DAT-Heads Digest #948
Contents:
FS: Monster Cable 3 foot Digital Optical Cable (NPorPJC) (Dave Pecoraro)
Please tape the Chili Peppers!! (alex coluzzi)
Chin Ho! May/June Show Dates (Andrew Smith)
Re: stand-alone cd burner questions (Seth Breidbart)
battery chargers ("Neil Sturtevant")
ooops... ("Neil Sturtevant")
Re: Panasonic Responds To Omar's DAT Question (Jeff Lester)
Re: Panasonic Responds To Omar's DAT Question (Jeff Lester)
windscreens for akg 480s (Gray Proulx)
Ph & Fr 4/15-17/99 on 80min CDRs (American-Digital)
live Jamiroquai ("Spice, Reid")
help w/casio battery?? (Cjyellow@aol.com)
Panasonic's 'statements' (Jeff Bowen)
ISO: Pink Floyd mic info - Ivor Wynne 6/28/75 (CPS)
taping on reverse side of tape? ("Gary Davis")
wanted :good used sony d-8 ("george s.")
Re: MD vs DAT?? ("Gary Davis")
From: Dave Pecoraro <dave_peck@snet.net>
Subject: FS: Monster Cable 3 foot Digital Optical Cable (NPorPJC)
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:42:38 -0400
Mint condition, Monster Cable Optical > Optical 3 foot cable
with original box. $30 obo. I'll cover shipping. Please email
me if interested.
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::Dave Pecoraro <---> dave_peck@snet.net ::.
::ICQ: 18974698 <---> AOL: mkdevo :::.
::Dave's Digital ---> http://members.aol.com/mkdevo/index.htm :::'
::CD-R Cover Art ---> http://members.aol.com/mkdevo/covers.html::'
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From: alex coluzzi <alexc@well.com>
Subject: Please tape the Chili Peppers!!
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:08:18 +0000
I know this is short notice but if anyone can get it together to catch
these shows I can offer some yummy stuff in return!
May
15 - Portland, OR - Roseland Theatre – 94.7 NRK
| Stop The Hate
16 - Seattle, WA - Moore Theatre – KNDD | End It
20 - Minneapolis, MN - First Avenue – Zone 105
22 - Chicago, IL - New World Music Theatre –
Q101 | Jamboree 99
23 - St. Louis, MO - Riverport Amphitheatre –
KPNT |Pointfest 11
25 - Pontiac, MI - Clutch Cargo – 89X
27 - Philadelphia, PA - TLA – Y100 | Higher
Ground
29 - Baltimore, MD - PSInet Stadium – WHFS |
HFStival
30 - Boston, MA - Tweeter Center – WBCN | River
Rave
then they are off to Europe and back to San Francisco June 18th, though
I can garauntee that show is covered :)
From: Andrew Smith <goodcitizen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Chin Ho! May/June Show Dates
Date: Tue, 11 May 99 16:24:34 -0500
For Immediate Release
May 11, 1999
Upcoming Chin Ho! Dates
After a short rest, Chin Ho!¹s Everything You Know Goes Wrong Tour continues with select northeast dates before the band goes south for the month of July. Chin Ho!¹s new album "Everything You Know is Wrong" features the singles "So David Kamm Said" and "(I Wish I Was a) Girl."
May 21 Carmen Veranda Bar Harbor, ME
May 22 Blue Mermaid Portsmouth, NH
May 27 Met Café Providence, RI
May 29 Styleens Syracuse, NY (Acoustic Show)
May 30 Styleens Syracuse, NY (Electric Show)
June 3 Middle East Boston, MA
June 4 WKPE Concert Cape Cod, MA
June 10 Northern Lights Albany, NY
June 18 Emerald City Montpelier, VT
June 19 Pride Day Concert Burlington, VT (Day)
June 19 Higher Ground Winooski, VT (Night)
The July tour starts on July 3rd in Syracuse, New York. Dates to be announced soon.
A MP3 file of Chin Ho!¹s "(I Wish I Was a) Girl" is available at www.mp3.com and www.bigheavyworld.com The Chin Ho! CD "Everything You Know is Wrong" is available at www.cdnow.com, www.amazon.com, www.cdbaby.com, www.theorchard.com and www.bigheavyworld.com.
Chin Ho!¹s website is www.chinho.com.
To be removed from this mailing list, please reply and type REMOVE in in the message header. Peace.
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: stand-alone cd burner questions
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:58:24 -0400 (EDT)
> and while I'm on the subject, is there any difference in sampling
> rate done in hardware or software, i.e. is one method better?
If it's done digitally, they're the same thing. (That is, any
algorithm can be implemented either way, and the bits you get out are
the same.) Hardware tends to be faster, because it's custom-designed,
while software tends to be poorly written and runs on a badly-designed
operating system using hardware that was optimized for no purpose
understandable to humans.
