DAT-Heads Digest #962
Contents:
(NDC) Personal to Denny Gene ("Jim Muriceak")
Re: Recent Maxell 90m problems (Rich Perlman)
ISO: Rock am Ring / Rock im Park Festival Tapers (Sebastian Boschert)
Hole -- Metal detectors (ACR7@aol.com)
Phil and Friends CD-r Offer (BirdSongII@aol.com)
Anyone familiar with Pavement's taping policy? (KindTaper@aol.com)
Tom Petty German broadcast (enrico@pemo.com)
Apogee info (Duncan Oldham)
WTT: Good Phish 7/4 pavillion seats for tapers (KindTaper@aol.com)
extra dats for trade ("allan chen")
90m DDS, and 90m DDS tapes again ("David D. Rogers")
ISO:Alpine and deer creek tapers ("Daniel Loevy")
RE: AT822 (correction) (Eugene Hu)
personal for stagestruck1 _ JID ("Neil Sturtevant")
Power for Graham-Patten DMIC-20? (Charlie Brush)
D8 dead, need opinions on options (Aaron Westendorf)
Tracks in Negative Time (Aschultzy@aol.com)
Digital Soundcards and CD-Writers (Ryan Ellingson)
Re: Help (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Hawker=99?=)
re: help (Rick Shaich)
From: "Jim Muriceak" <jimmuriceak@classic.msn.com>
Subject: (NDC) Personal to Denny Gene
Date: Mon, 17 May 99 14:55:20 UT
Denny - Please get in touch. My emails to you have been
returned as nondeliverable. Hope to hear. - Jim
P.S. Does anyone know how to get in touch with Denny??
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dennygene@webtv.net
550 dennygene@webtv.net... User unknown
hi denny - just checking to see if you've received the sp show i sent
your way on 5/5? thanks for the trade. peace. - jim
From: Rich Perlman <montclair@cyburban.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Maxell 90m problems
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:42:17 -0700
Gary Davis wrote:
Maxell changed their shell design a few years
back, and many (all) of the Maxell tapes I've seen recently appear
to have a higher drag (reel friction), as well as making a noise when
they FF/RW, and they *definately* show the "blank" problem on a
D8 long before a 90m Fuji/KAO/(Sony?) or other brand.
Scott Bernstein added:
This is a very interesting post from Gary here to me. It so happens
that in
a 100 lot of Maxell 90 meter tapes that I bought about 6 months ago I
have
had an unusually high (6 or 7) tapes fail due to super tight friction
with
the shell.
Hi All,
I had the same exact problem with a 50 lot. I don't recall if it was
90m AND 60m, or just 90m. My vendor was out of stock on Fuji DDS
(my current fav), so I decided to try Maxell HS/4. When unpacking
tapes, I heard the same dragging sound (chuh - chuh - chuh - chuh)
that Gary speaks of. I'm sticking to Fuji.
I also recall at least one other DAT-Heads post (6 months ago?) claiming
the same noises. Surely, we can't be the only ones... YMMV....
Tape on - Rich Perlman
From: Sebastian Boschert <boschert@STUTTGART.NETSURF.DE>
Subject: ISO: Rock am Ring / Rock im Park Festival Tapers
Reply-To: Sebastian Boschert <boschert@STUTTGART.NETSURF.DE>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:11:25 +0200
Hi!
Since I have to work and can't make it to one of the festivals myself...
Is anybody taping Rock am Ring or Rock im Park in Germany next weekend? Please email me at boschert@stuttgart.netsurf.de if you plan taping it. I'm especially interested in the Garbage and Metallica performances.
Thanks for your bandwidth ;)
---
Sebastian Boschert
E-Mail: boschert@stuttgart.netsurf.de
Web: [currently offline]
ICQ: 2010141
From: ACR7@aol.com
Subject: Hole -- Metal detectors
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:19:52 EDT
Metal detectors at the Hole show last night in Boston at the Orpheum (despite
the absence of any security the night before for Blondie.) Just wondering if
this has been standard for the tour. Also, if anyone made it through with
equipment, I need a copy of the show. Much interesting to trade.
Thanks,
Andrea
From: BirdSongII@aol.com
Subject: Phil and Friends CD-r Offer
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:22:32 EDT
I have 4 phil and friends CD-r's that I can offer to some one for blanks.
Email me for details.
