DAT-Heads Digest #97
Contents:
Re: Sonic Studios, Core Sounds, and D7/8 modifications (Len Moskowitz)
Re: Series of questions (Len Moskowitz)
Digi-Noise -- Argghhh! (John A Procopio)
Phish 7/21/96 Nurnberg show needed (Thomas Storch)
Re: D8 to -2600 (Len Moskowitz)
I'd like to use 60m, but.... (Brandy Grace)
APP DAT out of phase (John Westien)
Re: Cassette Deck /w Real Time Counter (Tim Buller)
Cheapest DA-P1s ? (John A Procopio)
8/8-10/96 BT Tree (JazzTaper@aol.com)
12-31-96,Phish needed" (duncan@epix.net)
Rush Tickets (Michael Coran)
Multi cassette changer, and double cassette deck for sale (Brian Dowling)
WTB: Used Sony ECM Mic (Max Almerico)
Re: Jitter reduction unit & D/A converter (Man on the Edge)
ISO: 30th and 31st TAPERS SECTION TICKETS (PHISH)---Desperate (BirdSongII@aol.com)
Nak 300 cardiod cps (CreekFreek@aol.com)
Looking for used/new AKG (Boook@aol.com)
ABB Red Rocks Tree ... structure posted (Midnight Rider)
ATTN: CABLE MAKERS (Mike Walsh)
TRIBUTE TREE STRUCTURE ("Chris Olson")
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Sonic Studios, Core Sounds, and D7/8 modifications
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 13:35:10 -0500 (EST)
Brian Dowling <bri@paonline.com> wrote:
> I personally ran into a few problems with these microphones due to
> their construction. I have also found a few other tapers that own
> these microphones to have similiar problems. The source is usually the
> straight end mini XLR connection. Symptoms usually include one channel
> drop outs or uneven channel levels, or high db popping noises. Some of
> this may be prevented by using a right angle plug instead of the
> straight end connector. ... Retrospectively, the problems with my
> CoreSounds tended to be more from user wear then from manufacturer
> error.
I assume that you mean the 1/8" stereo mini phone plug rather than the
mini-XLR. We would gladly use a right angle 1/8" plug if we could find
a professional quality plug that was repairable. We've scoured the
world looking for one -- haven't found one yet. When a right angle
connector is needed we recommend a right angle adapter -- Radio Shack
makes a decent one for under $5. Perhaps we should offer the adapter as
an option, the way the folks at Headroom do.
> One last point. One downfall to both of these microphones for stealth
> taping is the amount of crowd noise that can possibly be picked up
> even with placement up on top of a hat. I understand both of these
> microphones are omnidirectional which may be the source of this
> problem. I am interested in someone telling me someway of keeping this
> to a minimal. I heard hypercardiods may be the solution. is this
> correct?
We recently introduced our Stealth Cardioid mics. They do a good job of
reducing crowd noise. See our Web site for details or contact us.
We've also continuously upgraded the ruggedness of our mics and also
offer a few different mounting options -- more are on the way.
Thanks for your kind and honest words.
Len Moskowitz
Core Sound WWW site: http://www.panix.com/~moskowit
moskowit@panix.com
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Series of questions
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 13:49:18 -0500 (EST)
[Sorry for posting so much today -- catching up on mail... -- LM]
Jeff Pany <jmp@u.arizona.edu> wrote:
> 3. Finally, when I record, I always use the line-in. However, often times
> I find that I am not able to set my levels high enough to peak around -2 to
> 0. Is there anything I can buy to amp this digitally? In general what can
> I do to improve my recordings, w/o purchasing new mics?
We recommend that you try the line inputs. If you can get a good level,
use them. If you can't, then switch to the mic input on low sensitivity.
Len Moskowitz
Core Sound WWW site: http://www.panix.com/~moskowit
moskowit@panix.com
From: noschwag@juno.com (John A Procopio)
Subject: Digi-Noise -- Argghhh!
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 13:53:53 PST
Hello all. Well, I'm having some probs with my DA-20. I seem to
remember
a few digests ago Dan Estrin mentioning that everytime he played a tape
in
his DA-20 (?) he got digi-noise. Well, I am now experiencing the same
problem.
The tape will play flawlessly in my D8 but is riddled with noise in the
Tascam.
This happens with _every_ tape :(
Any help and/or suggestions to resolve this problem is welcome at
Noschwag@juno.com. Dan -- ever fix your prob??
