DAT-Heads Digest #266
Contents:
another dtc-790 scms question (Seeley Scott)
mics? core/sonic/marcsound? (Barabbas)
Beyer sold ("Daniel E. Estrin")
Morphine @ Double Door (Tim McGinnis)
re:defeating scms (daniel kessler)
Tape begging (daniel kessler)
Re: Shure SM-81 (Mike Lieman)
ISO: 3-18-88 my first DEAD show (Bill Shaw)
CD making ("Adam Gross")
Wharf Rats ("Joe McCabe, Energy Ideas")
D-5 and Otari DTR-8 (willard robinson)
Re: D-5 and Otari DTR-8 (Seth Breidbart)
Audio Grade Tapes (Haney Jones)
ATT: Allan Holdswrth fans (MuTToN)
Scared to buy blanks! (Dean Lipoff)
DA-P1 Mic overload? (Tom Ott)
venue table? (Bayard)
Announcing the 2/21/97 Joe Gallant & Illuminati Digital Tree (Haney Jones)
Directional Stealth Mics? (Barabbas)
DAT-Heads news group... (Barabbas)
Newbie needs tapes... (Barabbas)
From: Seeley Scott <Seeley_Scott@ems.prc.com>
Subject: another dtc-790 scms question
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:05:44 -0500
I recently tried to clone from a da-20 to a sony dtc790 (I had to use
the
Sony since it has coax in but not out) and the wierdest thing
happened. I was trying to clone a new show onto a tape that already had
another show on it (the second show sucked, so I wanted to
recycle the tape), and the sony refused to do it. The write-protect tab
wasn't in the way. So I assumed the source tape was scms-protected.
Just for the hell of it, I then erased the target tape by re-recording
it with a dead signal coming in through the sony's *analog* ins (not
technically erasing, just recording blank analog sound over the show).
Then I tried to clone the good show onto this tape using the identical
procedures as the in the first try (i.e. coaxial in on the sony) and it
worked!
Even if the erased show was scms-protected, it should have allowed
itself to be overwritten (if not copied), right? Real weird. Any ideas
on this?
Thanks, folks!
scott
From: Barabbas <mwilliams@preftech.com>
Subject: mics? core/sonic/marcsound?
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:18:31 -0800
I am looking for small mics that one can wear.
I was wondering which is the best mic?
1.Core
2.Core Stealth
3.Sonic (they have 3 versions)
4.marcsSound
If any one could list the pros and cons on any of the above or knows of
a simular mic system that is better, I would be grateful.
thanks
barabbas
From: "Daniel E. Estrin" <74663.1361@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Beyer sold
Date: 26 Feb 97 19:27:43 EST
Like the subject says, the Beyer MV100 I advertised for sale the other day has
been sold. Thanks for all of your inquiries and the BW!
Shalom,
Daniel Estrin
From: Tim McGinnis <tim@vestek.com>
Subject: Morphine @ Double Door
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:40:10 -0800
>From: Chris Feldott <C_FELDOTT@ppc1904.com>
>Subject: Morphine @ Double Door (Chicago) 2/28---Taping policy?
>Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:25:06 -0500
>
>I'm lucky enough to have a ticket to this show, but I'd really like to have a
>tape of it. Does Morphine allow taping? Is there anyone I need to talk to
>in advance of the show? I've stealthed Morphine several times in the
>past, but I'd really like to dance this time and throw up a stand if possible.
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated....E-mail me privately with any
>responses.
>Any other Morphine tapers out there? Looking for recent tours, and
>always looking for SBD's.
>
>Thanks!!
>
>Peace,
> Chris
morphine has their own soundman (i can't think of his name right now).
talk to him. you'll have a better shot at a board if you wear a
Continental Club t-shirt.
tim
From: daniel kessler <danielk@kaizen.net>
Subject: re:defeating scms
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 19:46:15 -0500 (EST)
>If I go from a d7 to a 3700 throught the AES/EBU input on the 3700, with a
>tape that has scms and set the dip switches acordingly can will it then
>set the scms according to preset dip switch configuration, or will it just
>pass the info on like if i go into the IEC inputs?
According to the manual, it will set the scms to whatever you like if you
go through the AES/EBU, since that's the professional IN.
>Does core sound make a
>7pin to AES/EBU cable that will work with the 3700? They make one for the
>d-5 right?
Nobody makes a cable that does this, that I can find. There IS one for the
d-5, but Len tells me that it won't work for the 3800. I don't know why;
it wasn't explained. I assume that it has something to do with one of the
machines not being EXACTLY standard on it's input format.
daniel
============================================
Sometimes you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you
look at it right.
