
Re: toast gaps ("Adam Aronson")
Re: For Sale: Stealth Mics........ DAT-Heads Digest #902 (GuySonic@aol.com)
FT: little feat acoustic off the board (Theo Forbath)
Neil In Boston 4/18/99 (Todd Guite)
ISO: Phil & Friends 4/15-17/99 (fishtape)
Re: DAT>CDR people...check this out! (Peter Adamson)
Looking for Gov't Mule tapers for upcoming shows ("Baadshaug, Jim")
Re: soundforge (CUNNINGHAM@a.psc.edu)
ISO: Phish Lincoln NE 10/21/95 ("Chris Feldott")
RE: KindTaper@AOL.com ("Wallin, Erik")
From: Bill Mitchell <bill.mitchell@sabre.com>
Subject: re: "Stealth Mics" trademark
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:39:36 +0100
> >Why copyright a description of something?? that's like McDonalds
> >copyrighting "cold" as in "Cold" Large drink!!! Don't wanna make anyone mad
> >just giving my opinion. Me and the rest of us could in no way have guessed
> >that that was copyrightrf or trademarked by Core-Sound
>
> Not to burst your bubble, but "Super Size" is a trademark of McDonald's.
> (AFAIK, Baskin-Robbins tried using it, but they had to stop and started
> their own trademark, "Scooper Size".) Also, there is quite a bit of
> practical difference between a trademark and a copyright.
>
Being a Bulls fan over the years, after they won their third
championship, all their t-shirts read "threepeat". Did anyone know that
Pat Riley, formerly of the LA Lakers, copyrighted that expression
because he thought his Lakers would win three in a row back in the late
80's. So just imagine, the Bulls finally win three and everytime that
someone makes a t shirt that reads "Bulls Championship Threepeat", they
had to pay royalties to Pat Riley. Just goes to show you that if you
think about it, just about anything can be copyrighted and the one who
thinks of it first gets the roylaties.
BTW, a trademark is for logos or symbols and a copyright is for words or
expressions...
Another funny one is three older ladies bought the rights for the song
Happy Birthday as everyone knows it, that is why all the restaurants use
different variations now, don't want to have to pay those little old
ladies...
> And while I cringe at it somewhat, "Stealth Mics" is completely
> trademarkable, as far as I can tell. When did you hear the words
> "Stealth
> Mics" being used together before Core did it? Unless someone other
> than
> Core did, I think it would almost certainly stand up in court. (IANAL,
> FWIW.)
"Stealth Mics" as an expression or description is completely fine for
copyright, kudos to Len for thinking of doing it.
cheers
bill mitchell
From: Andrew Haley <aph@pasanda.cygnus.co.uk>
Subject: Re: why 24-bit storage?
Date: 19 Apr 1999 09:12:37 -0000
> From: Andrew Loewenstern <Andrew.Loewenstern@wdr.com>
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 99 18:13:42 -0500
>
> Why 24-bit storage?
>
> o - You can hear into the analog noise floor. Even though
> there is noise from mic transducer, analog components, the ambient
> environment, etc... you can still hear the signal in that noise.
> There is a lot of information down there. You definitely cannot
> hear below the noise floor of the digital medium, however.
This is, of course, definitely untrue: any properly dithered converter
allows signals to be recorded well below the digital noise floor.
> (Would bet most of the people dismissing 24-bit samples have never
> listened to properly recorded 20 or 24-bit material played back on a
> system capable of reproducing it.)
I would bet that too, but for (I suspect) different reasons.
Andrew.
From: Saovh@aol.com
Subject: chris whitley tour dates
Reply-To: Saovh@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 06:51:04 EDT
Hello all.
Chris whitley is curently on tour and he allows board patches! go and tape
him now! I have hours and hours to trade. dat and cdr.
