DAT-Heads Digest #983
Contents:
Re: Apogee envy (Seth Breidbart)
Sony 2000ES dat deck (opinions wanted) (willard robinson)
ISO: 1998 Pearl Jam Shows (Brian Jurusik)
tom ze/tortoise at bimbo's (GaoBest@aol.com)
Re: PAL conversion ("Alfredo")
ISO; Used sbm-1 ("William Tatina")
Apogee V. V2 (Bill Gardner)
Gear FS: (Joe Galbraith)
Re: Etymotic headphones ("Jack R. Lebowitz")
ISO: Guy who traded with me... ("Christopher and Anne Gillespie")
RE: Apogee Envy (Hawker)
ISO: Trey shows, have 9:30 Club (KAZDEYNA@aol.com)
2 questions from a newcomer.... (Cjyellow@aol.com)
80 minute blank cdr discs... (Graham Newton)
Portable Rig ("Charles M. Quinn")
Palm App - TradeMan! Version Update (Tradedats@aol.com)
5-28-99 Galactic Taping NDP (Ryan Ellingson)
Re: Matrix recordings ("Gary Davis")
8X silver/silver discs ("David D. Rogers")
ISO: Phish Maryland tix (Dead18@aol.com)
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Apogee envy
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:37:53 -0400 (EDT)
> In the end, it's all a matter of taste. But most of the folks I know who
> bought Apogee AD-1000s either shelved or sold their external mic pre-amps
> (Lunatecs, Sonosax, and Oade) because, even it they sounded better -- and
> that's a big if -- the improvement, if any, was so small that it didn't
> justify the extra piece of analog equipment in the signal chain. So, while
> the Lunatec may be "way better", it sure doesn't seem to make too much
> positive difference in the taping of rock concerts.
I think there's enough equipment around here to do a somewhat
definitive test: record the same show, through the "same" mics
(e.g. B&K 4021's, I know at least 3 pair in NYC; if we consider the
4011's the same, 4 or 5 pair) into Apogee raw, and Apogee with
different pre-amps. (Put the mics on the same stand and crossbar, so
location differences are also minimized.) Then, distribute a tape
with different versions of the same songs (without telling people
which is which) and see what people think. (Based on my experience,
we'll get some fairly strong opinions about which is better, that
won't agree with each other. If we do it right, most of them won't
agree with themselves.)
Craig, Eric, are you up for the test?
Seth
From: willard robinson <willr@star.net>
Subject: Sony 2000ES dat deck (opinions wanted)
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:51:34 -0400
I have the opportunity to pick this deck up for $900 -
and was wondering if anyone could give me opinons aside
from the tech data on the market posting (and also let me
know if it shows errors)..
tc
Will
www.star.net/People/~willr/dat-list.txt
From: Brian Jurusik <bjurusik@stny.rr.com>
Subject: ISO: 1998 Pearl Jam Shows
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:37:42 -0400
I'm looking for some 1998 Pearl Jam shows. Please e-mail me if you have some.
Brian Jurusik <bjurusik@stny.rr.com>
From: GaoBest@aol.com
Subject: tom ze/tortoise at bimbo's
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:23:45 EDT
hey everyone
i taped the tom ze/tortoise at bimbo's on tuesday, and wondered who else from
the list was taping; i used a D100 and sonics, but am curious to know what
other equipment was used. also what was the name of the support act,
something like Geggy Tah? I forget, but i do recall almost falling asleep a
few times during their performance!
also someone from the list was trying to archive the lot of the 6 shows, alas
i forgot his email addy but he can contact me. i'm off to chicago june 2 to
14 so can take care of open swaps hwen i return, sorry for delays
mike
From: "Alfredo" <md2001@mclink.it>
Subject: Re: PAL conversion
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 06:51:10 +0300
Re: PAL - VHS conversions
Here in europe is possible to buy pal VHS decks that can play (BUT NOT
RECORD) NTSC.
I've two decks of them
I was wondering if in USA are sold NTSC deck that can play PAL
I think is expensive convert PAL>NTSC and viceversa.
So maybe buy a decvk that can play both is a good idea, also because here in
Europe there're a lot of great broadcasts of concerts
Ask to your dealer
(my o.2 cent)
btw- I have extra copy of KENNY WAYNE SHEPERD 10/9/98 Shrevenport (for a
mistake I trade, but I jut got it :-(
(its on MAXELL Hs4/60)
Alfredo
From: "William Tatina" <bmtatina@email.msn.com>
Subject: ISO; Used sbm-1
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:01:58 -0600
Can anyone give me a deal on a used sbm-1? Thanks Bill
From: Bill Gardner <bgardner@ind.cioe.com>
Subject: Apogee V. V2
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:23:00 -0400
rom: Scott Olsen <scott_olsen@yahoo.com>
Subject: Apogee envy
Reply-To: so16@prism.gatech.edu
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:54:00 -0700 (PDT)
>From: "Jeff Frank" <jeff-frank@mediaone.net>
>Subject: Apogee envy (was Tom Kingston?)
