DAT-Heads Digest #923
Contents:
How many listserv subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? ("Nicholas W. Miller")
ISO Hendrix (dave)
Radio Shack Lead Acid Ride-on Battery ("Pat K")
Taping @ Roseland (KPS61@aol.com)
Extra MerleFest Ticket for sale (face value) (Jeff Hirsch)
Chris Duarte (Jmratman@aol.com)
Re: stereo microphone - cabling problem - need your help (Nick Hickman)
WTB: "Headbanger" headphone amp ("" )
Wanted: STRETCH PRINCESS (MR LAWRENCE W MARTELL)
ISO Moe. 2-10-99, 2-19-99 and 3-5-99 (Nosaj21@aol.com)
Long Island Bands Music Calender Has Moved! (Danctil22@aol.com)
DAT>PC help ("Darren Murtha")
Need Taper in Austin... and ISO Pink Floyd, Eric Johnson (Joseph A Najera)
FT: Lucinda Williams 4.25.99 Houston International Festival ("Michael")
BATTERY PACK QUESTION (Mikeyled36@aol.com)
ISO: Stevie Ray Vaughan ("William Tatina")
TICKET FOR SALE! (Mikeyled36@aol.com)
Bits and resolution, yet again (Jesse Lackey)
ISO Shakti DATS (Jagjit Chadha)
From: "Nicholas W. Miller" <nick@millerworks.com>
Subject: How many listserv subscribers does it take to change a light bulb?
Reply-To: nick@millerworks.com
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:34:18 -1000
Hi All,
Well, it's been many months since I retired from the DAT-Heads Community
[having sold off my collection last year], but I must say I miss you
guys every now and then.
Anyhow, I happened to get this a couple weeks ago and thought of all of
you. Please excuse the waste of bandwidth if you guys have already seen
this. I still receive the DAT-Heads Digest [even though I've tried
cancelling numerous times ... oh well, once a DAT-Head ... always a
DAT-Head., so I figured I would forward it on for your enjoyment.
Aloha,
Nick Miller
*****
Q: How many listserv subscribers does it take to change a light
bulb?
A: 1,343 - 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the list that
the
light bulb has been changed;
14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the
light
bulb could have been changed differently;
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs;
27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing
light bulbs;
53 to flame the spell checkers;
41 to correct spelling/grammar flames;
6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb";
another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive;
156 to write to the list administrator about the light bulb
discussion and
its inappropriateness to this list;
109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please
take this
discussion exchange to litebulb-l;
203 to demand that cross posting to grammar-l, spelling-l and
illuminati-l
about changing light bulbs be stopped;
111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light
bulbs
and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this board;
306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior,
where to buy
the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this
technique
and what brands are faulty;
27 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light
bulbs;
14 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and the post the
corrected
URL's;
3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to
this
list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list;
33 to link all posts to date, then quote them including all headers
and
footers and then add "Me too";
12 to post to the board that they will no longer post because they
cannot
handle the light bulb controversy;
19 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three";
4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ;
44 to ask what is "FAQ";
4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago on
Usenet?"
143 to ask "what's Usenet?"
*****
From: dave <tapedelay@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO Hendrix
Reply-To: tapedelay@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:38:24 -0400
Looking for Band Of Gypsies recordings, 69-70. Would like to find some
good studio recordings, lord only knows how many miles of tape this band
generated in their very short existence. Send your list f interested.
dave
From: "Pat K" <hoobash@optonline.net>
Subject: Radio Shack Lead Acid Ride-on Battery
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:59:34 -0400
I was at radio shack today and get a 6 volt lead acid battery that is used
for one for those childerns toy jeeps. It runs at
6 volts 13ah
cyclical trickle
charging volts 7.20-7.50v maxaium intial charging current 4.0a
charging volts 6.75-6.90v maxaium intial charging current 4.0a
I currently have a eco-charge delta battery system which batteries are 6
volts 7.2 ah Can I use my eco-charge Charger with this battery??? Is this
battery too powerful for my awia hhb/pro??? I dont think this will be a
problem but I would like to make sure before I fry something. Thanks for the
help Pat
Ps This battery was on sale for $20
From: KPS61@aol.com
Subject: Taping @ Roseland
Reply-To: KPS61@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:58:11 EDT
I would like to tape an upcoming show at The Roseland in NYC. There are
general admission tickets on the floor & then seating in a balcony. The
balcony seats cost twice as much as the general admission seats. I'd
appreciate any input from someone who has been to a show at this venue. Which
seats are likely to be the best bet for making a nice recording ?