John
From: Thomas Storch <100545.3404@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Phish 7/21/96 Nurnberg show needed
Date: 08 Dec 96 14:29:30 EST
I'm looking for a clean DAT of the complete Phish show at the Forum in Nurnberg,
Germany, 7/21/96.
I have about 2000 hrs. of digital to offer in trade, including some Phish, a lot
of GDead, and many other choice pickings.
drop me a line at 100545.3404@compuserve.com
thanks -
Thomas Storch
"all the leaves combine,
they melt into a tree..."
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: D8 to -2600
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 14:58:35 -0500 (EST)
Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com> wrote:
> >We offer a low cost cable that goes from 7-pin to XLR. See our Web site
> >for details or drop me a note.
>
> However, it doesn't convert the signal to AES/EBU bit patterns. (The
> difference is the treatment of SCMS by the 2x00.)
We have reports that the -2600 will accept the D8's start IDs via our
7-pin-to-XLR cable. So the -2600 treats the data stream as S/PDIF, not
AES/EBU despite coming in via the XLR.
Len Moskowitz
Core Sound WWW site: http://www.panix.com/~moskowit
moskowit@panix.com
From: Brandy Grace <bgrace@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Subject: I'd like to use 60m, but....
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 96 12:21:38 -0800
>I had a discussion with Jim at Hi-Fi sales Friday, and he ran off several
>reasons not to use 90m tapes including: shorter shelf life, shorter life
>of you
>DAT, higher temperature generated. For more detailed info I suggest you
>call
>him.
>
>Ken
So, what's a 60m trader to do... I'd like to do best by my
collection/deck, but what can I do when it seems that everyone else
offers only 90m's???
Do you just send along two 60m's instead of a single 90m??
If so, how does the added cost add up in the long run??
Fill me in!!
-Brandy
From: John Westien <jwestien@xmission.com>
Subject: APP DAT out of phase
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 13:34:02 +0000
Hello all,
I'm going to hold off on trading for the Salt Lake City
Alan Parsons tape since it was recorded out of phase. When
I'm able to get this fixed, I'll offer it out for trades.
Sorry!
Does anyone have any advice on how to fix a tape that
has one channel out of phase?
Thanks much,
John Westien
___________________________________________________________
Home Page: http://www.xmission.com/~jwestien
Music List: http://www.xmission.com/~jwestien/music.html
From: Tim Buller <buller@math.ukans.edu>
Subject: Re: Cassette Deck /w Real Time Counter
Reply-To: Tim Buller <buller@math.ukans.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 15:14:02 -0600 (CST)
"Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com> wrote in DAT-heads Digest #94:
> Teac makes some low-cost 3-head models with this feature, but the best
> I've seen is a JVC deck that's being closed out by J&R for about $179,
> it's real-time counters work even in fast forward and rewind!
J&R is also closing out the JVC TD-V661 for $199; a three-head deck with
real-time counters that also work in FF and RW. It seems to me a pretty
solid machine, though they sure would have done better sticking with the
display on the old TD-V66, which I think has the best meters and counter
layout of any 3-head I've seen. The functionality remains on the V661, but
you have to press a button to switch between the counter and the peak
level LED (the number display, the bars are always there). It does have
adjustable bias controls, which is a plus, but a silly mechanical door,
which is a minus, IMO.
Tim
====
Tim Buller buller@math.ukans.edu
Math Department Systems Manager Snow Hall 643
University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS 66045 913-864-7311
From: noschwag@juno.com (John A Procopio)
Subject: Cheapest DA-P1s ?
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 16:59:41 PST
Hey. Now that it looks as if my DA-20 is down (frown) now it seems as if
it's a good time to purchase that 3rd deck. Who has the lowest price on
the DA-P1s these days? Thanks in advance.
Oh, also with the DA-20, not only does it read digi-noise on every tape
--
on some it has no levels whatsoever! Holding down FF and PLAY at the
same time prove that there is still music on the DAT it's just not
audible
when hitting play alone. Any ideas on what kind of damage I'm looking at
here?
