DAT-Heads Digest #953
Contents:
Sam Ash Music Address (ElTortuga4@aol.com)
Dust Cover? ("Adam C.")
tapers needed for St Etienne in Japan, June '99 (GaoBest@aol.com)
Burned by my CD-RW... ("Allan Horn")
Re: VHS>DVD (no DAT content, but some digital content) (Sebastian Boschert)
Re: DDS vs DAT tapes (Andrew Haley)
Re: CDR recorders ("David D. Rogers")
Funky Meters & Taping ("nick@tapetree.com")
Re: taping on reverse side of tape? (Andrew Haley)
DAT specs. (Chuck)
DAT specs. (Chuck)
ISO:GDH #554, 555, 556 (jay fagan)
ISO: Smashing Pumpkins 99' tour (with Jimmy Chamberlain) ("Elliot Jackson")
DDS vs DAT ("Rob Bertrando")
ISO - Kevin Hughes from San Antonio, TX (Scott Mogol)
Recordings of Live Latin Music (Rickey456@aol.com)
DAT Question of the day (jeff ruben)
RE: Anybody know where I can find plain talk about SCMS? (Gordon Gidluck)
NSG Pre-amp Question? (Duncan Oldham)
mic-pre help (electronics) needed (Udo van den Heuvel)
Good CD-R Drive Under $400? (seeleys@nytimes.com)
ISO Neil Young MSGT shows (jeff ruben)
taping on reverse side of tape? (seeleys@nytimes.com)
From: ElTortuga4@aol.com
Subject: Sam Ash Music Address
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:27:37 EDT
Does anyone have this web address, or phone number
Email me off the list if you can
Thanks
<a href="mailto:ElTortuga4@aol.com">ElTortuga4@aol.com</a>
From: "Adam C." <roarke@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Dust Cover?
Reply-To: "Adam C." <roarke@bigfoot.com>
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:27:51 -0700
Hey all,
I just picked up a Tascam DA-20 mkII and would love to get a dust cover
for it. Anyone have any suggestions on where to pick something like that up?
Thanks,
-A
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'Everybody knows this is nowhere'
Neil Young
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From: GaoBest@aol.com
Subject: tapers needed for St Etienne in Japan, June '99
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:40:27 EDT
hey kids
is anyone going to be able to record St Etienne's two gigs in Japan in June?
They are playing in Tokyo and Osaka, if anyone can attend either or both
shows and tape them, please email me, I'd really appreciate it! I have some
clones from the UK May '98 and US Dec '98 tours, plus I'm hoping to get some
shows from the US May '99 tour. I'm also supposed to get a clone of the
March '93 gig from Portsmouth one of these days...
I'd still appreciate if other DATheads can record any of the US May '99
shows, please email and let me know. They're a great band, although that
isn't really saying much :-)
ta
mike
gaobest@aol.com
From: "Allan Horn" <AllanHorn@ij.net>
Subject: Burned by my CD-RW...
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 03:19:52 -0500
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Just a piece of advice to the datheads... be careful what combinations =
you try to put together when you buy a CD burner of a new computer.
I spent most of Sunday and Monday on the phone with tech supports at =
Acerperipherals.com, Adaptec, and e-machines... (the latter was by far =
the least amount of time!)
About 5 or 6 months ago I bought an Acer CD-RW (6206a) and installed it =
in my old Acer Pentium 100mhz. Loved it! Only trouble was that I didn't =
have much room to record and edit on my little 1.01 gig hard-drive.
Last week I bought a new e-machine 366mhz with Windows 98 and spent =
about 36 hours straight trying to get it to recognize my burner as new =
hardware... I have to=20
admit, the Acer techies (based in Costa Rica believe it or not!) were =
very patient and tried very hard to help for a long time before they =
lost patience with me!=20
Adaptec said talk to Acer and e-machines, and e-machines said "leave our =
config.sys alone... we like it the way it is."
I finally figured out how to make the bios recognize the hardware on my =
own, and on boot-up I got the message "Hardware not compatible"!
So before you get a new computer with Windows 98 or a new CD burner, =
make sure they will work together!=20
Regards,
Allan Horn=20
Horn Productions - Audio
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>admit, the Acer techies (based in =
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believe it or not!) were very patient and tried very hard to help for a =
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From: Sebastian Boschert <mailing.lists@2007.org>
Subject: Re: VHS>DVD (no DAT content, but some digital content)
Reply-To: Sebastian Boschert <mailing.lists@2007.org>
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:52:11 +0200
> I have a master video that is rapidly aging and wondering if anyone knew
> of
> an organization that has the ability to burn DVDs if such a thing is
> possible. I would rather not keep copying the master as i would hate to
> see
> it self destruct now that it is pushing 8 years old.
> I suppose I could copy it onto one of the those new fangled digital video
> camera tapes but wanted to see the possibility of getting a DVD pressed.
