DAT-Heads Digest #987
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ISO gelinko@aol.com (ANTIMEDIC@aol.com)
6/30 and 7/1 tickets for trade and sale (ANTIMEDIC@aol.com)
Reply to: 8X silver/silver discs (Peter Klausner)
S/PDIF help!! (al young)
Traders Wanted!!! ("Marc Nutter")
Little Feat board taping (Jeff Bowen)
Mtn. Aire Grovel (Josh Feldman)
Extra Dats for Trade (robert rivello)
Sound Cards ("Doug Benroth")
3 Fish Taping Policy (Todd Guite)
Sony D-8 For Sale on eBay~ (TT)
Re: "time aligned mix" - was: Matrix recordings (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
DAT Store Sale continues... ("Gary Davis")
FS:Philips CDR880,best offer! (Gordon Schuck)
FWD:The Future is...NOW! (jeff_goldman@joinme.com)
ISO Ian Hunter UK (brian)
Pugging Into a "Hearing Impaired" Device (Jerry Zigmont)
DA-30 32khz sample rate (Jean-Luc Bruyelle)
Jimmy Herring+Jeff Beck (Dominic Amalfatano)
Questions for L.A. Dat-Heads (Kkc414@aol.com)
RE: cabling distance (Gordon Gidluck)
From: ANTIMEDIC@aol.com
Subject: ISO gelinko@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:54:19 EDT
Can anyone help me find this person?? We were gonna do a trde for FMAC
tickets for PNC tickets. Have U seen this person or can U get a message to
them to get in touch with me?? Thanks for the BW
Peace
Mark
From: ANTIMEDIC@aol.com
Subject: 6/30 and 7/1 tickets for trade and sale
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:02:33 EDT
If at first U don't succede.......
Well here is my last posting so I hope, in my posession I have for 6/30: 4
tickets section 3 row U seat 1-4 and for 7/1: 6 tickets for section 205 row
DD seats 1-6 for sale for face OBO( I had made an honest mistake posting them
earlier as section 105 because I listen to Ticketbasterd and for that I am
sorry) Any of these seat I will trade for a pavilion or trapers ticket to E
Centre through Indiana minus Toronto and will patch anyone in my system( NAk
CM300> Nak MX 100 mixer> SBM-1>Patch.) Thanks again for the BW and I hope
everyone's summer is going well. 29 days and counting!!!!!!!
Peace
Mark
From: Peter Klausner <PeterK@saleslogix.com>
Subject: Reply to: 8X silver/silver discs
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:16:38 -0700
Reply to:
> From: "David D. Rogers" <drogers@pobox.com>
> Subject: 8X silver/silver discs
> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 15:30:35 -0700
> I'm running out of no-logo CD-Rs, and most vendors seem to be getting out
> of silver/blue or green/gold in their higher-quality lines. A lot of them
> are now offering silver/silvers, without divulging their manufacturers,
> like the company advertising here:
> http://st7.yahoo.com/cd-recordable-dot-com/8xdurhphigpe.html
> Last I checked, they were only being made by Mitsui and Ricoh in the U.S.
> and Japan (for sale in the U.S., at least), and both of those are very
> high-quality discs (that work in all of my equipment, to boot). Of course,
> the situation might have changed since then. Some of the cheaper (and
> lower-quality) Taiwanese companies may have started making them.
> So, to anyone's knowledge, is anyone other than Mitsui and Ricoh making
> silver/silver CD-Rs, or are they being made by anyone in Taiwan? (Note
that
> some people call them "silver/gold" CD-Rs, even though there's nothing
gold
> about them.)
> Thanks,
> David
If you're talking 8X, you're probably looking at Advanced Pthalocyanine
disks. Pthalocyanine is nearly clear so the reflective layer (silver or
gold) will show through. I believe Ricoh Platinum, Mitsui Toatsu, and Taiyo
Yuden use Advanced Pthalocyanine dye.
Man, We're going to need a CD-Heads list soon.
From: al young <sugarcrafty@juno.com>
Subject: S/PDIF help!!
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:18:30 -0700
hey folks,
I just purchased a SEK'D Prodif 24 digital soundcard. The S/PDIF digital
input is a 1/4" on the card. I currently use a RCA > RCA (75 ohm
coaxial) cable to do my DAT clones. I want to use this cable to do my
DAT > PC transfer so obviously I will need an RCA > 1/4" adapter. Two
questions:
a)Will I need to get a "stereo" or "mono" adapter?
b)Are there quality differences in the adapter I get? The only place I
seem to be able to locate one locally is at radio shack. I've tried
Musicians Friend, Guitar Center and American Music and they don't seem to
have such an adapter.
