DAT-Heads Digest #924
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Re: sennheiser types? (Tom McCreadie)
Using Automatic Levels On the PCM-M1 ("Carl H. Adams Jr.")
FS: Panasonic SV3700 DAT Recorder (low hours!) ("R.M. Katzeff")
FS: Sony PCM601 ESD & Digital tracking BETAmax(super low hours) ("R.M. Katzeff")
Re: ISO: TAPER IN SEATTLE (Bad trader) (Mike McHugh)
For Trade-Poi Dog Chicago 4/25/99 (Steve Patterson)
Samsung labeled cdr in case for $1.05
Labeled Maxell 4mm 60m back in stock
Ozric Tentacles ("Larry J. Abballe")
Re: Recording resolution: this time the facts #920 (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
Re: Taping @ Roseland (Paul Lucente)
Please help (ZepMan@aol.com)
Re: Bits and resolution, yet again....... Digest #923 (GuySonic@aol.com)
Yo La Tengo anybody? (Groovunit@aol.com)
ISO: E. Smith at Fillmore 3/1 -3/2/99 (Edward B McGrath)
HOB taping? ("Matt (MJ) Rabon")
From: Tom McCreadie <mccreadi@simplex.nl>
Subject: Re: sennheiser types?
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:01:26 +0200
Udo van den Heuvel in Digest #922:
>>......various versions of the sennheiser capsules I use:
MKE 40 R
MKE 40-4
MKE 40-2 R
MKE 40-3
Does anyone here know what the differences are?......<<
Udo,
I don't have any Sennheiser mics do have an old Sennheiser Revue Nr. 12
(Dutch) which gives some details - too lengthy for a summary here. E-mail
me and we'll work something out.
groetjes
Tom McCreadie <mccreadi@simplex.nl>
From: "Carl H. Adams Jr." <cadams@tiac.net>
Subject: Using Automatic Levels On the PCM-M1
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:15:01 -0400
I experimented with the Automatic level feature last night while taping
Branford Marsalis in Keene NH. My set up is as follows Oade Stealth
Mics->Sony PCM-M1w/modified preamp. I wanted to see if anyone has tried
this feature. My results were excellent my levels were right on and I
didn't see any big fluctuations. Any feedback would be appreciated.
From: "R.M. Katzeff" <jahlive@lvdi.net>
Subject: FS: Panasonic SV3700 DAT Recorder (low hours!)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:27:12 -0700
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FOR SALE:
(2) Panasonic SV-3700 DAT recorder/player.
Super low hours - less than 100 hours of use on each machine!
Used by a serious tape archivist (not in a studio environment.)
Meticulously cared for!
Purchased 3 years ago, and sat in the box for 2.5 years because I lost
interest in taping.
Comes w/ rack mount kit & remote
$700 each (plus you pay shipping)
Call Rick/Marco @ 702/396.4149
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From: "R.M. Katzeff" <jahlive@lvdi.net>
Subject: FS: Sony PCM601 ESD & Digital tracking BETAmax(super low hours)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:29:30 -0700
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FOR SALE
Sony PCM 601ESD
w/ copy-free prohibit bypassed (by Oade Bro's)
Perfect Condition - Used by prof. archivist
Super low hours! A#1 Perfect Condition
$500 obo
plus Sony HLSF 1000 Digital-tracking BETAmax
super low hours & perfect condition
Sony's "top-of'-the-line" consumer deck
$400 obo
eMail or Call RICK @ 702/396.4149
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From: Mike McHugh <mchugh@ici.net>
Subject: Re: ISO: TAPER IN SEATTLE (Bad trader)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:33:39 -0400
> Jeph <jairish@home.com> wrote:
>
>There is a new band called LUMA that just started
>playing it's first gigs up in the north west.
>It's Brad and Chris from Blind Melon (bass and
>guitar respectivly), Dave Krusen from Pearl Jam's
>Ten Album (drums) and a guy named Chris Shinn
>(guitar). Anyways, they're playin in Seattle at
>the Sit N Spin on Friday. If you're not doing
>anything, I recommend you go check them out. I'm
>here in Texas and can't go up there to check them
>out. If you do go, tape the show and I'll refund
>your ticket (and maybe beer refunds can be worked
>out) for a copy. Peace and let me know.