Of course, some algorithms are better (sonically and/or
mathematically) than others.
Seth
From: "Neil Sturtevant" <neil@directed.com>
Subject: battery chargers
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:19:52 -0700
just an FYI. Alltronics has lead acid battery chargers made by Powersonic
for sale for $9.95. they are rated at .3A, which means they will safely
charge 3 AH or larger batteries. ph: 408-943-9773 , www.alltronics.com
standard not-affiliated-in-any-way disclaimer :-)
Neil Sturtevant
From: "Neil Sturtevant" <neil@directed.com>
Subject: ooops...
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:22:25 -0700
part number for the Alltronics/Powersonic batt charger is 98E025
Neil Sturtevant
From: lester@gandalf.sp.trw.com (Jeff Lester)
Subject: Re: Panasonic Responds To Omar's DAT Question
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:52:36 -0700 (PDT)
Andrew Haley <aph@pasanda.cygnus.co.uk> added:
>> The DDS drives
>> impose a very linear tension to the tape and the operating
>> temperature seldom gets very warm. In fact the composition of DDS
>> tapes limits their use in an environment that exceeds 105 degrees
>> F.
>
>TDK DDS tapes are rated at 45C, which is more like 113F.
>
>Anyway, this is very interesting. What is there in a DDS drive that
>could possibly limit internal temperatures to 105F? If the ambient
>temperature is 80F, that's an internal temperature rise of only 25F,
>or about 14C.
>
>The tapes in such a drive certainly don't seem any cooler than tapes
>which come out of a DAT, but I don't suppose that counts for much.
Regardless of whether DDS drives or DAT decks get hotter, COOL IS BETTER!
I haven't had a single head clog problem since I put on a fan on my machines
about a year ago. So everybody do yourself a favor and put a fan (or two)
blowing on your decks to keep them cool, you'll be glad you did.
-Jeff Lester
From: lester@gandalf.sp.trw.com (Jeff Lester)
Subject: Re: Panasonic Responds To Omar's DAT Question
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:55:52 -0700 (PDT)
"Omar Habibadick" <frunner@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Thanks to all those who responded to my question. I just received this and
>I'm very happy that I asked the manufacturer. I called three authorized
>service centers and they agree. They also told me that not only Panasonic
>but Sony as well will void the warranty of decks using DDS tapes. This is a
>great group thanks!
In the Spring of '97 I sent a Sony DTC-75ES to Sony for work, just before
it's 5 year warranty expired. Although they didn't really fix the tension
problem that I wanted them to fix, they did replace the heads. :-) When they
sent it back to me, it had 3M DDS 60m tape in it.
-Jeff Lester
From: Gray Proulx <grayp@pinn.net>
Subject: windscreens for akg 480s
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:44:11 -0400
anyone have any advice on the best windscreens to get for the 480s?
thanks,
gray
From: American-Digital <dan@am-dig.com>
Subject: Ph & Fr 4/15-17/99 on 80min CDRs
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:26:24 -0400
I think what was so great about the recent Phil & Friends shows was
that nobody knew what to expect, but everybody got what they wanted.
I have REALLY enjoyed listening to these shows for the last 2 weeks.
The following are my time breaks for 80 min. CDs. I thought that some
folks might find this useful. For me, if it's possible not to interrupt the flow
of a set and use a single disc, I'll do it. By using 80 minute CDs the
following things happened.
1. 4-15-99 was able to go on 3 discs instead of 4. (Which then fits into
one of our handy TriSlim 3 disc holders)
2. 4-16-99 the entire first set goes on a 80 min disc with no interruptions.
3. 4-17-99 the entire first set goes on a 80 min disc with no interruptions.
4. 4-17-99 the entire second set goes on a 80 min disc with no interruptions.
I find that the extra 6 minutes comes in handy more often than one would
expect. Many people were turned off by 80 minute discs b/c at first
the only ones available we really poor quality. Now that we have a high
quality 80 minute disc I use them without hesitation.
Anyway, here are the timings for the Phil & Friends show when using
80min CDRs.
