DAT-Heads Digest #957
Contents:
RE: Panasonic's reply to Omar (long) (James Treworgy)
ISO: Pork Tornado DSBDs? (Rick Gebhard)
CD_R labeling pen (Jay Lyons)
ISO: Lemonwheel Schoeps DFOBs Please!!! (Drummerist@aol.com)
DDS vs DAT ("Rob Bertrando")
DDS vs DAT (Jeramy Daniels)
Hearing Protection ("Joe Reed")
DAVID BROMBERG BIG BAND TOUR??? ("edward gryniuk")
Web Addresses for Core Sound (Len Moskowitz)
Trey 5/13/99--- minor tape problems ("tom reizes")
TO Theo Forbath !!! ("Joe Ray Skrha")
Trade: Robin Trower 03/22/99 Denver ("William Tatina")
info needed on pioneer pd04 cd burner (Joshua Nicotra)
ISO Trey solo ("Aldo Torre")
SonicPort (Robert Donovan)
Do U Have an Phish Atlanta Taper Ticket? ( Not ISO/WTB) ("T M")
Re: Recent Maxell 90m problems ("Scott Bernstein")
For sale Sony wmd-dt1 (dc)
re: Jeramy Daniel Challenge (Craig Hillwig)
From: James Treworgy <jamie@treworgy.com>
Subject: RE: Panasonic's reply to Omar (long)
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:35:46 -0700
I have to say this Panasonic fellow is continuing to lose credibility in my
eyes. We see things like
"technical support manager" - always the expert on the material
construction of tape media. Until I see an engineer's name (and phone
number or email address) this remains bunk.
"the tapes are quite different and not interchangeable" - yet still with no
actual *description* of these so-called differences. What is the
formulation of DAT vs. DDS?
Until I see in writing, with a name and address or phone number, a
statement to the effect that "DAT and DDS tape does *not* come off the same
assembly line, here's what's different" this is still a lot of marketing.
Considering that we have a statement sent to Terrapin Tapes (in the last
digest) which *is* actually from an engineer at Maxell, and *does* describe
material differences between DAT and DDS tape - which amount to, for 60M
tapes, that DDS is more rigorously tested, I don't see why this fellow
should have any credibility here than Barney.
Finally, as for the recording audio tax, which another of these
knowledgeable "technical support representatives" said only applies in
Canada, the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 (A US, not Canadian, law) states:
"Obligation to make royalty payments: (Sections 1003 to 1004)
U.S. manufacturers and importers must make payments as follows:
...
* for digital audio recording media, 3% of the wholesale price."
Jamie
From: Rick Gebhard <rgebhard@remc7.k12.mi.us>
Subject: ISO: Pork Tornado DSBDs?
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:54:11
If they're out there and anyone has 'em, please let me know. The setlists
look like a lot of fun and I really like to hear Fishman doing his own thing.
Thanks,
Rick
From: Jay Lyons <jayl@southeast.net>
Subject: CD_R labeling pen
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:17:58 -0400
Hi,
sorry to trouble but I've searched office max,office depot, compusa etc(
this town ain't got no staples) and no one knows what I'm talking about
when I ask for a pen that I can directly write onto a CD-R with and have no
fears of contaminating the dye.
Can anyone help/direct me?
I received one CD-R from a friend and tho it played fine on my home
unit(carrousel) I couldn't get it back out of the machine. Turns out the
label( on printed paper) he'd put on it was too think and wouldn't allow it
to slide back outta the drawer.
this has inspired me to turn to labelling with the pen only.
are there other solutions?
My home decks, cs/dat, are still down so I can't trade at this time.
From: Drummerist@aol.com
Subject: ISO: Lemonwheel Schoeps DFOBs Please!!!
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:25:12 EDT
Hey Everybody,
I'm looking for these tapes (both days) if anyone wants to set up a
trade. Drop me a line and I'll send ya my list.
Thanks,
Luke
From: "Rob Bertrando" <rbbert@earthlink.net>
Subject: DDS vs DAT
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:51:34 -0700
>>. Because there are people
that have had no problems with 90M tapes you can't just simply conclude
that 90M tapes are fine when there are plenty of decks going in for repair
cause of these very real problems associated with only 90M tapes. <<
Exactly, anecdotal evidence is just that, and applies no less to your tales
of woe RE: 90M tapes wearing out decks.