>
>Incentive (maybe): I'm on a Phil & Friends tree
>and will be getting incredible copies
>soon...trade...
>
>4/23/99 Seattle Sit-n-Spin 2219 4th
>Ave. 11:30
>
>Jeff Irish
>http://www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/4473
I wouldn't trust this guy. His name is Jeff Irish from
Dallas Texas. I responded to his desparate plea for any Blind
Melon. He said he was sending his tape right out, so I sent him
my tape and have never heard back from him since. He has ignored
email I have sent asking what the problem is. In my years of
trading, I have never been ripped off before and would warn anyone
else thinking of trading with this guy to forget it.
If Jeff ever does send me my tape, or explain to me why he
hasn't, I will gladly retract my statements about him. I just
wanted to warn other DAT Heads about him. Take care.
Mike
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"Faith and trust can win the day, despite all your losing" -Led Zeppelin
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From: Steve Patterson <sp69@flash.net>
Subject: For Trade-Poi Dog Chicago 4/25/99
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:34:30 -0500
Taped Poi Dog Pondering from FM source last night.
The show is part of a farewell run of shows at The Vic
Theater in Chicago. The band is undergoing some major
lineup cahnges. The tape is 2:45.
Looking for some quick trades.
Send your list. Thanks
Steve Patterson
From: <navalanc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Samsung labeled cdr in case for $1.05
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 56 23:58:02 -0000
Hello, Media Supply is now offering for a limited time only a Samsung
labeled gold faced green back cdr in jewel case for $1.05. This cdr has
tested out very well for us but ofcourse it comes with a money back
gaurentee. Please let me know if anyone has any interest or questions in
regard to this offer. This offer is limited to the inventory we currently
have on the product. Thanks! Joe
Joe Navalance
Account Manager
Media Supply
800-681-9214
navalanc@ix.netcom.com
From: <navalanc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Labeled Maxell 4mm 60m back in stock
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 56 01:56:08 -0000
Hello, Just a quick note to tell everyone that the Maxell labeled 4mm 60m
tapes are back in stock. Thanks! Joe
Joe Navalance
Account Manager
Media Supply
800-681-9214
navalanc@ix.netcom.com
From: "Larry J. Abballe" <abballe@sprynet.com>
Subject: Ozric Tentacles
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:26:48 -0400
Ozric Tentacles Tour Information:
Dates are in day/month/year format
7/5/99 Wetlands, Preserve 161 Hudson St, New York , NY 10013
Tel: 212 966 4225
8/5/99 As Above
9/5/99 Day off
10/5/99 Pearl Street, 10 Pearl St. Northampton, MA 01060
Tel: 413 584 7810
11/5/99 Day off
12/5/99 Wetlands possibly
13/5/99 Paradise Rock Club, 967 Commonwealth Ave. Boston, MA 02215
Tel: 617 562 8801
14/5/99 Recher Theatre, 512York Rd. Towson, MD 21204
Tel: 410 547 7598
15/5/99 Theatre Of The Living Arts, 334 South St. Philadelphia, PA 19147
Tel: 215 922 1011
16/5/99 Jaxx Niteclub, 6355 Rolling Rd. West Springfield,VA 22152
Tel: 703 471 7612
17/5/99 Ziggy's , 433 Baity St. Winston Salem, NC 27105
Tel: 336 748 0810 / 336 748 8820
18/5/99 Day off
19/5/99 House Of Blues, 329 N Dearborn St. Chicago, IL 60610
Tel: 312 923 2011
20/5/99 Ripleys, 2507 West Clifton, Cincinnati, OH 45219
Tel: 513 861 6800
21/5/99 Odeon Concert Club, 1295 Old Rover Rd., Cleveland, OH 44113
Tel: 216 574 6328
22/5/99 The Majestic, 4140 Woodward, Detroit, MI 48201
Tel: 313 833 9700
23/5/99 Shank Hall, 1434 N Parwell Ave. Milwaukee, WI 53202
Tel: 414 276 7288
24/5/99 First Avenue, 701 First Ave North, Minneapolis, MN
Tel: 612 338 8407
25/5/99 Day off
26/5/99 Fox Theatre, 1135 13th.St. Boulder, CO 80302
Tel: 303 447 0095
