DAT-Heads Digest #913
Contents:
ISO: Weir and Hanson (seriously) (PhiShow@aol.com)
BFF advice; stealth it ("" )
another p&f shameless grovel ("Rich Laird")
needing a favor from Spanish contacts (GaoBest@aol.com)
Compression............. ("Denise Buffington")
Steve & Ultramatch ("Denise Buffington")
re: defective Mitsui CDs ("David D. Rogers")
Re: defective Mitsui CDs (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz)
ISO Costello / Bacharach DATs (P.R. Beneker)
ISO Brian Wilson solo 1999 (P.R. Beneker)
Joe Ely DATs (P.R. Beneker)
Springsteen '70s, 1999 DATs (P.R. Beneker)
Re: Help on PCM-M1 in France (Andrew Haley)
SCI NYE 98 show tree (Ron Dalton)
ISO SCMS stripper (Mail)
Banyan - Detroit 3.27.99 FOB/SNB ("Chris Rees")
Springsteen show recordings (Ferdinando Ametrano)
Universal Remotes.. ("Denise Buffington")
[no subject] (hambone@javanet.com)
Recommendations for a CD-R (William Dennehy)
my $.02 on the Behringer SRC2000 (John Bunge)
FS: Panasonic SV3700 DAT machines ("R.M. Katzeff")
Sony RM300 Problems!!!!! (Mooney Monteilh)
From: PhiShow@aol.com
Subject: ISO: Weir and Hanson (seriously)
Reply-To: PhiShow@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:11:49 EDT
If anyone has this bizarre show on tape, I'd love to trade for a copy of it.
Not for dancing purposes, but for my radio show. I think Rob Wasserman and
Jay Lane played as well, it took place at the Wetlands 10th anniversary bash.
Lots to trade in exchange, no Hanson though.
-Jordan
From: <gboss>
Subject: BFF advice; stealth it
Reply-To: gboss@voicenet.com
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:22:11 -0400
They were hassling people about bringing in gear at the door so I wound
up stealthing the show tonight (4/20). I don't know the reason for the
sudden change in policy but tapers beware!
--
Greg
http://www.voicenet.com/~gboss/
"In their own image
Their world is fashioned -
No wonder they don't understand"
- Neil Peart
From: "Rich Laird" <augustw@email.msn.com>
Subject: another p&f shameless grovel
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:48:41 -0400
subject line says it all. have lots of dead, zero, wsp, and more to trade.
From: GaoBest@aol.com
Subject: needing a favor from Spanish contacts
Reply-To: GaoBest@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:42:48 EDT
hey kids
I need a favor - St.Etienne's concert, next Friday in MAdrid, will be
broadcasted by LOS 40 PRINCIPALES, a radio network all over Spain. Can
someone who lives in Spain or who can get this broadcast PLEASE make me a DAT
clone of the broadcast or just tape it for me for swap or B/P or etc? I'd
love to get this.
Please email me directly, thanks!
Mike
GaoBest@aol.com
From: "Denise Buffington" <virtualart@mindspring.com>
Subject: Compression.............
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 03:04:14 -0700
>James Treworgy writes:
>There's no magic to compression either. All it does is normalize using a
>certain formula to figure out how much to amplify based on the volume of
>that section of music. You get just as much noise as straight, flat
>normalization, except you lose the dyamics.
BING BING BING!!!!! CORRECT ANSWER !!!!!
>>>>>:::::DOUG:::::<<<<< Here....You'll have to excuse the' Denise
Buffington'
name at the beginning of my post's. That is my girlfriend with an
'auto-sign'on our e-mail.
I'm new to the list.....Hello fellow DAT heads!!!...any way James U R
right on the $$$ with that one!!!
Compression kills the dynamics of music!! It is a great tool for acoustic
based
insturment's (drums,vocals,acoustic guitar,& bass) & for individual
use....but
as a whole it is overused!! Imagine it as a 'invisable' wall between the
music & you!!!
If used on individual tracks -1- mixdown -2- mastering -3- & played
on the radio,satellite,
or transfer to MP 3 or a wave= 4 invisable "walls" on the music. As a
songwriter/guitarist/
singer I was frustrated why the "Dynamics" of my music was lost in the
recording process.
Plus having a very sharp ear I heard my original guitar sound being lost
in the 3 to 4 layer
process of tracking to finished product. & Cymbals BIG TIME!! I have
used compression on
live recordings (2 track,condenser mic.'s)
to keep the levels from distorting to Mini-Disc....(which has a level of
compression as well,)
Just keep the threshold low & light and you won't lose much of the
dynamics.....I recorded
a swing band recently & this process worked great!!!.....Let's put the
dynamics back into
music!!!! If you use DAT for live recording..same process....When you master
on your CPU
just edge your levels up (volume) a 1/2 a decible at a time to get it up to
"0" db...........