From: daniel kessler <danielk@kaizen.net>
Subject: Tape begging
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 19:48:25 -0500 (EST)
Did anyone get the Counting Crowes from the Patriot Center last night? If
so, I'd like to have a copy. please email me for a trade.
daniel
============================================
Sometimes you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you
look at it right.
From: Mike Lieman <mikelieman@albany.net>
Subject: Re: Shure SM-81
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:12:22 -0500
On Tue, 25 Feb 97, kelly kay <kay@actif.larc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>I'm looking into getting another set of mics, the Shure SM-81's
>in particular. Does anyone here have any experience with using
>these in clubs at high SPL's.
Yes.
>I am particularly worried about
>sibalence (sp?) I have been told many times that these have a
>great frequency response, and great off axis response, but no
>one I've talked to has used these at high SPL.
I've never had a problem with them, they have a -10dB pad on the mic's
body, and I usually leave it on. *MOST* people will not even consider the
'81, because it's not from europe! Pick up the Neville Bros Disk "Live
>From Planet Earth" They use '81's for overheads on the drum kit.
peace
Mike
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From: Bill Shaw <bshaw@skyway.com>
Subject: ISO: 3-18-88 my first DEAD show
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:49:42 -0800
OK so I have the old analog auds and sbds, but both are hi-gen lo-qual
tapes and I'd love to find a nice digital copy of this mediocre Dead show.
HJ Kaiser Oakland CA 3-18-88 Grateful Dead, my first Dead show (not including
all the ones my parents took me to before I was old enough to understand).
Anyway - anybody got this show on DAT, aud or sbd?? I've got a DSBD of 3-17-88,
so it seems 3-18-88 is out there, like the truth on x-files right?
Thanks and Peace to all Tapers,
-Bill Shaw
bshaw@skyway.com
From: "Adam Gross" <AgSTEALTH@msn.com>
Subject: CD making
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 01:25:55 UT
I generally do not follow the posts on CD. However, a computer literate
friend recently sent me the following message:
So tell me what software I need to download DAT onto audio CD's in "red
book" format necessary to make a CD. Then we could have some fun with your
DAT tapes.
Any help to respond to her would be greatly appreciated, as I have no idea
what she is talking about! I do know that she has a DAT backup in her
computer. Is there any way to use this to input audio signal and end up w/ an
audio CD. What if my tapes are recorded at 44.8? What questions do I need to
ask her? Please advise. Many thanks in advance....................
From: "Joe McCabe, Energy Ideas" <energyi@nicom.com>
Subject: Wharf Rats
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:17:06 -0500
Strange as this might sound, I've done a compilation of 13 different Wharf
Rats onto one 90 Meter DAT.
But there is one missing! IN Dupree's Diamond news issue number 29, Bruce
hornsby mentiones a 3/18/93 Capitol Centre show that he played accordian.
"Man, that was a great night. Playing Wharf Rat, getting chills. Wharf kRat
is one of my true favorite songs."
So, does anyone have a kind 3/18/93 they'd be interested in trading?
Also, let me know if your interested in the 90 Meter Wharf Rats: 12-31-87 VHS
10-20-74 SBD > Reel>PCM>DAT
07-08-78 SBD>PCM>Annalog>DAT
02-27-81 SBD
07-02-71 Greatful Dead CD
12-31-86 DFM
07-18-76 ??
05-25-74 SBD
09-21-91 S:D
05-22-77 Dicks Picks Vol. 3
06-30-88 FOB>PCM>DAT Aud.
10-14-80 Bootleg CD
12-31-78 DFM?
JoE
MLGY
Joseph McCabe, P.E.
Energy Ideas, Owner
energyi@nicom.com
(301)530-1473 Phone & Fax
5411 Lincoln St. Bethesda, MD 20817
From: willard robinson <willr@star.net>
Subject: D-5 and Otari DTR-8
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:25:06 -0500
A couple of comments on both decks since I have both decks. I would give
the nod to the Otari - better UI - better inputs and outputs (but no optical),
better 'construction' and overall feel. The number one most annoying thing
about the fostex is that the eject button is small and right over rewind
(or is it stop). Anyway the Otari has a 'pro' feel vs the fostex's consumer.
On a related question - can you use the error counter during the record phase?
(on either?)
Also - I just got a very good ministry show from germany '96 if people
want to trade.
Finally anyone know anything about a Steely Dan Monasis '96 soundboard.
tc
Will
my car's alarm was going off last nite when I got to it - unlabled KOA? -
you be the judge.....