I don't know of any organisation that can do this for you put I know how to do it yourself. You need a DVD-Recorder and a MPEG Digitizer card in your PC. Then you digitize your tapes to hard disk and burn the DVD with any DVD-R program that supports VideoCD/DVD.
---
Sebastian Boschert
E-Mail: boschert@stuttgart.netsurf.de
Web: www.sebastian-boschert.ml.org/boots/
ICQ: 2010141
From: Andrew Haley <aph@pasanda.cygnus.co.uk>
Subject: Re: DDS vs DAT tapes
Date: 13 May 1999 08:46:48 -0000
> From: "Paul Chrostowski" <pchrosto@gate.net>
> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:59:09 -0400
>
> This guy isn't much of a guru if that's what he's saying about 90M tapes
> in the R500 and M1. In the real world it's just not true. Everyone I
> know with either of these decks or other Sony decks, this includes myself,
> know that when you FF or RW 90M tapes in either of those decks things come
> to a grinding halt.
My M1 does no such thing.
> My D8 bit the dust a long time ago, solely because I used 90M tapes
> in it.
People do say the strangest things on this list! How on earth could
you possibly know that it was soley due to using 90m tapes?
Everything wears out eventually, y'know.
Andrew.
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: CDR recorders
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:20:01 -0700
>From: "John Tsalikes" <taxiboy@gte.net>
>Subject: CDR recorders
>Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:03:40 -0400
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>Can anyone out there tell me which of the new consumer CDR decks will =
>take the computers CDs?
>I've heard some of them you can pull out the tray and insert the less =
>expensive disc. Also, need a DAT or CDR of the Little Feat internet =
>live album. Thanks. John Tsalikes
Quick answer: None of them will. :(
Long answer: Certain units of the Philips CDR-880 model would, but Philips
removed this "feature" from all subsequent 880's. All of the (previous
model) Philips CDR-870's had the "feature". To record on a non-consumer
disc, you had to first insert a consumer disc, then force the drawer open
and remove that disc, and insert a computer disc. The problem with this
(aside from having to force the drawer open) was that the laser would not
be calibrated for the disc you were recording on. The recording laser sets
itself based on how reflective the disc is, and determines how hot or cold
it should be. When you put a disc in after it calibrates, the laser might
overburn the dye or not burn it hot enough.
Anyway, consumer CD-R media for these recorders are now cheap enough for
almost everyone--in the $2-3 range if you shop by mail order. If you desire
an easy-to-use CD recorder, and the higher cost of the machine (versus a
computer CD-R recorder) isn't a big factor, the slightly higher cost of
media shouldn't be, either.
Peace,
<> David
From: "nick@tapetree.com" <tapetree@msn.com>
Subject: Funky Meters & Taping
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 05:42:48 -0700
Hey All,
I'll be at The Funky Meters show in LA this Sunday. Does anybody know the
Meters taping policy?
Peace, Nick -
nick@tapetree.com
From: Andrew Haley <aph@pasanda.cygnus.co.uk>
Subject: Re: taping on reverse side of tape?
Date: 13 May 1999 12:42:47 -0000
> >From aph Thu May 13 13:32:14 1999
> From: Jason Reiser <jreiser@ecoutez.com>
> Reply-To: jreiser@ecoutez.com
> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:01:41 -0700
>
> The arguments about why a recording cannot be made on the reverse of a
> DAT tape all sound quite interesting. I'd believe it if not for the
> fact that I've done it.
That's a pretty strong argument!
The plastic (PET) tape is 10 microns thick, with a magnetic layer of 3
microns and an anti-static backcoating of 0.5 microns. The recorded
track is 16 microns wide, so I suppose that it might work. Damn close
theing, though...
Andrew.
From: Chuck <crtb@capecod.net>
Subject: DAT specs.
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:19:00 -0400 (EDT)
Does anyone know of a URL to a specification, at the bit level,
describing exactly how (1) bits are laid onto a DAT, in what order,
etc., and (2) exactly how data is reinforced with forward error
correction bits to form frames or packets or whatever is recorded
on tape, and (3) exactly what data is recorded on tape in addition
to digitized samples; for instance, how are time codes and SCMS
encoded. All that kind of stuff. Further, if such a URL exists,
does it describe (4) how computer data is written into similar
frames; and finally (5) what drives can handle either format.
While we're at it, (7) is there any info telling exactly how DDS
tapes can be distinguished from audio DAT tapes. (Somewhere I read
something about holes in the cassette).
The nonsense on the list speculating on these things wastes everyone's
time. Similar nonsense seems to surround questions regarding
warranties, DDS vs. DAT. My own opinion is that, in order to be
allowed to market DAT equipment in the US, dealers were forced to
restrict access to DDS tape, or to assert that it wasn't suitable for
audio recording. Which is why a Panasonic source would naturally
wish you to believe DDS tapes are bad for you. Strictly a marketing
effort, nothing technical about it, although clothed in technical
jargon. Nomex underwear anyone?