thanks
scott oakley
4/20 Las Vegas, NV Sanctuary
4/21 Los Angeles, CA The Roxy
4/22 San Diego, CA Brick by Brick
4/23 Tucson, AZ Club Congress
4/24 Scottsdale, AZ Cajun House
4/26 Santa Fe, NM KBAC Radio on-air **
4/26 Santa Fe, NM Paramount
4/27 Oklahoma, OK VZD's
4/28 Little Rock, AR Juanita's
4/29 Dallas, TX Gypsy Tea Room
5/1 Austin, TX Grammy-sponsored Guitar **
Clinic at Mars Music (2 pm)
5/1 Austin, TX Antone's
5/2 Houston, TX Fab Satellite **
5/2 New Orleans, LA Mermaid Lounge **
5/6 Memphis, TN Newby's
5/7 Nashville, TN Gibson's Cafe Milano
5/8 Atlanta, GA Smithe's Olde Bar **
5/9 Charlotte, NC Neighborhood Theatre
5/11 Carborro, NC Cat's Cradle
5/13 Asheville, NC Be Here Now
5/14 Knoxville, TN Bird's Eye View
5/15 Virginia Beach Jewish Mother **
5/17 Pittsburgh, PA Rosebud **
5/18 Washington, DC Iota
5/19 Baltimore, MD Fletcher's
5/20 Philadelphia, PA Tin Angel
5/21 Philadelphia, PA Tin Angel
5/22 New York, NY Bowery Ballroom
From: brian <misterb@hilarious.com>
Subject: Hothouse Flowers in NY
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:36:09 +0100
Hey All.
A great live band from Ireland, HOTHOUSE FLOWERS will be playing the big
Apple in May. If you are anywhere near there, you should definitely check
them out.
Oh, and if you go, a clone would be nice ; )
cheers,
brian
From: "Adam Aronson" <adam@aronson.net>
Subject: Re: toast gaps
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:54:56 -0400
jesse volner wrote:
> I'm using toast 2.5. Is there any way to go DISC AT ONCE without the
> clips between songs? Sorry if this was recently covered. I just select 0
> sec gaps between songs and
> haven't found any other way.
After much trial and error on the Mac version here with my Pinnacle and Sony
CDR mechanisms I am sad to report that Toast will NOT write audio CD's in
DAO (DISC AT ONCE) mode. For that you will need Adaptec's sister product,
Jam.
Toast puts a 2 sector gap between audio tracks... Jam can do DAO.
Adam
P.S.: Got ProjeKCts? - http://www.aronson.net/audiolist.html
From: GuySonic@aol.com
Subject: Re: For Sale: Stealth Mics........ DAT-Heads Digest #902
Reply-To: GuySonic@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:25:22 EDT
In a message dated 4/16/99 9:24:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
DAT-Heads-Request@fedney.near.net writes:
<< ------------------------------
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: For Sale: Stealth Mics
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:50:51 -0400 (EDT)
RC <richard.cuiffo@citicorp.com> wrote:
> For Sale Audio Technica AT822 Stereo Mic with all cables and case $130
> For Sale Sound Professionals Binaural Mics with Bass rolloff Filter -
> $100
Not to be stuffy or anything, but "Stealth Microphones" is a registered
trademark of Core Sound. Mics made by other manufacturers may be small
or unobtrusive, but they are not "Stealth Mics."
Len Moskowitz Stealth Microphones (tm), Cables, Interfaces
Core Sound http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@panix.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
>>
Well, I'm encouraged to see Len trying new marketing strategies as this is
'usually' a creative and rewarding process that hopes to make new friends and
new customers with attracting positive attention to one's business. While I
think the term "stealth microphone" is a good attempt to carve out a unique
niche in an increasingly competitive field, it's a 'too common' descriptive
phrase that'll pee-off most people with restrictive use and I have some
convincing arguments to its exclusive ownership by Core as a trademark.
BACKGROUND
Trademarks and Registered Trademarks are identical claims with an actual
Registered TM being more formalized by having been through search and cost
incurring some simple legal procedures.
A "TM" symbol itself is not a registered claim and is quite commonly used as
a "common process of creation of exclusive ownership" as there's about
three-five years 'of holding your breath time period' whereafter it's
essentially as valid as a Registered TM (shown as a "Circled R" symbol) as a
convincing argument in court. But ONLY if not challenged by anyone who
objects to the owner's claims to propriety of a phrase or term or whatever.
If not actually registered, just the letter TM symbolizes an informal claim
that awaits enough time 'unchallenged' to be arguably owned. If registered,
then it must be shown as a circled "R" symbol. If it's not registered, but
is shown as a circled "R", then the person claiming this is registered may be
fined by the Trademark & Copyright Department. Written claims that a TM is
registered may also be cause for liability to being fined.
If the TM is not challenged in the critical years and the owner can claim the
business involving the TM usage covers a particular wide geography, then the
TM's owner and usage is fairly established and presents a good argument to
any challenge within the Geography of "doing business" using this TM
exclusive to others operating in the same shared geography.