Thanks,
Kevin
From: Jeff Hirsch <jlhirsch@stlnet.com>
Subject: Extra MerleFest Ticket for sale (face value)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:15:07 -0500
Merle Watson Bluegrass Festival Reserved Ticket:
This is a reserved seat, up close, for the main stage and includes a ticket
to the sold out midnight jam. $130 total (face value)
Please email ASAP if interested.
--JH
(sorry for lack of DAT content.)
From: Jmratman@aol.com
Subject: Chris Duarte
Reply-To: Jmratman@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:07:30 EDT
Hey!
Taped Chris Duarte a few weeks ago @ The Stonecoast in Portland, Maine. He's
a super nice guys and encourages taping PROVIDED that you are kind enough to
offer him up a clone (add that to BTAT). If you're not familiar with his
work, it's blues based guitar i.e he encored with a cover of "Sunshine of
Your Love" that was electrified!! www.chrisduarteband.com is his web page.
If anyone's interested in a trade, e-mail me. My rig: Neumann
KM140's>>Beyer Pre-amp>>DA-P1 about 20' from the stage. Sounds pretty good.
The show ran about 1:35.
Peace,
Jim Ratner
Cape Elizabeth, Maine
From: nickh@wordcraft.co.uk (Nick Hickman)
Subject: Re: stereo microphone - cabling problem - need your help
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:15:02 +0000
'Bebop' Pete Heilig wrote:
>The problem is... handling the cable is creating an unwanted noise in the
>signal. Any flexing of the cable causes a sound to be heard by the DAT
>recorder. How is it possible that a shock to the cable can produce an
>scratching noise? I am now faced with replacing this cable assembly to
>correct the problem.
The phenomenon is called microphony: where physical movement (usually
of a cable or transformer) produces an unwanted electrical signal. It's
usually caused by changes in capacitance between signal conductors
and/or the screen. Any cable susceptible to microphonics needs to be
replaced.
>I have connected these through a cable (using a 5-pin XLR to a 3-pin
>1/8"-stereo-male). The cable is 6-feet in length, 3-conductor cable,
>stranded copper, which was from a generic audio cable (perhaps a headphone
>cable). So this is an unbalanced stereo cable run.
>
>Microphone-out: DAT-mic-in:
> Left-hot ------------ Left
> Left-cold
> Right-hot ------------ Right
> Right-cold
> Ground ------------ Ground
>
>Is there any problem with this schematic?
As has been said, ensure that the two colds go to ground. Also make sure
you use screened cable and use the screen for ground. Ideally, the left and
right signal conductors would be screened from each other. Unbalanced
cabling for mic level signals is never ideal, but 6 feet should be okay unless
you're in a very hostile environment.
>My question is... Is this cable picking up this noise because of improper
>shielding? (and if so, what type of bulk microphone cable is recommended?)
>Or is the cable picking up this noise because it's an Unbalanced circuit?
>(and if so, what is recommended schematic for a balanced stereo cable?)
You'll certainly pick up noise if the cable isn't screened. You may also get
noise pick-up due to the unbalanced nature of the inputs. Any microphony
is due to poor or inappropriate cable.
Gordon Gidluck wrote:
>Connect the cold signal lines to ground also. This is a common practice
>with balanced to unbalanced conversion cables. By unbalancing your
>cable, you get a drop of about 6db (if I remember right) overall.
In this case, because the microphone is floating, there will be no signal loss.
>A direct-box can be used to convert balanced signals to high impedance
>and vice-versa. The passive (transformer based) boxes go both ways.