Chuck Bacon -- crtb@capecod.net
ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY
From: Chuck <crtb@capecod.net>
Subject: DAT specs.
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:25:45 -0400 (EDT)
Does anyone know of a URL to a specification, at the bit level,
describing exactly how (1) bits are laid onto a DAT, in what order,
etc., and (2) exactly how data is reinforced with forward error
correction bits to form frames or packets or whatever is recorded
on tape, and (3) exactly what data is recorded on tape in addition
to digitized samples; for instance, how are time codes and SCMS
encoded. All that kind of stuff. Further, if such a URL exists,
does it describe (4) how computer data is written into similar
frames; and finally (5) what drives can handle either format.
While we're at it, (7) is there any info telling exactly how DDS
tapes can be distinguished from audio DAT tapes. (Somewhere I read
something about holes in the cassette).
The nonsense on the list speculating on these things wastes everyone's
time. Similar nonsense seems to surround questions regarding
warranties, DDS vs. DAT. My own opinion is that, in order to be
allowed to market DAT equipment in the US, dealers were forced to
restrict access to DDS tape, or to assert that it wasn't suitable for
audio recording. Which is why a Panasonic source would naturally
wish you to believe DDS tapes are bad for you. Strictly a marketing
effort, nothing technical about it, although clothed in technical
jargon. Nomex underwear anyone?
Chuck Bacon -- crtb@capecod.net
ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY
From: jay fagan <jbird@bicnet.net>
Subject: ISO:GDH #554, 555, 556
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:22:05 -0400
If someone gets this entire show from 6-23-88 Alpine Valley onto DAT/CDr
I'd love to set up a trade.
Much to offer DEAD/Bluegrass/Acoustic
TIA....JAY
From: "Elliot Jackson" <elliotjackson@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO: Smashing Pumpkins 99' tour (with Jimmy Chamberlain)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 06:37:49 PDT
Hey guys,
I'm looking for some of those recent Pumpkins shows with Jimmy, and i'm
hoping someone out there can help me locate some of these. anyway, i've got
a few things to trade, so if you have some 99' Pumpkins shows, or know
someone who does, please let me know and we'll set something up.
Thanks,
Elliot
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From: "Rob Bertrando" <rbbert@earthlink.net>
Subject: DDS vs DAT
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:04:31 -0700
The 90M tapes slow down because of the altered tension required to not
stretch the thinner tape. this is actually an argument in favor of 90M
compatibility, not against. A deck that FF/REW 90M as fast as thinner tapes
is obviously not adjusting the tension to compensate.
Anyone with a R500/700 can experiment with several different DATs
(preferably different brands). The fast wind speeds will vary from tape to
tape, and especially brand to brand. For instance, KAO Gold 90M wind
almost as fast as 60M, and the Sony DATs go most slowly. Maxell and Fuji
are somewhere in between.
I use about 80% 90M, with total head use (and that doesn't appropriately
count fast wind) of 3500 hrs on one R500, 1500 hrs on another, and 3000+
hrs on a D7! No problems whatsoever.
>>This guy isn't much of a guru if that's what he's saying about 90M tapes
in the R500 and M1. In the real world it's just not true. Everyone I
know with either of these decks or other Sony decks, this includes myself,
know that when you FF or RW 90M tapes in either of those decks things come
to a grinding halt. I've had my R500 for over a year and it's come to the
point where 90M tapes will actually stall and stop when FF/RWing,
everything is fine with 60M tapes, they wiz by when you FF/RW. Ever since
I got it, it's been slower with 90M tapes when FF/RWing, at first only
Sony DDS tapes, then the problem spread to all brands I've tried. My D8
bit the dust a long time ago, solely because I used 90M tapes in it. If
this is the advice you're getting, please go call the Oades and ask them
what they think, they're the one place I know of that are staunchly
against the use of 90M tapes. Save yourself some time and money and stay
away from them the best you can.
Take Care,
Paul
From: Scott Mogol <smogol@intr.net>
Subject: ISO - Kevin Hughes from San Antonio, TX
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:36:16
I am looking for Mr. Kevin Hughes <khughes2@Trinity.Edu> from San
Antonio, TX - you owe me the 3 CD set of Trey Anastasio from Higher Ground
in VT . . . it's been over a month, and you don't seem to respond to my
e-mails. Sorry to post publicly about this . . . but if anyone can pass
this along to Kevin it would be appreciated. Thank you. <>Scott<>
From: Rickey456@aol.com
Subject: Recordings of Live Latin Music
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:21:50 EDT
I may have asked this before but- is there anyone out there who is recording
performances/concerts of Latin-American groups or who has any recordings of
the same?