Dat page: www.star.net/People/~willr/dat-l.txt
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: D-5 and Otari DTR-8
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:37:08 -0500 (EST)
>On a related question - can you use the error counter during the record phase?
No, you'd need a 4-head deck for that.
Seth
From: Haney Jones <maf00718@acan.net>
Subject: Audio Grade Tapes
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 19:44:36 -0600 (CST)
With talk in every digest of how 'bad' KAOs are, I would love to hear
about some tapes which have a better track record. I have been told that
Audio grade tapes are more reliable. Is this true?? Where can I buy
some tapes like this for a reasonable price?? Please email or post
publically!!
Haney Jones
maf00718@acan.net
From: MuTToN <mutton@sysnet.net>
Subject: ATT: Allan Holdswrth fans
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:27:06 -0500
He is touring:
Allan Holdsworth Tour Itinerary:
FEB 25 HOLLYWOOD, CA CATALINA BAR & GRILL
FEB 26 HOLLYWOOD, CA CATALINA BAR & GRILL
FEB 27 HOLLYWOOD, CA CATALINA BAR & GRILL
FEB 28 HOLLYWOOD, CA CATALINA BAR & GRILL
MARCH 01 HOLLYWOOD, CA CATALINA BAR & GRILL
MARCH 02 HOLLYWOOD, CA CATALINA BAR & GRILL
MARCH 07 IVREA (Italy) TEATRO LA SERRA (IVREA JAZZ FEST.)
MARCH 08 PARIS (France) NEW MORNING CLUB
MARCH 10 AMSTERDAM (Holland) MELKWEG CLUB
MARCH 11 GRONINGEN (Holland) DE OSTERPOORT
MARCH 12 APELDOORN (Holland) GIGANT CLUB
MARCH 13 DE HAAG (Holland) PAARD CLUB
MARCH 14 BERGEN (Norway) SARDINEN USF
MARCH 15 STOCKHOLM (Sweden) FASCHING CLUB
MARCH 16 GOTEBORG (Sweden) NEFERTITI CLUB
MARCH 17 PRAGUE (Cek.Rep.) LUCERNA MUSIC HALL
MARCH 18 INGOLSTADT (Germany) BURGETREFF CLUB
MARCH 19 MUNICH (Germany) BAYERISCHER HOF CLUB
MARCH 21 BASTIA (Italy) TEATRO ESPERIA (METRONOME FEST.)
MARCH 22 MAGIONE (Italy) TEATRO COMUNALE (METRONOME FEST.)
MARCH 23 MILANO (Italy) CAPOLINEA CLUB
MARCH 24 ROMA (Italy) BIG MAMA CLUB
MARCH 25 ROMA (Italy) BIG MAMA CLUB
MARCH 27 P.S.GIORGIO(Italy) TEATRO COMUNALE
MARCH 29 RAVENNA (Italy) TEATRO RASI (MISTER JAZZ FESTIVAL)
Get in touch,
Crash
From: Dean Lipoff <deano@nicom.com>
Subject: Scared to buy blanks!
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:30:56 -0500 (EST)
Hello All,
Quick newbie question for you. Before all this went down with the
unlabeled KAO's, I bought a few batches. I have used them for trading and
have had only one problem with one of the tapes. I sent it back to get
respun and now it's fine. I own one D7, so I don't have the ability to see
the error rates.?
My question. Can these unlabeled KAO tapes that are apparently
clean to the ear have long term problems due to error rates that I can not
see with my deck or would these error rates be audible from the start?
Thanks
Dean
From: Tom Ott <otter@nauticom.net>
Subject: DA-P1 Mic overload?
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:42:03 -0500
Hey everyone;
Can anyone describe what mic overload sounds like on the DA-P1?
Is there any way of knowing you are overloading the pre-amp by watching
the meter?
I had 30dB of pad, Sen short shotguns, dial at about 1.75, and the
margin never exceeded 5dB. I know that these aren't the ideal mikes for
a small club & loud band, but if you never cross the line, how do you
know where it is?
Otter
Will SCMS be applied to sheep cloning too?
From: Bayard <walden@universe.digex.net>
Subject: venue table?
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:11:27 -0500 (EST)
hi,
I'm throwing together a little database and was wondering if anyone had a
data table of venues-- you know, club/city/st/country or whatever-- they'd
be willing to send me. it would save me a bit of carpal wear. many tia.