Much better than using compression for level adjustment!!!!!!! great point
James!!!!!
Peace...:::Doug:::... check out my live clips from Mini-Disc on
THRUST ! page........
www.benroth-entertainment.com Drums are too loud but hey it's a 'live 1
take recording'!!!
From: "Denise Buffington" <virtualart@mindspring.com>
Subject: Steve & Ultramatch
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 03:26:58 -0700
>Steve writes....Keep this in mind when you're adding up the prices,
though...The Ultramatch,
>in addition to stripping SCMS, sample-rate converting, is also a digital
>patch bay/converter. Something like the Fostex COP-1, Midiman CO2, etc is
>about $100. So for a little extra $$, you get a ton of features.
>Just something to think about
>Take it easy
>..steve
.....:::::DOUG:::::.....Here again. This is true about the Berhinger
Ultramatch.
I am in the market for a sound card as well & you still have to buy a
digital
soundcard for computer use........Here is a quote from the Berhinger
tech help that just e-mailed me "
....."Ultramatch has AES-EBU, SPDIF, and Coax inputs. It has all the same
outputs and outputs to all at the same time. So any card that has any of
those inputs and outputs should work."
Product Specialist
John DiMaggio
,,,,,So it does add up, if you want to CD-R from your DAT!!!>>>But wait
there is
hope!!! I stumbled across this in my research>>>>> "ISIS" 20 bit 8 INPUT/
4 OUTPUT 1/4" breakout box ( separate from card ) PCI The card has.....
SPDIF & OPTICAL DIGITAL I/O MIDI capabilities (thru) $299.99 !!!!!!!!!
Mars Music (813) 354-1103 Tampa Bay (Normal $399.99)
They say compatable with most current software..CakeWalk...etc..
I'll check it out & let you guys know!! www.benroth-entertainment.com
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: re: defective Mitsui CDs
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:39:13 -0700
>From: CosmicKC@aol.com
>Subject: re: defective Mitsui CDs
>Reply-To: CosmicKC@aol.com
>Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:22:24 EDT
[snip]
>I have a feeling that the problem is the carrying case that I am using. I
>really like the case-logic multiple case CD holders. These are very handy
>and you can get 96 disc's in just one case. (If you don't know what I am
>talking about, imagine a photo album for CD's.) I think the problem is
with
>the plastic that holds the CD's in place. This plastic could trap dust or
>dirt between it and the top of the disc. Then after time and friction it
>could possibly rub a hole in the disc. I would think that the disc's would
>be able to handle this kind of storage.
I really doubt this is the culprit. CDs are made of _really_ strong
plastic, and dust just doesn't cause that much friction. Unless you're
attracting something like a grain of sand, dust particles are really
unlikely to do this kind of damage. I personally use (probably) the same
Case Logic case for my backup CD-Rs, no problems yet. My guess is that it's
something else; was the disc in excessive heat? Was it exposed to extreme
handling or anything else that it shouldn't have been?
>I feel that my ultimate solution is going to be labeling all the Cdr.'s that
>I make. This will protect the surface. I know that I have used and
received
>some disc's that look like they don't have this kind of a printable
surface.
>It looks like the dye's are sandwiched in between two plastic layer's?? Any
>vendors out there that can comment on this??????
The dye is actually between more than one layer, including a micro-thin
metal layer.
Some people swear by them, but I really recommend against labels, unless
you absolutely _have_ to. The reasons are that when the label comes off, it
might take part of the disc with it. (The label will probably start to peel
off by itself someday.) Also, it makes the disc heavier, which isn't good
for marginal CD players, and labels make the disc wobble more, even if it's
applied correctly. And it's especially a problem in CD-ROM drives, when you
want to rip audio off of it (or if it's a CD-ROM disc); sometimes it has to
be slowed down, because of the extra weight and wobbling problem.
From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <bathory@maltedmedia.com>
Subject: Re: defective Mitsui CDs
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:23:43 -0400
At 23 15 04 20 1999 EDT, CosmicKC@aol.com wrote:
>I have a feeling that the problem is the carrying case that I am using.
>If you don't know what I am
>talking about, imagine a photo album for CD's.)
This is just a shot in the dark, but plastic interaction is a real pain.