As I mentioned earlier, Terrapin Tapes has the number for Sony's DAT
technical support head tech, but I wouldn't be surprised at this point
(given the legal questions about copying, etc, which are certainly at the
fore these days due to DVD-Audio) if he's unwilling to talk about "gray"
issues even "off the record". However, he used to be, and everything I've
posted comes from this source, which I have no reason to disbelieve (and
many reasons to trust).
I honestly thought all this had been hashed out a few years ago here, but
some people apparently have other agendas.
As alluded to earlier, all the hardware manufacturers are treading a fine
line these days re: copy protection. The new DVD-Audio standard has a
proposed copy protection scheme which will audibly degrade the sound, which
should tell you whence the music industry is coming. I don't think any
company representative would be allowed to say anything supporting copying,
or avoiding the royalty tax on digital media.
From: Jeramy Daniels <jeramy@abcpolymers.com>
Subject: DDS vs DAT
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:10:17 -0400
well All I have to say is DDS's can, and do drag in my DA-P1 and I for one
do not want to take any risks in regards to my portable DAT, however I feel
I could probably run over my tascam 302 home deck and it still keep ticking.
just my preference I prefer not to, but I will run them in my home deck but
never in my portable deck.
Maxell
DDS 90mm $4.60 per
DAT 120min $6.05 per quote tapewarehouse.com in ATL GA
jeramy
gee two post in one day, must be a record, or a DAT, or tape, or something
From: "Joe Reed" <energybuild@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hearing Protection
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:19:21 PDT
Hey
does anyone have any info/research on hearing protection. What kind is good,
where to get em, how much. I feel this is an important topic being I still
can't hear anything from last night's Deep Banana Blackout show.
thanks
later
joe
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From: "edward gryniuk" <eddiegeee@hotmail.com>
Subject: DAVID BROMBERG BIG BAND TOUR???
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:34:49 PDT
ANY INFO OUT THERE REGARDING DATES FOR DAVID BROMBERG AND THE BIG BAND?
THANKS AND SORRY FOR THE LACK OF DIGITAL CONTENT.
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From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Web Addresses for Core Sound
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:52:11 -0400 (EDT)
I just wanted to let folks know that Core Sound now has a second,
easier-to-remember Web address:
www.stealthmicrophones.com
Len Moskowitz Stealth Microphones (tm), Cables, Interfaces
Core Sound www.stealthmicrophones.com, www.core-sound.com
moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: "tom reizes" <thesunalso@hotmail.com>
Subject: Trey 5/13/99--- minor tape problems
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:20:08 EDT
Last nite was schweet, patched out of some AKG3000s, sounds great, great
acoustics, nice small theatre.
One Problem, the music disappears intermittently, not dig noise or drops,
just no music, faulty patch or connection somewhere I guess. It happens
once in the middle of Gotta Jiboo, and a few times in the depths of "Will it
go round in Circles".
Anyone with a complete and tasty tape please, please help out, AKG 3000s,
Neumann U89's, know i saw some schoeps, How'd the FOB come out? Nak 300s.
Lot's to trade!!!
Hopin' someone can hook me up with the phatty tape of last nite's show,
bunch of folks who were there are looking for an unscathed copy of the show.
I will be taping Albany with either AKG480s>MEV100>SBM1 or hopefully a
friends Schoeps MK4>VMS02IB.
BTW, the crowd was enthusiastic (very much so) but not as loud as it seemed
to have been on other nights of the tour, thus, the Acoustic set from last
night is a winner. Crowd screaming is not as much of a problem on the tape
as I expected it would be, couple of gain shifts after the first few songs,
not bad at all.
If i get a good tape I will gladly do some B&Ps for it and already have
many analogers patiently waiting. TFTBW!
Enjoy, peace, tr
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From: "Joe Ray Skrha" <joeray@ptialaska.net>
Subject: TO Theo Forbath !!!
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:22:15 -0800
Hello Theo (or anyone else who can help me),
I'm sorry to use DAT HEADS to communicate to you but I can't get to you
directly. Everytime I send you a message it comes back to me with the
attached message. See below... Any corrections or suggestions, please let
me know... Peace, Joe Ray at: joeray@ptialaska.net
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From: "William Tatina" <bmtatina@email.msn.com>
Subject: Trade: Robin Trower 03/22/99 Denver
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:09:17 -0600
Anyone interested in this show please contact me. Robin Trower Ogden
Theater, Denver.03/22/99 csb>d8
From: Joshua Nicotra <opermgr@cigarsavor.com>
Subject: info needed on pioneer pd04 cd burner
Reply-To: Joshua Nicotra <opermgr@cigarsavor.com>
Date: 14 May 99 14:39:44 -0500
Hey there folks,
does anyone have experience with the pioneer PD O4 cd burner? reccomended unit or lemon? limitations on use (scms, consumer only, etc)?