In other words, if sending merchandise worldwide with the term "stealth
microphones" as "Trade Marked" is not challenged by anyone in a certain
amount of years, then this is about as good as it gets for having a likely
winning argument of TM ownership if later challenged by anyone who also wants
this usage "freed" for liberalized use in the literature and for description
of similar products by others worldwide.
NOW, Even if someone actually registers a term like "stealth microphone"
formally, another party who has used this term to describe his product and
has had a similar product described in the literature for over three years
with sufficient Geographical sales without challenge, is most likely to lay
ANY claim of ownership by others aside and may actually claim OWNERSHIP of
terms like "stealth microphone" as their own with convincing legal argument
against future challenges.
In fact, my own microphones have been described more than a few times as
stealth in marketing and Mag Review literature dating back to at least 1989.
Maybe I should look into registering or just claiming for myself this term to
shut out all others from using the words "stealth microphone" in E-mails and
descriptions of his and other similar microphones as Mr. Moskowitz seems to
desire if left to his own about this.
I personally don't mind so much about others using the "stealth microphone"
term, but I am a little concerned that someone has recently excluded any
others from using the term without also mentioning that the term is claimed
exclusively owned by somebody who didn't have the original 'stealth
microphone' by at least 5 years! AND now has made a claim on the "stealth
mIcrophone" term after literature usage predates this claim by at least 8
years.
Nice try, but I'm thinking NO 'tm' CIGAR for you on this one Mr. Len!
For just one such example, please look at the 1991 (Vol. 18 No.4 August
Edition) Relix Magazine Review of the DSM-5L microphones by Barry. In this
review he mentions (in the same paragraph) how using Sonic Studios DSM-5L
microphones is "the epitome of stealth taping" as anyone wearing them can be
continuously recording while walking through a crowd without anyone having a
clue.
As the most likely documented pioneer having a "stealth" described microphone
product, I unconditionally grant the "stealth microphone" term for use by
ANYONE who wants to use it in E-mails, labeling of their microphones, or even
writing in slogans on buildings ..... no permission required .............
this of course INCLUDES Mr. "stealth microphone" Moskowitz who really does
make several small & unobtrusive type microphone models as also do the Sound
Professionals, Oade, and others (like the spy shops) based at locations here
and overseas; all of their small mic products can be described as candidates
for 'stealth microphone' sound recording requirements!
While it usually doesn't hurt to try to claim ownership of 'truly unique'
phrases and terms to gain a distinction from your competition, you have to
realize that with trademarks (registered or not), it's a lot like a
traditional marriage ceremony where the call for whomever wishes to speak or
(virtually) forever hold your peace before the TM 'knot' is made is a 3-5
year pause for someone to speak up. Well, I say call off the marriage as I
object on grounds of having precedent in claiming the right to own or, as in
this case grant public domain use of the aforementioned term.
Regards in "Stealth Microphone" Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard (Stealth Mic Man) Lombardo
========================================
Sonic Studios(tm)..."Making Audio History With DSM(tm) Microphones"
TEL: 541-459-8839 /\ FAX: 541-459-8842 /\ USA Free: 1-888-875-4976
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Informative WEB SITE: http:// <A
HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com">WWW.SONICSTUDIOS.COM
</A>
A better wish... "A bit of knowledge coupled to a great deal of wisdom"
From: Theo Forbath <forbath@ncri.com>
Subject: FT: little feat acoustic off the board
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:57:28 -0400
hi,
was the first one off the board last night at johnny d's with a DA-P1
(thanks for the help on the levels Tim, the tape sounds great!)
would love to trade for other acoustic shows, or recent JID, MMW, &/or
other jazzy sounds.
thanks, t.
From: Todd Guite <direwolf@maine.rr.com>
Subject: Neil In Boston 4/18/99
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:30:52 -0400
Anybody get this on Dat!!Have 8 shows fromm 99 tour and over 1000 hours
of other dats.What a great show!!Have got to get my hands on this!Help
please!Thanks Todd
From: fishtape <fishtape@gateway.net>
Subject: ISO: Phil & Friends 4/15-17/99
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:33:47 -0700
Looking for anyone that can help out a DAT newbie. Looking for last
weekends Phil & Friends
shows for B+P. I don't have allot to trade and i do not yet have 2 DAT
decks. any help would be greatly appreciated. These tapes would then be
taken to a little tapers club in Cleveland and Daisy chained to about 12
Analog decks for people to trade with. please email me if you can help
at. Fishtape@gateway.net
GDTRFB
fish
From: Peter Adamson <pga@st-andrews.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: DAT>CDR people...check this out!