John
From: JazzTaper@aol.com
Subject: 8/8-10/96 BT Tree
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 17:39:35 -0500
anybody have the structure? I missed it.
thanks-
Chris
From: duncan@epix.net
Subject: 12-31-96,Phish needed"
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 18:26:45 -0500 (EST)
Hello,I know this is along shot,but we are in need of tickets
2 would be nice" ,don,t care where they are,all we need to do is get
inside,and everything else will fall in place:} ,We are in for the two
philly shows and have tapers for the 12-30-96 show,but got shut out
for newyears",We can offer all the shows,on DAT,plus maybe some kind"
plus face value,or alittle more",don,t want to get raped on a ticket
but hopefully we,ll make it worth while,we are running two set ups
Microtec Gefells 210s>beyer>DA-P1,Schoeps>sonasax>pro-d10,if anyone
can help us out,please e-mail privatley,plus we can offer a patch to
anyone,who helps out" or even if you don,t we will do our best
to help anyone",once we are inside"
Thanks for the Space,sorry for the Grovel,and non -dat content
duncan@epix.net
From: Michael Coran <MCORAN@ix20.ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Rush Tickets
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 15:36:41 -0800
I have a pair of Rush tickets for sale, face value of course. They are for
Saturday, December 14th, Nassau Coliseum - New York, Row 47 of section A on
the floor. $96/pair. If interested, send me an E-mail. Would have to meet
either in Central Jersey or Midtown Manhatten before next weekend.
Mike
From: Brian Dowling <bri@paonline.com>
Subject: Multi cassette changer, and double cassette deck for sale
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 18:21:57 -0500
In my pursuit for funds for a new DAT deck. I am selling 2 cassette decks
that I have used previously. Both decks are in good condition and I have no
problems with either deck. I currently own four tape decks and am
consolidating my equipment.
For Sale:
1. Pioneer CT-WM62R multi-cassette changer.
This a multi-cassette dubbing deck intended for multi-cassette recording or
playback. This deck can hold up to 6 cassettes at one time, plus has a
single well playback deck. It has approximately 200 hours on it and
functions beautifully. I purchased it in December 1993 for $375. I am
selling it for $200
Here are some specifications:
System: 4 track, 2 channel stereo.
Heads: "Hard Permalloy" recording/playback head X1
"Hard Permalloy" playback X1
"Ferrite" erasing head X1
Motors: DC servo motor (capstan) X2
DC motor (open/close,loading)X2
WOW and flutter: No more than 0.09% (WRMS)
Frequency response: Type II (high/CrO2) tape 20 to 18,000khz +/- 6 db
Signal to noise ratio:
Dolby NR off- More than 58db
Dolby B ON- More than 10 db (at 5 khz)
Dolby C ON- More tahn 19 db (at 5 khz)
Harmonic distortion: No more than 0.8% (-4db)
Subfunctions:
Dolby NR B/C types
Dolby HX PRO
Dolby NR memory
High speed and normal tape speed copying
Synchronized copy start
Blank skip
Music search over +/- 15 selections
CD-Deck Synchro recording capability
Tape counter/time counter
Tape remaining time indicators
Auto reverse
Timer Relay recording/timer playback
System remote control capability
All rewind
Cassette random playback
Cassette scan playback
2.Pioneer CT-W503R stereo double cassette deck
This is a stereo dubbing cassette deck that I purchased December of 1995. It
is a convenient dubbing deck and runs great. It has approxomately 100 hours
on it, and it is in great condition. I bought it for $230 and I am asking $150.
Some specifications:
System: 4 track, 2 channel stereo
Heads: "Hard Parmalloy" recording/playback deck X1
"Head Permalloy" playback head X1
"Ferrite" erasing head X1
Motor: DC servo motor X2
Wow and Flutter: ).1% (WRMS)
Frequency response: Type II (High.CrO2) tape: 20 to 16,000khz
Signal to noise ratio: Dolby NR off: more than 57db
Noise reduction effect: Dolby B on- more than 10db (at 5khz)
Dolby C on- more than 19db (at 5khz)
Harmonic distortion No more than 0.8% (at -4db)
Subfunctions:
Autoreverse
Doby HX PRO recording function
Dolby B/C type NR
Music search over +/- 15 selections
Synchronized copy start
High speed and normal copy speed
Relay playback/blank skip
CD-Deck SYNCHRO recording capability
Peak level meter with peak hold function
2 mode electronic 4 digit twin tape counter
All prices are negotiable. I would really like to get a new DAT player early
this next year and buy selling these would most definitely help to achieve
my goal. Serious replies can personally email me at <bri@paonline.com>
Thanks for the extra bandwidth, and I apologize for the lack of DAT content.