TIA
Josh
Joshua Nicotra
Operations Manager
Cigar Savor Enterprises
www.cigarsavor.com 800 372-2069
From: "Aldo Torre" <darkstar@shineline.it>
Subject: ISO Trey solo
Reply-To: "Aldo Torre" <darkstar@shineline.it>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:35:07 +0200
Hey all,
I was wondering if anyone would be so kind to trade
the following shows. I'd prefer to trade all together with one trader.
I have lot to offer in return from ABB to Zero
thanks
05/11/99 The 9:30 Club - Washington D.C.
05/10/99 Thomas Wolfe Auditorium - Asheville, North Carolina
05/08/99 Oscar Mayer Theatre - Madison, Wisconsin
05/07/99 American Theatre - St. Louis, Missouri
05/06/99 The Riviera - Chicago, Illinois
05/04/99 Murat Theatre - Indianapolis, Indiana
05/03/99 Michigan Theater - Ann Arbor, Michigan
Aldo Torre <darkstar@shineline.it>
)><///''> ** <''\\\><(
on the deck : Phils 4/16/99 ....Wish You Were Here > Tennessee Jed....
From: rdonovan@wyoming.com (Robert Donovan)
Subject: SonicPort
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:18:03 -0600
Thanks for all the input everyone. I'll let you know how it comes out.
Robert
From: "T M" <rmplurker@hotmail.com>
Subject: Do U Have an Phish Atlanta Taper Ticket? ( Not ISO/WTB)
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:17:46 PDT
Hey
Would someone who has a July 3rd & 4th 99 Phish @ Lakewood Amp. Atlanta GA,
tapers ticket please email me the section number of the tapers seats. I'm
hoping to patch out of a buddies rig and I want to get a seat as close to
the tapers sections as possible. I need to know soon tickets go on sale
tomorrow. I got lawn tickets from MO now I need to get reverved sets so I
can get to the tapers section.
T M.
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From: "Scott Bernstein" <scott_bernstein@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Maxell 90m problems
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:24:28 EDT
This is a very interesting post from Gary here to me. It so happens that in
a 100 lot of Maxell 90 meter tapes that I bought about 6 months ago I have
had an unusually high (6 or 7) tapes fail due to super tight friction with
the shell. In all cases, I would rewind/FF the tape before a show with no
difficulty (or none that I notice). Then I record the show seemingly OK,
but when I get home and try to rewind the tape, it seems a little reluctant,
but rewinds. When I try to play it the tape has jamming problems in the
deck and then when I pull it out, tape is hanging out of the shell. When I
open the tape-protecting guard at the front of the tape and try to wind the
tape back in, I notice that one of the hubs is VERY tight or will not turn
at all! Some of the tapes loosen up after I fiddle with them (turn the hubs
back and forth), but many of them do not, or when I think I've got them
loosened, they tighten back up in the deck. I've had 3 of them actually
BREAK in the deck while trying to use them, one that was unplayable in any
form, and 2 that I just had to trash.
Luckily I was able to get dubs from people who were patched out of me at
shows, but I wanted to confirm that this has been a small problem for me.
Now when I come home from a show I worry that my tape is going to have this
problem! Luckily I'm down to less than 30 in this batch, so I'll be done
with them soon.
One thing that I've noticed is that the recent Maxell tapes I've been seeing
people getting have a NEW shell design from the ones that I have. The ones
that I have have horizontal lines going across the black part of the shell
on the front. The new ones have more of a "sandpaper"-y kind of surface and
say "ASSEMBLED IN USA" printed on the side.
Just my $0.02 incase anyone else is having a problem with these tapes.
Scott Bernstein
>From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
>Subject: Re: 90m tapes and the D8 "blank" bug...
>Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
>Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 03:54:54 -0700
>
>Based on my experience, the D8 "blankety-blank" bug doesn't start
>on just any 90m tapes, but specifically, Maxell 90m's, both labeled
>and unlabeled. Maxell changed their shell design a few years
>back, and many (all) of the Maxell tapes I've seen recently appear
>to have a higher drag (reel friction), as well as making a noise when
>they FF/RW, and they *definately* show the "blank" problem on a
>D8 long before a 90m Fuji/KAO/(Sony?) or other brand.