I've been getting mixed answers as to whether I'd need a stereo or mono
adapter. Please help!!
thanks
al
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From: "Marc Nutter" <sncsns@henge.com>
Subject: Traders Wanted!!!
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:50:06 -0600
HI All,
Here's hoping everyone had a fun 3-day weekend and had the opportunity
to catch some great tunes. Here at Sonic Sense, we have kept the decks
rolling in order to catch up with tape trades and get our "Equipment
Comparison Page," http://www.henge.com/~sncsns/eqpcmptp.html and
"On Tour Page," http://www.henge.com/~sncsns/ontour.html back on track.
>From here forward we will have a featured Tape of the Month.
We will pick one of our favorite audience recordings each month and post it
for everyone to enjoy.
This month we are starting with a double header:
String Cheese Incident--Mishawaka Amphitheater. Ft. Collins, CO 7/25/99
and
Grateful Dead Riverport Amphitheatre, St. Louis, MO 7/6/95
We will continue having all the shows that we record listed on the "On Tour"
page along with liner notes indicating what equipment was used.
Additionally, we will continue making the Equipment Comparison Tapes
featuring the latest in popular microphones including the SCHOEPS m222/4v
tube mics and Earthworks as well as pre-amps including the Lunatec V2,
Apogee, Sonosax and other top-quality equipment.
To keep these pages going successfully, we are looking for people who are
interested in being listed on our site as a contact person. We will provide
a complimentary copy of the show and only request that you promptly trade as
you are contacted. Please see http://www.henge.com/~sncsns/treepage.html
for details.
We look forward to helping you with all of your recording needs.
Marc & Mojan
Marc Nutter
Mojan Parker
Sonic Sense
P.O. Box 61141
Denver, CO 80206
(303) 698-1296
http://www.henge.com/~sncsns
From: Jeff Bowen <jbowen@slonet.org>
Subject: Little Feat board taping
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:14:35 -0700 (PDT)
Greetings all,
Snuck my DA-P1 into the Avila Beach Blues Festival and taped Little Feat
through the board on Sunday. Sorry, no time for trades now.
Just thought I'd relay some information for others taping the Feat this
tour:
Jerry Manuel is their sound man. Super nice guy. Plays a wicked air guitar
too. ;) Currently they do Not have their patch bay running. I asked Jerry
about it and he said the one they ordered was damaged in shipping so he
sent it back. He is running his SV-255 off the board. There is another
person with the band who is using a mini disc that is patched out of the
SV-255. Luckily the venue soundman is a friend of mine and found me an
unused set of 1/4 inch unballanced outputs so I was able to have my DA-P1
1st out. Thanks Bill!
I don't know when the patch bay will be in use but for now anyone who
wants to tape through the board has to go through the mini disc's output.
They run two of them and do a quick 'hot swap' at 70 minutes.
You will still have to sneak equipment in to the venue. They have been
playing one long set. It has been 2:15 minutes but Sunday's show was less
than 2 hrs including the encore.
Jeff
From: Josh Feldman <pheldman@ucla.edu>
Subject: Mtn. Aire Grovel
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:16:04 -0700
Hi dat heads--
I'm finally coming to after a long weekend in the mountains and figured I'd give
this groveling thing a try and see if anyone who taped mtn. aire this weekend
(particularly KVHW, Phil & Friends, Galactic (both shows), Ben Harper (I think
taping was allowed)) could help me with b&p.
many thanks!
Josh
From: robert rivello <stjohns4u@yahoo.com>
Subject: Extra Dats for Trade
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:52:03 -0700 (PDT)
Extra copies of shows all are on Sony dpg 90 or 60
dead
4-9-75 lom late show
10-2-77 set II
5-4-81
5-11-81
9-12-82
9-7-85
5-31-92 S:D the finest recording I have ever heard,
phish
8-2-97
4-5-98
Jmp
8-7-98
I am looking for Dead 77-90, Phish 98, MMW, JGB
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From: "Doug Benroth" <blazzze@mindspring.com>
Subject: Sound Cards
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:21:05 -0700
Hello All! Just a note about the MAXI STUDIO ISIS by Gulliemot.