From: Haney Jones <maf00718@acan.net>
Subject: Announcing the 2/21/97 Joe Gallant & Illuminati Digital Tree
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 23:11:45 -0600 (CST)
***ANOUNCEMENT***HEY PEOPLE***ANNOUNCEMENT***HEY PEOPLE***ANNOUNCEMENT***
Announcing the
2/21/97
Joe Gallant & Illuminati
Cat's Cradle, Carrboro, NC
Digital Tree
==========================================================================
This tree is for the Joe Gallant & Illuminati show at Cat's Cradle in
Carrboro, NC on 2/21/97. The seed comes from the Soundboard Monitor Mix
-> a DA-P1. Robbie Dunn is graciously providing the seed for us.
Sign-ups will be taken at <maf00718@acan.net>
Please make your SUBJECT LINE one of the following:
Illuminati D>D - If you are willing to make 3 Digital copies from DAT
for others.
Illuminati DL - If you can not or will not make Digital copies for
others.
==========================================================================
This is a DAT only tree. All leaves are encouraged to spread the
tapes (both DAT & Analog) through offers in all corners of the internet.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT LEAF SIGNUPS ARE NO GUARENTEED!! IF YOU SIGN UP
AS A LEAF YOU MAY BE LEFT OFF THE TREE. I am setting this tree up in the
following manner to make it more efficient. Each D>D person is required to
make 3 sets of digital copies. I am setting this limit for efficiency
reasons. In my opinion, trees can whither and die if people have too
many copies to run; that why I'm setting the number of copies you can
spin to three for D>D people - thats usually a manageble number. It is
important that everyone treat their tree responsibilities as priority if
this is going to be sucessful. If you don't think that you get your
copies made quickly, PLEASE don't sign up for this tree!!
Please cut and paste the following into your message:
%%%%%%%CUT%%%%%%%CUT%%%%%%%CUT%%%%%%%CUT%%%%%%%CUT%%%%%%%CUT%%%%%%%CUT%%%%%%%
Name:
Email address:
City/State:
2x60m or 1x90m??
Comments:
Position you desire:
Are you willing to trade with your parent???
If signing up as a D>D branch, please fill in the following:
Are you willing to make 3 sets of copies?:
Briefly describe your equipment:
Can you defeat SCMS??
Do you want to trade with your children??
%%%%%%%CUT%%%%%%%CUT%%%%%%%CUT%%%%%%%CUT%%%%%%%CUT%%%%%%%CUT%%%%%%%CUT%%%%%%%
The Setlist is as follows.
Set 1: Mississippi Half Step > Franklin's Tower, Long Distance Runaround
> The Fish, Hard to Handle, Band Introductions, Crazy Fingers >
Vista > She's So Heavy, The Ocean
Set 2: Uschi > Help on the Way > Slipknot, West L.A. Fadeaway, Birdsong
> Corrina > Space > Birdsong, Unbroken Chain, Iko Iko > Women are
Smarter
Signups for this tree will be accepted from now until noon CST on Tuesday
March 4th.
This tree will require 2 60m tapes or 1 90m tape.
<maf00718@acan.net> with the subject of Illuminati Q/C.
I will post the structure on DAT-Heads shortly after the signups
have been closed.
Haney
From: Barabbas <mwilliams@preftech.com>
Subject: Directional Stealth Mics?
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:45:48 -0800
Is there any such thing as a directional stealth mic?
Like a Core Sound mic that is directional?
I still have not bought a pair of mics and I am interested in something
small and stealthy.
all comments welcomed...
thanks
barabbas
From: Barabbas <mwilliams@preftech.com>
Subject: DAT-Heads news group...
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:50:48 -0800
I found a newsgroup that no one seems to post too.
I desided to post to it. It looks like a great newsgroup for trading DAT
shows.
alt.music.trading.dat
I was checking out the alt.music.bootlegs newsgroup, but they are into
buying and selling bootlegs and that's just not my scene. I think this
unused newsgroup would be a great place to list dat shows and trades.
Let me know what you think...start a thread and watch it grow....
barabbas
From: Barabbas <mwilliams@preftech.com>
Subject: Newbie needs tapes...
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:53:38 -0800
I am looking for:
Meters
funky Meters
JGB 80's and 90's shows
George Porter Jr.
Paco Delucia
Allman Bro (any accoustic show)
Grant Green
I am a newbie and would entertain 2:1 for any of the above.
I will have for trade the following:
Zigaboo Modeliste & Leo Nocentelli @ The Last Day
funky Meters @ The Filmore
Bruce Foreman @ Miss Pearl's Jam House
my list is small, but I am just starting out. I am having so much fun
recording my own shows.
I will be at JazzFest in NO this year, so I plan on having alot of stuff
from that!
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