>Reply-To: "Jeff Frank" <jeff-frank@mediaone.net>
>Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:37:47 -0500
>>From: "Christopher and Anne Gillespie" <dizziness@interlync.com>
>>Didn't Tom Kingston provide the B&K4011>Lunatec V2>A/D-1000>HHB seeds
>>last fall? I wonder why he is selling his V2... Could
>>there be something better???!?!?!
>The big boys are starting to upgrade to the Apogee AD1000's. Hopefully
>more will so they flood the market and drive down the price since I'm
>going to probably buy one soon.
>Actually this is really wrong ... first off, the pre-amps in the
>Lunatec are WAY better than the ones in to AD1000, so getting rid of it
>is actually a downgrade in your system.
You wouldn't be saying that if you heard the results. ;-)
I have heard just about all of Tom's test tapes. The results are
conclusive. I liked the straight Apogee tapes much better. And I've
been a big proponent of the V2 in the past. However, I've changed my
tune a little bit.
Thanks,
Bill Gardner
From: Joe Galbraith <slipknot@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Gear FS:
Reply-To: slipknot@bellatlantic.net
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 08:19:08 -0400
Subject says it all:
-1 pair AKG 480b w/ ck61 caps. Used twice for a total of 5 hours. As new
$1100.00
-AEA S15 mic stand. Black. Like new. Sells new for $175.00. Will sell
for $140.00/offer
-Photogenic Talon light stand w/ Bogen flanges to adapt for standard mic
T bars. 13 ft - very stable - air cushioned so if a section comes loose
it won't drop trashing your mic set up. New still in box. $135.00
-1 pair AT8410 mic shock mounts. like new, in boxes. $75.00
- Sony D5M ANALOG deck. also like new, Less than 50 hours on the heads.
They are selling new for $699.00 if you can find em. $550.00 includes 1
Eco-charge battery and cable.
e-mail me privatly
From: "Jack R. Lebowitz" <jack@jackleen.com>
Subject: Re: Etymotic headphones
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 08:49:05 -0400
In DAT-Heads Digest #982 on Fri, 28 May 1999
14:05:51, "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com> wrote:
>The Etymotic Earphones (actually $299) are a fantastic tool for
>monitoring sound at the venue, but they must be used properly to
>get results.
>If you "couldn't hear anything" from the Etymotics, more than
>likely, you didn't have enough power from your headphone output.
>It is also possible you didn't have the Etymotics fully inserted in
>your ear canals (which is necessary both to block out external
>sound *and* to achieve proper bass response).
Having used these excellent headphones for several years, more for everyday
listening (they work great at the gym!) than for monitoring live taping, I
agree with Gary's excellent suggestions, particularly that you pretty much
**must** use a outboard headphone amp with Etymotics (as well as most
decent "normal" headphones) to get adequate power for good sound reproduction.
One additional suggestion that should be checked out, and which took me a
while to figure out (with the help of Todd, the sales guy at Headroom), is
that the Etymotics have tiny green filter "cannisters" at the tips of the
working end of each headphone which can become clogged with dirt from your
ear canal. I thought that one channel of my phones was bad; turned out
that the filter was clogged. You can get replacement filters from Etymotic
Research or Headroom. I think a few replacement filters may also come with
the headphones. They're a bit of a pain to put in. You have to have
surgeon-like dexterity and use tweezers or needle-nose pliers, because what
you're working on is so small. Luckily, I haven't had to replace them
again, maybe because I use them with the custom ear-molds which protects
the filters a bit better and have cleaned my ears a few times since (with
that Debrox peroxide stuff you can get at any drugstore).
Lastly, while I'm on my soapbox here, I'd like to say a few words about
Gary's comments about the cost issues with Etymotic Headphones and Headroom
headphone amps. Yeah, they seem expensive, especially when you think that
you can get by with inexpensive headphones or using the internal headphone
jack/amp of the device you're listening to. But once you've tried them,
you'll know that they're well worth the money.
I often wonder about why so many tapers don't flinch at the basic premise
of our hobby that you need at least a $700 DAT deck (or two!) at a bare
minimum just to buy into taping. Many, if not most, tapers feel there's
absolutely nothing out of the ordinary owning (or scoffing at trading any
tapes which aren't made with) a "better than D8" recorder (DA-P1/HHb)
costing $1,200 - $2500 with a "rig" using $2,500 Schoeps/Neumann/B&K
capsule microphones, a $1,500 Lunatec/Sonosax preamp, a $3,000 outboard
Apogee A>D converter, etc. etc... but at the same time think there's
something hugely extravagant about owning a $400 headphone amp to reproduce
the sound taped with that $10,000 rig...and that you're somehow going to be
able to use a puny op-amp on a AA battery-powered "Walkman" to get a good
analog signal to headphones. Just doesn't make sense to me!