Ollie
From: KindTaper@aol.com
Subject: Anyone familiar with Pavement's taping policy?
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:40:26 EDT
I would like to tape a couple of upcoming pavement shows. From what I
understand,
they do not like pro taping (I guess this means mic stand and gear), but will
give sbd patches to a Sony D-8. It makes no sense to me why they would give
board access but wouldn't allow people to bring in mics, but if anyone can
clarify this for me, I would be very appreciative. Please e-mail me or post
this info to the list.
thanks,
Wes
Kindtaper@aol.com
From: enrico@pemo.com (enrico@pemo.com)
Subject: Tom Petty German broadcast
Reply-To: "enrico" <enrico@pemo.com>
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:22:51 +0200
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From: Duncan Oldham <duncan@epix.net>
Subject: Apogee info
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:42:34 -0600
Hello can anyone give me any pointers on where to lookfor a good used
Apogee ad1000 portable{other than rec.com.audio}Thank you,,,,,Dunc
From: KindTaper@aol.com
Subject: WTT: Good Phish 7/4 pavillion seats for tapers
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:43:21 EDT
I have 2 tickets in the lower level, row x for the 4th of july phish show.
I need one taper ticket for 7/4 and one for 7/3, if anyone would like to
trade.
I also have an upper pavillion seat for 7/3 plus cash or cd's or dats, if
anyone will trade for a 7/3 taper. I also still need one taper for Antioch as
well.
Please e-mail me if you can help.
Thanks,
Wes
From: "allan chen" <kaiyen@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: extra dats for trade
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:09:03 -0700
howdy,
so I have converted a few more shows to CD now. got a couple more
dat's...
DMB
1/26/93 (aka 2/2/93) Trax SDB/onstage cmc54 matrix sony dg 90m
10/26/93 trax S:C:D TDK 180 minute audio dat
5/15/98 Gorge Ampitheater AKG480/CK61>da-p1 2x60 kao gold
Dave & Tim
3/7/99 Santa Barbara mk4>billbox>sbm>d8 10th row 2x60m kao gold
Flecktones
2/19/98 Morristown, NJ unknown source 90m kao gold
Phish
9/13/90 Wetlands DSBD sony dg90m
10/31/98 schoeps source 60m+90m kao gold
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kaiyen@stanford.edu History
http://www.stanford.edu/~kaiyen Stanford U., Class of 2000
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: 90m DDS, and 90m DDS tapes again
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:44:54 -0700
"Justin Trinkes" <mrx991@erols.com> wrote:
>Lets just assume that all 90m DDS tapes are bad for the machine and that =
>60m are just fine to use. What do you do then if a show is 2h 30m long? =
> If the 90m DDS tapes are bad to use because of formula and not actual =
>tape thickness then why has no one come out with a 90m DAT grade tape? =
>If its more a problem with the actual thickness of the tape then we are =
>all just SOL i guess. Granted i am new to this, any and all comments =
>are appreciated.
As I recall, the only person who's claimed that the 90m DDS tapes are more
abrasive is a Maxell rep who informed a Panasonic rep of this. Other Maxell
reps have not claimed this, nor has anyone else to my knowledge.
90m tapes are absolutely thinner than 60m tapes--that's how they get the
extra 30m in there. Probably all decks can handle 90m tapes on occasion, as
long as they're not used on a regular basis. (I'm not sure how much damage
a single pass through the average DAT recorder 90m tapes cause, and how it
builds up over multiple passes.) If you've got a 2h 30m show, you can
either use a 90m tape or split it up over two 60m tapes. You can also get a
deck that's claimed (by users, if not the manufacturer) to handle 90m tapes
well.
and ElTortuga4@aol.com wrote:
>When I bought my Sony PCM 2600 (from an authorized Sony Dealer) they
>ADVERTISED that the 4 Direct Drive Motor was capable of handling 90M tapes
>without any fear of wearing out the motor. If they don't make 90M DAT tapes
>then I guess he was talking about DDS. Assuming that I do use DDS tapes, do
>you think this would void my Warranty?
I don't know if Sony will stand behind the claims of one of their dealers,
even if they're "authorized", when Sony doesn't make those claims. AFAIK,
Sony has never made those claims. There are 90 meter DAT tapes out there
from TDK, but I don't know of any others.