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:41:41 +0100 (BST)
Steve <Tflood@aol.com> wrote enthusiastically:
> I've been agonizing over how to transfer my DATs to CDR, especially in light
> of resampling to 44.1 khz. I really didn't want to get a new soundcard like
> the Zefiro, especically since it's over $400. I didn't want to do it with
> software because it's so slow. For those of you in a similar boat, read on...
>
> This thing seems to do it all...real-time sample rate conversion, SCMS
> killer, digital patch bay...and it's under $300!
>
> check it out...btw, i'm in no way associated with this product except for the
> fact that i'm overwhelmed by its versatility and price...
>
> http://www.samsontech.com/behringer/index.html
>
> The Behringer Ultramatch SRC 2000
>
[...]
I bought a Behringer Ultramatch SRC 2000 a few months ago (for 150 GBP
from Sound Control in UK, equivalent of about $240 taxed and delivered).
Splendid beast -- it just sits there and works without any fuss. Recommended!
Peter
From: "Baadshaug, Jim" <Jim.Baadshaug@am.sony.com>
Subject: Looking for Gov't Mule tapers for upcoming shows
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:23:36 -0400
The Mule hit the road this week and I'm looking for anyone who will be
taping. Got lot's to trade. If your going to any of these shows and plan on
taping get in touch
Thanks
Jim
4/22/99 Bogart's Cincinnati OH (w/Marc Ford's Federale)
4/23/99 Belly Of The Beast Salem VA (w/Federale)
4/24/99 Trax Charlottesville VA (w/Federale)
4/25/99 Bus Parking Lot Stage Charlotte NC (Center CityFest '99)
4/27/99 Ziggy's Winston-Salem NC (w/Federale)
4/28/99 Alley Katz Richmond VA (w/Federale)
4/29/99 Friar Tuck's Norfolk VA (w/Federale)
4/30/99 Ziggy's At The Beach Atlantic Beach NC (w/Federale)
5/1/99 Morgan Square Spartanburg City Fest Spartanburg SC (Spring Fling)
5/2/99 Tipitina's Ruins New Orleans LA (Open for The Funky Meters)
5/4/99 Cain's Ballroom Tulsa OK (w/String Cheese Incident)
5/5/99 Arcadia Theatre Dallas TX (w/String Cheese Incident)
5/6/99 Stubb's Barbeque Austin TX (w/String Cheese Incident)
5/7/99 Stubb's Barbeque Austin TX (w/String Cheese Incident)
5/8/99 Stubb's Barbeque Austin TX (w/String Cheese Incident)
5/11/99 White Rabbit San Antonio TX (w/North Mississippi All-Stars)
5/12/99 Fabulous Satellite Lounge Houston TX (w/North Mississippi
All-Stars)
5/13/99 Bob's Abilene TX (w/North Mississippi All-Stars)
5/15/99 Dave's On Dickson Fayetteville AR (w/North Mississippi All-Stars)
5/16/99 Juanita's Little Rock AR
From: CUNNINGHAM@a.psc.edu
Subject: Re: soundforge
Reply-To: pUNK@psc.edu
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:58:41 -0400
>However the compressor on it sounds bad!
Can you elaborate? Are you sure that it isn't the particular settings you
are using? I know that one of the default release settings is fairly
inappropriate.
Thanks
pUNK
From: "Chris Feldott" <C_Feldott@ppc1904.com>
Subject: ISO: Phish Lincoln NE 10/21/95
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:57:39 -0500
Sorry for the grovel....lots to trade.
Looking for DAT, CDR or analog, doesn't matter....
Peace!!
Chris
From: "Wallin, Erik" <erik.wallin@atl.agcocorp.com>
Subject: RE: KindTaper@AOL.com
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:05:02 -0400
Hola,
I'd like to say that I have done some trading with Wes and have never
had a problem. He once needed a tape of mine to complete a Morphine
show he was burning onto CDR. I gave him the tape on a Monday nite.
When I left for work on Tuesday, my tape was in the mailbox along with
fresh CDR's of the show. We're talking an 8 hour turn around. Now how
many of you on this list have ever had a trade like this?? I find this
info about Wes very hard to believe and would trade with him any day!
Thanks for the BW and the first to respond I'll do a B & P for
WSP>>Huntsville, AL>>4/17/99 (2 x 60m).
Adios,
E
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