Sincerely,
Brian Dowling
From: Max Almerico <JOYALM1@aol.com>
Subject: WTB: Used Sony ECM Mic
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 18:29:43 -0600 (CST)
Hello- Having just invested in a Sony pro recorder, I'm in the market
for one of the sony ecm mics for recording. I'm a little low on
cash, so obviously something used and in good condition would
be at the top of my list. Any offers appreciated.
Thanks for the b/w,
Max Almerico
From: Man on the Edge <davros@cyclone.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Re: Jitter reduction unit & D/A converter
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 17:23:56 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ken Sorce <ken@netdoor.com>
> Subject: Jitter reduction unit & D/A converter
> Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 09:45:52 -0800
>
> >My system consists of...Jitter reduction unit, D/A converter...
>
> Humbly new but learning fast :), could somebody explain to me about the above
> mentioned Jitter Reduction Unit? Primarily about what they do and est price range?
If this is not already in the FAQ, it should definitely be there.
"Jitter" refers to timing errors at the output of a D/A. As the D/A
converts the discrete time signal to continuous time, these timing
errors can cause audible distortion in the continuous time signal. A
jitter reduction unit tries to reduce these timing errors. Sorry, I
don't know how much they cost.
> Also, and don't mean to sound stupid here, if I used the analog output to go to my
> preamps in, then the DAT's D/A converter is used at whatever *quality* that is.
> Does the author of the above imply that a standalone D/A convert of obvious more
> cost/quality would improve sound quality. If so, would that D/A converter be fed by
> the digital out from the DAT and then go to my preamps input?
Yes, the author implied that his outboard D/A converter is better than
the internal D/A converter on his DAT. And yes, this outboard DAC
would be fed by the digital out from the DAT.
Max :)
--
But now it seems
I'm just a stranger to myself
And all the things I sometimes do,
It isn't me but someone else.
Adrian Smith, 1986
From: BirdSongII@aol.com
Subject: ISO: 30th and 31st TAPERS SECTION TICKETS (PHISH)---Desperate
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 20:56:14 -0500
I got rejected for 3 of my 4 mail orders, despite sending them at 7:30 the
1st day. I got 1 ticket....front row on pages side for the 29th. However I
cant go to that show. I NEED tickets for the 30, and 31st. 1 tapers section
for each night, and 1 seat anywhere for each night. I am extremely
desperate. PLEASE email me if you have any info at all. I dont need all the
tickets from 1 person, but I would like to get them ASAP so please EMAIL ME!
"There is not a sentence in the world that could respectfully do justice to
the life and music of Jerry Garcia"
Branford Marsalis
From: CreekFreek@aol.com
Subject: Nak 300 cardiod cps
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 21:28:44 -0500
I am looking for the cardiod cpsules for the Nak 300's. I have the CP-4
Shotguns but would like to get the cardiod caps for small club taping.
Anyone have any ideas where I could get them
Thanks
From: Boook@aol.com
Subject: Looking for used/new AKG
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 21:54:42 -0500
I'm looking to find someone who wants to sell their AKg 391 or 450.
Or if I can find the right price for a new pair. Email me directlty.
Boook@aol.com
From: richl@dfw.net (Midnight Rider)
Subject: ABB Red Rocks Tree ... structure posted
Reply-To: richl@dfw.net
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 04:21:35 GMT
Sorry about the delays, folks, but we're now ready to go!
The structure has been set up on my web site:
http://www.dfw.net/~richl
There are separate structure pages for DAT & analog, along with a
setlist/side breaks page.
If your ISP connection cannot access web pages, email me and I'll
email you the (lengthy) structure privately.
Rich
richl@dfw.net
http://www.dfw.net/~richl
"everybody knows this is nowhere" ... Neil Young
From: Mike Walsh <mdw142@psu.edu>
Subject: ATTN: CABLE MAKERS
Reply-To: mdw142@psu.edu
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 00:58:21 -0500
hi all,
i'm looking to buy a cable that'll hook up the DIGI-OUT of
my PC's CD-ROM to a DAT machine. it is a 2 pin connection,
that looks totally small and impotent, ;) the drive is a
6X Creative SB.
i believe the connection is a direct coax type, and that
with this connection i can digitally clone a cd.
any help out there? thanx, -mdw
From: "Chris Olson" <chriolso@interl.net>
Subject: TRIBUTE TREE STRUCTURE
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 23:23:30 +0000
Here it is folks ... the long awaited Tribute Tree structure. The
annoucement is at the bottom in case you have forgotten the details on the
tree. The upper branches should all have their seed so this should move
pretty quickly now. Let me know of any problems. The tree is pretty
staright forward with your parent being up and to the left of you. For
instance 2.11's & 2.12's parent is 2.1 whose parent is 2. I hope you all
enjoy the tapes and I apologize for the delay in getting this to you.