4-15-99 Schoeps MK21>AD1000>P1 (front bar rail)
CD1 hello old friends (4:18), viola lee b's (33:59), big rr b's (7:26),
jack-a-roe (5:31), cosmic chuck (11:53) Total 63:07
CD2 wolfman's bro (6:34)> space (7:40)> UJB (18:01)> jam (6:52)
-set 2- alabama (8:39), sugaree (20:24) Total 68:10
CD3 like a rolling stone (12:46)> rider (10:01), r jimmy (8:16),
shakedown (10:36)> jam/space (8:41), wheel (9:13), NFA (14:11)
-encore- tamborine man (6:13) Total 79:57
4-16-99 Schoeps MK21>AD1000>P1 (front bar rail)
CD1 help (5:50)> slip (17:31)> franklin's (14:27), wish u were here (9:10),
10ac jed (8:34), stella [instrumental] (8:23), Alligator (14:25) Total (78:20)
CD2 -set 2- bertha (9:14)> prince caspian (14:21)> st stephen (15:55)>
the 11 (8:06)> unbroken chain (10:41), chalkdust (11:37) Total (69:54)
CD3 mnts of the moon (9:13)> scarlet (11:32)> fire (14:30) -encore-
speech (4:16), intros (1:02), ripple (5:24) Total (45:57)
4-17-99 U89>AD1000>P1 (front bar rail)
CD1 dark st [jam] (14:09)> rigor mortis (13:26), days b/w (12:24)> dark st [v1]
(6:58)> my favorite things (9:06), 1/2 step (8:17), bird sg (13:18) Total (77:39)
CD2 -set 2- terrapin (21:40), dw/d (7:57)> dark st [v2] (6:50)> other 1 [jam]
(1:17), fotd (7:58), kc jones (6:42), dew (13:39), gdtrfb (11:40)> bid you
goodnight (incomplete) (2:14) Total (79:57)
CD3 -encore- speech (5:45), box 'o rain (5:34), intros (1:35) filler: ph & fr
9-24-94 DSS>DAT phil intro (2:48), kc moan (2:27), shoe fits (4:03),
materpiece (4:57), cassidy (6:36), bird sg (10:26)> t-stones (8:38) Total (52:49)
Please contact me, I would like to provide the seed for someone interested in
running an 80 minute CDR tree. I will also trade for really killer, full color artwork
for these 3 shows. And will send the entire run to a unidecker B&P.
Peace-
Dan Haugh
dan@am-dig.com
888-USA-DATS
888-2-USA-WEB
http://www.am-dig.com
Thanks to Gary Fox for sending me the wonderful clones of these shows.
From: "Spice, Reid" <CPRSPICE@NMHG.com>
Subject: live Jamiroquai
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:24:19 -0500
Never seen/heard any live Jamiroquai and they haven't been touring in a
while. Drop me a line if you've got some you'd like to trade.
thanks,
Reid
BW Tax: I'll spin MMW 4.2.99 on 3 CDs to the first 2 to email me
w/answer to this question: name of original keyboard player for DMB.
B&P, of course.
From: Cjyellow@aol.com
Subject: help w/casio battery??
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:28:46 EDT
I am buying a casio ra-d100 from a friend, and was wondering if anyone has
info on building an external battery pack (from radio shack, like people have
for the d-8)
please email me:
cjyellow@aol.com
thanks!! steve
From: Jeff Bowen <jbowen@slonet.org>
Subject: Panasonic's 'statements'
Reply-To: Jeff Bowen <jbowen@slonet.org>
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:31:13 -0700 (PDT)
> >this type of tape will cause damage when certain conditions exist. I'm
> >going to include excerpts from the e mails you sent us so that those
> >who responded
I can't say that I was 'thrilled' that Omar sent my private email off to
Panasonic but at least I don't regret any of the statements that I made.
I realize that once you send an email you have absolutely no control of
where it goes. I'm just thankful that I do Not own a Panasonic deck.
Not that there is anything wrong with them. I just wouldn't want to end up
on a warranty blacklist courtesy of this email. It does sound a lot like a
witch hunt. 'Oh, you agree that you have used DDS tape? Consider your
warranty revoked.'
> >Panasonic, along with a few of our key service centers, have studied this
> >topic very extensively. We have also contacted several of the leading tape
> >manufacturers to determine the differences between the DAT tapes and DDS
> >tapes intended for computer backups. Let me start of by saying that the
> >tapes use two distinctly different tape formulations that are not
> >interchangeable. Much of what we would call "mis-information" appears to be
> >coming from a group on the Internet calling themselves "DATHEADS". So lets
> >get started...
I really wish he would have mentioned exactly what differences he was
refering to. What formulations? The only clear point he makes is to
single out DAT-Heads making us look like all a bunch of raving idiots.
> >
> >daniel kessler <danielk@tomco.net>
> >I always use data tapes; I NEVER use dat audio tapes. I've used data tape
> >for 3 years with few problems and none of the problems do I denote to them
> >being data tapes. I've probably used 1000 by now and my machines work
> >perfectly. I don't expect a warranty problem and I don't think that they
Daniel. Expect one now. That is if you own a Panasonic deck under
warranty. I'm sure you'll be lumped into that same blacklist.
> >nothing to do with any "audio tax". DDS tapes are designed to be used in
> >data drives used in your PC. The DDS drives impose a very linear tension to
> >the tape and the operating temperature seldom gets very warm. In fact the
An audio drive couldn't Be any more linear. My tapes play / record
straight through 99.9 % of the time. I can't see how One tape drive could
be any different than another in terms of temperature. I think they All
get hot. I thought that DDS tape was rated higher than 105 degrees.