I'm not quite sure what you're suggesting here. All passive DIs I've come
across have transformers with a turns ratio of 10 or more. If you connected
a lo-Z mic to the "one" turn, you'd get 10 times voltage gain, but the source
Z of the input would be transformed down by 100 times. I can't see that
working.
>... Better impedance matching results in better signal
>transfer and wider bandwidth.
Almost all audio interconnections nowadays are bridging where the load
impedance is typically ten times or more the source impedance. The aim
is voltage sampling, not power transfer. This is certainly true with lo-Z mics
where a typical mic has 150ohm output impedance and a typical mic amp
has 1.5Kohm or greater input impedance.
Nick
From: <gboss>
Subject: WTB: "Headbanger" headphone amp
Reply-To: gboss@voicenet.com
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:47:22 -0400
I saw the plans for one on some minidisc page and i know the sound
professionals make one but I don't have the money to spend on a new one
from them so i was wondering if anyone has one that they're not using
that they'd like to get rid of or they've made one themselves out of
curiousity and don't really use. Give it a new home! Let me know.
--
Greg
http://www.voicenet.com/~gboss/
"In their own image
Their world is fashioned -
No wonder they don't understand"
- Neil Peart
From: MDRS11A@prodigy.com (MR LAWRENCE W MARTELL)
Subject: Wanted: STRETCH PRINCESS
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:03:39, -0500
Hello, I'm looking for any Stretch Princess shows on dat or cd-r.
They are currently on tour with The Cherry Poppin Daddys but I would
be interested in any shows from any dates since I have nothing right
now.
Thanks, Larry
From: Nosaj21@aol.com
Subject: ISO Moe. 2-10-99, 2-19-99 and 3-5-99
Reply-To: Nosaj21@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:56:10 EDT
Anyone with these shows please contact me. Have plenty to trade at:
<A HREF="http://www.tapetrading.com/lists/n/o/nosaj21@aol.com.html">Jason
Kirschberg's DAT List
</A>
From: Danctil22@aol.com
Subject: Long Island Bands Music Calender Has Moved!
Reply-To: Danctil22@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:15:51 EDT
Hey now,
I am just letting everyone know that the Long Island Bands music calender
has moved to:
http://www.concentric.net/~mowen5/lib.htm
Be sure to update your bookmarks or links. Thanks!!
peace
matto
From: "Darren Murtha" <dmurtha@earthlink.net>
Subject: DAT>PC help
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:02:58 -0500
Help me out here, whenever I do DAT>PC transfers via my SONICport, certain
DATs come out sounding perfect, others are full of diagnose, with no
settings changes at all.........I use cooledit on a stable, current PC.
(although it is most likely due to me not changing a crucial setting, I
cannot figure out what....)
Thanks for the BW
-Darren
=============================================
Check out Tommy Tees at http://home.earthlink.net/~dmurtha/tommytees
From: Joseph A Najera <dmbandfan1@juno.com>
Subject: Need Taper in Austin... and ISO Pink Floyd, Eric Johnson
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:52:46 -0700
Howdy all,
I'm looking for any Pink Floyd DATs that might be floating around... I've
heard that there are a lot of tapes out there, but I've never really
known anyone who traded them, so I figured I'd ask here... I'm also a
unidecker, so I'd be asking for B&P...
Also, I'm always looking for any Eric Johnson recordings.
As far as the taper need, there are a few shows that I'd love to get
taped, but they're too far for me to go right now... Eric Johnson will be
playing in the band "Alien Love Child" on May 13 and 27 '99 at Antone's
in Austin, TX... Stealth is required... I'd gladly replace blanks, etc...
Please email me privately with any replies...
Thanks a million,
Joe
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From: "Michael" <terrapin@wt.net>
Subject: FT: Lucinda Williams 4.25.99 Houston International Festival
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:45:31 -0500
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Lucinda Williams 4.25.99 Houston International Festival
Texas Zone - Bank United Texas Music Stage
DAUD-Master FOB
Sonic Studios > Sony D8
High fidelity. Great recording. Many tunes off of "Car Wheels on a =
Gravel Road"
Lucinda closed out the set with a long version of "Joy" which included a =
organ solo,
along with a spacey Allman Bros. type jam.=20
Excellent rockin' blues/country set. Texas zone indeed.