Peace,
<> David
<> David
http://www.lightlink.com/drogers/
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From: "Daniel Loevy" <dloevy@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO:Alpine and deer creek tapers
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:56:15 PDT
If you have Taper tickets for alpine or deer creek that you would like to
sell or trade, please contact me. Can give patch , clones, you name it.
Dan
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From: Eugene Hu <eugene@superpeter.west.enterworks.com>
Subject: RE: AT822 (correction)
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
> After some coffee and some sums, I have to retract some of that: Perhaps
> counter-intuitively, the resultant pattern of combining the two cardioids
> out of phase is indeed a symmetric 8-type figure, and not a lopsided
> "letter B", _irrespective_ of whether the X-Y included angle was 90,
> 120,150 180 deg. etc.). Only at 180 deg X-Y,though, do you get the exact
> cosine shape of a true Fig-8. Nonetheless, this still has the makings of a
> nifty cheap S for M/S. Already tried that, Eugene?
>
> Tom
One way to look at it is that you're cancelling out the M component of a
M-S mix when you combine coincedent cardiods out of phase.
I've only tried using an AT822 in fig-8 to record acoustic guitar and not
pick up too much vocal, and that was some time ago. Not surprisingly, I
seem to remember the polar response not being as flat as your typical fig-8
mic. I don't own an AT822, but perhaps someone who does can give it a whirl
in M/S configuration and let us know how it turns out. It certainly could
be a nice way to upgrade to a more flexible setup without having to buy two
new mics if you already own an AT822.
-Eugene
From: "Neil Sturtevant" <neil@directed.com>
Subject: personal for stagestruck1 _ JID
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:16:25 -0700
hey dominic, everything i send you bounces.
Neil Sturtevant
From: Charlie Brush <charlieb@cwix.com>
Subject: Power for Graham-Patten DMIC-20?
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:45:36 -0400
Hey all-
I will be receiving my new Graham Patten DMIC-20 Pre-Amp-A/D this week and
am looking for portable power options. I'd prefer to use something more
inexpensive than the Eco Charge. I'd like to get a few inexpensive
rechargeables(for festivals, etc.) or just regular 6 Volt batteries. I'm
looking for specific manufacturers/model #'s for batteries that will power
this Pre-amp. Someone told me they use the Sonic PS-670, 6 volt 7.0 amp
hour battery, which can be purchased from House of Batteries, but the
recharger for it is out on back order and I need something asap. The
DMIC-20 comes with some type of connector for the battery, but I'm not sure
the name of the device and if it can connect to a 6 Volt battery purchased
at a place like Radio Shack. I called Graham Patten and they didn't have an
answer for me, but are looking into it. Thanks for the help!
http://members.tripod.com/~groovin/index2.html
Charlie
From: Aaron Westendorf <westea@rpi.edu>
Subject: D8 dead, need opinions on options
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:56:37 -0400
I recently sent my D8 into Sony for repair, only to have them tell me
that it's been "excessively used" and that they are refusing to charge
me the flat rate. Considering that the repairs total $471 if I also
replace the front display panel (~$300 just for the heads), I'm pretty
much stuck with coming up with another solution. It's kind of a
difficult decision, I just bought a pair of AKG C1000S' (thanks Mark!),
and I was planning on getting a DATPort and Plextor 4X burner, basically
relegating my DAT for mastering and some tape trading, but mostly for
DAT>CD. To make a short explanation somewhat longer, I don't want to
give up on plans of live taping, considering there aren't too many Agent
Porridge tapers out there, I want to make sure that I can record each
and every show I go to (FWIW, their soundboards are pretty bad right now
since they're still working on their equipment setup). So, here's some
ideas that I came up with (please no emails telling me to buy a DA-P1, I
can't afford it), and I could really use some feedback on:
1)Buy a new D8. Since it's not used (like the last one), I can get the
extended warranty, and run it as much as I want and get it repaired as
often as needed.
2)Buy an M1, which has a cleaner pre-amp. Slightly more expensive, but
now I'm not dealing with SCMS, and my recordings will sound slightly
better. The only drawback to this is that I'll need to modify my car
and battery adapters to deal with the 4.5V input as opposed to the 6V of
the D8. Further, there's the whole issue of the output voltage of the M1
not being compatible (even though I do have an active Oade cable) with
D8's. I'm not even going to add more fuel to the fire, but real world
experience has shown me that there are problems, and it must be a
considered. Warranty situation is the same as with the first option, 5
years extended.