27/5/99 Day off
28/5/99 The Fillmore, 1805 Fillmore and Geary, San Francisco, CA 94142
Tel: 415 243 8510
29/5/99 Palookaville, 1133 Pacific Ave. Santa Cruz, CA 95060
Tel: 831 454 0600
30/5/99 Galaxy Concert Theatre, 3503 South Harbour Blvd, Santa Ana, CA 92704
Tel: 714 957 0600
31/5/99 TBA
1/6/99 TBA
2/6/99 House Of Blues, 8430 Sunset Blvd, West Hollywood, CA 90069
Tel: 323 650 0247
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Re: Recording resolution: this time the facts #920
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:54:17 -0700
Where your volume knob is turned to upon playback is very important IMHO. Given
the same playback system, a "conservative" recording with peaks at -12dB (or
-6dB or whatever)will not sound as good as the same recording made with optimal
levels(optimal to me is nailing the levels before the show starts and then
(getting lucky) and occasionally going over for very small time durations). Not
only are the stats (such as THD+N)of the A>D (of when the recording was made)not
as good at the lower recording levels (this "garbage" then gets amplified upon
playback)but the analog amplification and playback (amp>cables>speaker)process
itself (bc you must turn up the volume knob to get the desired loudness for a
"conservative" recording)will add yet more noise(a diginormalization will help
this aspect though). Both of these will contribute to hiding some of the finer
details of a recording made under ideal recording conditions...Pete
From: Paul Lucente <plucente@blast.net>
Subject: Re: Taping @ Roseland
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:20:30 -0400
On DAT-Heads, Kevin wrote:
>I would like to tape an upcoming show at The Roseland in NYC. There are
>general admission tickets on the floor & then seating in a balcony. The
>balcony seats cost twice as much as the general admission seats. I'd
>appreciate any input from someone who has been to a show at this venue. Which
>seats are likely to be the best bet for making a nice recording ?
Kevin-
I've taped several Ben Harper shows at Roseland from the general admission
area. I have never been in the balcony, but the sound on the floor was
good. It just gets very crowded. Also, if you are planning to tape a band
that does not allow taping, they frisk at the doors (at least they did all
the times I went), so you'll need to take steps to conceal your equipment well.
Paul
From: ZepMan@aol.com
Subject: Please help
Reply-To: ZepMan@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:17:52 EDT
Dear all,
I'm trying to write a paper on the history of Digital Audio Tape
how it came about and why it didn't catch on with consumers among other issues
If anyone would like to contribute to this paper I would be happy
so If you know of any articles and or web sites that would point me in the
right direction I would be eternaly grateful
thanks
Marc :)
From: GuySonic@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bits and resolution, yet again....... Digest #923
Reply-To: GuySonic@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:20:13 EDT
In a message dated 4/26/99 8:50:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
DAT-Heads-Request@fedney.near.net writes:
<<
From: Jesse Lackey <jesse@celestialaudio.com>
Subject: Bits and resolution, yet again
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:23:28 -0400
> The fact is, being conservative in setting VU peaks at about -12 dB VU on
> most portable decks is a benefit in reducing overall IM distortions as
the
> voltage rails of the analog processing circuits 'brickwall' at just above
the
> 0 dB VU mark. Pushing average VU levels above -12 dB VU on such decks
causes
> a non-linearity distortion that gets worse the closer the analog signal
gets
> to the supply rails.
This flies in the face of every DAT deck manual, recording book, and magazine
article I have ever read.