Will trade for dat/cd-r
Open for trades from most bands, please ask...
- Michael Falwell
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From: Mikeyled36@aol.com
Subject: BATTERY PACK QUESTION
Reply-To: Mikeyled36@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:47:13 EDT
Does anyone knwo where I can get a battery pack for the Sharp MD 702?? The
one that allows you to use a AA battery. I need one in time for DMB 5.5.99
B'ham!!
Mikey
From: "William Tatina" <bmtatina@email.msn.com>
Subject: ISO: Stevie Ray Vaughan
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:06:16 -0600
Can anyone burn a CDR of SRV's promo single that was released with the
remastered Cd catalog. I'm looking for the one song that didn't get
released. Thanks Bill
From: Mikeyled36@aol.com
Subject: TICKET FOR SALE!
Reply-To: Mikeyled36@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:19:19 EDT
Hey would anyone be interested in a ticket to see DMB 5/5/99 ini B'ham, AL??
Let me know. Selling it for what I paid for it...............$36.00
Mikey
From: Jesse Lackey <jesse@celestialaudio.com>
Subject: Bits and resolution, yet again
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:23:28 -0400
> How about an extreme example: I have a 128-bit recorder, but the recording
> level is such that it peaks at (128 - 14) * -6db/bit = -684db. Do I have the
> details of 128 bit conversion? Of course not. I have 14 bits of signal and
> 114 bits all zero. A 14-bit recording.
>
> REPLY: No! Your still not getting it. You're again confusing dynamic bits
> (loudness) with resolution bits. A 12 bit recording can get just as loud as
> a 20 bit recording, but can't resolve as much detail (the size of each bit)
> as say a 20 bit in within passages at any signal level. A 12 inch ruler is
If by dynamic range you mean loudness on playback, of course that is
independent of recording resolution.
> remains the same in all cases. Your getting full benefit of a 12 or 16 or 20
> bit A/D convertor NO MATTER WHERE THE VU PEAK LEVELS ARE ADJUSTED. A/D Noise
> levels are so far down in practice, that needing to push VU peaks with 12 bit
> and better A/Ds is not an issue for purposes of pure acoustic to Rock
> amplified music recording.
>
Then what about the statement above that a 12-bit recording cannot resolve as
much detail as a 20-bit one?
As to better A/D converters being worthwhile in particular situations, that
depends on: all the equipment involved, what the tape is to be used for, the
room acoustics, how much you care about the recording, how good your ears are,
how good the playback will be, etc. Taping phish from the middle of a
coliseum with inexpensive mics - probably not. Taping solo vocal in a studio
with $3K mics, undoubtedly so.
> The fact is, being conservative in setting VU peaks at about -12 dB VU on
> most portable decks is a benefit in reducing overall IM distortions as the
> voltage rails of the analog processing circuits 'brickwall' at just above
the
> 0 dB VU mark. Pushing average VU levels above -12 dB VU on such decks
causes
> a non-linearity distortion that gets worse the closer the analog signal
gets
> to the supply rails.
This flies in the face of every DAT deck manual, recording book, and magazine
article I have ever read.
> Jesse seems an idealist who may of course do as he likes in setting his own
> recording levels, but reality is not impressed with changing the physics.
Not only are the aguments presented completely unconvincing, but nobody else
in the industry makes them. If one really believes using a 16-bit recorder
as a 12-bit recorder sounds better, due to listening tests or whatever other
reason, fine. But I believe it is important for everyone else reading this
list to know that the technique presented is not by any means accepted
practice.
Jesse
--
Jesse Lackey, Ithaca, NY my personal page: http://www.lightlink.com/jesse
From: Jagjit Chadha <jchadha@calpoly.edu>
Subject: ISO Shakti DATS
Reply-To: jchadha@calpoly.edu
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:41:26 -0700
If anyone has any shows of Shakti other than the released stuff I'd
really like to trade with you. I have some from 75-77 already but would
like to get some more that I don't have. Especially some form their
reunion tour in 97. I have the london royal albert hall show already.
thanks!
Jagjit
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