I've plugged Headroom products here before (no commercial connection; just
a very satisfied user) and I'll do it again. The Headroom Supreme amp is a
0.5W **CLASS A** amp. (Class A means it's similar in linearity and low
distortion specs to more powerful, extremely expensive pre-amps or amps
used with gazillion dollar high-end audio rigs). Unlike the junky op-amp
on your DAT deck, including home decks and amps, the Headroom Supreme amp
runs on 4 hefty "D" cells and delivers adequate, clean power to headphones.
Used with ear canal headphones like the Etymotics or with good "normal"
headphones like the excellent (and comfortable) Sennheiser HD600s ($350),
this kind of reproduction rig will do your tapes justice.
By the way, one of the other attractive things about this kind of headphone
"rig" is that it is considered by "high-end" audio aficionados (e.g.,
Stereophile magazine reviewers) to offer "reference" quality at a fraction
of the price required by high-end rigs which depend on moving roomfuls of
air with speakers. Both the Headroom Supreme amp and Sennheiser cans I've
mentioned (as well as the Etymotics, I believe) have been on Stereophile's
list of recommended components, most of the others of which, unlike the
headphone stuff, typically have prices in the thousands to **tens of
thousands** of dollars (monoblock amps or speakers costing $10,000 -
$20,000 **per component** aren't atypical in the "high end" audio world).
In other words, in terms of audio "bang for the buck", $300 - $400
headphones and headphone amps shouldn't be viewed as "expensive"...rather,
they're a STEAL!
My 0.03 on this,
J
From: "Christopher and Anne Gillespie" <dizziness@interlync.com>
Subject: ISO: Guy who traded with me...
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 08:10:40 -0500
Some fellow sent me 4 blanks in trade for a couple shows I had extras of. Unfortunately, I don't know who. Please contact me if you know who you are. It's was for 10/31/95 and vernon downs 96 I think.
chris
===================
Chris Gillespie (dizziness@interlync.com)
http://www.curf.edu/~crf_gillesc/
From: Hawker <Hawker@Connriver.net>
Subject: RE: Apogee Envy
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:15:47 -0400
From: "Mike Morris" <michaelmorris@lucent.com>
Reply-To: <michaelmorris@lucent.com>
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:48:37 -0500
>>>>I tried finding one of these A/D-1000's for my rig. I was told they don't
make them anyone. Does any one know for sure?? If true, what else is out
there??<<<<<<
Last I checked Apogee was selling there demo A/D 1000s in the back of Mix and PAR magazine.
AKM discontinued the AK5350 chip a few months ago.. there is probably some NOS still floating around
but it's kinda hard to make the device when the A to D converter is not available anymore.
Since it is a Bruce Jackson design, and he left Apogee with bad feelings they probably won't update it.
If ya'll like Apogee so much I suggest you get inside one of the newer units and find out what it needs inside for DC.
My guess is you could use a 12V battery and a switcher to make the -12V firing it that way.. It probably has 5V and 3.3V regulators
inside to make the 12V 5V/3.3V for the MPU/FPGA etc.
Hawker
From: KAZDEYNA@aol.com
Subject: ISO: Trey shows, have 9:30 Club
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:01:18 EDT
Hey Guys,
I'm looking for some of the Trey Anastastio shows from this May, I have the
5/11/99 9:30 Club Washington D.C. show, if you are interested in this show
and have others from the tour let me know and hopefully we can set up a
trade, thanks! My copy is from Beau Colburn's rig
AKG480/ck63>BeyerMV100>SBM-1>DAP1 and sounds great!
Peace,
Kaz
From: Cjyellow@aol.com
Subject: 2 questions from a newcomer....
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:08:27 EDT
I have 2 questions, and I know the first has been gone over, but I am kinda
technically ignorant, so please help....
1- I just bought a casio da-r100, and I''m using it to record local bands
from a sbd patch....these boards are really hot, I am finding that I need to
set my line in at 3-4 or 5 to keep from clipping... everyone is talking about
atenuator cables...what are they, and how do they work??? I bought a monster
rca>1/8 to use for my input, so do they make thick atenuator cables??? does
the cable guage make that big of a difference??(i know it does to an extent,
but what about thinner atenuator cables vs.monster cable with low levels to
prevent clipping???
2. when recordingin lp, 32 khz with 94m tapes, the time remaining display
shows about 1hr, 53min...shouldn't it be about 180 min, or 3hr??? is it just
going slower, and I am not paying attention (like registering 1 minute for
every actual 2 minutes??)
sorry if these have been discussed before...
thanks!!!
steve
cjyellow@aol.com
From: Graham Newton <gn@audio-restoration.com>
Subject: 80 minute blank cdr discs...