I have had it for about 2 months now & it works great! Optic & RCA
digital I/O's 4-1/4" out's & 8 1/4's analog in's. Comes with great
software,
and works well with Sound Forge,Cakewalk. I have used my DAT, Mini-Disc
And burned several CD's from my Memorex CRW 1622. Also MP 3's straight
from my computer to DAT !!!! Great bargain for under $300. I have waited
along time to have a fully functional studio and Thanks to Alex's ...."DAT
DAT
World" home page he gave me allot of great research to compare. You can
check out some live digital recording I have done with Mini-Disc converted
to
MP3's on my home page !!
www.benroth-entertainment.com
Douglas "Blazze" Benroth
From: Todd Guite <direwolf@maine.rr.com>
Subject: 3 Fish Taping Policy
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:42:12 -0400
Anyone have any info on the current taping policy for the recent 3 fish
tour?Thanks for any help.Todd
From: TT <TT@Mediahound.net>
Subject: Sony D-8 For Sale on eBay~
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:56:48 -0700
I have a Sony D-8 for sale on eBay at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=112306253
And an Optical Cable [POC-DA12] at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=112301257
Thanks
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Re: "time aligned mix" - was: Matrix recordings
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:21:35 -0700
Thanks Stan - I found your recording experiences quite useful and informative.
I have a comment in regards to A)mixing "foot of stage" mics with SBD or
B)mixing mics 20-40 feet back with SBD. I switched from B to A a while back.
Don't get me wrong, I still prefer to keep things simple and go for the straight
AUD tapes (or straight on stage spread omnis). Adding the SBD into a live
stereo recording makes you dependent on the soundman and his (or her in the case
of zony mash the last time I saw them:-) settings, and a lot more equipment -
theres more things to go wrong(or not necessarily go wrong but just not be/sound
right). Not to mention you're now going through a mackie or whatever and not a
lunatec....but anyways...
"I don't see that the "foot of stage" technique offers any real advantages,
other than not
requiring a delay unit and overall convenience/fewer wires. I haven't done much
of this
particular type of recording though, as I prefer the results from the "SBD+" or
time aligned
methods. . . And I'd still rather listen to a good audience tape than a straight
SBD. ;) Maybe
I'll try it for the "xxxx xxxxxxx" (deleted to prevent groveling) show tonight,
if the band will
allow. I do have several acoustic music shows that I taped using a 4 ch SBD
feed with a front of
stage AT-822 stereo mic that did come out well, before I got my delay, so maybe
there is something
to this?"
I'll assume that you are using cards, hypercards or some other directional mic
from 20-40 feet back. An advantage of on stage mics is that ideally you're
using omni's. Given the proper circumstances to use them, I feel
omnidirectional mics offer the fullest, most natural and pleasing sound. On
stage omnis mixed with SBD is one of those circumstances. Omnis spread on stage
will give a much better soundstage and 3 dimensional imaging (hence the name
omnidirectional)than from 20-40 feet back with directional mics mostly picking
up the stacks will. You're closer to the direct sound sources themselves.
Another nice thing about omnis spread on stage is that all you need is 2 mic
clamps and possibly a small foldable photo tripod (which fits into a backpack).
You can generally find places on stage (keyboard leg, stand, etc)which are out
of the bands way (and still in a good location for your purposes), to clamp to.
The small photo tripod comes in handy if you can only find one place to clamp
to. One disadvantage is that depending on where you place them, you may not
have as much "audience ambience" as you like. Another is that placement is more
crucial with the onstage omni mics since you want to get a good balance to
compliment the SBD (further back you're getting mostly an equal balance of
everything so placement isn't as crucial).....Pete (personally I'd like to
experiment with mixing just 4 or 6 mics (start out with 4 but then probably
realize I need more)on stage but I don't own that many...unless you count the
radio shacks which would probably choke at the high on stage SPLs...oh yeah I
gave those to my bro:-)
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: DAT Store Sale continues...
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:49:11 -0700
Apologize for making another post on this... but just to let everyone
know... you are welcome to E-mail me for info on availability and
prices instead of phoning the store. You can also order directly by
email, so there's no need to phone the store at all.