3)This one I just thought of today, and if I can make it work, I would
definitely like to go this route. Basically, the heads are ~$175, and
the pinch roller assembly is about $19. Sony estimated 2 hours of labor
to install them. What occured to me is that I might be able to put in
the new drum and pinch roller, and then send it off to someone who can
do the tensioning and adjustments, and voila!, it's up and running
again, for about $250. I can then buy a new home deck (preferably from
the person who adjusts the deck), and all of a sudden I'll have a D8
with new heads and pinch roller, used soley for mastering and some
cloning, and a sturdy home deck (with 5 year warrenty) for regular
listening, CD mastering, and recording for clones.
I rather like this third option, since I don't really need the display
replaced (I had only asked for an estimate on it's cost of replacement),
and I would get a lot more out of it. If I do go with this, I'll need a
little help with putting in the new drum, but after taking the deck
apart a couple of times for a wet cleaning, I really don't think it
would be that big of a deal. From what I could tell, there's just one
screw holding the thing on, and since I'd be paying for someone else to
make all the adjustments and alignments, I could save a lot of money by
putting in the new drum by myself. If the proccess of replacing the
heads is a lot more complex than this, than I'll probably go with option
1 or 2. Since each option has it's own merits and drawbacks, I'm having
a really tough time deciding what I'm going to do, and could really use
some help here.
thanks,
Aaron
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DAT List -> http://www.rpi.edu/~westea/dat
"Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate, but
that we are powerful beyond measure"
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From: Aschultzy@aol.com
Subject: Tracks in Negative Time
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:04:29 EDT
I got a Cd with some of the tracks in negative time. For example if track
four was in negative time, at the end of track three the CD reads -5:10,
-5:09 etc. I am new to the CDR techniques and use CDRwin for recording my
discs. If someone could help me fix this is would be great. Thanks.
Andrew
From: Ryan Ellingson <rellings@earthlink.net>
Subject: Digital Soundcards and CD-Writers
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:43:07 -0700
Hey All,
I posted a few days ago to get some info on what everyone thought
about soundcards that can do digital in and out. I took all my
responses and put them on a Word document. If anybody wants this let me
know. What I've figured out so far is that the Soundblaster live is
pretty much no good for the serious tape trader, although one person
e-mailed me and said he really likes his. I got a mountain of e-mail on
why the thing is no good though. The soundcard that sounds like a good
one is the Zefiro ZA2, it will resample quickly but some people say it
may be a little finicky installing. Or, if you have USB ports on your
computer the Opcode DATport sounds like a simpler alternative, although
you must be using Windows 98 to use the USB ports easily from what I
hear.
As far as CD-writers are concerned I have discovered the Plextor
drive seem to be people's picks, although I haven't spent as much time
researching the CD-writers as I have the soundcards. If anyone has
anymore input I would love to hear about it.
I hope this post helps at least a few people.
Ryan
p.s. If anybody wants to spin me a Strangefolk show or two for B&P I
would really appreciate it.
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hawker=99?= <Hawker@Connriver.net>
Subject: Re: Help
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:05:13 -0400
> I was hoping someone out there could give me some advice. I'm looking into
>purchasing a CD Burner & Sound Card. I'm looking into the Yamaha CRW-4416EZ
>& the Yamaha CRW-4416S. What I can't figure out is what is difference
>between Interface E-IDE & Interface SCSI-2. That is the only difference
>between the 2 models as far as I can tell.
EIDE and SCSI are two different interface methods. EIDE is built into most PCs.
SCSI is built into most MACs as well as better PCs and servers but not most PCs
so it requires a separate card. SCSI can also be a bit harder to get working due
to cable and terminator issues etc.
That aside it is a better system. SCSI takes less system resources than EIDE
and hence performs better, faster and more reliable. Almost everyone I know
with EIDE CDRs has had problems with it (perhaps the technology has improved I dunno)
while SCSI works much better. Problem though is the cheap SCSI cards that come
with many of the CDRs are not very good. You end up springing for an Adaptec 2940 card
by the time all is said and done. Neverthe less if you can swing the extra $$$ you will have
a better system.
As for prices check out http://www.cdrexpress.com
They have some great prices on CDRs and burners.