Peace,
Chris
1 forbath@ncri.com (Theo Forbath)
1.1 fcatballew@city-net.com (Fred Ballew)
1.11 BigBeat@aol.com
1.12 Bonnie Harris <Bonnie_Harris@cch.com>
1.2 XUQV46A@prodigy.com ( JOSEPH J SAMARITANO)
1.21 Christopher Perry <perryc@battelle.org>
1.22 "Dave Morrison" <dmorrison@mfi.com>
1.3 Brandy Grace <bgrace@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
1.31 ebrooks@smud.org (Edward Brooksbank)
1.32 E.W.Schoneveld@caiw.nl (Eric Schoneveld)
2 reason29@nfi.com (Brian P. Reasoner)
2.1 CarneyP@aol.com
2.11 Chris Van Tuin <vantuin@cadev6.intel.com>
2.12 Delrina2@worldnet.att.net
2.2 Chris Paul <ChrisPaul@nick.worldtalk.com>
2.21 "Hardin, Terry" <hardin@wg.com>
2.22 Janet Margaret Powell <jmpowell@facstaff.wisc.edu>
2.3 Chris Wallace <reba@walrus.com>
2.31 JazzTaper@aol.com
2.32 Joanne Petersen <joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>
3 Dick Elliott <elliott@eniac.seas.upenn.edu>
3.1 Clendennen@aol.com
3.11 johnl@wimpy.ceco.com (John Laitar)
3.12 "John Lockney! (bs cmsc)" <jlockn1@gl.umbc.edu>
3.2 JBaad@aol.com
3.21 Kaya Hoffmann <kayah@corbis.com>
3.22 "Kevin S. Clarke" <clark@ruby.ils.unc.edu>
3.3 Jon Weinstein <71264.1270@CompuServe.COM>
3.31 "Kevin S. Clarke" <clark@ruby.ils.unc.edu>
3.32 louw@netcom.com (Lou Wilkinson)
4 Gregory D Glass <leg@selway.umt.edu>
4.1 KETCHAM JOHN PATRICK <ketchamj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
4.11 mnovak@herbie.unl.edu (MICHAEL NOVAK)
4.12 myko@cybernet.it (Mike Hall)
4.2 noah@inetnebr.com
4.21 MiketheDJ@aol.com
4.22 Miner Gleason <starwolf@ipass.net>
4.3 PST <pthomson@spiretech.com>
4.31 seastone@ja2.so-net.or.jp (murata)
4.32 Peter DeBella <calkind@ix.netcom.com>
5 danb@woodward.ucr.edu (Dan Borchardt)
5.1 Robert Fischer <rfischer@voicenet.com>
5.11 "Peter J. Hicks" <pjh5970@is3.nyu.edu>
5.12 "Robert M. Hardin" <direwolf@psnw.com>
5.2 Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
5.21 Rod Nayfield <rod@IConNet.NET>
5.22 seelos@bc.edu
5.3 kluko@cybergate.com (Tim Parichan)
5.31 Stephan Dobay <sdobay@arthur.umd.edu>
5.32 Horton@gnn.com (Toby Rockwell)
****JERRY TRIBUTE TREE ANNOUNCEMENT ****
Well, here is the first and only posting for the Jerry Tribute Tree. The
seeds for this tree were provided by some very kind people and a warm
thanks goes out to them. The seeds come from the Jerry Tribute Weekend in
Oregon and consist of:
Zero 8-3-96 DAUD Conde's Lumber Harrisburg Oregon (Jerry Tribute)
Radio Shack Mics-Electret Unidirectional Condensor Microphone (in
hat)>D7.
Merl Saunders and the Rainforest Band 8-4-96 Also Conde's Lumber in
Harrisburg Oregon DSB(Jerry Tribute weekend also)
Both tapes are on 90m and as such this will be a 90m only tree to keep it
moving fast. On a personal note, I highly recommend these tapes. They
contain some beautiful music that let's us know that even in Jerry's
abscence ... the Spirit still survives.
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