If you missed the list posted on Monday, just ask...tons of CD
Recorders, DATs & MDs (home, portable, & pro), Sony ES Stereo,
digital cameras, DVD, headphones, etc, all new units and demos,
all on sale at the lowest prices we've ever offered.
thank you,
--Gary gdavis@loop.com
From: Gordon Schuck <daedalus@cmn.net>
Subject: FS:Philips CDR880,best offer!
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:08:48 -0600
Looking to get a SCMS-free machine, make me an offer. This is a
swap-trickable version.
Gordon Schuck
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Subject: FWD:The Future is...NOW!
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:13:23
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From: brian <misterb@hilarious.com>
Subject: ISO Ian Hunter UK
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:58:09 +0100
Anybody catch Ian on his recent UK swing?
lots to trade...
cheers,
brian
From: Jerry Zigmont <zigmont@mindspring.com>
Subject: Pugging Into a "Hearing Impaired" Device
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 05:47:53 -0400
Now Hey,
Can anyone post what adapters (mini plugs?) are needed to plug into a
"hearing impaired " device available at theaters??
Is this generally acceptable fidelity or is it better to get an audience
recording. The applicatioin would be a live, musical theater, stage
performance.
Kind response appreciated.
Zig
"The good artists copy, the great ones steal."
Pablo Picasso
From: Jean-Luc Bruyelle <jl_bruyelle@compuserve.com>
Subject: DA-30 32khz sample rate
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:04:28 -0400
Dave Smith wrote :
>> I wanted to know if there were any Tascam DA-30 users out there who have
>> recorded using AES/EBU. When I recorded a live show last month, the
display
>> window said 32Khz. When I play the DAT, it also says 32Khz. Is that
normal?
>> I had the deck set at AES/EBU digital in, 44.1Khz, and used a shielded
XLR
>> cable.
Your friend's recorder works perfectly well. Only thing is, with a digital
input you cannot choose the sampling frequency (the switch is useful only
with analogue inputs). In the present case, the external analog/digital
converter was sampling at 32 kHz, and your DA-30 could only use the
sampling frequency of the signal it received via its AES/EBU input (it does
not convert the sampling freq, which would be useless anyway since it would
not improve the sound quality).
>> I know it's a newbie thing, but if you could
>> help me out I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
What's wrong with newbie things ? Everyone has to learn, and this is a good
place for it..
Hope this helps,
Jean-Luc.
From: stagestruck1@webtv.net (Dominic Amalfatano)
Subject: Jimmy Herring+Jeff Beck
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:11:00 -0700 (PDT)
Hey all just groveling for any JID,ARU or just about anything Jimmy
Herring related and would like more Jeff Beck too
Peace Dom
From: Kkc414@aol.com
Subject: Questions for L.A. Dat-Heads
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:06:09 EDT
Hello,
I'll be flying out for one of the Tom Waits shows at the Wiltern Theatre. I
would appreciate it if some of the LA Dat-Heads would email me, as I have a
few questions about LA.
Thanks,
Kevin
From: Gordon Gidluck <ggidluck@artelco.com>
Subject: RE: cabling distance
Reply-To: ggidluck@artelco.com
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:04:29 -0700
> From: "Matt Garretson" <garrem@alum.rpi.edu>
> Subject: cabling distance (was Re: Soundcard inquiry)
> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:50:33 -0400
>
> Hello, i am considering either a ZA2 or a DATport but have a silly
> obstacle which i'm wondering about: my DAT deck and my computer
> are in different rooms! They are about 40-50 feet apart "as the
> cable runs", and i'm afraid that this exceeds the various max
> distances of coax, optical, or even coax + USB.
>
> My DAT deck is a DA-20, which unfortunately doesn't support balanced
> XLR connections (AFAIK).
>
> Do i have to bite the bullet and reorganize my apartment, or is
> this cabling distance somehow workable? Do all you PC/DAT'ers
> have their DAT/audio decks next their computers?
>
> Thanks,
> -Matt
I remember a person a good while back who wanted to run his cable
downstairs. I think he emailed me stating that he successfully ran
S/PDIF coax about 100 feet. If you go that distance use real 75-ohm coax
cable and solder RCA's onto each end.
FYI, I don't think you would have to worry about USB. We run 300ft
serial cables (non USB) at work all the time. It's not uncommon. Low
capacitance cable will allow you to go longer distances.
But, if you're going room to room, I would think that a coax cable of
the appropriate length will do it.
Gordon
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