Back in the old LP days, there were paper sleeves with plastic inserts,
which were great -- except some plastics reacted with the LPs and created a
mess, resulting in noise, and sometimes even sticking permanently to the
LPs. I replaced hundreds of these liners with with so-called neutral
plastic liners.
There's been a long discussion about using proper markers because of
chemical interaction. Could this be another example of such an issue
between the CD holders and CD backing?
Anyone with good chemistry info think that's possible?
Dennis
http://maltedmedia.com/
From: beneker@wins.uva.nl (P.R. Beneker)
Subject: ISO Costello / Bacharach DATs
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:00:15 +0200 (MET DST)
Looking for any of these from late last year. I have the London
10-29-98 FM for trade, as well as other artists.
Paul
From: beneker@wins.uva.nl (P.R. Beneker)
Subject: ISO Brian Wilson solo 1999
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:59:57 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject says it all. Have Beach Boys/Brian on DAT for trade,
as well as lots of Van Morrison, Springsteen, Dylan, Stones,
Earle, Maceo etc. Email me.
Paul
From: beneker@wins.uva.nl (P.R. Beneker)
Subject: Joe Ely DATs
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:00:32 +0200 (MET DST)
I'm interested in any and all Ely DATs, and Butch Hancock DATs,
that I don't have. I have similar for trade.
Paul
From: beneker@wins.uva.nl (P.R. Beneker)
Subject: Springsteen '70s, 1999 DATs
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:00:52 +0200 (MET DST)
Looking for Bruce collectors on DAT. I am interested in DATs
from the current tour, as well as '70s shows from cassette master.
Plenty to trade.
Paul
From: Andrew Haley <aph@pasanda.cygnus.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Help on PCM-M1 in France
Date: 21 Apr 1999 11:28:05 -0000
> From: MoMo <gironnay@club-internet.fr>
> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:21:31 +0100
>
> I'm newone on Dat Heads and living in France. I would like to buy a PCM-M1
> in France, anyone there can give me some addresses, preferably in Paris
> where I can get one. If I have to buy it in US, is there any difference for
> the battery?
Get the European version: it comes with a remote control, a battery
charger, and digital cables.
> does it support 11V and 220V or should I get a 110-220
> transformer.
The Euro version of the PCM-M1 comes with no mains adapter at all: you
have to buy it separately. It's a standard Sony part, so just buy the
French version.
Andrew.
From: Ron Dalton <RDalton@najarian.com>
Subject: SCI NYE 98 show tree
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:39:38 -0400
Hey All -
Due to a systems admin. who doesn't know what he is doing I lost all email
pertaining to trees, etc. Needless to say, if anyone has this structure,
could they please foward it to me? I have a few kids to represent too, and
I lost their email as well.
This has *NOT* been a good week for me. Lets just hope I get my tapers tix
for the summer run ;)
Thankx in Advance
Ron Dalton
From: Mail <mail@bboprecords.com>
Subject: ISO SCMS stripper
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:11:39 -0400
I'm looking for a used but not abused SCMS stripper.
Please contact me privately with info. Thank you.
B-Bop Records
P.O. Box 2449
Toledo, Ohio 43606-0449
Phone: 419-535-1234
http://www.bboprecords.com
From: "Chris Rees" <boilerman@tdi.net>
Subject: Banyan - Detroit 3.27.99 FOB/SNB
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:01:10 -0400
Still looking for the FOB taper from this show. I think you said you were
from Ann Arbor and was interested in trading. I did the SNB that night and
it turned out great. Lets hook up!
Chris Rees
boilerman@tdi.net
www.tdi.net/boilerman
From: Ferdinando Ametrano <ametrano@altavista.net>
Subject: Springsteen show recordings
Reply-To: ametrano@altavista.net
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:38:31 +0100
Hi all
TAPING:
as a taper I am an absolute beginner.
I bought Sony PCM-M1 and Core Sound High End Binaural in order to tape the
Springsteen show of the current tour.
I recorded 2 show so far and I was unhappy with the results. The sound is
muddy, compressed, not clear.
I was right in the front of the speaker, in the seated section (so noboby
between me and the speakers).
I never peaked over zero, the peak level is around 4dB, so I guess I had
brickwalling.
I was taping using the mic in, the mic attenuation switch at -20dB, 48KHz,
without battery boxes bass roll-off filter.
Should I use line in or the battery boxes bass roll-off filter ?
I was using the additional small caps that come with the CSHEB, in order to
have a little more directionality.