Reply-To: gn@audio-restoration.com
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:37:52 -0400
I realize that this may have been discussed a while back, but can
someone tell me a few places where I can buy reliable 80 minute CDr
recordable discs?
What brands are preferable?
Any idea of the going prices?
Any recomendation of CDr recorders and related software would also be
appreciated.
... Graham Newton
--
Audio Restoration by Graham Newton, http://www.audio-restoration.com
World class professional services applied to phonograph and tape
recordings for consumers and re-releases, featuring CEDAR processes.
From: "Charles M. Quinn" <cmquinn@primenet.com>
Subject: Portable Rig
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:55:58
Here is a neat portable rig, now all you have to do is figure out how to
stealth a snake in.
http://www.goin-mobile.com/gmtruck.htm
Charles
From: Tradedats@aol.com
Subject: Palm App - TradeMan! Version Update
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 16:44:07 EDT
Happy Memorial Day Weekend Everyone,
Just wanted to let you know that I've made some updates to the Palm Pilot
Application "TradeMan!"
Version 1.1 is now available, and is, of course, FREE!
This is a very useful application for everyone who trades tapes, with any
kind of media.
Please let me know how you like it! The URL is:
http://www1.palmpilotgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=520382199905291518
20&prodID=3227
Thanks, and enjoy
Mike
From: Ryan Ellingson <rellings@earthlink.net>
Subject: 5-28-99 Galactic Taping NDP
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:21:35 -0700
Hey All,
I managed to see Galactic last night (House of Blues, 5-28-99),
which happened to be a pretty incredible show. I did not see one mic
stand though and I was wondering if anyone happened to tape it.
Take it easy
Ryan
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Re: Matrix recordings
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 15:27:42 -0700
Actually, I rarely do straight sbd+mic mix recordings (because,
based on the problems I described, I consider it an unsatisfactory
method). Also, I strongly object to using the term "Matrix" to
describe a sbd+aud mix, though I know this is the common term.
A "Matrix" recording is a soundboard tape that's been mixed on the
matrix section of a large soundboard: ie, a mix created (usually)
from the Groups and not the same as the main mix. Nothing to do
with adding a mic & soundboard.
Also, I strongly object to the claim that the small Mackie mixers
have an adequate headphone output. I was using one just a few
days ago, and had exactly the problem I described in my post: the
headphones sounded badly distorted at any usable volume, yet the
tape was clean. Conclusion: the Mackies have plenty of gain but
not enough power (at the headphone output). I believe this is true
up to and including the VLX-1402.
A point of clarification: my preferred taping method today is the
Super Seven Stereo Soundboard, which is a live mix of all
necessary signals from the soundboard, direct to dat. I've come to
believe that the benefits of adding *any* room sound are minor, and
outweighed by the problems and drawbacks, and that all the really
necessary signals (except the audience, which I don't consider
necessary), do come through the soundboard. It's just a matter of
extracting them and mixing them correctly, as the *main* output of
the soundboard is rarely ideal or even suitable for recording.
Mixing the main output of the sbd /w mics in the back of the room,
is just mixing two bad recordings together. Yes, this is better than
either back-of-room or sbd by itself, but given the technical difficulty
and not-so-great results, I would say the *only* advantage of this
type of recording, is the situation where the soundman would give
you a straight patch, but wouldn't let me connect 7-15 wires
required for an SSSS mix. (Sbd+mics at the foot of the stage
works much better, if you can pull it off).
--Gary
From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
Subject: 8X silver/silver discs
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 15:30:35 -0700
I'm running out of no-logo CD-Rs, and most vendors seem to be getting out
of silver/blue or green/gold in their higher-quality lines. A lot of them
are now offering silver/silvers, without divulging their manufacturers,
like the company advertising here:
http://st7.yahoo.com/cd-recordable-dot-com/8xdurhphigpe.html
Last I checked, they were only being made by Mitsui and Ricoh in the U.S.
and Japan (for sale in the U.S., at least), and both of those are very
high-quality discs (that work in all of my equipment, to boot). Of course,
the situation might have changed since then. Some of the cheaper (and
lower-quality) Taiwanese companies may have started making them.
So, to anyone's knowledge, is anyone other than Mitsui and Ricoh making
silver/silver CD-Rs, or are they being made by anyone in Taiwan? (Note that
some people call them "silver/gold" CD-Rs, even though there's nothing gold
about them.)
Thanks,
<> David
From: Dead18@aol.com
Subject: ISO: Phish Maryland tix
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 18:30:47 EDT
Hiya if u have any Maryland ticket extras for sale for phish on the 9th of
July please e-mail me
thanx
-Garyute
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