TIA
Rickey Stein rickey456@aol.com
From: jeff ruben <jeff.ruben@mail.sprint.com>
Subject: DAT Question of the day
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:37:27 -0700
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Okay folks, the Sony ECM-717 mic did the trick for acoustic recording,
but now we're off to see the Allman Brothers in July and I'm looking for
a reasonably priced mic for an 8th row seat to use with my TDC-D100.
Preferably small with no mic stand. What's good?
Jeff
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From: Gordon Gidluck <ggidluck@artelco.com>
Subject: RE: Anybody know where I can find plain talk about SCMS?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:38:49 -0700
> From: "Lost_Sailor" <windead@dreamcom.net>
> Subject: Anybody know where I can find plain talk about SCMS?
> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:14:45 -0400
>
> I've been trying to figure out what I'd end up with if I recorded =
> optical to DAT (set to IDG "00") from a minidisc master I recorded which =
> does not allow SCMS to be defeated. Is it that once the die is cast (by =
> recording on the MD with SCMS enabled), that I can't make a digital copy =
> from the DAT (say back to MD) without some kind of SCMS stripper unit?
> Peace,
> Tom
Here's how SCMS works. There are two bits involved. The first
analog>digital recording you make will have SCMS "11". The first bit
means SCMS enabled. The second bit means 1 copy allowed.
If a tape/disk has SCMS "11" then it will allow 1 digital copy from that
recording. The second generation recording will have SCMS "10". No
digital copies would be allowed from that.
So, in your example. If you analog sample on your minidisc, then digital
copy to the DAT, that should be allowed. If you try to digital copy the
same recording back from the DAT to the minidisc, it would be
prohibited. Yes, you would need a SCMS stripper unit to getaround that
or a pro machine or some other device.
Gordon
From: Duncan Oldham <duncan@epix.net>
Subject: NSG Pre-amp Question?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:47:35 -0600
Has anyone used or own the NSG pre -amp from Klay Audio? it seems to
have all the needs of a pre-amp ,xlr in,s and outs ,left right
gains,mini out{size of a d-8} etc,etc and not a bad price,alot better
than a sonasax,or a beyer,any feed back bad or good please post or
e-mail me at duncan@epix.net
Thank you,,,,,,Dunc
From: udo@dinges.xs4all.nl (Udo van den Heuvel)
Subject: mic-pre help (electronics) needed
Date: 13 May 99 17:44:33 +0100
Hello All!
I'm in the final stage of designing (ahem, throwing together) a small pre-amp
for the new set of microphones that I intend to buy (Sennheiser MKE40-1053 or
maybe MKE104-1053). I just need some input about what type of parts to choose
for optimum performance, etc.
If you have some knowledge in this area please email me so I can send you my
design together with a few questions. Thanks in advance!
Greetz,
Udo
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From: seeleys@nytimes.com
Subject: Good CD-R Drive Under $400?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:45:00 -0400
>I'm looking for suggestions on a drive that supports
>disc-at-once mode, and one that is preferably $400
>or under. Any suggestions?
http://www.buy.com has great prices on the AWESOME Plextor drives. I bought
their 4/12 (4x write, 8x read) internal drive for $260 eight weeks ago. I
think it used to cost over $500 last year, but prices have been dropping
weekly since the new 8/20 came out, and the 4/12 is now down to just $238!!!
It doesn't come with ANY software to speak of, but CDRWIN supports this
drive for disc-at-once. Like all Plextors, it's a SCSI drive so if you
don't have a SCSI card, you'll have to buy one of those too (like an Adaptec
2910 PCI plug-in card, $70 new at buy.com). I think Plextor also sells a
version of their drives which has the SCSI card included - so it's
guaranteed to work, but it costs a LOT more than buying the two pieces
separately.
Total cost - about $320 with shipping. You still need to figure in the $$$
for extra hard drive space and for a digital soundcard or dat-port, if you
don't already have these taken care of.
Hope this helps,
Scott
From: jeff ruben <jeff.ruben@mail.sprint.com>
Subject: ISO Neil Young MSGT shows
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:54:27 -0700
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Subject say it all, almost. Looking especially for the last two (of
three) shows. Have shows from the first leg of the tour to trade, plus
others.
Jeff
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From: seeleys@nytimes.com
Subject: taping on reverse side of tape?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:59:37 -0400
>I then flipped the tape 180 degrees and spliced the break
>back together.
(snip)
>This effectively duplicates the theoretical "tape flipped
>during loading" situation where D7/D8 decks might
>be recording on the wrong side of the media.
Now THAT is an interesting experiment, and a very good idea! My
compliments.
(But what if the sony mis-loads your test tape, and actually plays the
reverse side??? :-)
Scott Seeley.
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