I'm sure I had something wrong since a friend of mine taped one of those 2
shows with his PCM-M1 and cheaper mics, similar seat and same DAT recorder
setting (mic in, 20dB attenuation) with way better results
I know that I should just try and learn, but I have no time: every test is a
Springsteen show missed, so I would appreciare any help.
TRADING:
I have excellent recording of Barcelona April 9 and 11, and Bologna April
17.
I'm looking for Milan (April 19 and 20). I would also like Cologne and
Munich
thank you
ciao -- Nando
From: "Denise Buffington" <virtualart@mindspring.com>
Subject: Universal Remotes..
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:58:26 -0700
Jeff wrote:
>But do they have the ability to do those commands with timer control as
Drew
>asked for? The SL-9000 doesn't appear to.
>-Jeff Lester
Hey Jeff...:::DOUG...::: here again. I install Home Theater for a living
& have
been doing it for 5 years. Most complex Universal remotes have a "time
macro"
feature....Meaning when you press one button it can send out several
commands
at once. In additon there is a sleep timer as well. One could use the sleep
timer
in reverse....with all compnents off...it will turn on assigned units....it
depends
on how you set up the timed macro...& commands, It takes a while to set up,
& with a DAT you may have to manually program it's infra red commands, & set
it up where it can easliy send the commands to all components used,
- A " infra red" transmitter, ($ 150 -$
200 )
receiver & emmitters attached to the perspective A/V components may enhance
this type of set up. I advise ...of course being in the room for your
initial test runs.
Most complex Universal Remotes have the Day/time in them for this type of
timed sequence. Also to simplify a Sony Mini-Disc has a timer feature, that
when
it receives power it auto records (plug in to an "switched outlet" i.e. Home
Theater
reciever) if course Mini-Disc is not DAT & you have the 74 minute time
limitation
but if you have "optic" digital out from your satellite receiver the quality
is great.
What I have done on the music channels from satellite is record at the same
time
on my VCR to see the song title & artist as you hear your digital play back.
That way
you can edit out songs you don't like & register artist & title on your DAT
or Mini-Disc!!
You do get compression from satellite & radio transmissions so, when you
do this
style of recording & hear playback & hear somthing you like, be assured it
will sound
even better when you buy the CD!!!! Enjoy Peace!!!>>>>>:::::DOUG:::::<<<<<
From: hambone@javanet.com
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:08:33 -0400
howdy:
just a couple notes
lookin for the guy who ran the neuman km184
at the frogwings show in northampton, ma
2.14.99
please e mail me
also lookin for some active cables for the 460s
can anyone help
keep in touch
dave
From: William Dennehy <bix1@earthlink.net>
Subject: Recommendations for a CD-R
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:14:17 -0700
I'm thinking of buying a CD-R. Any recommendations? I don't need a top
of the line, just something decent. Thanks, Bill
From: John Bunge <jab18@cornell.edu>
Subject: my $.02 on the Behringer SRC2000
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:08:08 -0400
I own and use one of these units and am quite happy with it. I paid
$200+tax at my local dealer (special order). I have not yet checked
whether it strips start IDs along with SCMS. However, I did test it
extensively in other ways, and I can report that live music recorded at
48KHz and sample-converted to 44.1KHz through the SRC2000 sounds noticeably
better than the same music recorded originally at 44.1KHz, at least to my
ears -- this seems to contradict some (possibly older) advice to the effect
that recordings destined for 44.1K should be made originally at 44.1K.
Best regards to all,
JB
From: "R.M. Katzeff" <jahlive@lvdi.net>
Subject: FS: Panasonic SV3700 DAT machines
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:50:37 -0700
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(2) Panasonic SV-3700 DAT recorder/player.
Super low hours - less than 100 hours of use on each machine!
Used by a serious tape archivist (not in a studio environment.)
Meticulously cared for!
Purchased 3 years ago, and sat in the box for 2.5 years because I lost
interest in taping.
Comes w/ rack mount kit & remote
$700 obo (plus shipping)
Call Rick/Marco @ 702/396.4149
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From: Mooney Monteilh <mooneym@controlsecurity.net>
Subject: Sony RM300 Problems!!!!!
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:06:21 -0500
Sorry for the grovel, but I'm having some strange problems w/ my deck.
It is writing diginoise on my tapes ( KAO Gold, Sony DTs, & Sony DGs),
but it's only after 120minutes of recording, it's happened on about 8
tapes in a row.
I'm hoping it's just dirty, but because of where its putting the
diginoise, it has gotten me confused.
Any info. would be highly appreciated.
Thanks for the grovel and time,
mooney
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