> >
> >Jeff Bowen <jbowen@slonet.org>
> >I've been using DDS tape for over 5 years. It hasn't hurt my machines at
> >all. In fact, the DDS tape is rated to a higher standard. Computer data is
> >Much more important than audio so the backup tape must meet ANSI specs. I
> >have heard that it is basically all the same tape anyway though the DDS
> >tape is cut closer to the inside of the reels of bulk tape.
> ><REPLY>
> >Ironically, the audio signal from DAT is digital data that while different
> >in content, is no different than computer data. The "specs" are in fact
> >much different for DAT tape in that DAT tape is certified to withstand
> >higheroperating temperatures. IN a data drive the tape tension is
> >linear and the tape is not subject to the frequent jogging back and
> >forth as in a DAT deck.
> >Again, the alleged similarity is attributed to lots of mis-information.
Well, for one thing he missed my point completely. But then again I wasn't
writing to the gentleman directly. We musn't forget That.
What I meant was that sucessfully backing up computer data is a lot more
Important than archiving a music file. If a data backup tape fails
important computer data can be lost permanently. Never mind that the ones
and zeros are stored the same way. The point is that computer data tape
has to be certified to a lower error count than does audio tape.
An error on a backup tape can have disasterous effects in loss of data.
Again, I can't see how one drive could possibly run any coller than any
other (type) of drive. It seems to me that heat would be produced the same
way in either case. I don't buy the rationale that a data drive is linear
and doesn't jog back and forth. I have heard them clicking and 'jogging'
back and forth.
> >isn't recommended for use in DAT audio decks by many manufacturers. The 90
> >meter tape is thinner and more likely to get hung up in the loading
> >mechanism. You want to stick with 60 meter DDS tape. 60 meter = 2 hours.
> >
> ><REPLY>
> >Ironically, some DDS tape manufacturers use thinner tape, but it's not a
> >standard practice. While DDS tape is not recommended, we have never seen
> >any
> >failure attributed to the length of the tape. The price difference is
Again, he makes no distinction between 60 and 90 meter DDS. Just another
'blanket policy'. I want to know Why DAT machine manufacturers forbid the
use of extra long (90 meter) tape if they 'have never seen any failure
attributed to the length of the tape.' I don't get it.
> >At this time I can tell you that we have voided the customer's warranty on
> >several decks that have come in with damage caused by the use of DDS tapes
It sounds like this is his real interest. I wonder how much money that
saves the company?
> >and now have an official policy that deals with that. Several dealer have
> >also forwarded us information that shows at least two of our competitors
> >have done the same. On at least two Sony DAT decks the transports have been
> >specifically designed to detect and eject DDS tapes, all attributed to the
Oh wonderful. Please elaborate. Those are two decks I won't have to
purchase. I really dislike the question of 'freedom of choice' being
taken away from me like that.
> >will cause damage. Also, keep in mind that Panasonic sells both types of
> >tape so we have no motive other than customer satisfaction in making these
> >recommendations.
>
Sounds to me like his comments are a Bit more than a simple
'recommendation'
Sorry for all the blather,
Jeff
From: CPS <csylvest@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Subject: ISO: Pink Floyd mic info - Ivor Wynne 6/28/75
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:27:15 -0500 (CDT)
hello. i am wondering if anyone in DAT-head-land knows any more specifics
of the rig that was used to record this wonderful Pink Floyd concert.
(except for those screamers on the last song or two)
Ivor Wynne Stadium: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada 6/28/75
all i know is "reel master to DAT". any extra info (like what mics were
used) would be stellar.
i'll do a b&p to the first unidecker who replies...
Carl (finals are done - yeeee hah!!)
----------- carl-sylvester@uiowa.edu -----------
http://www.naples.net/~nfn04417/carl/
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: taping on reverse side of tape?
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:46:35 -0700
> i took the tape apart, and discovered some crinkle at the start of the
> tape which, with the folding, apparently had caused the tape to load
> backwards i.e. the heads were attempting to record on the backing. at
> least that was the way the tape was loaded into the shell.
>
> long story short, there was no recording to recover!
I don't think your conclusion is certain. There is a more than
reasonable chance that a playable recording *can* be made on the
reverse side of the tape.
--Gary
From: "george s." <fearless-pigeon@nac.net>
Subject: wanted :good used sony d-8
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:44:30 -0400
i'm looking for a portable d-8 to start out with.anyone willing to part
with theirs for a reasonable sum please mail me.fearless-pigeon@nac.net
thanks
george s.
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Re: MD vs DAT??
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:47:44 -0700
> i got his email and a copy of his recording and did a blind test
> with my show put to cassette and his to cassette,
Well, that convinces me! I'm dumping all my digital equipment and
buying a cassette!
--G
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