COMMENT: While everything in the Sony manual is not correct as stated, their
DAT recording instructions (Consistently for many models, but who reads these
anyway!) do say to keep average levels at or about -12 dB VU without really
telling the why's of this. I've just suggested to try out what I've and
others have heard with keeping this advice as correct for getting the most
quality recording out of using these very fine stand-alone portable recording
decks. I recall not hearing this distortion problem when pushing VU levels
on the older TCD-D3 deck. Perhaps because this D3 deck had an adequate
voltage supply system for running the linear signal processing circuits. It
certainly sucked enough power (>.5 amps) to indicate something like that was
being used internally.
> Jesse seems an idealist who may of course do as he likes in setting his
own
> recording levels, but reality is not impressed with changing the physics.
Not only are the aguments presented completely unconvincing, but nobody else
in the industry makes them. If one really believes using a 16-bit recorder
as a 12-bit recorder sounds better, due to listening tests or whatever other
reason, fine. But I believe it is important for everyone else reading this
list to know that the technique presented is not by any means accepted
practice.
Jesse
--
Jesse Lackey, Ithaca, NY my personal page: http://www.lightlink.com/jesse
>>
Perhaps we should rename this the "Hard-Heads Digest!" I'd certainly be
first in line to join!
Using any 16 bit A/D system anywhere within it's input
range_is_still_using_a_full_16 bit system with all the benefits and
limitations of having 16 bits of signal resolution accuracy. Dynamic range
and signal to noise ratio (where the confusion is all about) is still so
great and the noise floor is so low with digital systems, that getting the
best performance by running just 12 dB lower average signal levels below 0 dB
VU (out of a total of 96 dB or more of dynamic range) is very smart and
entirely appropriate with at least the current 'pocket sized DAT portable
decks' used as stand-alone recording systems.
Even some larger non-pocketable portable decks have similar limitations to
some degree. Each model of deck (and auxiliary equipment) should be
carefully evaluated for its strengths and weaknesses. Wise compensation for
recording system shortcomings can 'level the playing field' in giving
equivalent quality results against very costly equipment used for the same
purpose with the same inputs.
With the same microphone input, running conservative VU levels will indeed
allow recording quality to be virtually indistinguishable from other much
more complex systems costing 10 times more and requiring a cart to transport
in. However, more sophisticated, power hungry, and complex systems can and
do run VU peaks to 0 dB (and beyond) without signal quality issues being
raised. I suggest using the compact, affordable, and practical equipment you
have wisely and in a practical manner to avoid any possibility of audio
quality losses.
If you must, 'normalizing' levels later in Post, on a DAW in .wav format.
This is all it takes to have VU signal levels hitting zero without suffering
master tape'd permanent quality loss. This might be more desirable when
trading tapes and least necessary for just home playback purposes.
Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo
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From: Groovunit@aol.com
Subject: Yo La Tengo anybody?
Reply-To: Groovunit@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:41:43 EDT
I recorded YLT over the weekend @ Yale Univ. in New Haven, CT. The show runs
roughly 75 min and was recorded using Sennheiser ME40's (XY config. 20 yds
back, dead center) into a D7. Drop me a line/list if interested. Thanks
Dave
From: Edward B McGrath <sac19854@saclink.csus.edu>
Subject: ISO: E. Smith at Fillmore 3/1 -3/2/99
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:22:11 -0700 (PDT)
Hey everybody-
I have a master of these 2 shows but it is a bit bass heavy/boomy and I
am looking for someone to edit it on CDR if no one else has a nice copy.
Please let me know if you have a nice clean copy or if you'd be willing
to edit this one for me. It was recorded with core sound mics and would
be real nice if we could get the bass sounding correct.
Please let me know if you taped it also so that I can avoid this extra
work ----thanks for BW- have a great day- Barin
From: "Matt (MJ) Rabon" <mj@rocsoft.net>
Subject: HOB taping?
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:42:05 -0400
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I was planning on taping Moe. thursday at the myrtle beach house of =
blues. I've heard that the House of Blues does not allow taping. Does =
anyone know anything about this?
-mj
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
--I would never want to be part of a club that would have=20
someone like me for a member.--
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