>
>In fact, while Maxells (labeled and unlabeled) have long been a
>standard of dat-heads, I would highly recommend *NOT* using
>them, just on the basis of how they sound & perform in FF/RW.
>It seems like they put a lot more wear on the deck.
>
>I have noticed recent that several taper who had completely sworn
>off 90m tapes, were sending me 60m Maxells, suggesting that 90m
>Maxells, and not 90m in general, may have been these "slow-
>winding hard dragging" tapes they were complaining about.
>
>If someone has information to prove otherwise, of course, please
>present it.
>
>My latest sample was 20 labeled Maxell 90m's, very recent, and
>they all exhibited this problem. Also, while it's harder to
>demonstrate conclusively, I seemed to have far more head clog
>problems with this batch of tapes (roughly one clog every 4-5
>tapes) compared to zero head clogs which I usually experience
>with "preferred" brands of tape (which are currently Fuji and Sony
>DDS, pending discovery of problems with these brands!!)
>
>--Gary
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Subject: For sale Sony wmd-dt1
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:21:51 -0400 (EDT)
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From: Craig Hillwig <chill@teamschoeps.org>
Subject: re: Jeramy Daniel Challenge
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:54:28 -0400 (EDT)
On Fri, 14 May 1999, Jeramy Daniels <jeramy@abcpolymers.com> wrote:
> this is a challenge
> AKG480hypers>oade248>sbm-1>da-p1
>
> depending on the venue Hypers or Cards
> PS this is a challenge # for # ,$ for $, show for show, venue for venue,
> the best all around rig out.
> PSS dont even bring the, well we got schoeps and everyone knows they are
> the best mics out, into my house because the last three shows I have gotten
> through jim Oade with schoeps, both he and I agree that they lack
> imaging,RE: you have got to have the right venue for the schoeps to out
> perform, and I can't remember the last show I went to except maybe the fox
Are these true comparisons? Same location? Same stereo configulation??
Same recording level? It's pointless to compare two recordings if they
arent made in the same manner.
That said, "imaging" is a stereo concept and has very little if anything
to do with the brand of microphone used and everything to do with the
placement and configuration of the stereo pair and the skill of ther
person recordin ghte show. True, if the mics are very poorly matched the
image might suffer, but HQ mics...Neumanns, Schoeps, AKGs, DPAs, Geffels,
Sennheisers...etc...don't exhibit this. It's obvious that you are not
working from a sound basis in recording theory or practice, and are merely
tossing around terms like "imaging" for some reason.
As an aside, it's interesting that since 1995, it seems, certain folks
who once swore by Schoeps (even when other mics were available and in wide
use) now bash them routinely....even when everyone else I know thinks the
tape sounds amazing.
> in ATL and the warfield in SF were this could apply and I have seen 28
So you're saying that, all else equal, in historically great sounding
rooms the Schoeps sound better?
> panic shows 6 galactic shows 2 leftover, 1 string cheese and various others
> local bands around ATL GA in the last 365 days.
It might have something to so with have anything to do with the fact that
the sound at Panic shows is typically much worse than that of other bands.
This isnt just my experience...this is the consensus of many diehard Panic
heads who feel that, even with the new PA, the FOH person simply can't get
it together most of the time.
> If you feel confident with your, and I mean your rig, not some tape you
> dubbed from someone and want to go toe to toe and we can match venues
> lets get it on.
Better yet, why don't you do some true comparisons...same location...same
stereo configuration, same recording levels, then issue your challenge.
If you already have, then find a person on Phish tour this summer running
Schoeps CMC641s into an Apogee AD-1000 and run on the same stand, in the
same configuration and try to match the levels as closely as possible. I
have this rig, but so do many of my friends, so its all the same.
I'm not predicting which tape would sound better, just insisting that it
be a controled experiment.
> I am not really this arrogant I just thought it would be fun to compare
> some of the top of the line rigs out.
> thanks for playing.
You wouldn't sound so arrogant if your post didn't lack credibility. I'm
not really this pissy...just thought I would rant because it's Friday and
my stocks are down and I got lawn tix for my mail order.
=====================
Craig Hillwig
chill@teamschoeps.org
chill@well.com
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