Last I checked they had Plextor 20x8 burners for about $350. Plextor
is one of the best. 8x is about as fast as you want.. any faster and you need
more expensive blanks.
>Also curious if anyone could recommend a
>place that is currently selling these items at a low low price. The lowest
>price I've gotten on the burner was $349.
You didn't mention the speed and brand of this one.. $349 is a good price
for a decent burner.. some of the cheap ones are only 2x or 4x so they
take a while to burn.. if it were me I wouldn't get anything slower than a 6x today.
I have a 4x and it is just to slow for my liking.. 4x takes 20min to burn 1 CD.
6x takes about 13min and 8x is about 10 min.
> Last but not least, wondered if
>anyone could recommend a brand of CD's to buy. Currently I'm buying Memorex
>74 min. Cd's. Comp USA by me is selling 15 packs w/ jewel cases for $24.99.
>I have a couple of friends who use Memorex, so this is the only brand I am
>familiar w/.
I have had the most trouble with Memorex and least with Sony..
Sony has never failed me.. Memorex has trouble in older and cheap CD ROM drives.
Riocoh (sp?) has had trouble in cheap Audio CD players. But every one
seems to have a different experience. Without re-hashing a long
excellent post on the technology let me again point you to
http://www.cdrexpress.com
Click on recording help for a good explanation of the different technologies.
Without trying to plug them to much I just got the 100 Kodak Pthalocyanine dye
deal which was about $1.25 each.. to early to tell for sure but they seem to
be the best CDRs I have tried yet.
Hope this helps
Hawker
From: Rick Shaich <Rick.S@XiChron.com>
Subject: re: help
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:07:33 -0400
Hope this isn't a double post - my e-mail program burped as I sent this the first time.
> I was hoping someone out there could give me some advice. I'm looking into
>purchasing a CD Burner & Sound Card. I'm looking into the Yamaha CRW-4416EZ
>& the Yamaha CRW-4416S. What I can't figure out is what is difference
>between Interface E-IDE & Interface SCSI-2. That is the only difference
>between the 2 models as far as I can tell.
EIDE and SCSI are two different interface methods. EIDE is built into most PCs.
SCSI is built into most MACs as well as better PCs and servers but not most PCs
so it requires a separate card. SCSI can also be a bit harder to get working due
to cable and terminator issues etc.
That aside it is a better system. SCSI takes less system resources than EIDE
and hence performs better, faster and more reliable. Almost everyone I know
with EIDE CDRs has had problems with it (perhaps the technology has improved I dunno)
while SCSI works much better. Problem though is the cheap SCSI cards that come
with many of the CDRs are not very good. You end up springing for an Adaptec 2940 card
by the time all is said and done. Neverthe less if you can swing the extra $$$ you will have
a better system.
As for prices check out http://www.cdrexpress.com
They have some great prices on CDRs and burners.
Last I checked they had Plextor 20x8 burners for about $350. Plextor
is one of the best. 8x is about as fast as you want.. any faster and you need
more expensive blanks.
>Also curious if anyone could recommend a
>place that is currently selling these items at a low low price. The lowest
>price I've gotten on the burner was $349.
You didn't mention the speed and brand of this one.. $349 is a good price
for a decent burner.. some of the cheap ones are only 2x or 4x so they
take a while to burn.. if it were me I wouldn't get anything slower than a 6x today.
I have a 4x and it is just to slow for my liking.. 4x takes 20min to burn 1 CD.
6x takes about 13min and 8x is about 10 min.
> Last but not least, wondered if
>anyone could recommend a brand of CD's to buy. Currently I'm buying Memorex
>74 min. Cd's. Comp USA by me is selling 15 packs w/ jewel cases for $24.99.
>I have a couple of friends who use Memorex, so this is the only brand I am
>familiar w/.
I have had the most trouble with Memorex and least with Sony..
Sony has never failed me.. Memorex has trouble in older and cheap CD ROM drives.
Riocoh (sp?) has had trouble in cheap Audio CD players. But every one
seems to have a different experience. Without re-hashing a long
excellent post on the technology let me again point you to
http://www.cdrexpress.com
Click on recording help for a good explanation of the different technologies.
Without trying to plug them to much I just got the 100 Kodak Pthalocyanine dye
deal which was about $1.25 each.. to early to tell for sure but they seem to
be the best CDRs I have tried yet.
Hope this helps
Hawker
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